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Not me personally but friend of friend had a 5-6/yo Grand Cherokee and said it was a total POS.
Reading reviews and looking at reliability....looks like Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep is consistently on lower end and lots of problems.
I see lots of newer jeeps on road...but not nearly as much older jeeps....subjective sign of reliability...
5-6 y/o GC would have put it firmly in the Cerberus era for Chrysler. They have improved DRASTICALLY since then. Just go sit in a new GC and you can feel the difference.
You see a lot of new Jeeps on the road not because of reliability but because they are selling like hotcakes due to the enormous value for money you get with one. Jeep sales are single handedly carrying FCA right now.
FWIW, I have nearly 10k on my Jeep and it has never had an issue. Hope to have many more miles. And for some peace of mind, Chrysler will sell you a lifetime unlimited mile bumper to bumper warranty for ~$2300 for my TH.
My buddy hooked me up with a 16 Grand Cherokee Limited 4x4 with the luxury package for the weekend. It only had nine miles when I got it. The start/stop was annoying, but it can be turned off. But I loved it. Everyone that rode in it loved it. And it did great in the snow. I kinda want to go see how the 3.0 Eco Diesel drives.
My buddy hooked me up with a 16 Grand Cherokee Limited 4x4 with the luxury package for the weekend. It only had nine miles when I got it. The start/stop was annoying, but it can be turned off. But I loved it. Everyone that rode in it loved it. And it did great in the snow. I kinda want to go see how the 3.0 Eco Diesel drives.
The diesel drives similarly but has a ton of turbo lag. On the highway that's fine but in the city it's kind of annoying. Upside is a lot better fuel economy. Downside is quite a bit higher cost and you can't get the lifetime warranty.
I wanted the GC but in retrospect, I'm glad I went the way I did. Having the trailhawk allows me to actually off road the thing without much worrying. The GC is quite a bit larger and more expensive to the point that I'd keep it on the road or very minor trails. I bought a Jeep to Jeep it and so far so good.
I wouldn't take the GC Limited real off roading just because it doesn't have the right stuff to do that unless you get the off road 2 package. If you want that, you basically have to factory order it that way since most dealerships don't stock those.
Have you looked into the Wrangler yet or are you wanting a more road friendly machine? What are your criteria? The normal Cherokee might be good enough for you and the Trailhawk version is rather capable off road.
it's nice to see you guys LIKING your jeep. All my experiences with them have been shitty because the rental company always gives me the crap of the crap line and base model Jeeps...
Patriots, Compass... I got a Wrangler once and it was a little nicer but damn the other ones
^Thanks for the insider info Sam. Good to always hear from actual owners and you're right on the ownership/management changes..makes sense! Their new styling is interesting...not my specific cup of tea but hey if it works it works!
I do dream about getting a Wrangler and pull it behind a RV for some awesome cross-USA road trips. (with mtn bike/hiking/climbing gear on the jeep).
So definitely a wrangler may be in my future though need to LOT more research and learn about 4x4x, awd, hi-lo gearing, all the diff edittions/mods of wranglers, etc.
it's nice to see you guys LIKING your jeep. All my experiences with them have been shitty because the rental company always gives me the crap of the crap line and base model Jeeps...
Patriots, Compass... I got a Wrangler once and it was a little nicer but damn the other ones
If you ever somehow find your way flying into Fresno, let me know, and I'll have my buddy hook you up.
it's nice to see you guys LIKING your jeep. All my experiences with them have been shitty because the rental company always gives me the crap of the crap line and base model Jeeps...
Patriots, Compass... I got a Wrangler once and it was a little nicer but damn the other ones
Mine is most definitely not a base model. You can check out my thread for more pics and videos of me using to actually do Jeep stuff rather than mall crawling.
Originally Posted by nist7
^Thanks for the insider info Sam. Good to always hear from actual owners and you're right on the ownership/management changes..makes sense! Their new styling is interesting...not my specific cup of tea but hey if it works it works!
I do dream about getting a Wrangler and pull it behind a RV for some awesome cross-USA road trips. (with mtn bike/hiking/climbing gear on the jeep).
So definitely a wrangler may be in my future though need to LOT more research and learn about 4x4x, awd, hi-lo gearing, all the diff edittions/mods of wranglers, etc.
Any questions, let me know. A Wrangler is likely in my future but I'm going to hold out for the next gen that comes out in 2017/2018 which will hopefully have that 3L diesel under the hood.
Mine is most definitely not a base model. You can check out my thread for more pics and videos of me using to actually do Jeep stuff rather than mall crawling.
Any questions, let me know. A Wrangler is likely in my future but I'm going to hold out for the next gen that comes out in 2017/2018 which will hopefully have that 3L diesel under the hood.
lol, mall crawling I like that. Most jeeps probably used that way....
So I don't think I'll be doing any heavy duty off-roading, river fording or rock wall crawling....but after some research it looks like the current gen wranglers has been there since like 06...and new one as you said coming out in 17/18.
I think for me I'll be looking at basics....we love camping and hiking and so to get to some of the more remote sites/trailheads there has been recommendations for more off-roading capable vehicles...so something that is "basic" but still very capable and not too much electronic/fluffy stuff inside.
Looks like Rubicon is a good place to start? Looks like it has locking front and rear diff with the better rear axle.
Also what would be different motors to consider? Mostly I see gas V6s...but appears Europeans get a small diesel..but you mentioned upcoming 3L diesel for US market...which I assume would be better for reliability/torque?
Interior wise only requirement is heat and a/c and basic radio...otherwise manual windows and locks are fine (and probably preferred imo). Other nifty additions i"ll have to look into as well (tires, light bars, winch, etc.)
As I said, I may need to start reading up on jeep forums and whatnot.
lol, mall crawling I like that. Most jeeps probably used that way....
So I don't think I'll be doing any heavy duty off-roading, river fording or rock wall crawling....but after some research it looks like the current gen wranglers has been there since like 06...and new one as you said coming out in 17/18.
I think for me I'll be looking at basics....we love camping and hiking and so to get to some of the more remote sites/trailheads there has been recommendations for more off-roading capable vehicles...so something that is "basic" but still very capable and not too much electronic/fluffy stuff inside.
Looks like Rubicon is a good place to start? Looks like it has locking front and rear diff with the better rear axle.
Also what would be different motors to consider? Mostly I see gas V6s...but appears Europeans get a small diesel..but you mentioned upcoming 3L diesel for US market...which I assume would be better for reliability/torque?
Interior wise only requirement is heat and a/c and basic radio...otherwise manual windows and locks are fine (and probably preferred imo). Other nifty additions i"ll have to look into as well (tires, light bars, winch, etc.)
As I said, I may need to start reading up on jeep forums and whatnot.
lol no. Don't bother with a Rubi unless you want to do the stuff you said you weren't going to do. If the base requirement is that you can tow it behind an RV then any Jeep with a neutral shift transfer case will do just fine. If you have zero desire to do anything off road then I'd get an AD2 Cherokee or a FD2 Patriot or something like that. If you want to do mild off roading then I'd look into the Wrangler Sport. You probably don't need lockers and disconnecting sway bars to reach campsites and trail heads. And if you do, all that stuff can be added aftermarket no problem.
The JK Wrangler has been on the market since 06 but you want a 2012 or newer since that's when they switched to the 3.6L chrysler motor that makes it quite a lot better to drive. For right now, that's the only option for the US market. I'd want the diesel for the torque, it helps quite a lot off road. Also, the turbo helps in high altitude environments.
If modding is your thing then get a Wrangler Sport and have at it. It's pretty much a blank canvas to turn it into anything you want provided your wallet can support it.
Seems like the Jeep GC doesn't lease well..just based off what I've seen similarly priced cars go for. The local dealer wouldn't tell me the residual on them either.
It would be nice if the Toyota site included a lease calculator unless I missed it. The guy that I talked to at SLO Toyota was a moron.. He didn't know a thing, and claimed that the new Tacoma is a 4.9L engine and the one they had was "special ordered." I told him to look at the window sticker, but he claimed it was wrong, as they couldn't disclose the extras. Then he went on to say that the FJ and 4Runners were pieces of shit.
It's priced to stay above the rest of the GS line-up.
You're not buying a brand new M5 for under a $100-105,000 b/c they're all equipped with the Executive & Driver Assistance Packages ($7,000) & likely have some sort of additional cost interior choice.
It is not priced as a M5 fighter because you're not getting a M5 for the price of a GS-F. They won't do it. Every brand new M5 for sale in Dallas right now is asking $120,000.
If anybody looking for RCF, they can be had for $15K off MSRP.
Looks like GS-F are only 5K off MSRP for now, but with the glut of over production, you will see huge trunk cash on these too, to move them
Not surprised and I still wouldn't buy one at those prices. As an actual sporty Lexus and performance wise the IS-F was better in every way than both these cars. The RCF and GSF are just way to heavy and don't handle near as well. Lexus made a step backwards in my opinion with both cars if they really wanted to compete with the Germans.
It's priced to stay above the rest of the GS line-up.
You're not buying a brand new M5 for under a $100-105,000 b/c they're all equipped with the Executive & Driver Assistance Packages ($7,000) & likely have some sort of additional cost interior choice.
It is not priced as a M5 fighter because you're not getting a M5 for the price of a GS-F. They won't do it. Every brand new M5 for sale in Dallas right now is asking $120,000.
I know a few people who have bought new M5's and a B6 Alpina. They all ordered them from the factory the way they wanted and without all those stupid option packages that dealers always stack on to stock models.
So, is it possible to get a M5 for close to GS-F money? Yup, and a lot of people do it.
I know a few people who have bought new M5's and a B6 Alpina. They all ordered them from the factory the way they wanted and without all those stupid option packages that dealers always stack on to stock models.
So, is it possible to get a M5 for close to GS-F money? Yup, and a lot of people do it.
Yup there are 180 GSF in a 200 mile radius from me. Lease rates are $900. Ridiculous.
But in 5-7 years, I see the GS-F resale holding very very strong. Just like the IS-F
I know a few people who have bought new M5's and a B6 Alpina. They all ordered them from the factory the way they wanted and without all those stupid option packages that dealers always stack on to stock models.
So, is it possible to get a M5 for close to GS-F money? Yup, and a lot of people do it.
Define what is close. I'll bet they all still paid 6 figures or ended up with a M5 that won't hold any value because it doesn't have the Executive Package. (Same as a special order RCF without the premium package/no Nav)
Bottom line, the GS-F is not priced against the M5; they're not competitors. As someone said above, a loaded 550i is what it competes with on the market.
Define what is close. I'll bet they all still paid 6 figures or ended up with a M5 that won't hold any value because it doesn't have the Executive Package. (Same as a special order RCF without the premium package/no Nav)
Bottom line, the GS-F is not priced against the M5; they're not competitors. As someone said above, a loaded 550i is what it competes with on the market.
They are all leased so they don't care a ton about resale value.
Not sure can get a M5 for less than $100k anymore from an MSRP standpoint, I don't know what they actually sell for though.
Define what is close. I'll bet they all still paid 6 figures or ended up with a M5 that won't hold any value because it doesn't have the Executive Package. (Same as a special order RCF without the premium package/no Nav)
Bottom line, the GS-F is not priced against the M5; they're not competitors. As someone said above, a loaded 550i is what it competes with on the market.
Yup that is what I said initially. GS-F is a 550 competitor. Whether buyers or magazines think it is a M5 fighter or not, is irrelevant, and the market is baring that out....
Lexus will put serious cash in the trunk to sell them later this year...
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