Subaru: BRZ News
12-06-2011 | 04:17 PM
#81
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I have driven the Gen coupe 2.0t (though it was an automatic) and I don't deny that Subaru handles better and might even be faster in a straight line in stock form. But as of now, I can't see how the 24K starting price tag is justified. I will have to see one in person.
I guess the Scion will be the cheaper entry level version?
I guess the Scion will be the cheaper entry level version?
I know you are saying you can't justify the 24k and a car that only makes 200hp today at a 24k price is quite steep. But you haven't seen the standards list yet, maybe it will impress. I mean navi leather wrapped steering wheel, soft touch dash, all seem like a nice start for some of the stuff they released?
But then again, I bet they will be putting a price on the "handling" too so features and powertrain aside you probably won't find 24k worth in that.
I'm with civicdrvr, I'm not a huge fan of the genesis. Looks wise, I think the BRZ beats it too. I love the rear of the genesis, but the front doesn't do it. Although I saw spy shots/photoshop of that velosterish front end of the 13' genesis, and I gotta say I really liked that.
12-06-2011 | 04:20 PM
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So according to autoblog that little wing is not standard. Its gonna come as a performance/aerodynamic option.
Which includes some under body panels as well? Or different under body panels. Something like that.
And they're both functional, that they reduce drag to .27.
Which includes some under body panels as well? Or different under body panels. Something like that.
And they're both functional, that they reduce drag to .27.
12-06-2011 | 04:36 PM
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I would choose a BRZ over a Gen Coupe any day. Never been crazy about the GC's styling, before or after the facelift.
For what it is, it's impossible to make the GC as light as the BRZ will be. You're talking 500+ lbs. They're apples and oranges anyway, the main competitor will be the MX-5 which only puts out 170 horsepower at the crank. It remains to be seen if a stock BRZ/GT-86 (I refuse to believe that's going to be the Toyota's name) will be just as fun to drive as a Miata though....
For what it is, it's impossible to make the GC as light as the BRZ will be. You're talking 500+ lbs. They're apples and oranges anyway, the main competitor will be the MX-5 which only puts out 170 horsepower at the crank. It remains to be seen if a stock BRZ/GT-86 (I refuse to believe that's going to be the Toyota's name) will be just as fun to drive as a Miata though....
12-06-2011 | 09:50 PM
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The new Subaru BRZ coupé will have the lowest centre of gravity of any production car when it goes on sale next summer, according to the manufacturer.
The BRZ’s rear-wheel-drive configuration has meant that Subaru's compact 2.0-litre Boxer engine can be mounted even lower in the chassis than would normally be permissible in the manufacturer's conventional four-wheel-drive layout.
See Autocar's exclusive image of the Subaru BRZ
Despite being co-developed with Toyota, the vast majority of the engineering work has been undertaken by Subaru; although the company has confirmed that the BRZ's flat-four unit will incorporate a Toyota direct fuel-injection system.
Power outputs, however, will differ with a Subaru-spec ECU liberating the BRZ’s power to “less than 300bhp,” compared with the FT-86’s 200bhp figure.
Details of the car’s final spec remain under wraps - even Subaru's UK new MD admitted to Autocar that he'd only seen a clay model of the finished product - but insiders suggest that the grille and bumpers will differentiate the RBZ from its Toyota-badged sibling.
A roadster version could yet play a part in future model plans, but a topless car is ‘under consideration’ rather than developmental reality.
Subaru insists that no costing strategy has been established, but with the Volkswagen Scirocco confirmed as the main rival, expect the RBZ’s price tag to land somewhere in the current coupé ballpark.
The lack of a final figure - or even an image of the production car - has apparently not dissuaded Subaru fans from already registering their interest with the company's dealership network.
While the new 2+2 coupé is expected to fill a healthy new niche for the manufacturer, Subaru UK has made it clear that it intends to focus much of its energy on 'lifestyle' products, such as the new XV crossover, as it looks to achieve a sales target of 7500 units in 2012.
The Subaru BRZ will be unveiled at the Tokyo show next month.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...aspx?AR=259739
The BRZ’s rear-wheel-drive configuration has meant that Subaru's compact 2.0-litre Boxer engine can be mounted even lower in the chassis than would normally be permissible in the manufacturer's conventional four-wheel-drive layout.
See Autocar's exclusive image of the Subaru BRZ
Despite being co-developed with Toyota, the vast majority of the engineering work has been undertaken by Subaru; although the company has confirmed that the BRZ's flat-four unit will incorporate a Toyota direct fuel-injection system.
Power outputs, however, will differ with a Subaru-spec ECU liberating the BRZ’s power to “less than 300bhp,” compared with the FT-86’s 200bhp figure.
Details of the car’s final spec remain under wraps - even Subaru's UK new MD admitted to Autocar that he'd only seen a clay model of the finished product - but insiders suggest that the grille and bumpers will differentiate the RBZ from its Toyota-badged sibling.
A roadster version could yet play a part in future model plans, but a topless car is ‘under consideration’ rather than developmental reality.
Subaru insists that no costing strategy has been established, but with the Volkswagen Scirocco confirmed as the main rival, expect the RBZ’s price tag to land somewhere in the current coupé ballpark.
The lack of a final figure - or even an image of the production car - has apparently not dissuaded Subaru fans from already registering their interest with the company's dealership network.
While the new 2+2 coupé is expected to fill a healthy new niche for the manufacturer, Subaru UK has made it clear that it intends to focus much of its energy on 'lifestyle' products, such as the new XV crossover, as it looks to achieve a sales target of 7500 units in 2012.
The Subaru BRZ will be unveiled at the Tokyo show next month.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...aspx?AR=259739
12-06-2011 | 10:08 PM
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Look at the date...
everything more recent says the BRZ is 200hp, confirmed.
TOyota says 197 hp though.
The difference between the cars, well one of the few is that the spring rates differ. That and the interiors are slightly different.
everything more recent says the BRZ is 200hp, confirmed.
TOyota says 197 hp though.
The difference between the cars, well one of the few is that the spring rates differ. That and the interiors are slightly different.
03-01-2012 | 11:14 PM
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http://jalopnik.com/5865228/subaru-c...rbocharged-brz
Subaru confirms BRZ turbo engine but wont admit its going into the BRZ....
Subaru confirms BRZ turbo engine but wont admit its going into the BRZ....
They are in the wild!!!
03-13-2012 | 12:15 PM
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Only 6,000 being brought to U.S. according to C&D with pre-orders being taken now.
C&D:
C&D:
Driving purists of America, act fast: It seems just 6000 Subaru BRZ sports cars will be allocated to the U.S. for the 2013 model year. The specific number comes to us from a Subaru dealer; the automaker’s consumer web site merely states that the rear-drive-only BRZ will be built in “extremely limited quantities.”
When asked for comment, Subaru representatives wouldn’t confirm the figure, but the company had previously stated that the business case for the sports coupe required 5000 to 7000 to be sold at around $25,000—what we didn’t know at that time was that availability here would be capped. Although pre-orders are now being accepted, U.S. pricing for the BRZ still hasn’t been released. Deposits are said to be fully refundable, while those that keep their money down can expect deliveries of pre-ordered cars to occur in a wide window stretching from May through November of this year.
We’ve been told that the car is already proving popular; couple that with the limited number being offered and you’ll want to move now to get yours. The fact that the BRZ is really, really good is another reason you might want to hop in line. If you miss out at the Subaru store, though, you can always try Scion: It will be selling the BRZ’s mechanical twin, the FR-S.
When asked for comment, Subaru representatives wouldn’t confirm the figure, but the company had previously stated that the business case for the sports coupe required 5000 to 7000 to be sold at around $25,000—what we didn’t know at that time was that availability here would be capped. Although pre-orders are now being accepted, U.S. pricing for the BRZ still hasn’t been released. Deposits are said to be fully refundable, while those that keep their money down can expect deliveries of pre-ordered cars to occur in a wide window stretching from May through November of this year.
We’ve been told that the car is already proving popular; couple that with the limited number being offered and you’ll want to move now to get yours. The fact that the BRZ is really, really good is another reason you might want to hop in line. If you miss out at the Subaru store, though, you can always try Scion: It will be selling the BRZ’s mechanical twin, the FR-S.
03-13-2012 | 05:27 PM
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