Monthly Car Sales news
01-05-2012, 02:15 PM
#2642
Honda Fanboy
10% of total sales. I know the Accent, Elantra, Sonata, Tucson and Santa Fe are all sold to fleets but they said the Sonata's 225,961 sales figure was retail only.
EDIT: I called Hyundai and asked them and they said the 225,961 is everything so it does include fleet sales. I was mistaken. But still, if one model out of five and the fleet sales are split five ways, that's only 2% or 4,519 units' difference.
Either way, the Sonata broke 200K.
EDIT: I called Hyundai and asked them and they said the 225,961 is everything so it does include fleet sales. I was mistaken. But still, if one model out of five and the fleet sales are split five ways, that's only 2% or 4,519 units' difference.
Either way, the Sonata broke 200K.
01-05-2012, 02:18 PM
#2643
creating Eqqus has zero impact on Hyundai. but this Nissan is the king. No Premium SUV in World can match its ride, handling and technology. Nissan is selling them in thousands per month.
01-05-2012, 02:23 PM
#2644
AZ Community Team
It's good to see the Big 3 back on top
01-05-2012, 02:24 PM
#2645
Moderator
Why?
Was that some random diversion from the matter at hand, or did you have a pertinent point?
01-05-2012, 02:40 PM
#2646
AZ Community Team
01-05-2012, 03:11 PM
#2647
Hyundai/Kia - $1,108
Honda/Acura - $2,185
Nissan/Infiniti - $2,978
And ration of incentives to avg. transaction price.
H/K - 5.2%
H/A - 8.4%
N/I - 10.5%
, so any future growth will have to come from new models from Korea (like the Veloster and to soon to arrive new Azera).
Kia has been able to grow more recently as US production of the Optima has ramped up (which is why we have seen an increase in sales as availability has gone up).
Don't know why you are comparing the Genesis sedan to the Maxima; the Maxima competitor will be the Cadenza which will arrive later this year.
Depends on what segment your looking at. Most of Kia/Hyundai are new models. and as the price increases. they simply cant compete.
Nissan Sold 5000 Maxima alone with single engine.
That is more than all the top line sedans of Korean makers. New Altima will stream roll all koreans.
Nissan Sold 5000 Maxima alone with single engine.
That is more than all the top line sedans of Korean makers. New Altima will stream roll all koreans.
Sales of the M should be compared to the Genesis and the Genesis comes out on top.
The new Azera should do around 3k monthly in sales and the Cadenza around 1,500 a month.
Accord - 11,525 (4.1%)
Sonata - 21,738 (11.1%)
Altima - 43,707 (19.1%)
Camry - 56,799 (17.3%)
Since Hyundai's overall fleet sales for 2011 was 10%, I can't see the Sonata doing more than that.
Last edited by YEH; 01-05-2012 at 03:19 PM.
01-05-2012, 03:17 PM
#2648
Hmm - Acura sells the RL which no one sees as really competing in the flagship segment and Infiniti had abandoned the segment.
The Equus did 56% of Audi A8 sales and that's w/o AWD which usually adds another 40-50% in sales.
Equus sales thus far are about where sales of the 1st and 2nd gen A8s have been, so it's a decent start, albeit fairly modest in the scheme of things (btw, the Equus' share in the flagship segment is 5% - which is the same as Hyundai's overall marketshare).
The Equus did 56% of Audi A8 sales and that's w/o AWD which usually adds another 40-50% in sales.
Equus sales thus far are about where sales of the 1st and 2nd gen A8s have been, so it's a decent start, albeit fairly modest in the scheme of things (btw, the Equus' share in the flagship segment is 5% - which is the same as Hyundai's overall marketshare).
Last edited by YEH; 01-05-2012 at 03:21 PM.
01-05-2012, 04:08 PM
#2649
I can kinda see where Sonata sales have dropped, but could it be due to Hyundai's production constraints/limits like YEH said?
2011 sales - Sonata vs Altima
Dec - 17,340 vs 25,976
Nov - 15,668 vs 20,613
Oct - 18,192 vs 21,838
Sep - 18,181 vs 24,356
Aug - 20,682 vs 23,016
Jul - 20,884 vs 21,340
Jun - 18,664 vs 19,534
May - 22,754 vs 25,525
Apr - 21,738 vs 17,232
2011 sales - Sonata vs Altima
Dec - 17,340 vs 25,976
Nov - 15,668 vs 20,613
Oct - 18,192 vs 21,838
Sep - 18,181 vs 24,356
Aug - 20,682 vs 23,016
Jul - 20,884 vs 21,340
Jun - 18,664 vs 19,534
May - 22,754 vs 25,525
Apr - 21,738 vs 17,232
01-05-2012, 04:26 PM
#2650
Nissan uses the same V6 across the line up from Maxima/Altima to SUVs around the world. The same V8 is going into Infiniti/Nissan vehicles.
Nissan is on much solid foundation so it can afford bigger incentives but with higher prices as products supply chain is more standardized.
new JX/Pathfinder will practically kill any hope for Hyundia-Kia to catch up in high mid priced premium SUVs. and with wider sales of V6/V8 the same cost savings will come down to Sedans. Infinit can afford both V6 hybrid and V6 diesel in EU but not any other Asian brand at same time yet.
iF some one cannot predict thos simple things cannot become an auto analyst.
Last edited by SSFTSX; 01-05-2012 at 04:28 PM.
01-05-2012, 04:39 PM
#2651
Honda Fanboy
01-05-2012, 04:44 PM
#2652
Moderator
Wait, you're comparing a model that's been out for a handful of years (Genesis) to one that's been around for a LONG time (Maxima)? I'm guess I'm just not as pessimistic as you for two reasons - 1) I'm not sure Hyndai has made any effort to PRODUCE as many cars as Nissan makes of the Maxima; and 2) I don't think we can reliably measure the impact of long time brand loyalty which is impacting the Maxima number.
Yet.
Okay, so you're excited about the Nissan product. I guess we'll just see.
Nissan uses the same V6 across the line up from Maxima/Altima to SUVs around the world. The same V8 is going into Infiniti/Nissan vehicles.
Nissan is on much solid foundation so it can afford bigger incentives but with higher prices as products supply chain is more standardized.
new JX/Pathfinder will practically kill any hope for Hyundia-Kia to catch up in high mid priced premium SUVs. and with wider sales of V6/V8 the same cost savings will come down to Sedans. Infinit can afford both V6 hybrid and V6 diesel in EU but not any other Asian brand at same time yet.
iF some one cannot predict thos simple things cannot become an auto analyst.
Nissan is on much solid foundation so it can afford bigger incentives but with higher prices as products supply chain is more standardized.
new JX/Pathfinder will practically kill any hope for Hyundia-Kia to catch up in high mid priced premium SUVs. and with wider sales of V6/V8 the same cost savings will come down to Sedans. Infinit can afford both V6 hybrid and V6 diesel in EU but not any other Asian brand at same time yet.
iF some one cannot predict thos simple things cannot become an auto analyst.
01-05-2012, 04:59 PM
#2653
and Diesel is co developed with Renault. You have to consider Nissan is now contributing more to Renault profits than other way around.
They were least affected by earth quake and thai floods.
http://pa-magazine.com/tag/nissan-profits/
Nissan’s management was very fast in responding to the disasters and that should be credited,” said Takeshi Miyao, an analyst at consulting firm Carnorama in Tokyo. “It wasn’t just luck.”
Nissan, targeting 8 percent of China’s luxury car market, is stepping up efforts to expand in the world’s largest car market. It said earlier today it plans to open a new global headquarters for the Infiniti luxury brand in Hong Kong in April.
01-05-2012, 05:07 PM
#2654
Honda Fanboy
Next Altima will have its own Hybrid system just like Infiniti.
and Diesel is co developed with Renault. You have to consider Nissan is now contributing more to Renault profits than other way around.
They were least affected by earth quake and thai floods.
http://pa-magazine.com/tag/nissan-profits/
Nissan’s management was very fast in responding to the disasters and that should be credited,” said Takeshi Miyao, an analyst at consulting firm Carnorama in Tokyo. “It wasn’t just luck.”
Nissan, targeting 8 percent of China’s luxury car market, is stepping up efforts to expand in the world’s largest car market. It said earlier today it plans to open a new global headquarters for the Infiniti luxury brand in Hong Kong in April.
and Diesel is co developed with Renault. You have to consider Nissan is now contributing more to Renault profits than other way around.
They were least affected by earth quake and thai floods.
http://pa-magazine.com/tag/nissan-profits/
Nissan’s management was very fast in responding to the disasters and that should be credited,” said Takeshi Miyao, an analyst at consulting firm Carnorama in Tokyo. “It wasn’t just luck.”
Nissan, targeting 8 percent of China’s luxury car market, is stepping up efforts to expand in the world’s largest car market. It said earlier today it plans to open a new global headquarters for the Infiniti luxury brand in Hong Kong in April.
01-05-2012, 05:28 PM
#2655
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
I don't know why you guys are still trying to talk to SSFTSX.
Just don't do it.
Just don't do it.
01-05-2012, 05:42 PM
#2656
Infiniti has both in EU. and it is current.
01-05-2012, 06:15 PM
#2657
Honda Fanboy
Infiniti does not have its own hybrid and diesel V6 engine.
01-05-2012, 08:38 PM
#2659
Honda Fanboy
01-05-2012, 10:12 PM
#2660
Now prove it that Infiniti dont have its own hybrid. Current Infiniti hybrid tech surpasses all in production hybrids.
Let Acura make RL so fast and fuel efficient as M350H and price competitive. as i said it is practically over for Acura as they are only Honda+. No special platforms or full size SUVs.
ILX is the last straw that will make the brand further devalued.
Let Acura make RL so fast and fuel efficient as M350H and price competitive. as i said it is practically over for Acura as they are only Honda+. No special platforms or full size SUVs.
ILX is the last straw that will make the brand further devalued.
http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/in...35-hybrid.html
The all-new proprietary hybrid system, which the automaker calls the "Infiniti Direct Response Hybrid," is a full parallel design. The powertrain embodies a 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V6 engine that works with a single electric motor and two clutches, similar to that of Volkswagen’s. A 1.3-kWh lithium-ion battery pack is positioned under the trunk’s floorboard.
The all-new proprietary hybrid system, which the automaker calls the "Infiniti Direct Response Hybrid," is a full parallel design. The powertrain embodies a 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V6 engine that works with a single electric motor and two clutches, similar to that of Volkswagen’s. A 1.3-kWh lithium-ion battery pack is positioned under the trunk’s floorboard.
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-i...ml#reviewPage1
Interestingly, the M35h is not alone as an executive-class hybrid. Last year, BMW released its ActiveHybrid 7, and Mercedes-Benz previously launched the S400 hybrid. But of these cars, Infiniti really has the best hybrid system. It not only features idle stop, but it also is able to propel the car under electric power alone, and it gets the best mileage of its competition. It doesn't hurt that the M35h is the cheapest of the lot, either.
Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-i...#ixzz1ieAZ0grY
Interestingly, the M35h is not alone as an executive-class hybrid. Last year, BMW released its ActiveHybrid 7, and Mercedes-Benz previously launched the S400 hybrid. But of these cars, Infiniti really has the best hybrid system. It not only features idle stop, but it also is able to propel the car under electric power alone, and it gets the best mileage of its competition. It doesn't hurt that the M35h is the cheapest of the lot, either.
Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-i...#ixzz1ieAZ0grY
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...i-m35h-hybrid/
The high torque of the electric motor from very low RPMs make the M35h far faster than the numbers on paper would imply, we easily recorded 5.2 second runs to 60MPH with our lowest taking only 5.03 seconds. The low 1.9 second sprint to 30MPH (the M56 takes 2.3) is perhaps the most telling number because by the time the spedo crested 100 the M35h had lost its lead on the V8 powered M56 clocking a 13.5 second ¼ mile at 103MPH (vs 13.4 at 106 for the V8).
The high torque of the electric motor from very low RPMs make the M35h far faster than the numbers on paper would imply, we easily recorded 5.2 second runs to 60MPH with our lowest taking only 5.03 seconds. The low 1.9 second sprint to 30MPH (the M56 takes 2.3) is perhaps the most telling number because by the time the spedo crested 100 the M35h had lost its lead on the V8 powered M56 clocking a 13.5 second ¼ mile at 103MPH (vs 13.4 at 106 for the V8).
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/03...-european.html
The Infiniti official also expects growth from Russia, where sale volumes should equal those from Western Europe, at 7,000 to 8,000 units (up from 6,000 in fiscal year 2010).
Mr. Wright added that Infiniti will continue to expand the dealer network across Europe, as the company plans to have 60 dealerships in Western Europe by the end of fiscal year 2011, 20 more than in 2010. As for the Russian and Ukrainian market, Infiniti is counting on jumping from its current 14 stores to 19 or 20.
The Infiniti official also expects growth from Russia, where sale volumes should equal those from Western Europe, at 7,000 to 8,000 units (up from 6,000 in fiscal year 2010).
Mr. Wright added that Infiniti will continue to expand the dealer network across Europe, as the company plans to have 60 dealerships in Western Europe by the end of fiscal year 2011, 20 more than in 2010. As for the Russian and Ukrainian market, Infiniti is counting on jumping from its current 14 stores to 19 or 20.
http://www.nissannews.com/newsreleas...r-2011&mid=214
NISSAN ANNOUNCES EUROPEAN SALES FOR NOVEMBER 2011
- Calendar Year-to-date sales more than 132,000 units up on 2010 -
Last year Nissan plants in the UK, Spain and Russia produced more than 528,000 vehicles including mini-MPVs, award-winning crossovers, SUVs and commercial vehicles. Nissan now offers 24 diverse and innovative products for sale in Europe today, and is positioned to become the number one Japanese brand in Europe.
NISSAN ANNOUNCES EUROPEAN SALES FOR NOVEMBER 2011
- Calendar Year-to-date sales more than 132,000 units up on 2010 -
Last year Nissan plants in the UK, Spain and Russia produced more than 528,000 vehicles including mini-MPVs, award-winning crossovers, SUVs and commercial vehicles. Nissan now offers 24 diverse and innovative products for sale in Europe today, and is positioned to become the number one Japanese brand in Europe.
Last edited by SSFTSX; 01-05-2012 at 10:15 PM.
01-05-2012, 10:23 PM
#2661
Wait, you're comparing a model that's been out for a handful of years (Genesis) to one that's been around for a LONG time (Maxima)? I'm guess I'm just not as pessimistic as you for two reasons - 1) I'm not sure Hyndai has made any effort to PRODUCE as many cars as Nissan makes of the Maxima; and 2) I don't think we can reliably measure the impact of long time brand loyalty which is impacting the Maxima number.
Koreans have employed all there technology that can possibly put in this price range.
01-05-2012, 10:27 PM
#2662
Honda Fanboy
Now prove it that Infiniti dont have its own hybrid. Current Infiniti hybrid tech surpasses all in production hybrids.
Let Acura make RL so fast and fuel efficient as M350H and price competitive. as i said it is practically over for Acura as they are only Honda+. No special platforms or full size SUVs.
ILX is the last straw that will make the brand further devalued.
Let Acura make RL so fast and fuel efficient as M350H and price competitive. as i said it is practically over for Acura as they are only Honda+. No special platforms or full size SUVs.
ILX is the last straw that will make the brand further devalued.
US cutting military spending. Infiniti won't get loan from US government
Over the next 10 years, the growth in the defense budget will slow, but the fact of the matter is this: It will still grow, because we have global responsibilities that demand our leadership.
01-05-2012, 10:36 PM
#2663
Infiniti Hybrid from Toyota. Diesel engine stolen from Renault. Infiniti not have money to afford both engine.
US cutting military spending. Infiniti won't get loan from US government
US cutting military spending. Infiniti won't get loan from US government
Show me how many Renault vehicles uses that new 3.0D diesel engine?. That was developed from the ground up for Infiniti foremost.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...review-6602143
Nissan's flagship mid-size sedan gets an overhaul next year, when the all-new 2013 Nissan Altima debuts. The following year, the 2014 Altima will feature an all-new Nissan-designed powertrain that includes the Altima's first hybrid engine. The full specs of the system have not yet been released, but at a technology briefing in Tokyo, we were able to discover some details of the upcoming hybrid.
The Engine
A supercharger will feed the new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine used in the hybrid Altima. Nissan says this results in a solid boost of torque at a low rpm. Why not a turbo? Engineers mentioned that a turbo would require direct fuel injection, and that would bump up the cost. The supercharger allows Nissan to use the less expensive port fuel injection.
Nissan already features a 1.2-liter turbocharged 3-cylinder engine in its Micra. That smaller displacement engine will also receive the hybrid treatment and find itself in a future small car in the U.S., according to sources in Tokyo.
The 2.5-liter hybrid drivetrain is partnered with a new CVT transmission that we had a chance to sample in a current Altima. The new CVT is said to provide about a 10 percent improvement in fuel economy, thanks to a 40 percent reduction in friction that comes largely from lower-viscosity fluid, a more efficient pump, and chain drive.
The new transmission has a wider gear spread as well, for quicker off-the-line bursts and lower cruising rpm. At 50 mph, an Altima’s engine with the current CVT revs at about 1500 rpm. The new transmission will drop that number by about 400 rpm at the same speed. This new transmission is lighter than the old one, too.
The Drive
On Nissan’s test track, the lowered rpms are certainly noticeable. At freeway speeds, the current Altima with the new CVT was quieter and more relaxed. But floor the throttle and it seemed more sprightly and much less like a traditional CVT. The transmission’s simulated gear changes were much more like those of a conventional automatic—more direct and less like the elastic feel that tends to define CVT transmissions. In our brief test drive, the new CVT was an impressive move forward.
The Electronics
The new system uses a one-electric-motor, two-clutch design that’s fed by a lithium-ion battery. It’s similar in concept to the one used in the Infiniti M Hybrid. But here, the layout has been modified to work in a front-wheel-drive layout.
The battery pack will be only about half as large as the 1.3-kwh pack in the Infiniti. However, a Nissan engineer says, combined with the new supercharged four-cylinder, it would deliver about the same power output as the current 3.5-liter V-6: around 270 hp. And we’d be surprised if the new Altima hybrid didn’t return at least 40 mpg combined when it arrives in two years.
Read more: 2014 Nissan Altima Hybrid Tech Preview - Popular Mechanics
Nissan's flagship mid-size sedan gets an overhaul next year, when the all-new 2013 Nissan Altima debuts. The following year, the 2014 Altima will feature an all-new Nissan-designed powertrain that includes the Altima's first hybrid engine. The full specs of the system have not yet been released, but at a technology briefing in Tokyo, we were able to discover some details of the upcoming hybrid.
The Engine
A supercharger will feed the new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine used in the hybrid Altima. Nissan says this results in a solid boost of torque at a low rpm. Why not a turbo? Engineers mentioned that a turbo would require direct fuel injection, and that would bump up the cost. The supercharger allows Nissan to use the less expensive port fuel injection.
Nissan already features a 1.2-liter turbocharged 3-cylinder engine in its Micra. That smaller displacement engine will also receive the hybrid treatment and find itself in a future small car in the U.S., according to sources in Tokyo.
The 2.5-liter hybrid drivetrain is partnered with a new CVT transmission that we had a chance to sample in a current Altima. The new CVT is said to provide about a 10 percent improvement in fuel economy, thanks to a 40 percent reduction in friction that comes largely from lower-viscosity fluid, a more efficient pump, and chain drive.
The new transmission has a wider gear spread as well, for quicker off-the-line bursts and lower cruising rpm. At 50 mph, an Altima’s engine with the current CVT revs at about 1500 rpm. The new transmission will drop that number by about 400 rpm at the same speed. This new transmission is lighter than the old one, too.
The Drive
On Nissan’s test track, the lowered rpms are certainly noticeable. At freeway speeds, the current Altima with the new CVT was quieter and more relaxed. But floor the throttle and it seemed more sprightly and much less like a traditional CVT. The transmission’s simulated gear changes were much more like those of a conventional automatic—more direct and less like the elastic feel that tends to define CVT transmissions. In our brief test drive, the new CVT was an impressive move forward.
The Electronics
The new system uses a one-electric-motor, two-clutch design that’s fed by a lithium-ion battery. It’s similar in concept to the one used in the Infiniti M Hybrid. But here, the layout has been modified to work in a front-wheel-drive layout.
The battery pack will be only about half as large as the 1.3-kwh pack in the Infiniti. However, a Nissan engineer says, combined with the new supercharged four-cylinder, it would deliver about the same power output as the current 3.5-liter V-6: around 270 hp. And we’d be surprised if the new Altima hybrid didn’t return at least 40 mpg combined when it arrives in two years.
Read more: 2014 Nissan Altima Hybrid Tech Preview - Popular Mechanics
01-05-2012, 10:42 PM
#2664
Honda Fanboy
Japanese tsunami destroy chance of Infiniti be luxury car.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar...-toll-20110312
01-05-2012, 11:45 PM
#2665
Actually, SSFTSX is correct about the Infiniti hybrid system... it's their own, not Toyota's.
http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/in...35-hybrid.html
One point to SSFTSX.
http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/in...35-hybrid.html
The Infiniti M35h represents the automaker’s first in-house hybrid, and provides one more example of the curious relationship between luxury and hybrid vehicles.....
The all-new proprietary hybrid system, which the automaker calls the "Infiniti Direct Response Hybrid," is a full parallel design. The powertrain embodies a 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V6 engine that works with a single electric motor and two clutches, similar to that of Volkswagen’s. A 1.3-kWh lithium-ion battery pack is positioned under the trunk’s floorboard.
The all-new proprietary hybrid system, which the automaker calls the "Infiniti Direct Response Hybrid," is a full parallel design. The powertrain embodies a 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V6 engine that works with a single electric motor and two clutches, similar to that of Volkswagen’s. A 1.3-kWh lithium-ion battery pack is positioned under the trunk’s floorboard.
One point to SSFTSX.
01-06-2012, 10:00 AM
#2667
Moderator
Gensis has been out for 5 years. and it is far better value for money than Maxima. Just like LS400 was in 1990. Genesis has long wheel base, RWD and technology options that make it cheaper than Maxima.
Koreans have employed all there technology that can possibly put in this price range.
Koreans have employed all there technology that can possibly put in this price range.
Right, because technology and engineering never march forward.
01-06-2012, 11:30 PM
#2668
I have seen very poor implementation of new technology. For example Hyundai Sonata Hybrid turned out far slower than new Camry Hybrid with about 10mpg difference in same test. There is simply no contest with Camry V6 which is even faster than V6 Genesis.
Hyundai Eqqus is even slower than BMW 740I (6 cylinder version).
Look at Nissan first in house hybrid M35H. It surpasses just about every high performance Lexus hybrid infact it is the best among the Premium
hybrids.
Your mistaken that every firm can apply same technology with equal effectiveness. In Middleast where Oil is cheaper than water Nissan SUVs have big impact. and it is even without redesign Nissan PathFinder.
With tiny V6 and V8 sales. Koreans will simply have to abondon this segment. They are for low end sales.
Hyundai Eqqus is even slower than BMW 740I (6 cylinder version).
Look at Nissan first in house hybrid M35H. It surpasses just about every high performance Lexus hybrid infact it is the best among the Premium
hybrids.
http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/m...ison-test.html
2012 Infiniti M35h vs. 2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec Comparison Test
1st Place: 2012 Infiniti M35h
Big punch without the guilt, plus better refinement than any hybrid made to date.
2012 Infiniti M35h vs. 2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec Comparison Test
1st Place: 2012 Infiniti M35h
Big punch without the guilt, plus better refinement than any hybrid made to date.
With tiny V6 and V8 sales. Koreans will simply have to abondon this segment. They are for low end sales.
01-07-2012, 04:15 AM
#2669
Evil Mazda Driver
Don't take this the wrong way....it's not that I really care but just that I'm confused. When did you choose, moments from fulfillment, to leave Honda alone feeling used and unsatisfied to rush across the street to start giving Nissan a photo finish? New orders from the boss? 
01-07-2012, 09:49 AM
#2670
AZ Community Team
:scr ewy:
:r ofl:
01-07-2012, 10:45 AM
#2671
Moderator
I have seen very poor implementation of new technology. For example Hyundai Sonata Hybrid turned out far slower than new Camry Hybrid with about 10mpg difference in same test. There is simply no contest with Camry V6 which is even faster than V6 Genesis.
Hyundai Eqqus is even slower than BMW 740I (6 cylinder version).
Look at Nissan first in house hybrid M35H. It surpasses just about every high performance Lexus hybrid infact it is the best among the Premium
hybrids.
Your mistaken that every firm can apply same technology with equal effectiveness. In Middleast where Oil is cheaper than water Nissan SUVs have big impact. and it is even without redesign Nissan PathFinder.
With tiny V6 and V8 sales. Koreans will simply have to abondon this segment. They are for low end sales.
Hyundai Eqqus is even slower than BMW 740I (6 cylinder version).
Look at Nissan first in house hybrid M35H. It surpasses just about every high performance Lexus hybrid infact it is the best among the Premium
hybrids.
Your mistaken that every firm can apply same technology with equal effectiveness. In Middleast where Oil is cheaper than water Nissan SUVs have big impact. and it is even without redesign Nissan PathFinder.
With tiny V6 and V8 sales. Koreans will simply have to abondon this segment. They are for low end sales.
01-07-2012, 10:48 AM
#2672
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
I have seen very poor implementation of new technology. For example Hyundai Sonata Hybrid turned out far slower than new Camry Hybrid with about 10mpg difference in same test. There is simply no contest with Camry V6 which is even faster than V6 Genesis.
Hyundai Eqqus is even slower than BMW 740I (6 cylinder version).
Look at Nissan first in house hybrid M35H. It surpasses just about every high performance Lexus hybrid infact it is the best among the Premium
hybrids.
Your mistaken that every firm can apply same technology with equal effectiveness. In Middleast where Oil is cheaper than water Nissan SUVs have big impact. and it is even without redesign Nissan PathFinder.
With tiny V6 and V8 sales. Koreans will simply have to abondon this segment. They are for low end sales.
Hyundai Eqqus is even slower than BMW 740I (6 cylinder version).
Look at Nissan first in house hybrid M35H. It surpasses just about every high performance Lexus hybrid infact it is the best among the Premium
hybrids.
Your mistaken that every firm can apply same technology with equal effectiveness. In Middleast where Oil is cheaper than water Nissan SUVs have big impact. and it is even without redesign Nissan PathFinder.
With tiny V6 and V8 sales. Koreans will simply have to abondon this segment. They are for low end sales.
dumbasses gonna dumbass
01-07-2012, 11:22 AM
#2673
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01-07-2012, 12:48 PM
#2674
They have use double glazed window in M30d. Car is more premium and in first attempt on V6 diesel already refined as hybrid
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...us_gs450h.html
Infiniti M30d vs Lexus GS450h
Congratulations, Infiniti! The new M30d is the most convincing car the firm has produced, and it registers a first Auto Express road test win for the brand. Executive car buyers will appreciate its comprehensive kit list, and refinement is very impressive, too.
The newcomer is no dynamic match for the BMW 5-Series or Jaguar XF, but it rides and corners better than the Lexus. The bigger and more opulent cabin, practical boot and superior economy ensure it takes victory.
Infiniti M30d vs Lexus GS450h
Congratulations, Infiniti! The new M30d is the most convincing car the firm has produced, and it registers a first Auto Express road test win for the brand. Executive car buyers will appreciate its comprehensive kit list, and refinement is very impressive, too.
The newcomer is no dynamic match for the BMW 5-Series or Jaguar XF, but it rides and corners better than the Lexus. The bigger and more opulent cabin, practical boot and superior economy ensure it takes victory.
01-07-2012, 12:50 PM
#2675
I drive a Subata.
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wake the hell up dude
01-07-2012, 01:22 PM
#2676
The tsunami disrupted production all through the summer, and by the time they were ready to restart the line, it was time for the model year change over. Then the Thai floods happened and took out a critical component that was unique to the 2012 ECUs delaying the start of production.
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JS + XES (01-07-2012)
01-07-2012, 02:19 PM
#2677
Honda Fanboy
01-07-2012, 02:38 PM
#2678
I drive a Subata.
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01-07-2012, 02:45 PM
#2679
The tsunami disrupted production all through the summer, and by the time they were ready to restart the line, it was time for the model year change over. Then the Thai floods happened and took out a critical component that was unique to the 2012 ECUs delaying the start of production.
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Legend2TL (01-08-2012)
01-07-2012, 02:54 PM
#2680
You wont be talking about ILX/NSX/RDX/RL/MDX or any Acura/Honda BS. They are gone for good.
The problem with Honda/Acura is they are worst affected by Yen and Thai floods and in EU/Middleast they are non existent.
and with more Nissan/Infiniti production come to North America. like JX/Ethera.
There is new intelligent 4WD system that push 100% of power to front wheels for maximum fuel economy.
Honda need to be sold to BMW or Toyota. It has shown it cannot stand on its two legs alone. There will simply be not enough sales/profits for future R&D.
Honda is not Nissan. Nissan is now the most profitable part of Renault. Just like Audi is too VW.
Half a million production in single plant which is record for industrial deficient country like UK.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/bus...breaking_year/
The Sunderland plant made a total of 480,485 vehicles, dwarfing the 2010 total of 423,262 vehicles, which itself was the first time any UK car plant had ever made more than 400,000 cars in one year.
November was a record month for the plant with 46,606 vehicles made, the highest monthly total in the plants history.
The Sunderland plant made a total of 480,485 vehicles, dwarfing the 2010 total of 423,262 vehicles, which itself was the first time any UK car plant had ever made more than 400,000 cars in one year.
November was a record month for the plant with 46,606 vehicles made, the highest monthly total in the plants history.
http://www.steelguru.com/russian_new...ia/242835.html
Avtovaz Renault-Nissan alliance agree to produce new engine family in Russia
Avtovaz Renault-Nissan alliance agree to produce new engine family in Russia
http://www.inautonews.com/renault-ni...tovaz-in-march
Renault SA and Nissan Motor Company are on the verge of signing an agreement to take control of Russia’s largest automaker AvtoVAZ in March.
Renault SA and Nissan Motor Company are on the verge of signing an agreement to take control of Russia’s largest automaker AvtoVAZ in March.