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TS_eXpeed

Looking behind you every now and then isn't a bad idea....

<--- Wondering if they were able to salvage the memory cards in time.

Mizouse

For a beginner some people don't even know how to get settings like you would use in a club.

When I asked for it, I just wanted a general guideline and then adjust for each setting and whatever style I was going after.


It's kind of like how alot of people suggest reading the "understanding exposure" book to learn.

You could be fiddling with the camera for ages and not end up ever with good results.

I don't know what the hell I'm trying to say here...

srika

I was a beginner when I started...

edit: I think I see where you are coming from - but do you agree that most of the new people in there are just coming in and asking for settings because they don't want to have to learn it themselves -

srika

holy sh*t that wedding video was hilarious.. did he fall into the holy water???? oh gawd....... !!!!

Mizouse

Yea I do agree, but IMO what most people shoot at in clubs baffles many new people because you can get away with such slow shutter speeds.

I speak from experience

TS_eXpeed

I can see both sides of the argument.
I'm still a 'beginner' due to the fact that I due school full time year around (6 more months ), and I just haven't ever had any significant time to just go out and shoot....to get some experience and talent under my belt. Just here on AZ, there have been times were I've asked for settings or EXIF data just because I find a shot inspiring. It may have the look or feel that I'd eventually like to be able to show in my particular shots one day. Given that information, I may use that as a baseline or guideline to start and then gradually change things to make it how I personally would like the shot best. I also can agree with the thought of just saying to go out and make your own mistakes as that is where you really learn. Trial & Error is a friend.

MWalsh9152

I see what youre saying Pee boy. Rubin, I havent spent time in the disco thread youre ranting about, is this people inquiring "what settings did THAT shot have"? Or what settings should I use?

What Bryana just said makes sense. Ask or look at what the exif is, so you can learn when you dont have the time to actually get out and shoot. Get a grasp of what it takes to achieve certain looks, or what x condition requires to make a shot work.

jupitersolo

I think what trips up a lot of the one's who want to know how, they don't have the equipment to do what is good, what they see on photo forums.


I've had a lot of feedback from my HDR the last few months, it's always a newb, when I tell them no you can't do what I'm doing with what you have. I tell them my process and what I use, I don't here back from them.

TS_eXpeed

That.
I don't like the idea of asking for settings though, as Rubin mentioned, just for the sake of straight up trying to duplicate a shot because there is a complete lack of creativity or initiative.

MWalsh9152

for the sake of trying to duplicate it, no. But to know THAT is what was achieved with it, then you can work from there. However, sometimes you need to take inspiration from people when you see something, take it, tweak it, and make it your own.

Billiam

IMO, it's the "thrill of the hunt" factor. There are people that want to go on safaris and there are people that just want the antelope head on their wall regardless of how they got it.

A similar sort of thing exists in amateur astronomy. For a healthy majority of visual observers, tracking down and finding an object in the sky is a significant portion of the experience. For some people though, they just want to look at the stuff and end up getting a computerized scope that automatically points at what they want to see.

Loosely speaking, you could say the same sort of thing about learning applicable camera settings to express creativity. For some people, the end result is all they care about regardless of how formulaic an approach they may take to get there. I would like to think that's a fairly small portion of the photographic community, but I'm sure those people exist.

srika

yeah I guess it's a matter of personal taste. as I said I also have similar feelings about sampling in music or using presets on a keyboard. not a fan. I have always been a fan of personalization and customization - I go crazy with that stuff.

In other news, this 7d eats through cards like nothing. I'm considering buying a 32gb but I don't know. Yeah, I think I'm gonna do it. I think it's better to have the headroom there, than not.

Billiam

Speaking of memory, my largest cards are 2 GB so I just did a quick check under the idea of "I think I'll get a bigger card to take with me over the weekend. There can't be too much of a retail premium for an 8 GB card can there?"

SanDisk Extreme 8 GB
B&H - $69.99
Calumet - $54.99
Best Buy - $169.99

jupitersolo

Don't throw all eggs in on basket, get 8's or 16's

jupitersolo

Step away from Sandisk, take a look at Transcends, I have four CF's and two SD cards. Less expensive and works just as good.

srika

yeah I looked on Calumet at Lexar 32gb and they only have one model $375 I'm like just a tad more than I want spend. I check their Sandisk and they have a 32 at $169 yeah thats more like it.

I thought of the 'all eggs in one basket' thing and I dunno. I think you're probably right, I think Ill get 16's. 8 is just too small.

Billiam

I have several different brands of SD(HC) cards for point and shoots. For some reason with CF cards though, I have this gut instinct of "If you haven't had back luck, don't change." No logical reason. It's just there.

srika

yeah I feel the same. I *have* had bad luck with cards other than Sandisk and Lexar - so I'll stick with those brands. and by bad luck I mean, card doesn't work anymore.

jupitersolo

I have had the same feeling, but when I needed to new CF cards and SDisk was fifty dollars more per card, I bought Transcends, they are as big in Europe as SDisk is in N.A.

MWalsh9152

so theyre the David Hasslehoff of the compact flash world?

I just found out that Im going to a company wide 4 day training/pat on the back weekend in Kansas City, MO in the middle of Sept. Did a quick search, and it looks like a VERY photogenic city.....hopefully that will keep me from partaking in the drunkfest that these things always turn into at night, and keep me from wanting to hurl myself from the top of the hotel in the morning

anyone ever been?

srika

lmao @ the hoff

jupitersolo

Just about any of time of my life I'd if they told me I was going to KC. But now there is always something to shoot.

srika

really? what changed? I mean why is there stuff to shoot there now. (asking cuz I don't know).

jupitersolo

I got older and don't party ANYWHERE close to what I use to do.

MWalsh9152

yeah, I hear ya on that. I hardly ever party anymore, the closest I usually get is having a few too many at the shop on Friday nights

MWalsh9152

supposedly they have the second most fountains in the world

so I got that going for me, which is nice

jupitersolo

I just went to flickr and searched Kansas City; this looks promising...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43974394@N06/4553728800/




Plus using this map can give you ideas when you don't know a city

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrism7...hoto=164581848

MWalsh9152

yeah, Ive seen some great pics of Union Station from the outside as well on potn

I plan to make a list of things within walking distance of my hotel, and bring my gps

that map is pretty cool though

srika

damn.. pretty Union Station.

MWalsh9152

I just looked, and its only open until 5pm. Might be tough to get in there depending on my itinerary

srika

in case you missed it here are the iphone 3GS fashion shoot pics -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fstoppe...7624296312079/

EuRTSX

I need to buy a new flash.. and sell the 17-55...

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

17-55? why?? wait nikon right?

Mizouse

I'm guessing canon since his flickr account has 40D in it

jupitersolo

Nikon

S14 n Tsx

Jup, you beat me to it... I was just about to post that video.

My friend just sent that link to me.

regardless, both cameras are toasted but he should able to save those memory cards, right?

EuRTSX

I made the account back when I had a Canon 40D.

Current is D300 So yes, Nikon

Dan Martin

It has been a little over a month since I got the Zeiss 2/35 and I have to say that I really enjoy it. When you use it, you know you're using something special. It's kind of like the difference between fine woodworking tools and a utilitarian set of chisels from Craftsman. You just need to hold it to be inspired.



I can easily see why people that buy one Zeiss quickly end up buying a full kit of Zeiss lenses, but I'm going to take my time with this one before buying any more. However, I know the 2.8/21 and 2/100 will be in my bag eventually. I think it's important to get to understand the "character" of a lens before getting another one. Every lens has strengths and weaknesses, so you need to log time with it and use it in a variety of situations to figure out where it really shines.

So far, the ZE 2/35 seems to be ideally suited to casual hand-held shooting. It's pretty discrete, so people aren't as intimidated by it as say a 24-70. There is no performance penalty for shooting wide open, so I only stop down to get more DOF not increased sharpness. The bokeh remains excellent when stopped down too.

Surprisingly, I really haven't missed AF that much. That was my biggest fear when ordering it, but it's not much of an issue for what I've been shooting lately. The only time I had trouble was when I shot my sister's wedding reception a few weeks ago. It was fantastic for candid shots when people were mingling out in the hall, but trying to track moving/dancing people in low light with a MF lens is next to impossible. I switched over to my EF 85mm/1.8 for the rest of those photos and it worked out great. In fact, that's the kit I keep with me 90% of the time now: ZE 2/35, EF 85/1.8, and 580EX2. It fits comfortably in my Crumpler 5MDH and I can carry it all day.

I'm sure I'll be picking up a 5D3 when it comes out, so I've sold my EF-S 17-55 to a friend at work and my 10-22 is next. I'm going to need something with AF to track the little one as she starts running around, so hopefully they'll update the 24-70 in time for the 5D3 release.

I've mostly been shooting family events for the last month, so I don't have a lot of photos to share, but I'm taking a vacation at the end of the month and I plan on doing some shoots around town. I'll be sure to post when I do.