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To begin with, it’s got that engine. If your blood doesn’t heat up when you hear Ford’s Coyote five-liter, then you’re either dead or a member of a Subaru enthusiast’s forum.
Originally Posted by R&T
On the surface, the Mustang is supremely desirable, and if you never did anything with it besides drive it back and forth to work you’d be completely and totally happy with it.
Sounds great to me!
The only glaring negative would be the increase in fuel cost.
And I don't get why it's not possible to get leather seats or leather Recaro seats, or premium stereo/Sync/navigation without getting the GT Premium trim. GT Premium with GT Performance Package is already at $40k. You have to add a $1,795 401A package if you want the premium Shaker 12-speaker stereo with HD radio. And the Recaros add $1,595. It all adds up quickly. Damn.
$36,570 for all of the same things on the Ecoboost Premium. Really great price. I just don't think I could go without the Coyote. I'd probably regret it.
Adding those options (no Recaros available on M4) brings the price to $70k and change. Is a blue, white, and black badge worth $30k to you?
If I had $65kish to spend then yes, the M3 as a whole would be. I wouldn't even be considering the Mustang if I had $65kish to spend. Maybe the new GT350, C7, ATSV, C63, used Granturismo/Viper or Cayman, but not a GT Mustang.
If I had $65kish to spend then yes, the M3 as a whole would be. I wouldn't even be considering the Mustang if I had $65kish to spend. Maybe the new GT350, C7, ATSV, C63, used Granturismo/Viper or Cayman, but not a GT Mustang.
Well I'd get a Corvette but the point is that you can get a hell of a lot of car with nearly equal performance for a lot less money.
Originally Posted by oonowindoo
how about a Charger Hellcat vs. Porsche 911 turbo s?
you can buy a Mustang GT and save the 30k but at the end of the day you still have a Mustang GT.... not an M3.
and that only means they can't afford an M3.
Hellcat is still slower than a Turbo S and even more slow when the road changes direction.
There are a lot of people out there who can most definitely afford the M3 but don't want to spend that kind of money on a car, so they buy something they can have just as much fun in for less.
Do you guys think the merc / bmw luxury branding is getting a bit foggy now? Like, we know it's expensive, but not impressive? Maybe it's a car guy thing. Back in the day it seemed rarer to see certain merc / bmws on the road. In the least, you thought a certain way about the owner. Now, yes but in a different way. Cock.
Well I'd get a Corvette but the point is that you can get a hell of a lot of car with nearly equal performance for a lot less money.
Hellcat is still slower than a Turbo S and even more slow when the road changes direction.
There are a lot of people out there who can most definitely afford the M3 but don't want to spend that kind of money on a car, so they buy something they can have just as much fun in for less.
i can most definitely guarantee you that the M3 is faster than a Mustang GT in any direction regardless what the HP #s are. BTW: The new m3 is faster than the new Z28 in a straight line.
While there are some exceptions, but i would assume most of the people who buy 30K Mustang GT will not be able to afford a 80k M3 comfortably, otherwise you can bet they will get the M3. The key word is comfortably.
Can i afford a M3? yes... do i want to? No, because that means i have to sacrifice on other things and that also means i can't afford it comfortably.
However, double my salary and i will tell you, why would i wanna buy a Mustang GT when buying an M3 does little to nothing to my wallet.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 11-12-2014 at 05:12 PM.
Do you guys think the merc / bmw luxury branding is getting a bit foggy now? Like, we know it's expensive, but not impressive? Maybe it's a car guy thing. Back in the day it seemed rarer to see certain merc / bmws on the road. In the least, you thought a certain way about the owner. Now, yes but in a different way. Cock.
Do you guys think the merc / bmw luxury branding is getting a bit foggy now? Like, we know it's expensive, but not impressive? Maybe it's a car guy thing. Back in the day it seemed rarer to see certain merc / bmws on the road. In the least, you thought a certain way about the owner. Now, yes but in a different way. Cock.
Completely concur, Maj. Why do you think I'm always telling ttribe to stomp on toy bricks?
I like the 335i.. I just don't feel the same way about BMW that I did many years ago. I get a discount on them, but I still wouldn't buy one new. Maybe it's media influenced as well..
I like the 335i.. I just don't feel the same way about BMW that I did many years ago. I get a discount on them, but I still wouldn't buy one new. Maybe it's media influenced as well..
Now an AM.. shiett.
I got very disenchanted by the Bangled look a few years ago. But, when he left and BMW left that design behind...I was back again. Sure, not quite happy about all the models they have now...but, their true thoroughbreds are still thoroughbreds.
M3, M6, M5...all tits. And I love the i8. And the "regular" 3-Series, 5-Series, and 6-Series are nothing to shoo about either.
The only glaring negative would be the increase in fuel cost.
And I don't get why it's not possible to get leather seats or leather Recaro seats, or premium stereo/Sync/navigation without getting the GT Premium trim. GT Premium with GT Performance Package is already at $40k. You have to add a $1,795 401A package if you want the premium Shaker 12-speaker stereo with HD radio. And the Recaros add $1,595. It all adds up quickly. Damn.
$36,570 for all of the same things on the Ecoboost Premium. Really great price. I just don't think I could go without the Coyote. I'd probably regret it.
Ryan, I hear you on the cost. From what I've been reading the difference in the interior between the base GT and the Premium is night and day. Well, I should say the enhancements/upgrades the Premium provides.
Also, from what I've heard the stock seats are very good. And they are heated AND cooled. It might not be necessary to get Recaros unless you're going to track the car. I certainly love the ones on the ST but the GT seats might be good enough for daily use.
I hear you on the V8. However, the daily driver aspect of the Ecoboost tuning make it a really compelling choice. Yes, wringing it out to redline doesn't make sense because peak power is at 5500 RPM but considering I rarely take my car that high, the Ecoboost might make more sense. Plus there's the tuning aspect where you could be looking at 350-360hp just from a tune.
Suddenly, that Ecoboost doesn't look quite as bad ...
That's insanely fast for a stock car. The DCT gearbox certainly helps.
But I have to laugh at warming up street tires.
DCT could be faster because it is easier to drive more consistently.
However, it has been proven on the M3 forum based on E92 DCT vs. E92 6mt, they are pretty dead even with a rolling start and if anything 6mt might be faster with in gear acceleration, say 20-65mph. 6mt can be done with 1 gear and DCT will need to shift at least once.
but i would bet my $ on DCT if it was 0-100 or 1/4 race.
Interestingly, the new M3 was in that PCOTY challenge and didn't make the top 3.
Originally Posted by Road&Track
From the M235i, I jump into the M3. If, as some pundits charge, the M3's become a German answer to the Pontiac Trans Am, this is surely Munich's take on the rip-snorting, 400-cube, screaming-chicken variant used by the Bandit almost 40 years ago. It's a muscle car par excellence, warping the trees around its head-up display with what feels like an unlimited reserve of force.
But is it too quick? Senior Editor Jason Cammisa thinks so. "This car is nauseatingly fast. It's also unacceptably traction-compromised. Reducing torque output by 150 lb-ft would do wonders here." He might be right. This car requires rheostat-precise use of the throttle to avoid unpredictable yaw. Or you can just leave the BMW's electronic nannies on, which might be smarter. Two or three generations ago, the M3 gave up on the idea of being the perfect modern 2002tii and decided instead to focus on power and track pace. If that's what you want, it's all here.
The M3 is the only car to actually scare me at the Motown Mile. Going around the fast final turn, the torque spikes and sends me into a long, lazy, 100-mph slide that I don't recover until well down the front straight. Forget this being a German Trans Am; it's a German Corvette. "This car is nightmarish to control under power," concurs Cammisa. "It's so much work, and there's no joy to be had as a result." Having driven the M3 before, on a larger track, I suggest that it needs a bigger venue to shine. Cammisa agrees.
There's no doubt it's an engineering marvel. And there's a reason it costs $70-80k. I don't think anyone would rationally compare even a loaded Mustang GT Performance Pack with a base model M3 or M4. They are simply different cars for different people.
But, in the echelon below the M3/M4 the Mustang GT might rule now. I haven't driven one yet. But everything I've read so far suggests it might be the best all-around sports car in America for ~$40K.
11-11-2014, 07:02 PM
Talk about hyperbole...
