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Old 07-02-2012, 06:53 PM
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Bring it to the U.S.!!!!!!!! http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...NEWS/120709988

Old 07-02-2012, 06:56 PM
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+1 i wish Ford brought that over. i like those
Old 07-02-2012, 07:01 PM
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OH MY GOD I WANT A FALCON SO BAD.

Im just confused as to why the supercharged 5l in it (which is similar to our GT) only makes 30hp more. Why the extra weight when a different cam grind could accomplish the same thing?
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http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/02/autos/Ford-GT/index.htm

Ford GT: America's investment-grade car

By Peter Valdes-Dapena @PeterDrivesJuly 2, 2012: 6:25 AM ET

This Ford GT will be sold by RM Auctions on July 28, It's expected to go for at least $175,000. Ford GT's have never been worth less than their original sticker prices.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Most six-year-old cars are worth about a third of their original sticker price, and even most high-performance exotic cars lose substantial value over that amount of time.

But one carmaker created an automobile that broke all the normal rules and that is -- six years after its introduction -- actually worth more than its original price. And it wasn't any fancy European ultra-luxury brand, either. It was Ford Motor Co. (F, Fortune 500)

In fact, the Ford GT -- a 550-horsepower mid-engine sports car -- has never been worth less than the $150,000 Ford originally asked for it during the two years it was in production, according to data from Hagerty Insurance, a company that specializes in insuring collectible cars.

"It is probably the only American car that has done so," said Don Rose, a car specialist with automotive auction house RM Auctions.

Unveiled as a concept car in 2002, the Ford GT was produced for only the 2005 and 2006 model years. In all, only about 4,000 were made.

But not every Ford GT owner has made out, however.
Gallery: 10 future collectibles

When typically equipped, many of the earliest Ford GT's were sold for as much $250,000 as Ford dealers reaped huge profits on them. By 2006, the second and last year of its production, the cars were selling for roughly sticker price.

"It just goes to show you, the guys who have to be first on the block with the hot new car really lose out," said Jeannine Fallon, a spokeswoman for the auto pricing Web site Edmunds.com. "In this case, the people who waited and bought later got an amazing deal."

Ford (F, Fortune 500) GT auction values reached their peak shortly after the car went out of production, reaching about $175,000, according to Hagerty. Things have settled down since, but the cars are still going for, on average, about $165,000.

A truly unique American car: The GT is was designed as an homage to the Ford GT40 racecar of the 1960s. That car, designed with the help of performance car legend Carroll Shelby, was created specifically to beat Ferrari in the LeMans endurance race, which it did, winning the 24 hour race in France 4 times from 1966 to 1969 and the World Sports Car Championships in 1966 and '67.

Original Ford GT40 racecars, today, can be worth $1 million to $2 million.

Compared to that or, for that matter, to most similarly capable performance cars, the modern Ford GT remains a relative bargain.

The GT's low starting price is part of what helps it hold its value so well. It has simply never cost as much as its appearance and capabilities would suggest. That also makes it different from most cars with similar power.

"There are very few modern supercars that have increased in value since they were built," sad McKeel Hagerty, president of Hagerty Insurance.

Any other examples -- various Ferraris or the McLaren F1, for instance -- are far more expensive cars that were produced in smaller batches.

"For a car they made 4,000 of and not 300, it's held its value very well," said Craig Jackson, head of the auto auction house Barrett-Jackson.

It's not like buying stocks: Most people don't buy cars like this as an investment. They buy the car because they want the car, which is just what collector car experts advise.

Karl Brauer, who runs the Web site TotalCarScore.com, still owns the Ford GT he bought shortly after the car went into production. He drives it regularly.

"Even if it dropped like a stone in value, I wanted it because of what it represents," he said.

Bauer is an aficionado of high-powered American cars. Besides the GT, his small collection includes a 1970 Plymouth GTX and a 1974 Pontiac Trans Am Super Duty.

Part of the GT's drawing power as a collectible is that it appeals to both muscle car fans like Bauer and to those who favor European-style exotics, said Rose.

"It has the Detroit muscle on the one side and the sports car heritage on the other," he said.

Jackson of Barrett-Jackson owns a black Ford GT that he bought from the factory. He keeps it in his garage next to a $1 million Bugatti Veryon.

"Europe's best and America's best," he said. "I think they compliment each other nicely."

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My stepbrother in-law has a Commodore SS. Them Aussies love their V8 sedans.

I'm sure the Falcon is underrated or detuned for safety/warranty purposes a la VW/Audi 2.0 TFSI.
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Originally Posted by Costco
My stepbrother in-law has a Commodore SS. Them Aussies love their V8 sedans.

I'm sure the Falcon is underrated or detuned for safety/warranty purposes a la VW/Audi 2.0 TFSI.
I don't think stepbrother in law is a thing
Old 07-02-2012, 09:23 PM
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if they could find another 100hp out of it it would be a sweet CTS-V rival.
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so me and a couple friends went to test drive cars today and well here's the rundown.

Went to scion first. They had one red frs with chrome wheels wouldnt let us drive it cause it was the only one they had and didnt wanna rake up the miles. But I got to sit in it and check it all out. I really dig the interior. The seats are amazingly comfortable and snug me perfectly. I like the interior it doesnt have that cheap feeling i thought it would have when seeing the press photos (although morgans pics showed it actually being better quality) Seating was perfect not much else i can say, ohh and you have to buy this car as a two seater lol I didnt even wanna try it back there. As soon as we were leaving a truck with three more came in haha. One was blue and i think that would be my choice of color.

Next up was the Golf R and the dude straight up said no to test drive but we were able to talk him into driving the gti so i gotta drive that. Honestly when i was gonna test drive the car i expected it to be city driving (puente hills vw btw) with traffic and maybe i'd get a couple chances to floor it. Guy told me he would take me to their track like area. Turns out its a road that connects a whole bunch of warehouses that trucks go too. He had me stop keep it in drive and floor it Did so to about 60-70mph didnt wanna take it much higher since the speed limit was 35mph... Then we made a u-turn i did it in sport and WOW what a difference, i got the tires spinning and the dsg didng shift till like 6500 rpm with redline at 6k. It was fast and this transmission is purely amazing! Lighting quick shifts. Then he had me make a u-turn and try paddle shifters. Did that just as quick as sport mode more or less. But you get a better sense of how quick the transmission is. A couple turns were approaching and he turned off stability control and told me to have fun lol. I didnt wanna over do it but i pushed it a ltl through the corners (i dont like driving too fast with passengers, I save that for alone time). Well that was the end of the GTI test drive. Amazing test drive haha!

Then we headed over to subaru cause my friend wanted to drive the wrx and check out the brz. They didnt have any brz's and the guy told us they will only be getting 10-14/month. Their first 4 they got were driven off the lot hours later with a 5k markup. Next wrx they only had one in the showroom just checked that out couldnt drive it obviously. No sti's on lot only a cpo one. They had nothing lol.
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It's funny how the salesmen wont let you test drive. Guess they didn't take you seriously.
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Wasn't sure where to put this.

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Old 07-03-2012, 12:20 PM
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:52 PM
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That takes some planning

I wanted to do that in the CL, but I missed my chance. And the FR-S doesnt show the trip and ODO on the same screen
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OH MY GOD, I saw that pic on reddit 2 weeks ago!!! and since the internet revolves around me, if I saw something already then nobody else on the internet should ever post it anywhere again, that makes your post invalid.
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What are you talking about?
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oh. I'm ranting about people who rant about seeing stuff on reddit already.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Maker
It's funny how the salesmen wont let you test drive. Guess they didn't take you seriously.
well subaru wouldnt let us cause they really had no cars there, just one wrx that was in the showroom.

The other more exclusive cars couldnt get a test drive. I did show up with two friends and not my dad. I honestly didnt expect to get any test drive haha. But the gti was good enough for me.

I will say stock tires on the gti suck haha. And there is noticeable throttle lag.
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oh. I'm ranting about people who rant about seeing stuff on reddit already.
Need I ask who...
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no. lots of people do it at lots of boards. and they all suck.
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no. lots of people do it at lots of boards. and they all suck.
Seen it on reddit..
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It is annoying, but Ive been guilty of it too.
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Originally Posted by 05TLdcc
if they could find another 100hp out of it it would be a sweet CTS-V rival.
Latest GT500 motor has a 662hp output; sounds like a good candidate.
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oh mah gawd. I'm in love.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1
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meh. slushbox.
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Meh to an Aventador??!?!?!?!!

Something is wrong with you.
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Im going to side with Srika on this, but not because of the tranny.

Its a 3800lb car.
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wait, what? 3800 lbs????????? are you fking kidding me????

what a pig!
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wait, what? 3800 lbs????????? are you fking kidding me????

what a pig!
My M5 was over 4,000.
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btw I saw my first BRZ over the weekend. cool looking car! it sits nice and low, sporty, I was impressed.
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My M5 was over 4,000.
aaaaaaand... it's a larger sports sedan.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
My M5 was over 4,000.
Your M5 carried 4 people (5 if three squeezed in the back).

Though I shouldnt be surprised, Lambos were never really light.
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Originally Posted by srika
aaaaaaand... it's a larger sports sedan.
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Your M5 carried 4 people (5 if three squeezed in the back).

Though I shouldnt be surprised, Lambos were never really light.
Yeah, I know. I was just sayin', for context.
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I guess Murci's were 3600-3800 lbs. friking boats!
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Originally Posted by srika
wait, what? 3800 lbs????????? are you fking kidding me????

what a pig!
Originally Posted by srika
I guess Murci's were 3600-3800 lbs. friking boats!
If she's Italian, I would find it in my heart to love a fat girl.

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a lot of supercars weight a lot, well used too. V12, wide ass tires and how wide it is adds to the body work.. Plus covering everything in leather and all. They need to be super strong, all that adds weight.
They can of course make it lighter by using more carbon fiber but that ups the cost.

The enzo replacement is suppose to be under 3k lbs i think like 2700. With like 900 hp, holy hell.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Latest GT500 motor has a 662hp output; sounds like a good candidate.
I agree, I meant having a 4 door competitor. I'd take a GT500 over a CTS-V anyday though.
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I agree, I meant having a 4 door competitor. I'd take a GT500 over a CTS-V anyday though.
Really? Over a CTS-V coupe?
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It's got 100 horsepower more
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I don't really like how the CTS-V coupe looks
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It's got 100 horsepower more
To use where, exactly? Your buddy's basement on "guy's night Thursdays?"
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On-ramps, highways, rural roads. I think there are quite a few places where you can enjoy the acceleration of a high-horsepower car.


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