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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:10 PM
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^ Would it make you feel better if the AM was stuffed with parts from India/Sri Lank instead?

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You're not getting my snarking, are you? The serious part of my post was written below the Apple example. I did say "But seriously"...
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:12 PM
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I wonder what repercussions there will be from this.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:12 PM
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This is 3 levels down in the supply chain for Aston Martin...hence why it was over-looked. Good thing no one was hurt.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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I have a feeling someone's gonna get a hurt real bad inside the company
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
I wonder what repercussions there will be from this.
It's in -land. So, either the entire family is mysteriously gone soon...or, they are rich enough to pay it off and voila, life goes on.

Aston Martin learns from this and does their homework on their entire supply chain.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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The serious part of my post was written below the Apple example. I did say "But seriously"...
I was serious about punishing SSFTSX.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
I was serious about punishing SSFTSX.
We need to call in Ron A.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:34 PM
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:47 PM
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disappointing tho. if I want a Chinese car, I'll buy one, ya know?
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 03:58 PM
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disappointing tho. if I want a Chinese car, I'll buy one, ya know?
Reading on CNBC, it says they were counterfeit DuPont parts. I'm guessing they had all the correct logos and documentation to keep the counterfeit going. Internal controls can only do so much.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
disappointing tho. if I want a Chinese car, I'll buy one, ya know?

Its pretty common for the OEMs to have parts made overseas. Nothing new there.

They hired the Chinese contractors but the problem was that they were using crap material.

Aston Martin found that Shenzhen Kexiang Mould Tool Co Limited, a Chinese subcontractor that moulds the affected accelerator pedal arms, was using counterfeit DuPont plastic material, according to documents filed with the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
I can tell you first hand that there are some parts in Fords lineup that is from India.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer
I can tell you first hand that there are some parts in Fords lineup that is from India.
Right or wrong, I feel like India has some morality that the Chinese appear to not have developed yet.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Right or wrong, I feel like India has some morality that the Chinese appear to not have developed yet.
Not to play the racist card...but, both nations are just as bad in cutting corners.

The seem to have a larger profile but I'd say, it's equal.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Right or wrong, I feel like India has some morality that the Chinese appear to not have developed yet.
Originally Posted by Yumcha
Not to play the racist card...but, both nations are just as bad in cutting corners.

The seem to have a larger profile but I'd say, it's equal.
I predict a train wreck if this thread turns to a protracted discussion on the collective morality of certain rising economic powers.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:20 PM
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Yeah, let's not go there.

R&P coming into here will be worse than us accusing each other of reposts.








Let's just say that it was not a fine moment when a company was not diligent in their homework from their downstream supplier. If they were aware, shame on them for being short-sighted enough to think they could get away with such a cost-cutting corner. No one was hurt, so, likely no significant lawsuits for death and injury...not saying there won't be litigation...

But, think of this: While nothing failed in the AMs, we have regular OEM parts failing everywhere in cars of all sorts. So, where's the foul and outrage per se? Just the other side of the coin.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
I predict a train wreck if this thread turns to a protracted discussion on the collective morality of certain rising economic powers.
In my case, it's bias. I work with folks in India all the time.

Aside from the raping, they're a good bunch of people.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
In my case, it's bias. I work with folks in India all the time.

Aside from the raping, they're a good bunch of people.
Counterpoint: I work with people from India all the time too...and yeah, I'm going to just be polite about it here.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:25 PM
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This has nothing to do with Chinese.

If Aston outsource parts to China. It is Aston's responsibility to monitor QC and Audit to make sure the quality is up to their standard. That is the definition of outsourced OEM.

Every step from material, drawing, inspection and final approval should have been approved by Aston.

Example, Apple products. Even though it is made in China, but the SOPs, quality and final products are all based on Apple's specs/requirement. Not the manuf. that produced them.

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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:28 PM
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Good point, ooyeswindyoo...Ultimately, it falls on AM to do their due diligence.


So, really, it's the white people's fault!

Blame the Chinese...*mutters*
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:35 PM
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Our company does a lot of OEM stuff, so if something goes wrong, it is OUR fault.

Even if the manuf. did use counterfeit parts, ultimately it is still Aston's fault.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Good point, ooyeswindyoo...Ultimately, it falls on AM to do their due diligence.


So, really, it's the white people's fault!

Blame the Chinese...*mutters*
so Yumcha = dim sum?
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
This has nothing to do with Chinese.

If Aston outsource parts to China. It is Aston's responsibility to monitor QC and Audit to make sure the quality is up to their standard. That is the definition of outsourced OEM.

Every step from material, drawing, inspection and final approval should have been approved by Aston.

Example, Apple products. Even though it is made in China, but the SOPs, quality and final products are all based on Apple's specs/requirement. Not the manuf. that produced them.
Exactly the point of my albeit tongue-in-cheek ministrations in here.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Our company does a lot of OEM stuff, so if something goes wrong, it is OUR fault.

Even if the manuf. did use counterfeit parts, ultimately it is still Aston's fault.
Which is, of course, why they are doing an extensive recall.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 05:54 PM
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They should have caught it before the product is released.
That only shows their lack of QC and whoever at Aston approved the counterfeit parts should be fired.

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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 06:15 PM
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Look at this lol

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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 06:20 PM
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LOL is right. I would never do that to an Audi.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
so Yumcha = dim sum?
Dont ignore my question
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 06:42 PM
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Look at this lol

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2001 is back?
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 06:54 PM
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Just got my Chemical Guy cleaner/conditioner combo and tried the cleaner on my Avant.

Holy crap, I had to wash the microfiber towel like 4 times just cleaning all seats and steering wheel. WOW, couldn't believe how dirty it was. The steering wheel was the dirtiest place. Had to use the cleaner 3 times just to clean that crap. It was so dirty.

I'm going to clean it one more time and apply the conditioner. Think it's still dirty.
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Dont ignore my question
Oh so sollee. Yes, it does...
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 10:48 PM
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"Five forgotten '90s classics" - http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/...ntcmp=features


I wouldn't mind a 968.
I have a '94 968 I used to take to the track. Coupe. You'd be surprised how hard a good one is to find for a semi-decent price. Payed 6500 for mine but I knew the guy selling it, and it was just taking up space in his collection.

The person who wrote that article must have never seen a 968, let alone driven one. The engine is up front, a proper Porsche engineered 3.0 I-4 with about 230 hp. Seriously, just an absolute blast to drive. 50/50 weight distribution with the trans in the rear and can light up even sticky rears.

Sorry, I absolutely adore mine, and seriously never plan on giving it up. They're so rare you can sit one next to any other newer 911 and have everyone in your ear. Plus, they have pop up headlights. Women dig pop up headlights
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 12:06 PM
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8 wheel drive!

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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 12:26 PM
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I would love to see Richard Hammond drive this in some hamlet in England and say "sorry ... sorry" over and over while a queue of cars stretches behind him
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
I would love to see Richard Hammond drive this in some hamlet in England and say "sorry ... sorry" over and over while a queue of cars stretches behind him
And there's a hot-tub in it! So, he needs someone in the tub.
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 01:04 PM
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And there's a hot-tub in it! So, he needs someone in the tub.
James and Jeremy, of course.
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 07:35 PM
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I would LOVE to try driving that.

Good news: Insurance settlement on the Jetta is $1500 more than I paid for it.
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Aman

Good news: Insurance settlement on the Jetta is $1500 more than I paid for it.
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 08:53 PM
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I would LOVE to try driving that.

Good news: Insurance settlement on the Jetta is $1500 more than I paid for it.
SHOPPING TIME BABY!
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Aman
I would LOVE to try driving that.

Good news: Insurance settlement on the Jetta is $1500 more than I paid for it.
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Old Feb 6, 2014 | 11:01 PM
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I would LOVE to try driving that.

Good news: Insurance settlement on the Jetta is $1500 more than I paid for it.
congrats.
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