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Originally Posted by av6ent
Jesus. Can you read YEAR TO DATE numbers posted?
I specifically shown current 2005 mid-year (May) and latest available sales figures (Oct) for both models and don't have to include every frigging month sale. Typically, folks make big purchase like cars before April 15 deadline that's why usually car sale increase from Feb until May. Regardless, compare 2005 Accord numbers to 2004 which went down despite Accord Hybrid sales. If you saying Camry selling higher only due to fleet sale, you forgetting the increase for Accord due to Hybrid model Camry doesn't have it yet. In addition, there is a major reason car rentals don't have the Accords - reliability. Camry costs more than Accord despite bland look (inside/out), however more reliable resulting in increase in sales and current consumers are more educated than before. BTW, Accord had best years I believe mid-90s but will never catch solid and reliable Camry in sales. Watch the numbers when this new model going to hit the dealer show rooms. Typically, folks make big purchase like cars before April 15 deadline that's why usually car sale increase from Feb until May. And FYI it was as recently as 2001 when the Accord outsold the Camry in annual numbers. And no, it was from 1989-91 that the Accord had the highest annual numbers than any other cars, not mid 90s. |
Originally Posted by heyitsme
I think its because Honda continues to have a very low % of fleet sales in comparison to Toyota, has nothing to do with reliability. In 2004 Hondas total % of passenger car fleets sales was 1.4%, Toyotas was 9.5%.
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Yeah, the mid year #'s are out by model for 2005, camry is 14%, accord is 2.1%.
http://www.fleet-central.com/af/t_re...action=af_stat |
ive always thought accords cost more, and as for camry as a fleet car because of reliability tell how come people usually get fords and GMs for rentals
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The Accord is still better. Period.
Camry = :yawn: |
well now that we know what the camry looks like i want to see what the tarted up version is going to look . for those uninitiated, a camry tarted up is a lexus ES. I would expect a different interior and a modified exterior.
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Originally Posted by d-rock
ive always thought accords cost more, and as for camry as a fleet car because of reliability tell how come people usually get fords and GMs for rentals
Prices are from the Canadian versions 2006 Toyota Camry XLE V6 w/ package B: $36,835 (contents of pkg B) Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) Advanced Traction Control System (TRAC) ABS with Brake Assist Heated Driver and Front Passenger Seats Power Passenger's Seat Leather Seat Surfaces Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel Synthetic Leather Door Trim 2006 Honda Accord EX-V6 Automatic: $34100 |
Acura TL with Navi is 32k.
Who wants camry for 36k when you can get a fully loaded TL with Navi for 32k :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by helloha
Who wants camry for 36k when you can get a fully loaded TL with Navi for 32k :rolleyes:
Those are canadian prices :tomato: |
Looked better in black.
https://img420.imageshack.us/img420/6862/camry17el.jpg https://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5385/camry21mj.jpg The side profile looks almost exactly like the current Camry, probably hasn't grown in size. If it did, the changes might be minimal. But overall a good looking car. |
The headlight and taillights look better but I don't think the grill is very appealing at all.
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Hmmm, it looks like a fatty Mazda 3. The grill, however, isn't a rip from the 3 but it's rather an evolution of the Hong Kong market Camry grille. I like it better than the current Accord.
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The exterior isn't excititng or appealing to me, but I think the interior's very nice.
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Toyota fleets so many cars because they are trying to catch GM for largest car maker title. Honda has no interest in such things. How many times has the Camry been on the ten best list??? Thats what I thought.
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Looking forward to renting a new Camry at Hertz for my next trip.
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Originally Posted by phile
Looked better in black.
https://img420.imageshack.us/img420/6862/camry17el.jpg https://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5385/camry21mj.jpg The side profile looks almost exactly like the current Camry, probably hasn't grown in size. If it did, the changes might be minimal. But overall a good looking car. |
Originally Posted by helloha
Who wants camry for 36k when you can get a fully loaded TL with Navi for 32k :rolleyes:
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taken from s2ki:
America's best-selling car is redesigned for 2007, getting new styling, more power and features, and, for the first time, a gas/electric hybrid model. Camry retains the same overall length as the 2002-2006 version, but adds 2.2 inches to wheelbase and cuts height by nearly an inch. Base-model curb weight is up some 175 lb. New features include standard instead of optional curtain side airbags. The line consists of a price-leader CE trim level, volume LE, sporty SE, and luxury XLE. All come with a 158-hp 2.4-liter 4-cyl engine and a 5-speed manual transmission or a 5-speed automtic. LE, SE, and XLE also offer V6 versions with a 268-hp 3.5-liter and a 6-speed automatic transmission. Camry's previous most-powerful V6 had 210 hp and used a 5-speed automatic. Both '07 automatics include a manual shift gate. The Hybrid teams a special 2.4-liter 4-cyl gas engine with a battery-powered electric motor for 192 net hp. It teams with a continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) providing near-infinite drive ratios. Like Toyota's smaller Prius hybrid, Camry's automatically drives on either or both power sources, depending on conditions, and requires no plug-in charging. Antilock 4-wheel disc brakes are standard for all models. So are front torso side airbags, head-protecting curtain side airbags, and, for the first time, a driver's knee airbag. The Hybrid adds antiskid/traction control that's available for other models. SEs come with 17-inch wheels, the other models with 16s. SEs also have a firmer suspension, and specific trim inside and out. The Hybrid also has unique interior and exterior trim. A split folding rear seat is standard except on SE and Hybrid, which have a fixed seat with center pass-through. Leather upholstery is included on the V6 XLE, available for the 4-cyl XLE and the SE. A navigation system with CD changer and wireless cell-phone link is optional for SE and XLE, as are heated seats. A new-to-Camry keyless-entry/starting system is included on Hybrid and available for V6 XLE. http://tinypic.com/fz9d1s.jpg http://tinypic.com/fz9eea.jpg http://tinypic.com/fz9f8k.jpg http://tinypic.com/fz9f9d.jpg |
Originally Posted by Stevens24
Toyota fleets so many cars because they are trying to catch GM for largest car maker title. Honda has no interest in such things. How many times has the Camry been on the ten best list??? Thats what I thought.
1. offer so many models since they don't have the means to design/produce as many cars for different markets 2. Their cars are not as appealing to the mass market as toyota's are. if honda had no interest in such things, they wouldnt be rebadging hondas and selling them as acura to boost sales. they can't be like toyota and design from ground up because they just dont have nearly the resources as a toyota can |
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Originally Posted by gilboman
honda have interest (are they not in it to make money :whyme: ), they just don't have the resources to
1. offer so many models since they don't have the means to design/produce as many cars for different markets 2. Their cars are not as appealing to the mass market as toyota's are. if honda had no interest in such things, they wouldnt be rebadging hondas and selling them as acura to boost sales. they can't be like toyota and design from ground up because they just dont have nearly the resources as a toyota can You answered your own question in the first sentence...you do not make as much money selling to fleet markets as you do to the public. Think about it - these fleet sales are for company cars or rentals...the private institution, whether its Hertz or some small company, pay a discounted X amount for Y number of cars. Their discounted price elevates Toyota's sales volume - to compete with GM in leading sales. It is not to boost revenue - Toyota's fleet percentage of 14%, though greater than Honda's, is far more conservative than GM's. Though they're not exactly throwing away money, they're not making as much on those cars as they would if those cars were sold to individuals. So you might want to take that :rolleyes: back. Your following 2 points have no relevance to the fleet sales topic. Toyota is much larger than Honda - of course they can produce more. That does not mean they have to sell to fleet markets. They do it because they have other motives, besides financial. Certain Honda cars are just as appealing , if not more, than Toyota. In this particular case, we're talking Accord vs. Camry. As I've mentioned earlier, look at the sales number for previous years...subtract whatever percentage of fleet sales from Camry numbers and from Accord numbers, and you will see that when you minus the fleet numbers, the Accord outsold the Camry. Only recently has the Accord sales gone down, due to its controversial looks. 2001: Honda officially takes the sales crown, just as Toyota readies a new Camry for 2002. 2002 sales total: Camry: 434,145 x .14 = 60,780; 434,145 - 60,780 = 373364 Accord: 398,980 x .021 = 8,378; 398,980 - 8,378 = 390601 2003 sales total: Camry: 413,296 x .14 = 57,861; 413,296 - 57,861 = 355434 Accord: 397,750 x .021 = 8,352; 397750 - 8,352 = 389,397 2004 sales total: Camry: 426,990 x .14 = 59,778; 426,990 - 59,778 = 367211 Accord: 386,770 x .021 = 8,122; 386,770 - 8,122 = 378647 So gilbo, if you were to measure appeal by a car's sales number, it seems like you're wrong. In the case of Accord vs. Camry, more people find the Accord more appealing. What about enthusiasts? Hmm, haven't seen the Camry on C&D's 10Best list as much as I see the Accord. And in how many comparisons has the Accord out ranked the Camry? You could take that as a measure of appeal, and the Accord still wins. |
Originally Posted by Bobbydoedoe
taken from s2ki:
America's best-selling car is redesigned for 2007, getting new styling, more power and features, and, for the first time, a gas/electric hybrid model. Camry retains the same overall length as the 2002-2006 version, but adds 2.2 inches to wheelbase and cuts height by nearly an inch. Base-model curb weight is up some 175 lb. New features include standard instead of optional curtain side airbags. The line consists of a price-leader CE trim level, volume LE, sporty SE, and luxury XLE. All come with a 158-hp 2.4-liter 4-cyl engine and a 5-speed manual transmission or a 5-speed automtic. LE, SE, and XLE also offer V6 versions with a 268-hp 3.5-liter and a 6-speed automatic transmission. Camry's previous most-powerful V6 had 210 hp and used a 5-speed automatic. Both '07 automatics include a manual shift gate. The Hybrid teams a special 2.4-liter 4-cyl gas engine with a battery-powered electric motor for 192 net hp. It teams with a continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) providing near-infinite drive ratios. Like Toyota's smaller Prius hybrid, Camry's automatically drives on either or both power sources, depending on conditions, and requires no plug-in charging. Antilock 4-wheel disc brakes are standard for all models. So are front torso side airbags, head-protecting curtain side airbags, and, for the first time, a driver's knee airbag. The Hybrid adds antiskid/traction control that's available for other models. SEs come with 17-inch wheels, the other models with 16s. SEs also have a firmer suspension, and specific trim inside and out. The Hybrid also has unique interior and exterior trim. A split folding rear seat is standard except on SE and Hybrid, which have a fixed seat with center pass-through. Leather upholstery is included on the V6 XLE, available for the 4-cyl XLE and the SE. A navigation system with CD changer and wireless cell-phone link is optional for SE and XLE, as are heated seats. A new-to-Camry keyless-entry/starting system is included on Hybrid and available for V6 XLE. So: - Toyota is not offering the hybrid as a performance option like the Accord V6, but purely as a fuel economy option. - It sucks that there is no folding rear seat (just like there isn't one on the Accord V6), so far the only affordable hybrid on the market with good cargo capacity is the Prius, and so it's the only one I would consider. |
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/camlms.jpg
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/camlms2.jpg thats hott with this & the new civic- i cant wait to see how the new accord/ tl are going to turn out.... it will be awesome- http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...3&page=4&pp=15 |
REAL LIFE PHOTOS OF 2007 CAmry!!
http://target.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph...66.jpg&.src=ph
Credit: tommyg12 at Edmunds The grill looks kind of awkward, but otherwise I'm liking it, especially the interior. |
Nice find. Glad the USA model doesn't have the grill slats, much better.
It looks like a Mazda front end http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/43451...w5jmDBF0PB52Fh , 7-series rear end http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/43451...w5jmDBq6NlCWF. grafted onto a current camry body. Interior, nice design/layout, reminds me of BMWs style, but the plastic material looks like crap. |
I am sorry but I have yet to find a Toyota that has an exterior design that is either appealing or exciting to me.... including this one..... BLAND is still the word. Just my humble opinion.....
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Yeah, I agree, Its a bland car but people will buy it....Its not bad looking car, just kind of plain and simple...
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meh....i dont like the mazda front and civic tails....i like the current one much better
interior looks decent tho |
im sure thats the next camry with some sort of TRD exterior kit
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TRD barely has time for the current gen let alone the next gen.
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Looks good from the outside, but the interior is plain old...PLAIN. :thumbsdown:
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F$#k the camery! what's up with all dem porsches?
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Whats with all the new toyota.lexus designs. They are totally mazda loooking. It looks okay overall....it is afterall just a camry
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I like it. The front end is interesting.
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kinda looks like the mazda 6 from the front.
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Originally Posted by TypeRS
im sure thats the next camry with some sort of TRD exterior kit
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:yawn: Meh.
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The interior plastics are :ugh: . The dash guages are questionable too. Yet it has some Lexus flair to it. I gotta see this in person.
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And what's up with the all the Porsches?
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They need to work on the fit and finish especially on the steering wheel. Overall the base model looks OK, but for the same price I'd rather get the Hyundai Sonata LX V6.
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Should be interesting to see if they switch out the silver trim pieces in the LE model to black or a dark colored wood. Those pics are pretty sweet though of a car that hasn't been shown yet.
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It looks like knockoff of that new Hyundai - except that the Camry is uglier.
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
They need to work on the fit and finish especially on the steering wheel. Overall the base model looks OK, but for the same price I'd rather get the Hyundai Sonata LX V6.
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Originally Posted by phile
Hi gilbo, long time no speak.
You answered your own question in the first sentence...you do not make as much money selling to fleet markets as you do to the public. Think about it - these fleet sales are for company cars or rentals...the private institution, whether its Hertz or some small company, pay a discounted X amount for Y number of cars. Their discounted price elevates Toyota's sales volume - to compete with GM in leading sales. It is not to boost revenue - Toyota's fleet percentage of 14%, though greater than Honda's, is far more conservative than GM's. Though they're not exactly throwing away money, they're not making as much on those cars as they would if those cars were sold to individuals. So you might want to take that :rolleyes: back. Your following 2 points have no relevance to the fleet sales topic. Toyota is much larger than Honda - of course they can produce more. That does not mean they have to sell to fleet markets. They do it because they have other motives, besides financial. Certain Honda cars are just as appealing , if not more, than Toyota. In this particular case, we're talking Accord vs. Camry. As I've mentioned earlier, look at the sales number for previous years...subtract whatever percentage of fleet sales from Camry numbers and from Accord numbers, and you will see that when you minus the fleet numbers, the Accord outsold the Camry. Only recently has the Accord sales gone down, due to its controversial looks. 2001: Honda officially takes the sales crown, just as Toyota readies a new Camry for 2002. 2002 sales total: Camry: 434,145 x .14 = 60,780; 434,145 - 60,780 = 373364 Accord: 398,980 x .021 = 8,378; 398,980 - 8,378 = 390601 2003 sales total: Camry: 413,296 x .14 = 57,861; 413,296 - 57,861 = 355434 Accord: 397,750 x .021 = 8,352; 397750 - 8,352 = 389,397 2004 sales total: Camry: 426,990 x .14 = 59,778; 426,990 - 59,778 = 367211 Accord: 386,770 x .021 = 8,122; 386,770 - 8,122 = 378647 So gilbo, if you were to measure appeal by a car's sales number, it seems like you're wrong. In the case of Accord vs. Camry, more people find the Accord more appealing. What about enthusiasts? Hmm, haven't seen the Camry on C&D's 10Best list as much as I see the Accord. And in how many comparisons has the Accord out ranked the Camry? You could take that as a measure of appeal, and the Accord still wins. if toyota didn't sell 14% to rental companies, i'm sure they would find a way to sell those 14% to people. they make certain amount of camry's every year, and they sell everyone of them. that's why toyota is the most profitable company. |
Originally Posted by chungkopi
if toyota didn't sell 14% to rental companies, i'm sure they would find a way to sell those 14% to people. they make certain amount of camry's every year, and they sell everyone of them. that's why toyota is the most profitable company.
Furthermore, as evidenced by the Accord overtaking the Camry in 2001, when a new Camry was due, it appears that Toyota stopped selling to the fleet market. So that implies that the 14% is accounted for prior to selling whatever remaining Camry's are left over for that year. |
Originally Posted by deandorsey
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/camlms.jpg
http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/camlms2.jpg thats hott :what: The word "hott" and "Camry" don't ever belong in the same sentence. |
damn people, that's not a bad looking car. i don't like the front, but i'll still take this over accord in a heartbeat.
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Jesus! Could you resize those?
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I'm still really like that interior. Thanks for the real world pics.
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:woot: speedometer: 80 mph at 12 o'clock! ... anybody wanna drive a Camry up to 160 mph?! :ninja:
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hmm..
front end of a Rhino Rear end of a civic front console/dashboard looks like my stainless steel coffeemaker with blue glow-in-the-dark buttons.. |
Too bland...but then Camry = bland car for the masses.
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Oh man. The front end looks like it came straight off an Echo.
The interior isn't exactly my cup of tea. I know a lot of people that would like it though. I still prefer the Accord. Toyota, as usual, will sell a lot of these, but I don't think all that many people will be trading in Accords for Camrys. |
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