Junkster

BTW, phile, I'm not trying to degrade you or anything, man. Just stating what I know, read and heard.

Junkster, who hopes everyone stays civil in this

phile

Sicklex made up some magical numbers about the current RL in regards to discount. I was telling him that that's not possible, at least in terms of what Acura sent out in regards to discounting the RL. What you described in terms of insider info may very well be very true, but I was going by what I read a few months ago about Acura's not willing to discount the RL, despite its slow rate of sales, in response to sicklex's comments.

And like I said, Acura may have reneged on their policy, and I may be ignorant of insider workings, but that wasn't what I was going by in response to sicklex's comment.

phile

ACK! I hate when people think I'm pissed at them...us PWs stick together.

Junkster, I hope you realize I was trying to get rid of sicklex...

phile

I was totally thrown off by that troll. Anyways, the new RL is Motorweek's car of the month:

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/carofthemonth.shtml

Junkster

okay, I see what your saying... and I try to give sources as much as I can, and when I think it's a rumor, I ask others for confirmation or disproof.

hehe... you never know with some of these arguements, ya know. I had an arguement with B-Diddy right before he disappeared and I thought he was joking until he sent me an email at how stupid I was.

Sick makes good points, though, and he's reasonable in most instances. I think we should move onto another point about the RL... interior quality; is this thing gonna live upto it's price?

Junkster, whose gotta go home now

1SICKLEX

It got busy. Not to mention the pizza came finally.....

Well, I wish I can find and scan what I see here in Atlanta. Just b/c it doesn't happen where you are, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
You can get new G35s here for 26k with I35s. Q45s for damn near 40k. 12k off list. Not just one model #. I am seeing lease deals for the IS and GS since those are selling slow as well.

I made a thread on Clublex but not here about nearly buying a NSX. You could lease a new one for $799 a month (I think it was). They were dying to sell em. But nothing in stock and the mileage I think was 7k a year. Something ridiculous, even as a 2nd car. But gosh what a car, drooooooooooooool. The interest rate was right too.

1SICKLEX

Anyway, what are the sales goals for the RL? The new one? 12-15k a year? Seems doable.

phile

Not surprised, B-D always made it a point to have the last word. Part of the fight with him is keeping up with him. I still don't know what happened to him. Did they ban him?

And I just realize that we can PW if we pretend that we're fighting...

1SICKLEX

Okay, then, dude, I don't uuhhhh, like your socks

phile

I see...well I gots 2 words for you: Bring It!!!

phile

MotorTrend's review of the RL, hope it's not a repost.

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...9_2005acurarl/

eidji

Wow. I think that might be the most positive preview I've read so far. And that's coming from a butt load of positive previews. I can't wait until a full test and competitive comparison from the major car mags.

I know I'm not any way shape or form in the target demographic for this car, but it excites me that this new Acura rounds out the newly sporty and refined lineup. Maybe in thirty years i'll be enjoying a car from the top of Acuras lineup that is as innovative and potentially mind-changing (for the mid-luxury market) as this car could be.

biker

I have a feeling in 30 years the car as we know it today will be completely different.

biker

I think it was mentioned several times - October 14.

gocubsgo55

what is this i see about IMA on the Honda Legend? When did they go public with this?!

biker

There's no IMA in the Legend - I don't know what's that all about.

Stevens24

RL sales goal for 2005 is 20k units. Pleny of interest here in Colorado We are ordered into mid December and we won't have cars to look at for 2 weeks.

1SICKLEX

20k. I doubt it. Acura and expensive does not mix.

biker

Production and sales must ramp up later in the year since the initial allocation is about 1000/mo and as you said they are all pre-sold. I forsee another TSX-like low balling of the estimate by Acura to make the eventual number look good. But hey 1500/mo is triple of the recent average of RL sales.

Junkster

Do you work at a dealership? Which one?

I'm kinda sick of dealing with peeps at Acura dealerships that treat the customer like a noob...

Junkster, who sees alot of TLs in D-town

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

The problem is that most customers really are s

Stevens24

Junkster, Yes I work at courtesy Acura. Moved out from CAli in july, Sold out there for almost three years.

20k units is 76 per Dealer per year, 6.3 per month per dealer. We have already sold 14. If other dealers are in a similar situation that would already be around 3500 units before mid december. And the car isn;t in showrooms yet.

In sept, there were 2 IS300s sold in Colorado.

biker

:wtf: :whocares:

Junkster

Sweet, so now I have someone I can actually go to when I'm in the market for a TSX.

Junkster, who went to courtesy last time but only saw 3 TSX on the lot (six months ago)

1SICKLEX

Yup, lets compare a brand new desgn with a 8 year old one.
9,000+ RX 400Hs are spoken for. We won't see one until May 2005 at the earliest.Why not bring that fact up? Or 3,000 SC 430s were spoken for in 2001 6 months before it came out in 2002. That is a 65k car.

I am sure the new RL will sell better.
1. It's a new model
2. It blows the old model away in every possible way.

phile

http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=183&n=157

"Acura’s newest RL flagship redefines performance and sophistication."

A bit of a pessimist, but I think he's right:

"Yet the prediction is that Acura will be fighting uphill to conquer its rivals and to entice status-ravening consumers who generally remain in thrall to the Teutonic mystique."

eidji

Yeah, what is up with this engine? Where did it come from (what car, that is)? Are AutoExpress editors just dolts and reached into a pile of Honda press photos and pulled an engine out of a hybrid or hybrid concept?

I looked up photos of the Accord and Civic and it looked like neither of those. It looks way to big to be in a Civic or Insight, also. It does resemble the Accord, but there are more coverings and the big brightly colored cable is missing that I assume is for battery power.

Were there any hybrid concepts with engine bay photos like this? Last year they showed the IMAS and KIWAMI. I don't remember engine photos for any of them. And the IMAS was the only IMA hybrid, I believe (KIWAMI was fuel-cell). The DualNote concept from years ago was hybrid but not IMA in the normal fashion, right?

Anyway. Any speculation?

kryptech

Looks like the same photo. Either it's photoshopped or the Engine badge was changed at the time they were taken. Perhaps it's a sign of things to come or just a PR goof-up.

iNteGraz92

it's fake, no need to make a big deal out of it. honda/acura never announced anything about a hybrid rl.

iNteGraz92

it didn't, cuz it's fake

phile

I don't remember who asked, but here's a small pic of the wood steering wheel on Honda's JDM website.

Junkster

I watched the Motorweek testing of the RL on Speedchannel. Lots o' praises and such, but did anyone else notice...

... they also expected the price to be around 45k (well, they est. 46k)...

Junkster, who still can't get a feel of how big the RL is

phile

Power rear sunshade:

biker

Motorweek has been slipping lately - lots of little mistakes like that.
The car will be at dealers next week - just go and see.

jwaters943

You can now vote for the Road & Track's Best Car of 2005. I cast my vote for the RL.

Here's a link for those interested http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=1571

phile

Dang, even at close to 50K they cut corners. The Acura website is now updated with the 05 information, I built one and noticed that the optional wood steering wheel specifically says "wood look" steering wheel...WTH?

phile

Priced out an RL that I built...wood steering wheel and shift knob, backup sensors, 18" wheels...$52,695

1SICKLEX

THey better sell every RL they can before the M35/45 and new GS comes next year.....

iNteGraz92

yeah, sure

ClutchPerformer

Really?

So everything depends on the GS pricing....