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Old 11-14-2021, 07:54 AM
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When Ramon Laguarta told CNBC PepsiCo would get its first set of Tesla Semi on Q4 2021, we mentioned it looked like something Elon Musk would later deny on Twitter. It took only four days to confirm that. When asked about it, the Tesla CEO said it would not happen.
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When a Tesla fan asked Musk about Semi deliveries, the executive said that the “company is constrained by chip supply short-term, cell supply long-term.” That said, it would not be “possible to produce additional vehicles in volume until both constraints are addressed.” Ironically, Musk did not mention the issue with batteries is even more profound than just supply. It relates to achieving mass production of 4680 cells.

As we have said over and over, Tesla has based all its new products on the new battery format. It built two new factories expecting to produce vehicles conceived around it. Yet, the company has not finished developing that crucial element for both the factories and the cars they will make. That is a precarious thing to do, to say the least.

If the 4680 tabless cells were ready, then Musk could talk about a supply constraint. At this point, there’s not even a 4680 cells supply: it is yet to be created. This is what made it so evident that the Semi, the Cybertruck, and the Roadster will not arrive anytime soon, as optimistic as Tesla customers such as PepsiCo may be.

With Musk’s public dismissal of Semi deliveries in 2021, all that is left is to see what PepsiCo will do about that. Laguarta may admit he was wrong. He may also just avoid talking about it in hopes that people will eventually forget about it. A more extreme measure would be to cancel PepsiCo’s Semi orders and buy anything the competition can deliver right now. Volvo already sells the VNR Electric, and there are plenty of competitors about to hit the market.
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I thought Tesla wasn't affected by the chip shortage? That's what industry expert and non-Tesla owner comfy told us.
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Tesla cannot manage USB ports.
Tesla cannot manage rims. you have to buy one size bigger rims with extra cost.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/13/...hout-usb-ports
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BMW leadership concerned by Tesla

After Ford, it looks like it’s BMWs turn to reach the “oh sh**” moment. .

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BMW’s CEO Takes Another Swipe at Tesla, This Time on Quality

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November 10, 2021, 9:39 AM EST
  • German luxury carmaker has different standards, Zipse says
  • Price cuts are fueling Tesla’s growth, he tells conference



For the second time this year, BMW AG’s chief took a public dig at Tesla Inc., singling out quality and reliability as issues that set the Germany luxury automaker apart from the electric car leader.

Chief Executive Officer Oliver Zipse’s latest swipe echoed one in February when he cast doubt on Tesla’s ability to retain its EV crown in the face of competition. Since then, demand has continued to boom and Tesla’s Model 3 was Europe’s top-seller in September.

“Where we differ is our standard on quality and reliability,” Zipse said Wednesday at a Handelsblatt conference. “We have different aspirations on customer satisfaction.”

BMW unveiled two battery-powered models in recent weeks, the i4 sedan and iX SUV, and sales of plug-in hybrid and purely electric models nearly doubled to over 230,000 cars in the first nine months of the year. That still pales in comparison to Tesla shipping 241,300 cars during the third quarter alone.

“Tesla isn’t quite part of the premium segment,” said Zipse. “They’re growing very strongly via price reductions. We wouldn’t do that since you’ve got to last the distance.”

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Tesla is reducing prices, right…. Great.

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How that translates that to BMW is having a Oh Shit moment is beyond me... whatever makes you sleep at night on something that you dont even have...
Old 11-15-2021, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Comfy
After Ford, it looks like it’s BMWs turn to reach the “oh sh**” moment. .

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BMW’s CEO Takes Another Swipe at Tesla, This Time on Quality

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Elisabeth Behrmann

November 10, 2021, 9:39 AM EST
  • German luxury carmaker has different standards, Zipse says
  • Price cuts are fueling Tesla’s growth, he tells conference



For the second time this year, BMW AG’s chief took a public dig at Tesla Inc., singling out quality and reliability as issues that set the Germany luxury automaker apart from the electric car leader.

Chief Executive Officer Oliver Zipse’s latest swipe echoed one in February when he cast doubt on Tesla’s ability to retain its EV crown in the face of competition. Since then, demand has continued to boom and Tesla’s Model 3 was Europe’s top-seller in September.

“Where we differ is our standard on quality and reliability,” Zipse said Wednesday at a Handelsblatt conference. “We have different aspirations on customer satisfaction.”

BMW unveiled two battery-powered models in recent weeks, the i4 sedan and iX SUV, and sales of plug-in hybrid and purely electric models nearly doubled to over 230,000 cars in the first nine months of the year. That still pales in comparison to Tesla shipping 241,300 cars during the third quarter alone.

“Tesla isn’t quite part of the premium segment,” said Zipse. “They’re growing very strongly via price reductions. We wouldn’t do that since you’ve got to last the distance.”

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Tesla is reducing prices, right…. Great.
you do realize that he is concern about pirces of Chinese made Tesla inside China and Europe.
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“Where we differ is our standard on quality and reliability,” Zipse said Wednesday at a Handelsblatt conference. “We have different aspirations on customer satisfaction.”
​​​​​​​Hit the nail on the head. This is why he's the CEO of BMW group and comfy doesn't own a Tesla.
Old 11-15-2021, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
How that translates that to BMW is having a Oh Shit moment is beyond me... whatever makes you sleep at night on something that you dont even have...
All I see is a desperation. Why even bring Tesla to the topic otherwise???
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JPMorgan Chase & Co. sued Tesla Inc. seeking a $162 million payment related to a series of stock warrant transactions that were affected by Elon Musk’s short-lived attempt to take the carmaker private three years ago.

The biggest U.S. bank bought the warrants from Tesla in 2014 to help the automaker mitigate risk that its stock would be diluted by issuance of convertible notes, and to make certain federal income tax deductions, according to a complaint filed Monday in Manhattan federal court. When the warrants expired, Tesla would owe JPMorgan a payment of shares or cash if its stock traded above a certain strike price.

JPMorgan claims it had the discretion to adjust the strike price based on factors including the volatility of Tesla’s stock. The bank made two modifications in August 2018 — one after Musk tweeted that he had secured funding to take Tesla private, and another when the chief executive officer abandoned the effort weeks later.

Now that the warrants have expired, JPMorgan claims Tesla has shorted the bank what it’s due.

“Even though JPMorgan’s adjustments were appropriate and contractually required, Tesla has refused to settle at the contractual strike price and pay in full what it owes to JPMorgan,” the bank said in the complaint.

Tesla wrote JPMorgan in February 2019 to argue the adjustments the bank made six months earlier were “unreasonably swift and represented an opportunistic attempt to take advantage of changes in volatility in Tesla’s stock,” according to the complaint.

But JPMorgan claims Tesla didn’t make specific challenges to its calculations or back up its assertion, and hasn’t objected further in the last two years. Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment on the lawsuit.

The dispute dredges up one of Musk’s most controversial episodes. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission sued the CEO and Tesla in September 2018, alleging that Musk had committed securities fraud and the company lacked adequate controls of his social media activity.

Musk and Tesla each agreed to pay $20 million in a settlement without admitting wrongdoing. The CEO was forced to give up the role of board chairman for three years, and Tesla agreed to have a lawyer pre-approve material information Musk wants to communicate to investors.

The controls haven’t stopped Musk from stirring up controversy on Twitter. Early this month, he polled users on whether he should sell 10% of his Tesla stake. He’s offloaded about $7.8 billion of the company’s shares since then, precipitating a stock sell-off.

The case is JPMorgan Chase Bank v. Tesla Inc., 21-cv-09441, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
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Originally Posted by Comfy
All I see is a desperation. Why even bring Tesla to the topic otherwise???
People bring other competitors into their conversation everyday. does that mean everyone is desperate?

BMW is definitely focusing on Tesla in the EV segment and that is a fact. Since Tesla has has a good head start, it would be stupid not to study them.
As as far as total business rev, they are still on lower half of BMW's list.
Mercedes, and Audi are still top 2.

None of that is close to having a OH SHIT Moment, especially not because of Tesla.

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Originally Posted by oonowindoo

None of that is close to having a OH SHIT Moment, especially not because of Tesla.
Don’t worry. Denial is the precursor to that. .
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Shorts (especially with huge oil interests) gonna short. Nothing new with that. Now that is getting really close to “Oh sh..” .
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Don’t worry. Denial is the precursor to that. .
Says the person who doesnt even own any EV
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I don't know why Tesla reliability is really a debate? Didn't they take a big-hit this year on their reliability index?

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Tesla recently announced that it would be opening Supercharger use to other brands of EVs in a bid to increase revenue by billions. This is great news for owners of cars like the Porsche Taycan, as the EV giant has more than 25,000 of these charging stations across the globe. This is all part of the brand's aim to expand even further, but not everything the brand does always benefits the consumer.

The company has been constantly hiking the prices of a number of its vehicles and now the price it costs you to charge your car has been hiked too. But it's not an entirely bad thing.
To understand the pricing update, we first need to understand what the previous structure was like and why it needed updating. The former arrangement was that Tesla per-minute charging rates were split into two tiers, with Tier 1 representing all chargers that charge at or below 60 kW, while Tier 2 was for chargers that could do 61 kW and above.

Now there are four tiers. The cheapest per-minute cost is on Tier 1, where a 60-kW or lower charge is being supplied. Tier 2 now means chargers that work in the range of 61-100 kW, Tier 3 is 101 kW to 180 kW, and the most expensive is Tier 4, where you get 180 kW and above. These are obviously the quickest chargers.

This is great news for those who use lower charging rates, but those who were formerly paying what is now low- to mid-level pricing are paying up to four times as much. As the video above explains, the old system says the 0-60 kW range costs $0.12 per minute while 60 kW and up costs $0.24 a minute. With the new tiers, 0-60 kW is $0.17 per minute, 60-100 kW is $0.45 per minute, and 100-180 kW costs $0.84 per minute. The highest level of 180-250 kW now costs $1.35 per minute - which is certainly not cheap. What this translates to is that your pricing changes as your Tesla Model Y or other vehicle experiences varying charging curves. The bottom line is that charging has become both a lot cheaper and a lot more expensive at the same time.
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@civicdrivr dis u?

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The guy is whining on tweeter because he got a door ding?
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Probably can see his license. Call the police and be done with it
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i never understood people that open their doors like that. Ive seen it happen many times
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Damn, I've been caught. I usually spend my weekends in a 15 yr old Civic in Wisconsin driving around parking lots searching for a Tesla to dent.
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And wtf does that have to do with Tesla sales?
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And wtf does that have to do with Tesla sales?
Not sure if you noticed but Stunna and Comfy post whore in both this and the development thread at every opportunity. Must have been a slow news day.
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Not sure if you noticed but Stunna and Comfy post whore in both this and the development every thread at every opportunity. Must have been a slow news day.
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Old 11-22-2021, 10:33 AM
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But only the positive news. They are strangely silent when it comes to the bad news (like the recent app downtime that locked people out of their cars).
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
They are strangely silent when it comes to the bad news.
They post plenty of negative news, from anyone else other than Tesla.
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Call me a cynic, but for all the claims that Tesla doesn't spend any money on "advertisement", I'm convinced that they have hired a whole legion of paid "marketers" whose job is to go to every single online forum and make a post about Tesla, just to get its name out there.

It's funny that I see Stunna clones in just about every car forum out there.
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They most certainly did. Why do you think all these Tesla stans have their referral link in their bios?

Of course, to have a referral link means you need to own one, so Stunna and Comfy are doing the work out of the kindness of their hearts.
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But only the positive news. They are strangely silent when it comes to the bad news (like the recent app downtime that locked people out of their cars).
I'm super glad I was being a planet killer and driving my Jeep when that happened. Hadn't burned any gas in a while so I thought I'd burn a lot of it to make up for the lost time.

Originally Posted by civicdrivr
They most certainly did. Why do you think all these Tesla stans have their referral link in their bios?

Of course, to have a referral link means you need to own one, so Stunna and Comfy are doing the work out of the kindness of their hearts.
Referral links for cars don't get you anything anymore. Only referrals for the solar program. Thankfully I got in when they still handed out the free supercharging and the 1 year of connectivity.
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Originally Posted by biker
They post plenty of negative news, from anyone else other than Tesla.
There isn’t much positive news coming from that side anyways.

Originally Posted by civicdrivr
They most certainly did. Why do you think all these Tesla stans have their referral link in their bios?

Of course, to have a referral link means you need to own one, so Stunna and Comfy are doing the work out of the kindness of their hearts.
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To be honest, it didn’t look like the guy was purposely doing it anyway. Sure, he could have been little more careful.
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But only the positive news. They are strangely silent when it comes to the bad news (like the recent app downtime that locked people out of their cars).
You could still open the car with the key fob or key card, internet access isn't required to open the car, the app works in airplane mode with Bluetooth enabled.


Supposedly there's some old Model S/X that have Bluetooth but the signal isn't strong enough to work with the app so for a small portion of old models the Bluetooth doesn't work so you can remotely unlock them over the Internet. But this isn't an issue for any 3 or Y, and all more recent S/X, so like 99% of Teslas, and the key fob still worked for them.

This confirms what I've said before don't buy an old Model S/X
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
They most certainly did. Why do you think all these Tesla stans have their referral link in their bios?

Of course, to have a referral link means you need to own one, so Stunna and Comfy are doing the work out of the kindness of their hearts.
I had a referral link and the referral system ended a couple of months ago for vehicle purchases, it only applies to solar
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Originally Posted by BurnabyTSX
Call me a cynic, but for all the claims that Tesla doesn't spend any money on "advertisement", I'm convinced that they have hired a whole legion of paid "marketers" whose job is to go to every single online forum and make a post about Tesla, just to get its name out there.

It's funny that I see Stunna clones in just about every car forum out there.
I get paid handsomely when TSLA stock goes up.
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The guy is whining on tweeter because he got a door ding?
How is that any different than the dashcam from Amazon? As long as it records....
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How is that any different than the dashcam from Amazon? As long as it records....
Why post about it on twatter? It's a fucking door ding. Just handle it and move on.
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It is a door ding on a Tesla... that is a HUUUUGE deal... it was a miracle that a camera recorded it.. best invention ever!!

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Originally Posted by BurnabyTSX
Call me a cynic, but for all the claims that Tesla doesn't spend any money on "advertisement", I'm convinced that they have hired a whole legion of paid "marketers" whose job is to go to every single online forum and make a post about Tesla, just to get its name out there.

It's funny that I see Stunna clones in just about every car forum out there.
Great. Good to hear that every car forum has stunnas and comfys. . As said several times before we all get paid by TSLA stock growth . Funny thing is, you can still do that even when being completely negative about Tesla. I bet that Burnaby might have some TSLA stock as well. Congratulations on joining team Tesla.
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Why post about it on twatter? It's a fucking door ding. Just handle it and move on.
For attention, obviously.


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