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Old 01-04-2022, 12:19 PM
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I am sure Audi E tron and Model 3 quality and refinement at different level. It is like comparing Corrolla Sells to Audi Q7. i am surprized nothing from Hyundai group in top numbers.
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The first Tesla Megachargers have arrived at Frito-Lay’s facility in Modesto, California, just in time for the first Tesla Semis to be delivered to PepsiCo later this month.

We first learned this facility was going to be receiving Megachargers when permit applications for their installation were uncovered in May last year.

In November the permit was finally issued, with Tesla beginning construction just a few weeks later.

Another big step in the construction process took place today with the unboxing of the first Megachargers.

In photos taken this afternoon and provided exclusively to Drive Tesla by one of our readers Ben Blackburn, we can see one Megacharger out in the open ready to be installed, with another two still in their packaging.
All of the electrical appears to have been completed, with a bank of 8 Green Line High Efficiency Transformers, Megacharger boxes, and control/breaker cabinets for the system already installed.

A large Megapack battery storage system has also been installed.
Based on the configuration of the Giga Nevada Megachargers, it looks like this one will have 4 stalls once the work has been completed.

Tesla Megacharger Power Output

Tesla has previously said the Megachargers will deliver peak rates of up to 1 megawatt (MW). In what is becoming a familiar pattern, the automaker seems to have sandbagged that estimate.

According to information provided to Drive Tesla, the Megachargers will actually charge at up 1.5MW, 50% higher than originally anticipated.

Delivering that much power generates a lot of heat, so in order to keep things manageable the system will use new immersion cooling technology, the exact details of which couldn’t be shared at this time.

PepsiCo Tesla Semi Deliveries

PepsiCo surprised everyone with a press release in March 2021 saying they were going be taking delivery of 15 Tesla Semis before the end of the year.

Then in November PepsiCo CEO Ramon Laguarta reiterated the position, even though Tesla had said production of the Semi had been delayed until 2023 due to supply constraints.

After receiving these photos we were able to confirm with one of our sources that PepsiCo has been told to expect to receive all 15 Tesla Semis before the end of January.

Tesla has been manufacturing them since early December at Giga Nevada. Two brand new Semis were spotted outside the factory this week.
Tesla Megachargers arrive at Frito-Lay facility ahead of January Semi deliveries - Drive Tesla (driveteslacanada.ca)

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Old 01-07-2022, 11:52 AM
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I was told the semis arrive by the end of 2021. Now it's end of January or is it 2023? It's always two more weeks out. There are tons of people who ordered a Model X a year ago who still haven't gotten their car and no word for when it would arrive.

In all seriousness, this is awesome. Trucking is one industry where EV is an immense step forward and, for things like local distribution, it's honestly the best application of EV technology today. I'm excited and happy to see it come to fruition...whenever these things finally show up that is.

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I really hope the Semi works out and can put a dent into diesel emissions.
Old 01-09-2022, 04:43 AM
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A cheap vehicle that will kill you in the event of even a door ding? Hard pass.
Renault Zoe is competing with Model 3. Very strong brand identity.


https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/08...6-in-december/
Old 01-09-2022, 08:04 PM
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The Renault Zoe would kill both my and my family in the event of a crash. If you don't give a shit about the safety of your significant other or your kids then that's your own problem. I tend to value safety quite a lot.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Renault Zoe is competing with Model 3. Very strong brand identity.


https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/08...6-in-december/
You are a very good entertainer. I applaud and bow to you.
Old 01-10-2022, 12:22 AM
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The Renault Zoe would kill both my and my family in the event of a crash. If you don't give a shit about the safety of your significant other or your kids then that's your own problem. I tend to value safety quite a lot.
i know people still buy it. imagine if China start building Renault Zoe and sent to Europe. sells will multiply.

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I, again, don't give a shit about how many they sell. If you overwhelmingly support and push a car that would kill you and your family in a crash then that says a lot about who you are as a person.
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Pepsi wanted those Semis before the Super Bowl so they could make an ad talking about how green they are now...
Old 01-10-2022, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Pepsi wanted those Semis before the Super Bowl so they could make an ad talking about how green they are now...
You said for sure by the end of the year which was 10 days ago. Where dem semis????
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Apparently, if you build it, they may not come @Comfy :

Depending on who you talk to, electric vehicles are either on the verge of going mainstream, or they already are. There's certainly a push from most automakers to go electric, but are buyers in the United States ready for that step? A recent study from Deloitte suggests the answer is no for a majority of new car shoppers. At least not right away.

Deloitte has offered a deep-dive report on the global automotive landscape since 2010, and this year's study takes a look at electrification, among other things. More than 26,000 people in 25 countries were surveyed, and the takeaway for US new car shoppers is that internal combustion still rules the day. 69 percent of those surveyed said they want a gasoline or diesel engine without any electrification in their next new car. 17 percent are okay with a traditional hybrid, but only 5 percent are interested in a plug-in hybrid. Similarly, 5 percent said they would consider a pure EV. 4 percent are listed as choosing "other."

With the popularity of fullsize pickup trucks in the US market, the data certainly isn't out-of-place. That's especially true considering there are very few options for hybrid or electric trucks, with the Ford F-150 Lightning and Chevrolet Silverado EV being unveiled only recently and still not available for purchase.

US buyers aren't the only ones still favoring a combustion-powered car for the near future. The survey lists Southeast Asia as 66 percent for gas or diesel cars, with India and China both coming in at 58 percent. Germany trends the other direction at 49 percent, followed by Japan at 39 percent. South Korea is the most electric-friendly region with only 37 percent choosing internal combustion for future vehicle purchases. Even then, only 24 percent favor a pure EV, versus 35 percent for some form of hybrid.

The survey identifies concerns over range and charging networks as primary reasons for buyers shying away from electricity. However, with several automakers pledging to offer electric-only vehicles in the next 10 or so years, buyers may soon have little choice when it comes to a new car purchase
Over Two-Thirds Of Americans Don't Want A Hybrid Or EV: Study (motor1.com)
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I, again, don't give a shit about how many they sell. If you overwhelmingly support and push a car that would kill you and your family in a crash then that says a lot about who you are as a person.
i am only showing you that electric vehicles buyers are mostly irrational.
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i am only showing you that electric vehicles buyers are mostly irrational.
So are the people who are buying the $100k Rav4, $75k MDX. and the people who are trying to justify by posting useless pictures.
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i am only showing you that electric vehicles buyers are mostly irrational.
I'd say that the guy pushing a death trap as a better vehicle than a safe one would be the irrational person.
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I’d assume that study was funded by the oil / Legacy automotive cartel. .
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As an Afro-American, Valerie Capers Workman must have been at odds defending Tesla against Owen Diaz. Courts ruled that the former contract worker was a racism victim and that Tesla should pay him $136.9 million for emotional distress and punitive damages. The vice president of people said it was unfair. Now, Workman is leaving Tesla.
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The now-former Tesla executive told Bloomberg she would join career-network firm Handshake next week as CLO (chief legal officer). As exciting a business as it may be, the move suggests that working for Tesla carries a burden that the standard speech of gratitude for the lessons learned fails to hide.

After all, Tesla’s market cap classifies it as one of the most valuable companies in the world. The EV maker is opening two factories this year, one in Grünheide, Germany, and one in Austin, Texas. For a human resources executive in a top position, this would be a challenge to live for. Yet, Workman gave up on it to join a much smaller company.

It may have to do with Workman’s professional goals. She joined Tesla as an attorney in 2018 and became the vice president of people in July 2020, reporting directly to Elon Musk. As the new CLO of Handshake, she is back to what made her join Tesla in the first place.

Whatever her reasons were, the fact is that Tesla now needs a new vice president for people very close to opening these two new plants. Hiring people for Grünheide has proven to be a massive challenge. The company is at odds with the influential German metalworkers union, and it is offering candidates a 20% lower wage in exchange for stock options and bonuses.

In the U.S., Tesla is being sued for racism and sexual harassment cases in Fremont. A Tesla employee murdered another worker in the Fremont parking lot on December 13. Regardless of why Workman decided to leave Tesla, it is clear she did not manage to improve things while she was in charge. We’ll watch closely if the ones who accept replacing her will be more successful.
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Old 01-11-2022, 01:02 PM
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So are the people who are buying the $100k Rav4, $75k MDX. and the people who are trying to justify by posting useless pictures.
nope. these people are buying high quality vehicles with long life span. infact Toyota UK is now giving 10 year warranties on regular car components and 15 years on hybrid batteries.
Try tesla with 15 year batttery warranty?. in next 10 years battery replacement costs may reach over $100K.
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Uh huh...shocking!

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I thought it was end of Jan....
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I thought it was end of Jan....
Wrong truck, the first Semi delivery is supposed to be by the end of the month.
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Oh yah... we are still talking about that vaporware?
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Oh yah... we are still talking about that vaporware?
Honda ain't got shit on Tesla for vaporware 🥱
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Wrong truck, the first Semi delivery is supposed to be by the end of the month.
Two more weeks.
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Biker, who is wondering what ranking @Comfy would guess at next year for the Y.

Yes, it’s true that the Ford F-150 remained the most popular vehicle sold in America last year. No surprise. It has been for 40 years. In fact, the F-150 was the most popular new and used vehicle sold in America last year. Ford moved 726,004 F-150s out showroom doors in 2021, making it the top seller by over 150,000 units. The Ram 1500 finally moved up from third to second with 569,388 and the Chevrolet Silverado fell to third with 519,774.

Of course, if you combine Chevy Silverado’s 519,774 and GMC Sierra’s 248,924, you get 768,698, which beats Ford by over 40,000 units. So General Motors beat Ford, but only if you think of the Silverado and Sierra as the same thing, which they kind of are. The marketing departments don’t want you to think so, but the sales guys do. Go ahead and debate that amongst yourselves for the rest of the day.

Last year was the first time a Tesla—yes a Tesla—cracked the top 20 best-selling vehicles in the country. The humble crossover Model Y snuck in at 178,732 sales in 2021, an impressive feat for anyone who has been following Tesla’s rise to manufacturing competence over the years. Here’s the list of 2021 new vehicle sales in the U.S., as gathered by Cox Automotive:
  1. Ford F-150—726,004 sold
  2. Ram 1500—569,388 sold
  3. Chevy Silverado—519,774 sold
  4. Toyota RAV4—407,739 sold
  5. Honda CR-V361,271 sold
  6. Toyota Camry—313,795 sold
  7. Nissan Rogue—285,602 sold
  8. Jeep Grand Cherokee—264,444 sold
  9. Toyota Highlander—264,128 sold
  10. Honda Civic—263,787 sold
  11. Toyota Tacoma—252,520 sold
  12. Toyota Corolla—248,993 sold
  13. GMC Sierra—248,924 sold
  14. Ford Explorer—219,871
  15. Jeep Wrangler—204,609 sold
  16. Honda Accord—202,676 sold
  17. Tesla Model Y—178,732 sold
  18. Mazda CX-5—168,448 sold
  19. Chevy Equinox—165,323 sold
  20. Subaru Forester—154,723 sold
What Is the Most Popular Vehicle Sold in Your State? Or in the Country? (autoweek.com)
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^ The Equinox is probably the most shocking in the top 20. Don't see a ton of them on the road anymore, around here.
The rest are about as expected, with the Y being the probably 2nd most surprising after the Equinox.
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What Is the Most Popular Vehicle Sold in Your State? Or in the Country? (autoweek.com)
I’d say around 450-500k Model Ys will be sold in USA depending on the ramp up of Giga Texas factory. That’ll place it in 3rd/4th place.
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Assuming they can get the parts they need & shorten wait times.
I think it's not overly optimistic to expect closer to 300k if they can churn them out quickly enough.
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All I’d say is Model Y will probably be at the top of cars / SUVS sold (but excluding pick up trucks).
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
^ The Equinox is probably the most shocking in the top 20. Don't see a ton of them on the road anymore, around here.
The rest are about as expected, with the Y being the probably 2nd most surprising after the Equinox.
If this includes fleet sales then that would explain the Equinox. It's a favorite for rental cars and company cars.

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I’d say around 450-500k Model Ys will be sold in USA depending on the ramp up of Giga Texas factory. That’ll place it in 3rd/4th place.
They don't have the production capacity for that even if they had the parts to do it. The Austin factory has a max output of 500k units a year in an ideal situation. With all the variables that go into that (parts, staffing, covid, supply chain, design, commissioning, breakdowns, issues, etc) it's not ever likely they will meet or sustain that output for any appreciable amount of time. Most factories run at 75-85% capacity in general unless there's a temporary surge need for more.

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All I’d say is Model Y will probably be at the top of cars / SUVS sold (but excluding pick up trucks).
Doubt it, they can't make enough to get them there and the factory isn't even done yet. Month one is almost over so they've already lost.
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^ Didn't consider Fleet sales. That makes more sense.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
If this includes fleet sales then that would explain the Equinox. It's a favorite for rental cars and company cars.



They don't have the production capacity for that even if they had the parts to do it. The Austin factory has a max output of 500k units a year in an ideal situation. With all the variables that go into that (parts, staffing, covid, supply chain, design, commissioning, breakdowns, issues, etc) it's not ever likely they will meet or sustain that output for any appreciable amount of time. Most factories run at 75-85% capacity in general unless there's a temporary surge need for more.



Doubt it, they can't make enough to get them there and the factory isn't even done yet. Month one is almost over so they've already lost.
Did you forget that Fremont also makes model Y (and that is also expanding BTW). I’m talking about a combined total output. Nothing is lost. I’m still optimistic.
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Did you forget that Fremont also makes model Y (and that is also expanding BTW). I’m talking about a combined total output. Nothing is lost. I’m still optimistic.
They are transferring that to Austin, that was the whole point.
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I’d say around 450-500k Model Ys will be sold in USA depending on the ramp up of Giga Texas factory. That’ll place it in 3rd/4th place.
Here's the tough one: when they don't make that goal, the excuse will be.....................
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What Is the Most Popular Vehicle Sold in Your State? Or in the Country? (autoweek.com)
I will say Tesla has done a great job with Model Y in terms of sales. Normally i would say a lot of positive things. But then Comfy will come in and tell us that Model Y will be #1 by Q2 2023.
So i will just save it...
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I’d say around 450-500k Model Ys will be sold in USA depending on the ramp up of Giga Texas factory. That’ll place it in 3rd/4th place.
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I will say Tesla has done a great job with Model Y in terms of sales. Normally i would say a lot of positive things. But then Comfy will come in and tell us that Model Y will be #1 by Q2 2023.
So i will just save it...

damn I even knew it before i even read his post
So 500k by end of 2022 and by Q2 2023 700k... sounds about "right"
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Here's the tough one: when they don't make that goal, the excuse will be.....................
No excuse needed. Just keep moving the goalpost and they are always on time, everytime.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
They are transferring that to Austin, that was the whole point.
Eventually yes, but not at the expense of potentially losing sales. I’d assume that they’ll continue production at both sites for now, until they are satisfied with the volume and rate of production at Austin.
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only 178K Model Y?. it means Tesla Fremont cannot make much more than 350K vehicles. As price rises of Tesla EVs faster than ICE vehicles. expect to see downward slope.
Honda HRV that is Mexico built has 137K US sales. even a low cost plant can achieve so much. and that is not even efficient hybrid like those in Europe.
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