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Old 11-06-2014, 06:44 PM
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In all seriousness, if the American companies that many left for dead can this sort of renaissance, I gotta hope Honda/Acura can turn it around too.



Don't get your hopes up, Yumster.
Old 11-06-2014, 06:48 PM
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new to this community. i am trying to install a Honda ispire jcm engine into my 1999 Acura TL
My Question is what go i need to change on the jdm before i put it in the 99 TL
any help will be much appreciated
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:58 PM
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Don't get your hopes up, Yumster.
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:44 PM
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There is a 2008 IS-F near me with 43k miles for about $35K. Very tempting.
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i know it is a Toyota and it is reliable.

But do you know how much the repair and maintenance cost is for a 6 years old ISF?
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Originally Posted by charliemike
There is a 2008 IS-F near me with 43k miles for about $35K. Very tempting.
Too much. With the RC-F coming out, expect it to take a 5-10k drop. I think the used IS-F prices are still inflated. If it were a 2010, I'd say bite.
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There is a 2008 IS-F near me with 43k miles for about $35K. Very tempting.
Spend a little more and get a E92 M3.
Old 11-06-2014, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ
Spend a little more and get a E92 M3.
...which he'll promptly bypass for a BR-Z.
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Too much. With the RC-F coming out, expect it to take a 5-10k drop. I think the used IS-F prices are still inflated. If it were a 2010, I'd say bite.
Thanks man. I'm holding out til the start of the year but I have been looking at the IS-F as an option.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
i know it is a Toyota and it is reliable.

But do you know how much the repair and maintenance cost is for a 6 years old ISF?
Less than an Audi S5 or M3?
Old 11-06-2014, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Thanks man. I'm holding out til the start of the year but I have been looking at the IS-F as an option.
For reason, I thought a wagon/Avant was very important to you?
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Thanks man. I'm holding out til the start of the year but I have been looking at the IS-F as an option.
I've been in the market for a year now. Prices haven't budged. Almost bit on two..been really looking for a ultrasonic blue <50k one. The first one I was interested in was from the first owner, 30k for $33k. The other was salvage, but beautifully put together with headers, catback, intake and some other goodies for $25k ($10k in mods). Considering I'd own it until the wheels fell off.. I was seriously considering it.

ISF's are super reliable. But for 5-10k less, you can get a 07-08 E/C/CL63 AMG or E9x M3. The ISF engine is exotic in the sense that it was based on the LS600h design and redone for the RCF so parts and knowledge of it aren't readily available / well known. For the same money you can also get a 2012 Charger / 300 SRT. Sure it's Dodge / Chrysler, but they're pretty freaking nice inside.. and hoonish.. plus just as reliable and cheaper to work on.
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If I could get a reasonably priced E/C63 wagon.. I'd be set.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
For reason, I thought a wagon/Avant was very important to you?
I have the Accord coming from my sister so that takes care of the dogs, bike rack, etc ... There really isn't anything in the wagon space that particularly compels me. I like the V60 a lot but I just don't want to pay $40K for a car. The older 3-series wagons really don't do it for me because I just don't like BMW. The Audis are heavy and slow and too big for DC parking garages. So I'm looking at other things and waiting to see if VW releases a proper Sportwagen next year.

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I've been in the market for a year now. Prices haven't budged. Almost bit on two..been really looking for a ultrasonic blue <50k one. The first one I was interested in was from the first owner, 30k for $33k. The other was salvage, but beautifully put together with headers, catback, intake and some other goodies for $25k ($10k in mods). Considering I'd own it until the wheels fell off.. I was seriously considering it.

ISF's are super reliable. But for 5-10k less, you can get a 07-08 E/C/CL63 AMG or E9x M3. The ISF engine is exotic in the sense that it was based on the LS600h design and redone for the RCF so parts and knowledge of it aren't readily available / well known. For the same money you can also get a 2012 Charger / 300 SRT. Sure it's Dodge / Chrysler, but they're pretty freaking nice inside.. and hoonish.. plus just as reliable and cheaper to work on.
I was just reading about the RC-F and one of the comments they made about the IS-F was that it didn't really become a good all around sports car until 2011+ ... That it was just a fast Lexus before that. 2011s are $40K plus which is too much for me to justify. But I do like the idea of them because they are generally reliable and well built cars that I can keep for a while. The M3 and the S5 bother me because they both have the potential to ruin my year with stupid repairs and maintenance like $800 BMW batteries.

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If I could get a reasonably priced E/C63 wagon.. I'd be set.
I agree. The new wagons look great. I'd be happy with a V60 T6 R-Design but that's a $50K car that uses an old engine and transmission. It just doesn't make a lot of sense.

So I keep waiting to see what VW is going to do with the Golf R and Sportwagen, knowing that the Ecoboost Mustang and GT are out there and I can get A-plan pricing on them through work. In the meantime, I see all sorts of cars that look like fun but I wouldn't want to own them.
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Too many cars.. so little monies..
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$800 BMW batteries? Is that OEM? I know you can get aftermarket ones for ~$200 but I didn't think they got that pricey.
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Originally Posted by Costco
$800 BMW batteries? Is that OEM? I know you can get aftermarket ones for ~$200 but I didn't think they got that pricey.
So this is second hand and my friend is smart but I don't know if he was duped ... 2011 335i dies on the highway. Gets flatbedded to dealer. Dealer says "X and Y need to be replaced but because you bought a Jiffy Boys battery, BMW won't cover it. You need a certified BMW battery. That will be $800 plus the other parts that need to be fixed."

So take that for what it is, I guess
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Too many cars.. so little monies..
You're not kidding. It'd be easier if I could just have three cars
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You're not kidding. It'd be easier if I could just have three cars
I have three cars, doesn't get easier because I now want a fourth.
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well that's clean.

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what you don't like your engine bay looking like a hospital?
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^^ That's why Acura will never be a Tier 1 brand:



I mean, really! Look at that thing!
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what you don't like your engine bay looking like a hospital?
For what Lexus is, that design makes sense. It shouts "Don't touch things you don't know about. Let us service it for you."

And that's exactly what people who drive a Lexus want. A really nice appliance.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
So this is second hand and my friend is smart but I don't know if he was duped ... 2011 335i dies on the highway. Gets flatbedded to dealer. Dealer says "X and Y need to be replaced but because you bought a Jiffy Boys battery, BMW won't cover it. You need a certified BMW battery. That will be $800 plus the other parts that need to be fixed."

So take that for what it is, I guess
The more and more I learn about German cars, the less I want one. I like the innovations they're constantly pushing out. On the other hand, there are so many problems from answers to questions that nobody asked.

I can buy a weight saving lithium iron battery (~25 lbs less) with nearly the same reserve capacity as stock and it's accompanying special charger for less than half of that.

At this point German car I would only get a Cayman S, in manual only. Or something older, or less complicated. I'm also spoiled... only I wrench on my car or I have friends that know how.
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The more and more I learn about German cars, the less I want one. I like the innovations they're constantly pushing out. On the other hand, there are so many problems from answers to questions that nobody asked.

I can buy a weight saving lithium iron battery (~25 lbs less) with nearly the same reserve capacity as stock and it's accompanying special charger for less than half of that.

At this point German car I would only get a Cayman S, in manual only. Or something older, or less complicated. I'm also spoiled... only I wrench on my car or I have friends that know how.
You can still do stuff on the German car to a point. Unless you get the special carbon ceramic brakes but they also use them for TPS for the run-flats so there's a special $1500 tool that you need to ...

Faaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhkkkkk.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
For what Lexus is, that design makes sense. It shouts "Don't touch things you don't know about. Let us service it for you."

And that's exactly what people who drive a Lexus want. A really nice appliance.
Either that or a better handling, nicer looking Acura.

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You can still do stuff on the German car to a point. Unless you get the special carbon ceramic brakes but they also use them for TPS for the run-flats so there's a special $1500 tool that you need to ...

Faaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhkkkkk.
lol, I'm sure you're all aware of BMW's cooling system, how should we say it, shortcomings right? How about the design for the cooling system in the S55 (M3/M4 motor)? Are you sitting down? The S55 cooling system consists of:

TWO expansion tanks
1. engine coolant system
2. charge air coolant system

Wait, two expansion tanks? Well, how much worse can it get? Keep reading.

FOUR water pumps
1. mechanical pump for engine coolant
2. electric pump for auxiliary turbo cooling
3. electric pump for charge air cooling
4. electric pump for interior heat

...four...water...pumps

EIGHT radiators/heat exchangers
1. charge air
2. upstream charge air
3. indirect charge air
4. engine coolant
5. upstream engine coolant
6. heater core
7. engine oil
8. M DCT transmission oil

I bet this thing will be super cheap to keep on the road when the warranty expires.

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because race car.

and people wonder why Germans can't make a reliable car? because they do not care! Reliability is definitely not their priority with the way they tend to over engineering everything.

I don't blame them tho.

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Reality is a bitch. Suddenly the M3/M4's appeal to me dropped sharply.

Please don't tell me the Cayman (981) doesn't have any dumb issues like the IMS bearing failures...
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
because race car.

and people wonder why Germans can't make a reliable car? because they do not care! Reliability is definitely not their priority with the way they tend to over engineering everything.

I don't blame them tho.
Is it really "over-engineered" when you get the kind of performance that they deliver? It may be very complex, but it seems today's market for these cars demands a level of performance and precision which drives this level of complexity.

Granted, it's not going to be as easy to work on as a '65 Beetle, but it wasn't made to be that way.
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Please don't tell me the Cayman (981) doesn't have any dumb issues like the IMS bearing failures...
Nope.


But if you want any work done, it's an engine out procedure


I would never buy a German car. I'd definitely lease a BMW or a Panamera. The only car I'd buy would be a 911, and only if I have my own lift and tools and beat the living crap out of it every weekend at the track.
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I want to get 1-2 yr old used Lexus LS for my wife. Told her about it. She just says I don't like Japanese cars. Nope.
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Is it really "over-engineered" when you get the kind of performance that they deliver? It may be very complex, but it seems today's market for these cars demands a level of performance and precision which drives this level of complexity.

Granted, it's not going to be as easy to work on as a '65 Beetle, but it wasn't made to be that way.
There are a lot of cars on the market that have amazing performance and don't require this level of complexity.

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I want to get 1-2 yr old used Lexus LS for my wife. Told her about it. She just says I don't like Japanese cars. Nope.
Have her sit in one first then when she falls asleep in the back, secretly go buy it. Say she said it was ok while she was sleeping.
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Nope.


But if you want any work done, it's an engine out procedure


I would never buy a German car. I'd definitely lease a BMW or a Panamera. The only car I'd buy would be a 911, and only if I have my own lift and tools and beat the living crap out of it every weekend at the track.
Wuss.
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Originally Posted by Costco
Reality is a bitch. Suddenly the M3/M4's appeal to me dropped sharply.

Please don't tell me the Cayman (981) doesn't have any dumb issues like the IMS bearing failures...
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa...whoa. Don't tell me you're in a BR-Z because you passed on an M3 too?!?!?
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Like, I'll say this, if BMW's M-division ever gives their xDrive 3er the M treatment in performance? Screw the Audi A7...I'm getting an M3 next.


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