:what: I thought GM had 100% (or a large interest) in FHI? When did Toyota get involved with Subaru?

^^ more like 25%, and I think they have already sold it to raise cash.

Yup, GM sold their stake and Toyota swiftly bought up I think ~10%?

Does this mean the next generation Camry will be based on Baja/Legacy/Outback mechanicals?

This = AWD Camrys?

The 2007 Altima can show up any time now ... like ... NOW ... or ... NOW!!!

ugh!!!!

:sad:

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this came out of nowhere. By the way, that Subie IN plant is a great facility. I believe the Legacy is made there.

LOL@ the URL, I actually clicked and waited for a new window to open. I'm such a :n00b:

Speaking of the Altima, Nissan only needs to modify a few things to make it more competitive. I think the mid-cycle make over made it among the best looking family sedan, still dont like the big taillights, though.

It's going to be an exciting time for the midsize family sedan, to see what Nissan and Honda, and even mazda, have up their sleeves in response to the new Camry.

Legacy, Outback, and Baja. I heard that Subaru has plans to move production of the Impreza and Forester over as well.
I believe that the Tribeca is built in Japan, currently, even though it's not sold in the Japanese market.

If Subaru cuts the Baja model, it might free up their line somewhat.
I don't know the production figures, I should look them up in Automotive News and write them down [I was looking at the chart tonight in the copy at Borders].

No, its built in Lafayette, Indiana.

Toyota better be very very very careful. I remember when the Baja came out, CR did not like its reliability at all. A big black dot in Consumer Reports for the Camry would really fuck shit up quickly!

The Baja seems to have been an anomoly, nothing but half red dots and above for Subby right now. IIRC only Lexus and Mitsubishi out of the other Japanese manufacturers can claim only red/hal red dots across the board, not Toyota, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, Nissan or Scion can!

I was browsing Motor Trend at Costco (they sell magazines now!) and it was a 3-way win for Toyota.

First it was the Prius vs. Civic hybrid...they gave the nod to the Prius for its superior mileage and spaciousness over the Civic.

Then it was the new Camry hybrid vs. the Accord hybrid...they gave the nod to the Camry for its consistently better mileage over the Accord, and its lower price than the Accord (I think the difference was quoted at 3K or 4K, I forget, but it was a pretty big chunk). Accord was praised for its acceleration. But get this, the Camry hybrid (mated only to the 4-cylinder) was 131 pounds heavier than the Accord hybrid (which is mated only to the 6-cylinder) :what:

And then there was a four-way comparo between the Toyota FJ Cruiser, Nissan X-Terra, Hummer H3, and Jeep Liberty Renegade. FJ Cruiser came in 1st place, Liberty Renegade came in last. I think I remembered the X-terra being in 2nd place.

Think all three of those winners come down to personal preference rather than one car really being superior to the other.

Toyota announced manufacturer’s suggested retail prices (MSRP) today for the all-new and much-anticipated 2007 Camry Hybrid.
The all-new Camry Hybrid will have a base MSRP of $25,900.
The new Camry Hybrid will reach Toyota dealers this May.
The car has 187 horsepower and milage of 40 mpg in the city and 38 mpg on the highway.
Recently, the automaker said the gasoline version of the Camry would start at $18,270

Camry tops 4-way V6 comparo on Edmunds:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=109710

1 - Camry XLE V6
2- Honda Accord EX V6
3- Hyundai Sonata LX V6
4- Ford Fusion SEL V6

The new V6 model dusted the competition in the acceleration race.
And if it were for the 4-cylinder models, I don't think the order would be any different.

^^ The Accord is truly a great car. Although those times seem rather slow.

But Toyota seems to be on a unstoppable roll.

I don't see Honda throwing in a 3.5L V6 into the next gen Accord solely to match Toyota. I'd expect a 3.2 or 3.3L V6 with ~270 HP and better MPG than the Camry.

:agree: That sounds more realistic. :nod:

I don't think Honda's going to respond lightly with this threat from Toyota (which IMO will probably be the best Camry ever). I think they will go with a 3.5L. They said without Honda, Acura could not be. So they'll have to put worrying about stepping on the TL's toes on the #2 spot in their list of things to do. #1 priority is Camry.

These midsize cars don't need extra HP. Hell, I drive a 4-cylinder 2006 Accord EX and it has plenty of power for what the car is. Putting this much HP and Torque in a FWD family sedan is just silly IMO. There is a reason why the 4-cylinder versions of these cars make up the vast majority of sales as this is more than enough engine for these cars.

i guess you missed this part? :thumbsup:

With the anticipation of parents watching their child win a spelling bee with the final letter, we watched the Camry's point total edge out the Accord's by a 0.64 margin. Despite what this might indicate, there really was no dispute regarding which of these four cars should win the comparison

Whoopee Gilbo. The new Camry has 4 years of development/technology on the Accord. No surprise that the Camry won.

i saw one of these driving along highway 5 on my way from the bay area to LA, i dunno imo the front grill of the car looks funny to me.

and then i was passed again by the new M5 (happened last time when i was driving from bay area to LA at the end of my winter break)

omg, you look for the smallest things when you try so pathetically to bash honda. just give it up already. everytime you post it just makes my head hurt. when the new accord comes out next year and blows away the camry in reviews what will you say? "i don't go by what's in magazines"? :rofl:

:excited: it would be like the end of teh world, man!!!

Lots of other people other than me are complaining about the new front end and grille. Well, guess what, I'll say it before & I'll say it again:
give Granny that V6 in HER Camry, and you'll only be seeing those snazzy taillamps! :nod:

total :werd:

Game over. Toyota had about 5 new Camrys at the auto show and they were all mobbed by onlookers waiting to sit and feel the interior. Interior quality surpasses that even of the Accord. The faux wood looked authentic (though I don't like the yellow color). In base models those panels remain plastic, which look bare, but still very good quality. Roomy inside, I really couldn't discern how much bigger (if any) the interior volume is over the old Camry. But wow I was very impressed.

game over? indeed it is over. good job toyota, 5 years later and you finally have a nice interior. the 7g accords interior blew away the old camry's. of course they had to do something. but i don't understand this "game over" stuff. is it similar to "honda has to step up now"? step up to what? can't say much until the new accord comes out next year. same deal with the cr-v and rav4. it finally catches up to the cr-v in size and suddenly it's game over for the cr-v. :rofl: i can't stop laughing when people post things like that.

:agree:

And I was more impressed by the Sonata's interior materials than I was with the new Camry's at the Detroit show.

At the Milwaukee Auto Show some of the 7g Camrys had velvet ropes around them and all were locked. I couldn't beleive they had them locked so no one could sit in them. All of the Mercedes and BMW's were unlocked but a Camry is so special that they didn't want anyone sitting in it!

:what: The Sonata, with the same plastic faux aluminum interior door pulls that the redesigned Altima was pegged for having when it first came out? I sat in the Sonata again at the auto show to make sure I wasn't too biased the first time I sat in it. It felt just as cheap as it did last year when I first sat in one year ago. The Camry clearly is at the head of its class at this point, by quite a far margin. Like I said, it surpasses even the Accord, which I have always felt has the best interior in this class.

Of course the fact that a comparably equipped V6 Camry cost 2500 more would probably cause some people to think twice.

I must be the only one that thinks the new Camry is totally hideous. I'm also unimpressed by auto makers stuffed 250hp+ V6's in FWD mid-sized sedans. When does the new Accord come out? :/

I agree with you 100%!!! You're not alone. I don't like Toyota's new coporate face, period. The ugly grill and droppy eye headlamps are terrible on the Camry, Avalon, and Corolla, IMO. Honestly, I like the new Altima, though the grill will take a little getting used too. Of all the 250HP FWD family sedans out there now, I like the Aura the best. Good question about the Accord. I think a new one comes out in around another two years... someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.

The mid cycle refresh just happened, so yeah at least 2 more years with the current Accord. I'm concerned for Honda, though. It won't take much to make the Accord better...but I'm afraid they might pull something weird like the Civic's dash or repeat the taillight debacle.

So are you saying you wnat the new Accord to have less tha 250hp? :tomato:

Think its to the point were these new cars can only get marginally better than their previous gens. If the new Accord were to have a huge gain in quality etc, it would be an Acura. Think the major part to a restyle is coming up with an attractive design that impresses people rather than huge engines or materials that are very high quality..

i would love to see 'civic' like accord. a current design failed. almost none of think it's a great design. and civic interior is cool!

i love camry's rear and interior, but still not used to the front. probably never will.

sonata looks great in person especially the rear, but interior still needs work. i wish sonata had azera's interior. but then people won't buy expensive sonata yet.

sonata would look great if it had interior like this with navi. but then it would cost more, and people won't buy expensive sonata.


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it's all about the material.

too bad they don't offer these in america. i've sat on these, and it's 10 times than the u.s version. they need to bring the navis and all the other goodies sooner or later to compete with the big boys.

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Toyota Recalling Camry - - Source: The Car Connection

Junk!

Drive a Honda. :nod:

Does any Lexus have tranny problems too? :wish:

What the fuck are you hoping that one for?

And most likely no...seeing as the new ES hasn't been released yet.

So Acura won't be alone? :dunno:

BTW, I don't have a CL or TL.

ouch.

figured something was up after someone made that post in car talk i think

To shut 1SICKFANBOY up

Anyone who compares the Honda issue to the Toyota and leaves out the fact that Toyota addressed it in WEEKS! vs Honda which took years...

If your going to compare owning a vehicle based on problems... which manufacturer would I rather be with? one who ignores the issue or one who acknowledges it and produces a fix in a timely manner.

exactly

As much as I hate agreeing with Siggy, :werd: