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Old 10-13-2015, 11:27 AM
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:33 AM
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Joneill44
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:49 PM
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:52 PM
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370 hp
343 lb/ft
25 lb/ft more on overboost function


78 pounds lighter than the M235i.
Old 10-13-2015, 12:53 PM
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But is it faster than an RLX...?



(without upgraded tyres, because that'd be overkill)...
Old 10-13-2015, 12:55 PM
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Of course it isn't, duh!


Nothing is faster than RLX, especially the RLX-h, best car in the wooooooooorld!
Old 10-13-2015, 01:21 PM
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If M2 really starts at 51k. I think i just got the wrong car. Shit.
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Knowing BMW a start price means no a/c, roll up windows, cardboard seats, AM/FM only, and halogen headlights
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 2012wagon
Bmw M2 starting price $51,000

About $12,000 cheaper than M3
You're sh1tting me right? That's insanely cheap for a M car.

Just wait for the options list though...

FWIW, this car is about the same price...

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Old 10-13-2015, 01:34 PM
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Isn't the retail price on a 435i in the low 50's??
Old 10-13-2015, 01:36 PM
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I like the look of the 2 series.. but in reality, it's a clown car.
I have a coworker who has a 235i.. it's really tiny.
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I'd rather have a chipped 435i..
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435 starts at 48k
Old 10-13-2015, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
You're sh1tting me right? That's insanely cheap for a M car.

Just wait for the options list though...

FWIW, this car is about the same price...

Yup
Same as Porsches, options list is murder

M4 starts at 64k, but unless you order a stripped car, all at my local dealer is 78-90k

BMW M2 priced at £44,070 in UK, limited to 500 units
Old 10-13-2015, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Joneill44
Knowing BMW a start price means no a/c, roll up windows, cardboard seats, AM/FM only, and halogen headlights
then You will be shocked what comes standard on a M3/M4.
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Isn't the retail price on a 435i in the low 50's??
mine is 60k and it is not even fully loaded.
Old 10-13-2015, 03:53 PM
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assuming M2 follows the same standard equipment structure with the M3/M4.

Base MSRP $51000
standard option list:
M Sport or Equivalent
Standard M brake
N55 Tune
Standard Navi
Leather?
M suspension
Standard HK Sound
Not sure about LED (since 340 comes with standard LED now)

Not a better deal if those come standard at 51k considering a M235i is really not any cheaper.
Old 10-13-2015, 04:00 PM
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^^
Don't forget that dealers will be asking a crap ton for the M2. So most likely will be trading in the 65K range I imagine


Additionally there are lots of people who are "investors" and saw what the 1M market did and will be hoarding cars


2 Addicts forum has great info if you are looking to order


http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1183425
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M2 on track now. Official reveal. Long Beach blue looks great
Old 10-13-2015, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 2012wagon
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Don't forget that dealers will be asking a crap ton for the M2. So most likely will be trading in the 65K range I imagine


Additionally there are lots of people who are "investors" and saw what the 1M market did and will be hoarding cars


2 Addicts forum has great info if you are looking to order


BMW M2 price (Base MSRP) confirmed - $51,000
There are quite a few dealers here that will sell them at MSRP. Some BMW dealers have the "No Mark up" policy.
So in this case, no discount is actually considered a "good deal"

But yah the M2 will hold its value very well with only 500 produced.
Old 10-13-2015, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
But yah the M2 will hold its value very well with only 500 produced.
500 produced for UK market


Most people are saying for US/NA market, there will be 30 month of production at about 60+ cars a month
Old 10-13-2015, 06:25 PM
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Official M2 pics available here: BMW M2 Coupe (2016)
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Oh well Let's hope M2 is not a one time deal like the 1M.

For those who have not driven the M235i... it is really that good. Better than any 3/4 series in terms of driving.

I can't imagine how good it will be with more power, M tuned and lighter. But i still think it is not a good looking car. Not ugly but not good looking either, especially the rear.
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About the 2016 Accord.
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Agree with you. Front looks great. Side is ok. Rear something about the tails that seem off.
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Originally Posted by 2012wagon
Agree with you. Front looks great. Side is ok. Rear something about the tails that seem off.
I am so tempted to go and get a Sport in White Orchard Pearl...


Wait didn't you just get rid of your 2013 in the same color?


Yes, 2016 looks good....
Old 10-13-2015, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Oh well Let's hope M2 is not a one time deal like the 1M.

For those who have not driven the M235i... it is really that good. Better than any 3/4 series in terms of driving.

I can't imagine how good it will be with more power, M tuned and lighter. But i still think it is not a good looking car. Not ugly but not good looking either, especially the rear.
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Agree with you. Front looks great. Side is ok. Rear something about the tails that seem off.
The M2 version looks better from the rear (with that more aggressive rear fascia) than the 228i and the M235i. But, it's certainly not the best of the models.
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Originally Posted by Flipster23
I am so tempted to go and get a Sport in White Orchard Pearl...


Wait didn't you just get rid of your 2013 in the same color?


Yes, 2016 looks good....
My 2013 that I got rid of was Starfire White Pearl


If I got a 2016 Sport, it would be Milano Red. Too bad Sport manual now offers more than 2 colors, but EX manual doesn't.
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Originally Posted by 2012wagon
My 2013 that I got rid of was Starfire White Pearl


If I got a 2016 Sport, it would be Milano Red. Too bad Sport manual now offers more than 2 colors, but EX manual doesn't.

Yup Milano red is new for the 2016. Which I think it awesome, but I still wouldn't buy red.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
The M2 version looks better from the rear (with that more aggressive rear fascia) than the 228i and the M235i. But, it's certainly not the best of the models.
it is the taillights. something is off, it looks "dumb" if that even make sense.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
it is the taillights. something is off, it looks "dumb" if that even make sense.
Yeah...they are the wrong shape and a little too small. On the 228i and M235i the rear bumper and decklid are so very bland, which doesn't help.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Yeah...they are the wrong shape and a little too small. On the 228i and M235i the rear bumper and decklid are so very bland, which doesn't help.
But...is it slow enough for you?
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
But...is it slow enough for you?
No...can't buy it. Too fast.

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Originally Posted by ttribe
No...can't buy it. Too fast.

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Why did the 3 switch the 340 but the 4 hasn't switched yet? Are they are on different release cycles?
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Why did the 3 switch the 340 but the 4 hasn't switched yet? Are they are on different release cycles?
You will see the 440 next year with the face lift
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Why did the 3 switch the 340 but the 4 hasn't switched yet? Are they are on different release cycles?
Yah 4 series is too "new" for LCI. But 2016 435i will still receive a lot of the LCI updates (Standard HK Audio, interior updates, comfort access standard, Sport trim standard and more) from the 340 except the LED tails and the new engine.

328/428 did not get the new engine either.

Next year it will be 330/430 with the new 4 cylinders. , 340/440 LCI with the new 6 cylinders. (340 is getting it now)

I think 2 and 5 series will get in there somewhere in between. 230, M240, 530, 540.

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