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Old 01-25-2022, 06:29 PM
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I think this is a good idea... let's see how Tesla will like it now.

If you are gonna name it something like Auto-Pilot or Full Self-driving, then put $ where your mouth is.


Users of self-driving cars should have immunity from a wide range of motoring offences, including dangerous driving, speeding and jumping red lights, Britain’s law commissions have jointly recommended.

The Law Commission for England and Wales and the Scottish Law Commission propose creation of an Automated Vehicles Act to reflect the “profound legal consequences” of self-driving cars. The person in the driving seat would no longer responsible for how the car drives; instead, the company or body that obtained authorisation for the self-driving vehicle would face regulatory sanctions if anything went wrong.
In a summary of the report, published on Wednesday, the commissions say: “While a vehicle is driving itself, we do not think that a human should be required to respond to events in the absence of a transition demand (a requirement for the driver to take control). It is unrealistic to expect someone who is not paying attention to the road to deal with (for example) a tyre blow-out or a closed road sign. Even hearing ambulance sirens will be difficult for those with a hearing impairment or listening to loud music.”

The report says that there should be a clear distinction between driver support and self-driving and that a vehicle should only be classified as the latter if it is safe even when an individual is not monitoring the driving environment, the vehicle or the way that it drives.

The commissions say it should be permissible for an autonomous car to create a transition demand for the driver to take control if it confronts an issue it cannot deal with but it must make the demand in a clear fashion, give the individual sufficient time to respond and be able to mitigate the risk if a human fails to take over, by at least coming to a stop.

In the US, Tesla’s self-driving technology, sold under the brand names Autopilot and Full Self-Driving, have been involved in multiple crashes, including several fatalities, when neither the system nor the driver intervened. The US Department of Vehicles is reviewing Tesla’s use of the term “full self-driving”. In Britain, the commissions recommend new safeguards to stop driver assistance features from being marketed as self-driving.

Public law commissioner Nicholas Paines QC said the recommendations presented “an unprecedented opportunity to promote public acceptance of automated vehicles”.

Transport minister Trudy Harrison said: “The development of self-driving vehicles in the UK has the potential to revolutionise travel, making every day journeys safer, easier and greener.

“This government has been encouraging development and deployment of these technologies to understand their benefits. However, we must ensure we have the right regulations in place, based upon safety and accountability, in order to build public confidence. That’s why the department funded this independent report.”

Under the recommendations, which will now be considered by the respective governments, the user-in-charge of a self-driving vehicle would still retain responsibilities such as such as carrying insurance and ensuring that children wear seatbelts. Where vehicles are authorised to drive themselves without anyone in the driver seat, a licensed operator would be responsible for overseeing the journey.
Old 01-25-2022, 10:26 PM
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thanks, which models?
​​​​​​Hyundai Creta & Venue, Kia Seltos & Carnival, and MG ZS EV.
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Bruh…
Rich Rebuilds is just another Tesla hater, don't you know that?

Welcome to 2015, when Tesla stopped allowing salvaged Teslas to connect to its Supercharger network - that is still the policy to this day.

Biker, who thinks the Right to Repair crowd is in for a rude awakening going against Tesla and other automakers.
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Tesla announced Q4 2021 financial results with impressive figures, essentially beating analysts’ expectations by a margin. Later on, Elon Musk took the stage to brief the investors on the company’s plans. Down on the chopping board went the $25,000 affordable EV that Musk “sold” to investors two years ago, among other things.
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Elon Musk was a lot less bullish than he used to be on an average earnings call, and the most important thing we learned is that Tesla is freezing everything for now. Forget the Roadster, forget the Cybertruck, and, sadly, forget the affordable compact EV we were hoping for. Tesla seems content with the state of affairs right now, expecting to sell a lot more of the already expensive Model Y and pretty much nothing else.

Musk blamed the chip shortage for this bleak perspective, but in fact, he wanted to say that Tesla got the taste of the money and a $25,000 car is no longer appealing. The vehicle market is already at a record high and Tesla raised its vehicles’ prices several times. The Model Y starts now at $54,000 and Tesla is still struggling to fulfill the high demand. Why go for a cheaper vehicle when it already has all the market it can address and then some?

“We’re not currently working on the $25,000 car,” Musk said while answering a question regarding a lower-priced Tesla for mainstream consumers. ”At some point, we will. We have enough on our plate right now. Too much on our plate, frankly.”

This essentially means there will never be a $25,000 Tesla, just like there was never a $35,000 Tesla Model 3. Elon Musk is famous for his “overpromise, underdeliver” approach. Ruling out completely the $25,000 car means it’s dead for good. And he’s right on one thing, too: the market is heading in a direction where we will most likely not see a $25,000 vehicle of any kind soon.

Elon Musk emphasized during the earnings call that Tesla will continue to focus on the products that are the most profitable. These are the Model Y, the Full Self-Driving suite, and, possibly, the Tesla Semi. Tesla will be flooding the market this year with Model Y crossovers coming out of four Gigafactories – Fremont, Austin, Shanghai, and Berlin. So, you see, there are few incentives for a cheaper and, no doubt, less profitable car.
Tesla Scraps Plan To Build an Affordable $25,000 EV, It Doesn't Make Sense - autoevolution

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Old 01-27-2022, 10:32 AM
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Gee....muskrat lied? Shocking!

I guess he's not that concerned with the environment after all. It turns out that its really all about the money. I'm so shocked and disappointed by lord Elon.
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Watching the stans on the Tesla forums perform mental gymnastics on that announcement is hilarious. Excuses range from "Musk isn't just in it for the money" (lol) to "their cars are priced the way they are because they're at capacity in their factories, they're only charging what people would pay" (also lol).
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...im looking forward to our resident stans' rationalizations.

IF evs ever become affordable, I guess it will be up to Hyundai.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Watching the stans on the Tesla forums perform mental gymnastics on that announcement is hilarious. Excuses range from "Musk isn't just in it for the money" (lol) to "their cars are priced the way they are because they're at capacity in their factories, they're only charging what people would pay" (also lol).

Kinda remind me of a group of ppl we are all familiar with....
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...im looking forward to our resident stans' rationalizations.

IF evs ever become affordable, I guess it will be up to Hyundai.

The comfortable ones: "affordable is subjective, it is not Elon's fault that most of you cannot afford a Model Y and its monthly price hike. $54k is the new $25k. Get used to it! Now, let me go fuel up my RDX at Arco"
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But, but, but...what about the environment? More people in evs means cleaner environment, right? Oh wait, I forgot, lord Elon is just in it for the fat stax of cash.

But I'm sure the comfortable one will be fine with it. Only the affluent peeps can get the environment cleaned up anyway.
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anyone who believed Elon is in this for the environment needs to get their head checked ASAP....
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Wasn't the comfortable one telling us all about how the $25k Tesla was going to change the world and outsell every car on the planet in a matter of two months?

Also, I didn't buy an EV for the environmental benefits. I bought one because it's fun to drive, cheap to run, and fast as fawk.
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He told us a lot of BS in the past 2 years... So far all fictions. My amazon wish list is more realistic than his claims.
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He told us a lot of BS in the past 2 years... So far all fictions. My amazon wish list is more realistic than his claims.
Has he ever fed us anything that isn't BS? I honestly can't think of anything.
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I think he agreed that the grid can't handle 100% EV use at this time, but I can't remember how long ago that was.
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Originally Posted by Comfy
I didn’t know I was this infamous.
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Old 01-28-2022, 05:39 AM
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Tesla is still battery and production constrained. Their waiting list is already about an year long. What’s the point in introducing another (cheaper or not) vehicle? They should concentrate on getting the current models out until the market saturates and prices stabilize. Of course the government efforts to incentivize automakers raise price to $80k didn’t help.

Even if by some miracle Tesla were able to sell a $25 car now, it’ll be immediately resold (for a hefty profit) by the customers who get it early. That’s how the market is now.

You tell me what you would be doing regarding the cheaper car if you were in this position???

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Wait, is Comfy starting to make sense now and not be a total EV/Tesla shill?
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Originally Posted by biker
Tesla Scraps Plan To Build an Affordable $25,000 EV, It Doesn't Make Sense - autoevolution

Biker, who can't wait to hear the comments from Comfy on this one.
All I’m saying is that the average selling price of a vehicle in US is north of $45k. Therefore Tesla is concentrating its efforts to push out cars in that price range. It doesn’t make financial sense trying to build a sell a cheaper car at this point. They will (and should) do the cheaper car once they have gained sufficient market share in total car market (not just EVs) with the 3s and Ys. That’ll likely happen in 2023. I assume the $25k car will become appealing then.
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It doesn't make sense because it's not what the shareholders (and Elon) want.

If they really want EVs to take over, they need to make it more accessible. There is still a large population of car buyers that simply cannot afford a car beyond $30k. If you want the masses to drive them, make them accessible to the masses.
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Originally Posted by Comfy
Tesla is still battery and production constrained. Their waiting list is already about an year long. What’s the point in introducing another (cheaper or not) vehicle? They should concentrate on getting the current models out until the market saturates and prices stabilize. Of course the government efforts to incentivize automakers raise price to $80k didn’t help.

Even if by some miracle Tesla were able to sell a $25 car now, it’ll be immediately resold (for a hefty profit) by the customers who get it early. That’s how the market is now.

You tell me what you would be doing regarding the cheaper car if you were in this position???
I agree with all of this. The unfortunate part is that this is not the song you were singing just a little while ago.
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People are allowed to evolve and change their views
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
People are allowed to evolve and change their views
thank you.


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It doesn't make sense because it's not what the shareholders (and Elon) want.

If they really want EVs to take over, they need to make it more accessible. There is still a large population of car buyers that simply cannot afford a car beyond $30k. If you want the masses to drive them, make them accessible to the masses.
But no batteries for that much volume of vehicles and as I said even if they price it somehow at 25k it will be resold at much more than 35k immediately, making the whole process futile. Essentially the new car owners will act like mark up dealerships unless the demand has been reasonably and quickly fulfilled. So Tesla will get there eventually once they demonstrate their ability to scale up more than a couple of million vehicles produced locally.
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thank you.
But not you.

Originally Posted by Comfy
But no batteries for that much volume of vehicles and as I said even if they price it somehow at 25k it will be resold at much more than 35k immediately, making the whole process futile. Essentially the new car owners will act like mark up dealerships unless the demand has been reasonably and quickly fulfilled. So Tesla will get there eventually once they demonstrate their ability to scale up more than a couple of million vehicles produced locally.
I agree with this. However, Elon did say that the $25k likely wouldn't happen at all.
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Originally Posted by Comfy
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But no batteries for that much volume of vehicles and as I said even if they price it somehow at 25k it will be resold at much more than 35k immediately, making the whole process futile. Essentially the new car owners will act like mark up dealerships unless the demand has been reasonably and quickly fulfilled. So Tesla will get there eventually once they demonstrate their ability to scale up more than a couple of million vehicles produced locally.
nice try. But this isn't why your king is not going to produce affordable evs.

Go read the article again.
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Initial Peek at the Tesla Model S Plaid Thermal System

Some incremental improvements to the S HVAC heat pump and some of the underpinnings
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I agree with all of this. The unfortunate part is that this is not the song you were singing just a little while ago.
He backpaddled so fast that he is already back on shore.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
He backpaddled so fast that he is already back on shore.
what exactly did I backpaddle?

Originally Posted by civicdrivr
But not you.

I agree with this. However, Elon did say that the $25k likely wouldn't happen at all.
Elon is wrong because he didn’t check with Comfy before saying that.
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What is your excuse for Cybertruck then? i am sure those are over 25k...
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
What is your excuse for Cybertruck then? i am sure those are over 25k...

This

The production of Cybertruck would be slower than that for Model Y at least in the first year. It’ll use almost double the batteries as well. So in effect they’ll be selling much fewer cars than otherwise.
Aren’t you guys chiding right now that legacy can make more vehicles (even though ICE) in a weekend what Tesla makes in a quarter? Well that status has to change first, and that can only happen with Model 3&Y production ramping up in the next two years. They already know how to make them profitably and have the necessary equipment for that, even though batteries are still the limiting factor.

Then Tesla can make as many different models it wants including the semi, Cybertruck, and $25k one.

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This is straight up Trumpism except with Tesla. They don't want to stop selling one model to make another. They're playing 4D chess, us peons wouldn't understand.


OR

They don't have the parts, space, people, expertise, etc to design and manufacture another car.
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Or they didn’t anticipate supply chains etc and got caught with their pants down, but decided to spin it so peeps like the comfortable could accept it.
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You can call it whatever you want, but one thing is for sure. Right now, all hands are rightfully on the deck for Model Y and 3 ramp, and one of them (likely Y) will become the world’s best selling car within 1-2 years.
The game with premium automakers is already over (in the next few months, for most of them anyways), the question is when will Tesla pass the legacy mainstream bigwigs such as Toyota, VW, Ford, GM, Honda, Stellantis, Hyundai/Kia, etc in total sales (including ICE).
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Full Self-Driving is a controversial technology right now, but things are expected to change. According to an Elon Musk tweet, FSD will be so advanced that other carmakers will have to license it from Tesla. This will be a very lucrative line of business for the American EV maker.
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Tesla is not the only producer that pledges to bring autonomous driving vehicles on the roads. At this time, Tesla does not seem very advanced either, with FSD not being certified for Level 3 autonomy. By contrast, Mercedes-Benz certified the S-Class for Level 3 autonomous driving, and Honda did the same in Japan with the Legend. Yet, Elon Musk is convinced Tesla will crack Level 4 by 2023, and that FSD will be at least 2-3 times better than a human at avoiding accidents.

In a reply to a Twitter topic by Steven Mark Ryan, Elon Musk said Tesla is probably “five years or more” ahead of any other company in solving the autonomous driving problem. The exchange continued with Steven saying most of them will realize Tesla’s lead is unassailable and just license Tesla’s tech. “After all, when Tesla has data showing FSD is 2x, 5x, 10x safer than human and second place isn’t even at human-level…. is licensing FSD really a choice or an obligation?”, writes Steven. This didn’t go in the wind, as Musk confirmed “Tesla will support FSD licensing by other manufacturers.”

Tesla licensing the FSD technology is a major point, opening a new revenue line for the company that could be worth trillions. And yet, Elon Musk favoring FSD over hard things like the Cybertruck or the $25,000 car was a disappointment at the company’s earnings call. People still have a hard time comprehending autonomous driving is way bigger than any vehicle any carmaker might bring to the table.

And could be big not just for the car industry, but also for other companies, ranging from the military to robotics. It could have such profound implications that it would change everything we know about the world today. If it cracks the autonomy problem, Tesla will sit on huge piles of money.

Remember the days when people were convinced Tesla would never turn a profit and go bankrupt? Those days are gone, and so there will be a moment when “FSD is vaporware” will be behind us as well.
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