Lexus: IS News
#1484
while it does look better in real life pics, it still doesn't look good to me.
i agree that the F emblem is tacky. and the exhaust still hasn't grown on me. and yea, i see the resemblance to a beluga whale.
and i apologize if this has been asked before...but is this only available in automatic?
i agree that the F emblem is tacky. and the exhaust still hasn't grown on me. and yea, i see the resemblance to a beluga whale.
and i apologize if this has been asked before...but is this only available in automatic?
#1486
Hmmm, the regular IS seems much better looking to me. THis thing reminds me of "The Fast and the Furious" in a bad way. They need to take some notes from BMW on how they SUBTLY change the 3 series into an M3.
#1487
Not sure if I'm buying into this "F" series Lexus. I saw the real deal (well, a prototype) at the Detroit Autoshow and that color they had on it was . Maybe it was just for the show with that paint job but it looked fantastic under those lights.
Otherwise, based purely on looks ... not sure if I like the hood or the aerodynamic cues they've added to distinguish this between the regular IS series car. The pics of the hood do look a bit bloated but in person, I didn't really focus on it (but I guess I will next time I see one ... )
Otherwise, based purely on looks ... not sure if I like the hood or the aerodynamic cues they've added to distinguish this between the regular IS series car. The pics of the hood do look a bit bloated but in person, I didn't really focus on it (but I guess I will next time I see one ... )
#1488
I saw the car in person at Taste of Lexus events in SF.
It looked even uglier in person than the picture. That nose is too thick. The cars looks to be extremely front nose heavy.
The interior plastic looks extremely cheap. I prefer the full leather dash on the M cars more.
I would take M3 over IS-F. The new C63 also is very promising. I drove the new C class at SF events a while back. The new C is a much better car than the IS. Material is significantly better. The C also handled a lot better than the IS.
The IS really feels very outdated compare to the C and 3 series.
It looked even uglier in person than the picture. That nose is too thick. The cars looks to be extremely front nose heavy.
The interior plastic looks extremely cheap. I prefer the full leather dash on the M cars more.
I would take M3 over IS-F. The new C63 also is very promising. I drove the new C class at SF events a while back. The new C is a much better car than the IS. Material is significantly better. The C also handled a lot better than the IS.
The IS really feels very outdated compare to the C and 3 series.
#1489
There's no way I would buy that. It's goofy in every respect down to the auto transmission in their high performance sedan.
I'll take a 335i throw some money into mods and save myself $15k and have a better car.
I'll take a 335i throw some money into mods and save myself $15k and have a better car.
#1490
^ u nailed it on the head.
Its all about peformance yet in retrospect about looking fast....and it cant even pull that off.
It doesnt coming in a manual...a stupid E-Gear which by the way if you havent driven one...its pathetic.
Its all about peformance yet in retrospect about looking fast....and it cant even pull that off.
It doesnt coming in a manual...a stupid E-Gear which by the way if you havent driven one...its pathetic.
#1491
Originally Posted by chiawei
I saw the car in person at Taste of Lexus events in SF.
It looked even uglier in person than the picture. That nose is too thick. The cars looks to be extremely front nose heavy.
The interior plastic looks extremely cheap. I prefer the full leather dash on the M cars more.
I would take M3 over IS-F. The new C63 also is very promising. I drove the new C class at SF events a while back. The new C is a much better car than the IS. Material is significantly better. The C also handled a lot better than the IS.
The IS really feels very outdated compare to the C and 3 series.
It looked even uglier in person than the picture. That nose is too thick. The cars looks to be extremely front nose heavy.
The interior plastic looks extremely cheap. I prefer the full leather dash on the M cars more.
I would take M3 over IS-F. The new C63 also is very promising. I drove the new C class at SF events a while back. The new C is a much better car than the IS. Material is significantly better. The C also handled a lot better than the IS.
The IS really feels very outdated compare to the C and 3 series.
The interior is actually not cheap, its well built and the plastics are not bad.
The new M3 does not have a full leather dash, but an extended leather option (not the dash though). The full leather package on the M5 is over $4k.
So I'm not sure what your comparing the IS-F to in regards to the interior, not to mention the M3 is gong to cost more $.
Nobody has tested the IS-F yet, don't make assumptions about how its going to drive in comparison to a standard IS.
#1492
Originally Posted by swift22
It doesnt coming in a manual...a stupid E-Gear which by the way if you havent driven one...its pathetic.
#1493
http://my.is/forums/f43/red-white-bl...merica-339065/
Given the IS-F's multiple transmission (manual or automatic) and VDIM (regular, sport and off) modes, I asked Flynn how the car would be "configured" for our ride, and he informed us it would be "manual" transmission mode and the intermediate VDIM Sport mode.
#1494
Originally Posted by Beltfed
I thought it looked much better in person than it does in photos.....that's subjective.
The interior is actually not cheap, its well built and the plastics are not bad.
The new M3 does not have a full leather dash, but an extended leather option (not the dash though). The full leather package on the M5 is over $4k.
So I'm not sure what your comparing the IS-F to in regards to the interior, not to mention the M3 is gong to cost more $.
Nobody has tested the IS-F yet, don't make assumptions about how its going to drive in comparison to a standard IS.
The interior is actually not cheap, its well built and the plastics are not bad.
The new M3 does not have a full leather dash, but an extended leather option (not the dash though). The full leather package on the M5 is over $4k.
So I'm not sure what your comparing the IS-F to in regards to the interior, not to mention the M3 is gong to cost more $.
Nobody has tested the IS-F yet, don't make assumptions about how its going to drive in comparison to a standard IS.
The full leather is available through indivdual. If you have connection you can get it here in US.
The fulll leather package on my 06 M5 was over 3k not 4k.
The current IS350 weight distribution is already 54/46 to the front. What makes you think that added weight of V8 and that nose will make it more neutral?
#1495
Originally Posted by chiawei
The blue IS-F that i saw has very cheap plastic console and the steering wheel is not that impressive either. I don't think is it well built as compare to the C and E90.
The full leather is available through indivdual. If you have connection you can get it here in US.
The fulll leather package on my 06 M5 was over 3k not 4k.
The current IS350 weight distribution is already 54/46 to the front. What makes you think that added weight of V8 and that nose will make it more neutral?
The full leather is available through indivdual. If you have connection you can get it here in US.
The fulll leather package on my 06 M5 was over 3k not 4k.
The current IS350 weight distribution is already 54/46 to the front. What makes you think that added weight of V8 and that nose will make it more neutral?
Please, I had a 95 M3, 00 Mcoupe, and an 04 M3.....don't talk to me about that individual shit. I'm on great terms with the local dealer owner and you can't do much with individual. Maybe a custom color here and there, but overall its very hard to get upgraded leather done at the factory that isn't a normal option and the few times its been done in the past (on E46 M3s) its big time f*ing expensive to the point of being completely not worth it.
So being that the E92 has an extended leather option, I seriously doubt you're going to be able to do anything further.....at least for the 1st year.
I'll reserve all judgment until the car is tested by multiple rags. Do I think its going to be the second coming? No, but I think its going to be a damn nice car.
#1497
Originally Posted by Beltfed
Oooh, $3,500......sorry.
Please, I had a 95 M3, 00 Mcoupe, and an 04 M3.....don't talk to me about that individual shit. I'm on great terms with the local dealer owner and you can't do much with individual. Maybe a custom color here and there, but overall its very hard to get upgraded leather done at the factory that isn't a normal option and the few times its been done in the past (on E46 M3s) its big time f*ing expensive to the point of being completely not worth it.
So being that the E92 has an extended leather option, I seriously doubt you're going to be able to do anything further.....at least for the 1st year.
I'll reserve all judgment until the car is tested by multiple rags. Do I think its going to be the second coming? No, but I think its going to be a damn nice car.
Please, I had a 95 M3, 00 Mcoupe, and an 04 M3.....don't talk to me about that individual shit. I'm on great terms with the local dealer owner and you can't do much with individual. Maybe a custom color here and there, but overall its very hard to get upgraded leather done at the factory that isn't a normal option and the few times its been done in the past (on E46 M3s) its big time f*ing expensive to the point of being completely not worth it.
So being that the E92 has an extended leather option, I seriously doubt you're going to be able to do anything further.....at least for the 1st year.
I'll reserve all judgment until the car is tested by multiple rags. Do I think its going to be the second coming? No, but I think its going to be a damn nice car.
I am on very good terms with couple dealer on the west coast and got the 1st M5 in the west coast. Yes, its doable. Just need to have connection.
Full leather is option in Europe. Unless you are doing a full custom interior color (i.e. true individual color- then you have a problem as BMWUSA will block the PO). The rest are not that difficult provided that dealer will go the extra step for you.
Expensive??? I believe to custom order full interior is $3000+ plus a special order fee of $1250 (can't remember).
I don't think special order fee of 1K is that expensive.
IS-F may be a nice car. But unless Lexus tighten the steering response. I still wouldn't consider it.
The new C on the other hand really is a much better car than IS350. The old C was a disaster. But the new C is excellent car.
I still don't see how Lexus can improve the front end weight with the V8. Unless the V8 is lighter than the V6 or Lexus is adding weight to the back of the car. It should be front nose heavier than IS350.
That nose really really bugged me in person. Plus, the two tone leather on the blue demo car at taste of lexus events in SF looks really beat up.
I am looking forward more toward the C63 than IS-F. C63 is probably the best all around car in this segment right now. That chassis is sweet.
#1498
Originally Posted by chiawei
I am looking forward more toward the C63 than IS-F. C63 is probably the best all around car in this segment right now. That chassis is sweet.
No doubt, I'm looking forward to the C63 more as well. But I think its safe to assume that its going to be more $ than the IS-F.....how much more is the question.
#1499
Yawn, another four door bore....sorry but the 4dr thing is getting old and does not look good to me (and I drive one) esp in a Toy...you can have the 4drs, just bring us some coupes too....full size coupes around please...
#1500
Originally Posted by Beltfed
Oooh, $3,500......sorry.
Please, I had a 95 M3, 00 Mcoupe, and an 04 M3.....don't talk to me about that individual shit. I'm on great terms with the local dealer owner and you can't do much with individual. Maybe a custom color here and there, but overall its very hard to get upgraded leather done at the factory that isn't a normal option and the few times its been done in the past (on E46 M3s) its big time f*ing expensive to the point of being completely not worth it.
So being that the E92 has an extended leather option, I seriously doubt you're going to be able to do anything further.....at least for the 1st year.
I'll reserve all judgment until the car is tested by multiple rags. Do I think its going to be the second coming? No, but I think its going to be a damn nice car.
Please, I had a 95 M3, 00 Mcoupe, and an 04 M3.....don't talk to me about that individual shit. I'm on great terms with the local dealer owner and you can't do much with individual. Maybe a custom color here and there, but overall its very hard to get upgraded leather done at the factory that isn't a normal option and the few times its been done in the past (on E46 M3s) its big time f*ing expensive to the point of being completely not worth it.
So being that the E92 has an extended leather option, I seriously doubt you're going to be able to do anything further.....at least for the 1st year.
I'll reserve all judgment until the car is tested by multiple rags. Do I think its going to be the second coming? No, but I think its going to be a damn nice car.
#1501
First Look: 2008 Lexus IS-F
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...opanel..1.*#12
Lexus Gets Tough
By John Pearley Huffman, Contributor Email
Date posted: 09-13-2007
It's as if the New York Philharmonic added an "An Evening of Kanye West" to its concert season. Though Lexus has always carefully presented itself as the jewel of the Toyota empire, it's preparing to jettison two decades of heritage with the 2008 Lexus IS-F, a tough-looking car fortified with a 400-horsepower V8 that will challenge the Audi RS4 and BMW M3.
It's the most surprising thing Toyota's luxury division has done since hiring actor James Sloyan to purr out words like "relentless," "pursuit" and "perfection" back in 1989 before it had even sold a single car.
The formula for the IS-F couldn't be more straightforward or familiar: Just shove the biggest engine possible into a relatively small package. It worked for the 1964 Pontiac GTO and it's working right now for the E92 BMW M3, and there's no reason why it shouldn't work spectacularly well for Lexus, too.
Block-by-Block Performance
While the conceptual audacity of the IS-F is shocking, most of the car's engineering is related to familiar Lexus stuff.
All current U.S.-market IS-series sedans are V6-powered (a 204-horsepower 2.5-liter V6 motivates the IS 250 and a 306-hp 3.5-liter V6 does the job in the IS 350), yet the IS is essentially a cut-down version of the larger GS sedan. And since a 4.6-liter V8 is the indispensable ingredient of the 2008 GS 460, Lexus didn't have to perform major surgery to squeeze a V8 into this rear-wheel-drive IS sedan.
Lexus also has a suitable engine for a hot-rod IS already in its parts inventory, as the hybrid drivetrain in the LS 600h L features an all-aluminum 32-valve, DOHC 5.0-liter V8. Even in the relatively sedate LS, this engine is rated at 389 hp at 6,400 rpm and 385 pound-feet of torque at 4,000 rpm and incorporates such advanced technologies as direct injection and dual variable valve timing working with an electronically controlled intake (VVT-iE in Lexus-speak).
Though Lexus is still coy with us about the specifications of the IS-F's V8 as the date of the car's introduction approaches, the engine is almost certainly based on the LS 600h L's 5.0-liter V8. And it won't take much more than a few tweaks to the variable valve timing system and the engine management electronics to boost this power plant's output to the "400-plus" hp that's been promised in the IS-F.
Eight Speeds, No Waiting
Meanwhile, the IS-F's eight-speed "direct sport-shift" transmission is also apparently based on an LS-series component — the eight-speed automatic transmission that was introduced by the LS 460 at the car's introduction in 2007.
The IS-F's version of the eight-speed unit features a new torque converter that locks up in 2nd through 6th gears even while in automatic mode. In manual mode, Lexus promises the shift paddles mounted on the steering wheel will trigger shifts in less than a tenth of a second, while downshifts will be accompanied by computer-automated throttle blips to match engine and transmission speeds.
With plenty of power and eight gear ratios, Lexus is claiming a 0-60-mph time of "less than 4.9 seconds" for the IS-F. We're guessing that it will be a lot less than 4.9 seconds, since this number has already been achieved by the 2007 BMW 335i automatic.
After all, Lexus isn't aiming at the BMW 335i with the IS-F. It's hunting the M3.
Fortified Stability
In general specification, the IS-F's suspension is just like that of any other IS sedan. There are double wishbones behind each front wheel, and a multilink independent system in back. But virtually all the IS-F's underpinnings have been reinforced for high-performance duty.
Naturally the suspension calibration is firmer, but it's also an inch lower than in other IS models and tuned so the big 225/40R19 front and 255/35R19 rear tires can grab pavement with some ferocity. The tires are mounted on special forged-alloy BBS wheels.
When it's time to throw out the anchor at speed, Lexus has fit the IS-F with big 14.2-inch front and 13.6-inch rear disc brakes. The front discs get six-piston Brembo calipers while the rears get two-piston Brembo units.
Lexus has also programmed a "three-mode" version of its Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) stability control system. Once you step up from Normal mode, the Sport mode raises the threshold at which braking, steering and throttle intervention kick in. The third mode? This may be the best of all; Lexus calls it "Off."
The Meanest Lexus Ever
With its uniquely stacked quad exhausts and rear spoiler, the IS-F's rear treatment makes sure you won't mistake it for any pokey IS 250 or IS 350. But the most distinctive elements of the IS-F are up on the nose.
The hood bulges to cover the big engine, the front fascia drops down to feed air to the beast and the fenders flare to cover the wide tires. There's never been a Lexus with the menacing presence of this one. In fact, the IS-F is the anti-Lexus.
Once you climb inside the IS-F, on the other hand, you return to a more familiar Lexus environment, although there's plenty of aluminum trim and a bold "F" prominently featured on the steering wheel and the console between the twin rear seats. Naturally the pedals have aluminum covers. The seats have been shaped for aggressive driving and will be upholstered in either black or white with black trim. The instrumentation includes an oil temperature gauge and shift indicator light.
This will be the top-of-the-line IS, and there's no way Lexus is going to walk away from its tradition of comfort with this car. After all, even the meanest badass Lexus of them all must still be a Lexus.
Anticipation
With the new 2008 BMW M3 with its 400-hp V8 about to go on sale in the U.S., the message boards on the Internet have been ablaze with speculation about whether the IS-F will give the BMW a real run for the money. After all, no car has a more fanatic following than the M3 and no car has gone so long without being toppled from atop its niche.
On paper the 2008 Lexus IS-F stacks up well against the M3, not to mention the Audi RS4 and Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. In the metal, the IS-F's appearance is polarizing ("F stands for FUGLY! The car looks wack," said Juzef on an M3 message board we surfed recently), and much of the criticism centers on the car's bulging hood and distinctive fenders. The IS-F's big nose might make this car an icon or a joke. This will depend in large part on how it performs.
As Lexus is already telling us in its advertising, "'F' is everything you thought we weren't." It's right about that. But this is a risk the division needs to take if it's going to maintain its performance credentials against the likes of BMW, Mercedes and even the recently surging Infiniti. And Lexus must be serious, because it's going to push even further into unknown territory with its 2009 Lexus LF-A, a super sports car with a 500-hp V10.
Lexus has an unparalleled reputation for quality. Imagine what can happen if this character is paired with dynamic excellence and blistering performance. The mind boggles and the cash registers ring.
The 2008 IS-F goes on sale just as 2007 runs out.
By John Pearley Huffman, Contributor Email
Date posted: 09-13-2007
It's as if the New York Philharmonic added an "An Evening of Kanye West" to its concert season. Though Lexus has always carefully presented itself as the jewel of the Toyota empire, it's preparing to jettison two decades of heritage with the 2008 Lexus IS-F, a tough-looking car fortified with a 400-horsepower V8 that will challenge the Audi RS4 and BMW M3.
It's the most surprising thing Toyota's luxury division has done since hiring actor James Sloyan to purr out words like "relentless," "pursuit" and "perfection" back in 1989 before it had even sold a single car.
The formula for the IS-F couldn't be more straightforward or familiar: Just shove the biggest engine possible into a relatively small package. It worked for the 1964 Pontiac GTO and it's working right now for the E92 BMW M3, and there's no reason why it shouldn't work spectacularly well for Lexus, too.
Block-by-Block Performance
While the conceptual audacity of the IS-F is shocking, most of the car's engineering is related to familiar Lexus stuff.
All current U.S.-market IS-series sedans are V6-powered (a 204-horsepower 2.5-liter V6 motivates the IS 250 and a 306-hp 3.5-liter V6 does the job in the IS 350), yet the IS is essentially a cut-down version of the larger GS sedan. And since a 4.6-liter V8 is the indispensable ingredient of the 2008 GS 460, Lexus didn't have to perform major surgery to squeeze a V8 into this rear-wheel-drive IS sedan.
Lexus also has a suitable engine for a hot-rod IS already in its parts inventory, as the hybrid drivetrain in the LS 600h L features an all-aluminum 32-valve, DOHC 5.0-liter V8. Even in the relatively sedate LS, this engine is rated at 389 hp at 6,400 rpm and 385 pound-feet of torque at 4,000 rpm and incorporates such advanced technologies as direct injection and dual variable valve timing working with an electronically controlled intake (VVT-iE in Lexus-speak).
Though Lexus is still coy with us about the specifications of the IS-F's V8 as the date of the car's introduction approaches, the engine is almost certainly based on the LS 600h L's 5.0-liter V8. And it won't take much more than a few tweaks to the variable valve timing system and the engine management electronics to boost this power plant's output to the "400-plus" hp that's been promised in the IS-F.
Eight Speeds, No Waiting
Meanwhile, the IS-F's eight-speed "direct sport-shift" transmission is also apparently based on an LS-series component — the eight-speed automatic transmission that was introduced by the LS 460 at the car's introduction in 2007.
The IS-F's version of the eight-speed unit features a new torque converter that locks up in 2nd through 6th gears even while in automatic mode. In manual mode, Lexus promises the shift paddles mounted on the steering wheel will trigger shifts in less than a tenth of a second, while downshifts will be accompanied by computer-automated throttle blips to match engine and transmission speeds.
With plenty of power and eight gear ratios, Lexus is claiming a 0-60-mph time of "less than 4.9 seconds" for the IS-F. We're guessing that it will be a lot less than 4.9 seconds, since this number has already been achieved by the 2007 BMW 335i automatic.
After all, Lexus isn't aiming at the BMW 335i with the IS-F. It's hunting the M3.
Fortified Stability
In general specification, the IS-F's suspension is just like that of any other IS sedan. There are double wishbones behind each front wheel, and a multilink independent system in back. But virtually all the IS-F's underpinnings have been reinforced for high-performance duty.
Naturally the suspension calibration is firmer, but it's also an inch lower than in other IS models and tuned so the big 225/40R19 front and 255/35R19 rear tires can grab pavement with some ferocity. The tires are mounted on special forged-alloy BBS wheels.
When it's time to throw out the anchor at speed, Lexus has fit the IS-F with big 14.2-inch front and 13.6-inch rear disc brakes. The front discs get six-piston Brembo calipers while the rears get two-piston Brembo units.
Lexus has also programmed a "three-mode" version of its Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) stability control system. Once you step up from Normal mode, the Sport mode raises the threshold at which braking, steering and throttle intervention kick in. The third mode? This may be the best of all; Lexus calls it "Off."
The Meanest Lexus Ever
With its uniquely stacked quad exhausts and rear spoiler, the IS-F's rear treatment makes sure you won't mistake it for any pokey IS 250 or IS 350. But the most distinctive elements of the IS-F are up on the nose.
The hood bulges to cover the big engine, the front fascia drops down to feed air to the beast and the fenders flare to cover the wide tires. There's never been a Lexus with the menacing presence of this one. In fact, the IS-F is the anti-Lexus.
Once you climb inside the IS-F, on the other hand, you return to a more familiar Lexus environment, although there's plenty of aluminum trim and a bold "F" prominently featured on the steering wheel and the console between the twin rear seats. Naturally the pedals have aluminum covers. The seats have been shaped for aggressive driving and will be upholstered in either black or white with black trim. The instrumentation includes an oil temperature gauge and shift indicator light.
This will be the top-of-the-line IS, and there's no way Lexus is going to walk away from its tradition of comfort with this car. After all, even the meanest badass Lexus of them all must still be a Lexus.
Anticipation
With the new 2008 BMW M3 with its 400-hp V8 about to go on sale in the U.S., the message boards on the Internet have been ablaze with speculation about whether the IS-F will give the BMW a real run for the money. After all, no car has a more fanatic following than the M3 and no car has gone so long without being toppled from atop its niche.
On paper the 2008 Lexus IS-F stacks up well against the M3, not to mention the Audi RS4 and Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. In the metal, the IS-F's appearance is polarizing ("F stands for FUGLY! The car looks wack," said Juzef on an M3 message board we surfed recently), and much of the criticism centers on the car's bulging hood and distinctive fenders. The IS-F's big nose might make this car an icon or a joke. This will depend in large part on how it performs.
As Lexus is already telling us in its advertising, "'F' is everything you thought we weren't." It's right about that. But this is a risk the division needs to take if it's going to maintain its performance credentials against the likes of BMW, Mercedes and even the recently surging Infiniti. And Lexus must be serious, because it's going to push even further into unknown territory with its 2009 Lexus LF-A, a super sports car with a 500-hp V10.
Lexus has an unparalleled reputation for quality. Imagine what can happen if this character is paired with dynamic excellence and blistering performance. The mind boggles and the cash registers ring.
The 2008 IS-F goes on sale just as 2007 runs out.
#1507
Originally Posted by F23A4
I guess this will not be making an appearance at this weekend's Taste of Lexus event @ Great Adventure.
I can post some pics later on tonight.
#1508
here is an IS F from the Frankfurt Auto Show. Sorry I couldn't get more pics, cuz the was a ton of people around and a line to sit in the car. I think it looks great. 400 hp and 350 lb/ft sounds alright to me.
#1509
Originally Posted by cbptls
There was a white IS-F at the Taste of Lexus this weekend. It was produced in June 2007.
I can post some pics later on tonight.
I can post some pics later on tonight.
#1510
Originally Posted by F23A4
Pearlized white. I sat in it, liked the seat support, did not like the metallic carbon fiber trim and noted the 2UR-GSE tag under the hood.
The interior is well put together. I dunno if I like the light carbon fiber trim that they had in there, and the seat color combo wasn't my cup of tea but it was still cool. I was just option the interior with different colors. It looked to be high quality.
I tried to convice the rep to let me drive it but he didn't budge. It was funny, when I asked him to sart th car he started laughing saying that I was the first person that had acutally asked him to do it. I was surprised, but he basically said no one ever asked so he never started it. I liked it.
#1511
I think an all black leather interior (cliched maybe) with some traditional carbon fiber (also a bit cliched maybe) would have been more my taste. (I actually prefer the IS350's interior though, the IS-F's is very distinct by comparison.)
#1512
Automatic only.
Lexus Launches 'IS F' in Japan
TOKYO, October 4, 2007 - Lexus announced today that it will begin sales in Japan, starting on December 25, of the "IS F"*.
The IS F is a Lexus "F" premium sports car based on the concept of proposing a new level of performance for Lexus through a refinement of basic performance with the addition of new cruising technology. The vehicle was developed to pursue, to the fullest extent possible, the "joy of driving" - which is one of the fundamental appeals of the automobile - by responding reliably and performing as intended.
Based on the IS series, the IS F boasts a completely new engine and transmission, an exclusive suspension and specially selected aluminum wheels and tires. The vehicle was tested extensively on race circuits in Japan and overseas, including Fuji Speedway, in order to demonstrate its full potential. Detailed attention to the responsiveness of the acceleration, gear shifting, steering and brakes, as well as to the actual experience of quality (such as engine sound and the sensation of acceleration), has created a new type of driving pleasure - not just for the driver but for passengers as well - thus expressing the emotional appeal of the Lexus brand.
* Based on the idea of creating a vehicle that can run on various types of roads, the vehicle was extensively tested on race circuits, including Higashifuji Technical Center and Fuji Speedway. The "F" in the IS F name comes from the "F" in "Fuji Speedway".
Monthly Sales Target (in Japan): 40 units
Assembly Plant : Tahara Plant, Toyota Motor Corporation
Model: IS F
Engine: 2UR-GSE
Powertrain: 5.0-liter V8, Front-engine, rear-wheel drive
Transmission: 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift
1. Performance that Can Maximize Driving Pleasure
The newly developed 5.0-liter V8 engine is a D-4S (direct injection four-stroke gasoline engine, superior version) that combines both port and direct fuel injection. Advanced technologies, including electric motor-driven VVT-iE (Variable Valve Timing-intelligent system by Electric motor) on the intake side of the Dual VVT-i (Dual Variable Valve Timing-intelligent system), maximize the performance of the engine. This naturally aspirated engine provides a feeling of linear acceleration, high acceleration response and powerful, enjoyable acceleration even at high engine speeds.
By adopting the dual-intake system, the IS F provides smooth and even torque at low or medium engine speeds and high torque with both air inlets open at high engine speeds. In addition, the engine sound goes through three transitions in line with rpm to offer true sports car stimulation.
Engine Specifications
Model: 2UR-GSE
Type: V8 DOHC
Displacement [cc]: 4,968
Bore x stroke [mm]: 94.0 x 89.5
Fuel supply system: D-4S (direct fuel injection + port fuel injection)
Fuel type: Premium unleaded gasoline
Compression ratio: 11.8:1
Maximum output [kW (PS) / rpm]: 311 (423) / 6,600
Maximum torque [N-m (kg-m) / rpm]: 505 (51.5) / 5,200
Exhaust emissions levels compared to the Japanese 2005 standards(1): 75% lower
Fuel efficiency in the 10-15 Japanese test cycle(2) [km/l]: 8.2
1. Specified under the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport's (MLIT) Approval System for Low-emission Vehicles
2. Outlined by MLIT
The 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift transmission is based on the eight-speed automatic transmission used on the LS460 series, with electronic control technology that provides the benefits of both the smooth shifting of an automatic transmission for comfortable driving and a full-scale, sporty manual transmission that does not need a clutch - which is without precedent anywhere in the world* for an eight-speed transmission. The two-pedal sports transmission also offers new value and perfectly suits a premium sports car. In addition to smooth shifting when the lever is in "D", the torque converter allows smooth and powerful acceleration when starting up in first-gear by putting the lever in "M". In gears two through eight, the direct connection between the engine and the transmission results in direct acceleration response. While achieving one of the fastest gear-change responses in the world, the transmission also has a blipping (revving) control feature that-in the fashion of the heel and toe technique used by race drivers-automatically increases engine rotation speed during downshifts to avoid downshift jolts. In addition, the IS F also features a special paddle shifter that can be operated without the need to remove one's hand from the steering wheel.
The springs, shock absorbers, stabilizers and other parts have been optimally tuned for an exclusive suspension that is based on the IS series suspension, which provides both outstanding stability and a feeling of agility. The vehicle offers excellent cruising performance that is capable of handling race circuits.
In addition to 19-inch forged aluminum wheels that are both strong and light, the IS F uses large-diameter, wide 225/40R19 tires at the front and 255/35R19 tires at the rear for superior gripping performance, excellent handling and cruising stability.
The IS F has high-performance brakes that can withstand even extreme braking on race circuits.
The VDIM (Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management) system stabilizes the vehicle by coordinating control and achieving an optimum balance between drive power, steering and braking, thus allowing high preventive safety. The IS F's VDIM has a "sports" mode that ensures safety while maximizing vehicle performance.
2. Interior and Exterior Designs and Exclusive Equipment Appeal to a Sports Car Mindset
The hood, grille, front fenders and front and rear bumpers, rocker panel molding, rear spoiler and other elements were designed exclusively for the IS F based on the Lexus design philosophy "L-finesse"*. The exterior styling has a dynamic yet simple form that expresses the vehicle's cruising performance and functionality.
The sharply contrasted interior uses the colors black and white with blue accents that are exquisitely placed. The center console and armrests feature special ornamentation.
The gauges have an exclusive metal ring achieved through cutting work. The gauge needles feature blue LEDs and a speedometer that goes up to 300km/h. (Vehicles with domestic specifications have a function to limit speeds that activates at 180km/h.)
The four sports-car-style seats emphasize a degree of holding power that can withstand cruising on race circuits. The 14-speaker Mark Levinson® premium surround-sound audio system has been tuned specifically for the IS F (optional on all vehicles in the series).
*Created by combining "leading-edge" and "finesse" design concepts
3. Class-leading Safety and Environmental Performance*
The Pre-crash Safety System, which uses millimeter-wave radar, warns drivers that a front-end collision is imminent and works to reduce injury if an accident occurs (optional on all vehicles in the series).
Along with an impact-absorbing body and strong cabin, the IS F achieves further contributions to class-leading safety performance through dual-stage SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) airbags for the driver and front passenger seat (SRS twin-chamber airbag for the front passenger seat); SRS knee airbags for the driver and front passenger seat; SRS side airbags for the driver and front passenger seat; and SRS curtain shield airbags for both front and rear seats.
Efforts were made to improve fuel efficiency in order to reduce CO2 emissions. The vehicle boasts a fuel efficiency of 8.2km/l in the 10-15 test cycle outlined by the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport (MLIT) with CO2 emissions under the test cycle just 283g/km. Both NOx (nitrogen oxides) and NMHC (non-methane hydrocarbons) have also been reduced, achieving emissions levels 75% lower than the 2005 standards under the MLIT's Approval System for Low-emission Vehicles.
The IS F benefits from Eco-VAS (Eco-Vehicle Assessment System) - Toyota's original comprehensive environmental impact assessment system - achieving overall reduction of environmental impact throughout the vehicle's entire lifecycle. Environmental targets were set in the initial vehicle development stage and a life cycle assessment was carried out to achieve a reduction of air contaminants and CO2, etc., throughout all stages of the vehicle's life from production and use to disposal.
In addition to using highly recyclable materials, greater attention has been paid to the environment by, among other means, reducing the use of substances of concern such as lead, mercury, cadmium and hexavalent chromium, achieving the Japanese automobile industry's voluntary goals of eliminating the use of these substances.
Lexus Launches 'IS F' in Japan
TOKYO, October 4, 2007 - Lexus announced today that it will begin sales in Japan, starting on December 25, of the "IS F"*.
The IS F is a Lexus "F" premium sports car based on the concept of proposing a new level of performance for Lexus through a refinement of basic performance with the addition of new cruising technology. The vehicle was developed to pursue, to the fullest extent possible, the "joy of driving" - which is one of the fundamental appeals of the automobile - by responding reliably and performing as intended.
Based on the IS series, the IS F boasts a completely new engine and transmission, an exclusive suspension and specially selected aluminum wheels and tires. The vehicle was tested extensively on race circuits in Japan and overseas, including Fuji Speedway, in order to demonstrate its full potential. Detailed attention to the responsiveness of the acceleration, gear shifting, steering and brakes, as well as to the actual experience of quality (such as engine sound and the sensation of acceleration), has created a new type of driving pleasure - not just for the driver but for passengers as well - thus expressing the emotional appeal of the Lexus brand.
* Based on the idea of creating a vehicle that can run on various types of roads, the vehicle was extensively tested on race circuits, including Higashifuji Technical Center and Fuji Speedway. The "F" in the IS F name comes from the "F" in "Fuji Speedway".
Monthly Sales Target (in Japan): 40 units
Assembly Plant : Tahara Plant, Toyota Motor Corporation
Model: IS F
Engine: 2UR-GSE
Powertrain: 5.0-liter V8, Front-engine, rear-wheel drive
Transmission: 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift
1. Performance that Can Maximize Driving Pleasure
The newly developed 5.0-liter V8 engine is a D-4S (direct injection four-stroke gasoline engine, superior version) that combines both port and direct fuel injection. Advanced technologies, including electric motor-driven VVT-iE (Variable Valve Timing-intelligent system by Electric motor) on the intake side of the Dual VVT-i (Dual Variable Valve Timing-intelligent system), maximize the performance of the engine. This naturally aspirated engine provides a feeling of linear acceleration, high acceleration response and powerful, enjoyable acceleration even at high engine speeds.
By adopting the dual-intake system, the IS F provides smooth and even torque at low or medium engine speeds and high torque with both air inlets open at high engine speeds. In addition, the engine sound goes through three transitions in line with rpm to offer true sports car stimulation.
Engine Specifications
Model: 2UR-GSE
Type: V8 DOHC
Displacement [cc]: 4,968
Bore x stroke [mm]: 94.0 x 89.5
Fuel supply system: D-4S (direct fuel injection + port fuel injection)
Fuel type: Premium unleaded gasoline
Compression ratio: 11.8:1
Maximum output [kW (PS) / rpm]: 311 (423) / 6,600
Maximum torque [N-m (kg-m) / rpm]: 505 (51.5) / 5,200
Exhaust emissions levels compared to the Japanese 2005 standards(1): 75% lower
Fuel efficiency in the 10-15 Japanese test cycle(2) [km/l]: 8.2
1. Specified under the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport's (MLIT) Approval System for Low-emission Vehicles
2. Outlined by MLIT
The 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift transmission is based on the eight-speed automatic transmission used on the LS460 series, with electronic control technology that provides the benefits of both the smooth shifting of an automatic transmission for comfortable driving and a full-scale, sporty manual transmission that does not need a clutch - which is without precedent anywhere in the world* for an eight-speed transmission. The two-pedal sports transmission also offers new value and perfectly suits a premium sports car. In addition to smooth shifting when the lever is in "D", the torque converter allows smooth and powerful acceleration when starting up in first-gear by putting the lever in "M". In gears two through eight, the direct connection between the engine and the transmission results in direct acceleration response. While achieving one of the fastest gear-change responses in the world, the transmission also has a blipping (revving) control feature that-in the fashion of the heel and toe technique used by race drivers-automatically increases engine rotation speed during downshifts to avoid downshift jolts. In addition, the IS F also features a special paddle shifter that can be operated without the need to remove one's hand from the steering wheel.
The springs, shock absorbers, stabilizers and other parts have been optimally tuned for an exclusive suspension that is based on the IS series suspension, which provides both outstanding stability and a feeling of agility. The vehicle offers excellent cruising performance that is capable of handling race circuits.
In addition to 19-inch forged aluminum wheels that are both strong and light, the IS F uses large-diameter, wide 225/40R19 tires at the front and 255/35R19 tires at the rear for superior gripping performance, excellent handling and cruising stability.
The IS F has high-performance brakes that can withstand even extreme braking on race circuits.
The VDIM (Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management) system stabilizes the vehicle by coordinating control and achieving an optimum balance between drive power, steering and braking, thus allowing high preventive safety. The IS F's VDIM has a "sports" mode that ensures safety while maximizing vehicle performance.
2. Interior and Exterior Designs and Exclusive Equipment Appeal to a Sports Car Mindset
The hood, grille, front fenders and front and rear bumpers, rocker panel molding, rear spoiler and other elements were designed exclusively for the IS F based on the Lexus design philosophy "L-finesse"*. The exterior styling has a dynamic yet simple form that expresses the vehicle's cruising performance and functionality.
The sharply contrasted interior uses the colors black and white with blue accents that are exquisitely placed. The center console and armrests feature special ornamentation.
The gauges have an exclusive metal ring achieved through cutting work. The gauge needles feature blue LEDs and a speedometer that goes up to 300km/h. (Vehicles with domestic specifications have a function to limit speeds that activates at 180km/h.)
The four sports-car-style seats emphasize a degree of holding power that can withstand cruising on race circuits. The 14-speaker Mark Levinson® premium surround-sound audio system has been tuned specifically for the IS F (optional on all vehicles in the series).
*Created by combining "leading-edge" and "finesse" design concepts
3. Class-leading Safety and Environmental Performance*
The Pre-crash Safety System, which uses millimeter-wave radar, warns drivers that a front-end collision is imminent and works to reduce injury if an accident occurs (optional on all vehicles in the series).
Along with an impact-absorbing body and strong cabin, the IS F achieves further contributions to class-leading safety performance through dual-stage SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) airbags for the driver and front passenger seat (SRS twin-chamber airbag for the front passenger seat); SRS knee airbags for the driver and front passenger seat; SRS side airbags for the driver and front passenger seat; and SRS curtain shield airbags for both front and rear seats.
Efforts were made to improve fuel efficiency in order to reduce CO2 emissions. The vehicle boasts a fuel efficiency of 8.2km/l in the 10-15 test cycle outlined by the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport (MLIT) with CO2 emissions under the test cycle just 283g/km. Both NOx (nitrogen oxides) and NMHC (non-methane hydrocarbons) have also been reduced, achieving emissions levels 75% lower than the 2005 standards under the MLIT's Approval System for Low-emission Vehicles.
The IS F benefits from Eco-VAS (Eco-Vehicle Assessment System) - Toyota's original comprehensive environmental impact assessment system - achieving overall reduction of environmental impact throughout the vehicle's entire lifecycle. Environmental targets were set in the initial vehicle development stage and a life cycle assessment was carried out to achieve a reduction of air contaminants and CO2, etc., throughout all stages of the vehicle's life from production and use to disposal.
In addition to using highly recyclable materials, greater attention has been paid to the environment by, among other means, reducing the use of substances of concern such as lead, mercury, cadmium and hexavalent chromium, achieving the Japanese automobile industry's voluntary goals of eliminating the use of these substances.
#1514
Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
i really like it, but i still can't get over the bulging hood.
I just think they're getting a little crazy with the "F"s all over the place. There is a big F on the gauges, one on the SW, key fob, side of the seats, guessing door sills, and three on the exterior.
#1515
Originally Posted by Beltfed
Doesn't look any worse than the M3s imho....in person to me the car looks great and comes together well.
I just think they're getting a little crazy with the "F"s all over the place. There is a big F on the gauges, one on the SW, key fob, side of the seats, guessing door sills, and three on the exterior.
I just think they're getting a little crazy with the "F"s all over the place. There is a big F on the gauges, one on the SW, key fob, side of the seats, guessing door sills, and three on the exterior.
but the m3's isn't as bad in my opinion.
but once again, maybe that will change.
if the estimated $57,000 price tag is true, that's one check in favor for the IS-F to me.
#1516
#1517
Hey ...
You can order one for Christmas in this year's Nieman Marcus catalog!
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/si...mas&icid=NMCB]
If the link doesn't work ... go to the Nieman Marcus website ... search for Lexus.
All yours for the low, low, low price of US$68k! (It's one of 50 ... and these usually sell out in minutes ... so get online at noon EDT today to get your copy!)
Lexus official press release:
http://www.lexus.com/isf/isf/news.ht...cid=ISFNeimanM
You can order one for Christmas in this year's Nieman Marcus catalog!
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/si...mas&icid=NMCB]
If the link doesn't work ... go to the Nieman Marcus website ... search for Lexus.
All yours for the low, low, low price of US$68k! (It's one of 50 ... and these usually sell out in minutes ... so get online at noon EDT today to get your copy!)
Lexus official press release:
http://www.lexus.com/isf/isf/news.ht...cid=ISFNeimanM
#1518
New Lexus IS-F review in Winding Road
Looks promising...
http://magazine.windingroad.com/wind...00712/?folio=1
Sorry if posted in the wrong thread
http://magazine.windingroad.com/wind...00712/?folio=1
Sorry if posted in the wrong thread
#1519
Comparison Test: 2007 Audi RS4 vs. 2008 Lexus IS-F
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*
Can Lexus Take Down the Germans Again?
By Daniel Pund, Senior Editor, Detroit Email
Date posted: 10-28-2007
With the introduction of the 2009 Lexus IS-F, it's supposed to be 1989 all over again.
That was the year that Toyota dared to take on the established German luxury carmakers with its brand-new luxury division, Lexus. And it was also the year that the Lexus LS 400 sedan's immediate success embarrassed those German luxury carmakers into dramatically improving their quality, their customer service and even their prices.
Lexus would like you to believe that the 416-horsepower IS-F will have a similar impact on the market for over-endowed hot-rod sedans that is dominated by (you guessed it) the Germans. The "F" suffix for this new variant of the IS is a nod to the early days of Lexus, when "F1" became the code designation for the LS 400 prototype.
But Wait Just a Minute There
Don't don your bomber jacket, crank up the Whitesnake and pretend it's 1989 just yet. There's the small matter of those three German sedans, each of which makes around the same 400-plus horsepower as the IS-F.
To put the $60,000 2009 Lexus IS-F to the test, we rounded up one of our favorite German über-sedans, the Audi RS4. We left out the BMW M3 partly because it is only currently offered as a two-door and also because it hasn't, you know, actually been formally introduced to the U.S. yet. And the same goes for the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.
For now, though, it is a battle between the bulked-up, slammed-down Lexus IS-F and the Audi RS4, the all-wheel-drive A4 with a 420-hp V8 that we recently described as "The Best Driving Audi Ever."
Freaky Styley
Unfortunately, before you can take a seat behind the wheel of the Lexus IS-F, you have to, you know, see it. We accept that the question of styling is largely a subjective matter. So there might be some Toyota fanboys who will admire the IS-F's nose — so like that of a Beluga whale. They might even like the dewlaplike growths behind the front wheels. But no one of sound mind could love the stacked quad exhaust tips. This is at least partly because they are not actually exhaust tips. In fact, they are not connected to the exhaust system in any way. They are simply jewelry for the rear fascia. It's an uncharacteristically cheesy execution by Lexus.
Yet when you see it slammed down almost an inch on 19-inch anthracite-finish BBS wheels, the spokes of which look like a pinwheel of razor-sharp chef's knives, the IS-F is sufficiently menacing. Glinting behind the wheels you'll find drilled and vented brake rotors with Brembo calipers. At 14.2 inches in diameter, the front rotors are slightly larger than a large Domino's pizza, while the rears are only about a half-inch smaller.
Where the IS-F has a certain look that we associate with the worst excesses of the aftermarket, the Audi is all understated musculature. It's relatively subtle, but we like it. Wide 19-inch wheels and tires are covered (barely) by dramatically flared fenders. And the special trunk lid has the sweetest ducktail spoiler formed into the metal. A lower ride height, satin-finish metal trim, a deeper front fascia and gorgeous wheels round out the RS4's visual signifiers.
The Inside Lines
Audi carries the same subtlety into the interior of the RS4. The seats are unique to the RS4, and they combine stellar support and comfort. This car also arrived with glossy strips of decorative carbon-fiber interior trim. (Brushed aluminum is also available but isn't as fast as carbon fiber.) Our test vehicle didn't come with the optional navigation system to confuse passengers or the memory-function seats to comfort them. It is what you might call a stripper if you can ever call a $68,875 car a stripper.
The poor bastards you cram in the backseat of the RS4 will become intimately acquainted with the meaning of "compact sedan" and also with each other, because the Audi rides on a 104.3-inch wheelbase that doesn't leave much legroom for those in the rear. At the same time, the rear-seat passengers for the Lexus IS-F are no more comfortable despite a wheelbase that's 3 inches longer. The Lexus seems more sporty because the rear seat accommodates only two passengers in quasi-buckets separated by an armrest, while the Audi is more practical, with three seatbelts in place on a conventional bench.
The IS-F's interior is a bit flashier than that of the austere German. Start it up and the blue needles for the tachometer and speedometer spin while a little "F" logo materializes between them. The almost-white woven-metal trim is a little showy for our taste, and the IS-F is seemingly always binging or beeping while in operation.
All Motor
Lexus could have just dropped its standard 4.6-liter V8 into the nose of the IS nose and made an easy 350 hp. Instead, the company started with the 5.0-liter V8 that is the gas-burning portion of the LS 600h powertrain. In the IS-F, the 5.0-liter makes 416 hp and 371 pound-feet of torque.
To get such power, Lexus threw everything it has at this engine. It's got titanium intake valves. It's got a water-cooled oil-cooler. It's got hollow camshafts. It's got direct injection and port injection. Hell, even the center shaft of the throttle butterfly is 3 millimeters narrower to permit incrementally better airflow when the butterfly is open.
You'll really notice the dual air intake. At low speeds, the engine breathes discreetly through the primary inlet. At engine speeds of 3,600 rpm or greater, a secondary valve opens and draws air from the right wheelwell. When that secondary air intake opens, it's as if the fine coffee you normally drink has been secretly replaced with nitromethane. The intake howl sounds fantastic and makes the IS-F feel quicker than it really is.
We wish only that Lexus could have given the engine note south of 3,600 rpm a little whiff of that high-rpm fury. Around town, only a faint rumble differentiates the IS-F's V8 from lesser Lexus motors, and you don't have any sense of the beast waiting on the right side of the tachometer.
Audi's 420-hp 4.2-liter V8 makes up for its displacement deficit with high revs, and it will constantly remind you why you write such a big check every month. It has the finest exhaust note on the market today, and the tone never wavers. There are no pronounced bursts of power in the Audi's curve; instead there's power everywhere.
Speed Shifting
If the IS-F's engine seems complicated, get a load of its one transmission offering. This eight-speed automatic is adapted from the tranny in the LS luxo barge.
Leave the shifter in fully automatic mode and you can never quite shake the impression that there are three too many gears in the box. It seems to always be lounging around in 7th on the highway and dithering among its many gears around town. Downshifts are slow to come. When it finally finds a nice low gear, the engine is spinning wildly, the engine note has turned angry and you've got more power than you asked for, plus it arrives later than you wanted it. Use the automatic mode only for traffic jams.
It's better to leave the transmission in manual mode and use the steering-column-mounted shift paddles to choose from the myriad gears. In all but 1st gear, this transmission uses a lock-up clutch to connect the engine and transmission, something like a conventional manual powertrain. When you combine the crisp feeling of engine response that results with tremendously quick upshifts and downshifts (with automatic throttle blips), the complex transmission becomes one of the most entertaining sequential-shift automatics.
The RS4 is offered only with a six-speed manual. Turns out, for a dedicated high-performance car, that old gearlever-and-clutch-pedal thing is still the way to go.
Numbers Don't (Often) Lie
Even with the roughly 70 pounds of extra weight that it carries, the 3,848-pound Audi is the quicker of these two cars.
Try this with your friend's RS4. At full stop, engage 1st gear, keep the clutch depressed and push the accelerator pedal until the tachometer registers 5,500 rpm. Then remove your foot from the clutch. All four wheels spin for a moment and then the RS4 digs its claws into the pavement and catapults forward to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and on through the quarter-mile in 12.8 seconds at 108.5 mph. The all-wheel-drive Lamborghini Gallardo posts better numbers, but not by much.
The 3,780-pound IS-F gets to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and does the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at 109 mph, trailing the RS4 to 60 mph by about a half-second and to the quarter-mile by almost as much. This is with the stability and traction control systems off (yes, Lexus actually allows such a thing, a policy initiated for its performance cars for 2007) and the transmission in Drive. Later we made our runs and manually shifted the IS-F's transmission, which feels fast but predictably isn't, especially since the launch is better in Drive.
Not that it matters. For all its displacement, technology and furious bark, the Lexus 5.0-liter doesn't make the IS-F much quicker than a BMW 335i, which makes 116 hp less.
Both cars stop with tremendous force and stability in a commendably short distance, with the Lexus coming to a halt from 60 mph in 112 feet and the Audi doing the job in 117 feet.
The Real Road and Track
The Lexus generates an impressive 0.93g of grip on the skid pad with its Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, significantly more than the Audi's 0.89g on its Continental ContiSport Contact3 rubber. Despite this, the RS4 barrels through the slalom fractionally faster at 70.5 mph to the IS-F's 70.2 mph. Give some credit here to the Audi's super-quick steering ratio and some blame to the IS-F's tail, which according to one understated tester, "gets pretty lively."
For all their similarities, including the near-identical performance in the slalom, these two cars go about their business in opposite ways. And neither acts quite like you might expect it to.
According to tradition, the Audi should lack steering feel thanks to its all-wheel-drive system. It should understeer heavily as it gets led around by its heavy nose. And it should exhibit a flinty ride. Yet the Audi has the more communicative steering here. Its cornering attitude is surprisingly neutral. And its compromise between a comfortable ride and good handling ranks with the best that BMW has accomplished over the years.
The Lexus should be the one with the plusher ride, the less treacherous handling and the more intrusive safety net of electronic gizmos. Wrong again. Front spring and damper rates are up a whopping 90 percent compared to the standard IS, and the rear rates are 50 percent firmer. This is a stiff car — so stiff over freeway undulations that it forces small, involuntary exhalations from its passengers. One of us even knocked his noggin into the headliner, badly mussing his hair.
The World We Live In
The 2009 Lexus IS-F is the kind of car that really benefits from switching off the stability control, as it'll do some really wicked powerslides. And the IS-F handles really nicely and precisely. It's just too much for us, though. Too much to look at, too intricate to fully appreciate and too hard-core for the street.
The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins.
So it's not 1989, but it might just be the good old days anyway.
By Daniel Pund, Senior Editor, Detroit Email
Date posted: 10-28-2007
With the introduction of the 2009 Lexus IS-F, it's supposed to be 1989 all over again.
That was the year that Toyota dared to take on the established German luxury carmakers with its brand-new luxury division, Lexus. And it was also the year that the Lexus LS 400 sedan's immediate success embarrassed those German luxury carmakers into dramatically improving their quality, their customer service and even their prices.
Lexus would like you to believe that the 416-horsepower IS-F will have a similar impact on the market for over-endowed hot-rod sedans that is dominated by (you guessed it) the Germans. The "F" suffix for this new variant of the IS is a nod to the early days of Lexus, when "F1" became the code designation for the LS 400 prototype.
But Wait Just a Minute There
Don't don your bomber jacket, crank up the Whitesnake and pretend it's 1989 just yet. There's the small matter of those three German sedans, each of which makes around the same 400-plus horsepower as the IS-F.
To put the $60,000 2009 Lexus IS-F to the test, we rounded up one of our favorite German über-sedans, the Audi RS4. We left out the BMW M3 partly because it is only currently offered as a two-door and also because it hasn't, you know, actually been formally introduced to the U.S. yet. And the same goes for the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.
For now, though, it is a battle between the bulked-up, slammed-down Lexus IS-F and the Audi RS4, the all-wheel-drive A4 with a 420-hp V8 that we recently described as "The Best Driving Audi Ever."
Freaky Styley
Unfortunately, before you can take a seat behind the wheel of the Lexus IS-F, you have to, you know, see it. We accept that the question of styling is largely a subjective matter. So there might be some Toyota fanboys who will admire the IS-F's nose — so like that of a Beluga whale. They might even like the dewlaplike growths behind the front wheels. But no one of sound mind could love the stacked quad exhaust tips. This is at least partly because they are not actually exhaust tips. In fact, they are not connected to the exhaust system in any way. They are simply jewelry for the rear fascia. It's an uncharacteristically cheesy execution by Lexus.
Yet when you see it slammed down almost an inch on 19-inch anthracite-finish BBS wheels, the spokes of which look like a pinwheel of razor-sharp chef's knives, the IS-F is sufficiently menacing. Glinting behind the wheels you'll find drilled and vented brake rotors with Brembo calipers. At 14.2 inches in diameter, the front rotors are slightly larger than a large Domino's pizza, while the rears are only about a half-inch smaller.
Where the IS-F has a certain look that we associate with the worst excesses of the aftermarket, the Audi is all understated musculature. It's relatively subtle, but we like it. Wide 19-inch wheels and tires are covered (barely) by dramatically flared fenders. And the special trunk lid has the sweetest ducktail spoiler formed into the metal. A lower ride height, satin-finish metal trim, a deeper front fascia and gorgeous wheels round out the RS4's visual signifiers.
The Inside Lines
Audi carries the same subtlety into the interior of the RS4. The seats are unique to the RS4, and they combine stellar support and comfort. This car also arrived with glossy strips of decorative carbon-fiber interior trim. (Brushed aluminum is also available but isn't as fast as carbon fiber.) Our test vehicle didn't come with the optional navigation system to confuse passengers or the memory-function seats to comfort them. It is what you might call a stripper if you can ever call a $68,875 car a stripper.
The poor bastards you cram in the backseat of the RS4 will become intimately acquainted with the meaning of "compact sedan" and also with each other, because the Audi rides on a 104.3-inch wheelbase that doesn't leave much legroom for those in the rear. At the same time, the rear-seat passengers for the Lexus IS-F are no more comfortable despite a wheelbase that's 3 inches longer. The Lexus seems more sporty because the rear seat accommodates only two passengers in quasi-buckets separated by an armrest, while the Audi is more practical, with three seatbelts in place on a conventional bench.
The IS-F's interior is a bit flashier than that of the austere German. Start it up and the blue needles for the tachometer and speedometer spin while a little "F" logo materializes between them. The almost-white woven-metal trim is a little showy for our taste, and the IS-F is seemingly always binging or beeping while in operation.
All Motor
Lexus could have just dropped its standard 4.6-liter V8 into the nose of the IS nose and made an easy 350 hp. Instead, the company started with the 5.0-liter V8 that is the gas-burning portion of the LS 600h powertrain. In the IS-F, the 5.0-liter makes 416 hp and 371 pound-feet of torque.
To get such power, Lexus threw everything it has at this engine. It's got titanium intake valves. It's got a water-cooled oil-cooler. It's got hollow camshafts. It's got direct injection and port injection. Hell, even the center shaft of the throttle butterfly is 3 millimeters narrower to permit incrementally better airflow when the butterfly is open.
You'll really notice the dual air intake. At low speeds, the engine breathes discreetly through the primary inlet. At engine speeds of 3,600 rpm or greater, a secondary valve opens and draws air from the right wheelwell. When that secondary air intake opens, it's as if the fine coffee you normally drink has been secretly replaced with nitromethane. The intake howl sounds fantastic and makes the IS-F feel quicker than it really is.
We wish only that Lexus could have given the engine note south of 3,600 rpm a little whiff of that high-rpm fury. Around town, only a faint rumble differentiates the IS-F's V8 from lesser Lexus motors, and you don't have any sense of the beast waiting on the right side of the tachometer.
Audi's 420-hp 4.2-liter V8 makes up for its displacement deficit with high revs, and it will constantly remind you why you write such a big check every month. It has the finest exhaust note on the market today, and the tone never wavers. There are no pronounced bursts of power in the Audi's curve; instead there's power everywhere.
Speed Shifting
If the IS-F's engine seems complicated, get a load of its one transmission offering. This eight-speed automatic is adapted from the tranny in the LS luxo barge.
Leave the shifter in fully automatic mode and you can never quite shake the impression that there are three too many gears in the box. It seems to always be lounging around in 7th on the highway and dithering among its many gears around town. Downshifts are slow to come. When it finally finds a nice low gear, the engine is spinning wildly, the engine note has turned angry and you've got more power than you asked for, plus it arrives later than you wanted it. Use the automatic mode only for traffic jams.
It's better to leave the transmission in manual mode and use the steering-column-mounted shift paddles to choose from the myriad gears. In all but 1st gear, this transmission uses a lock-up clutch to connect the engine and transmission, something like a conventional manual powertrain. When you combine the crisp feeling of engine response that results with tremendously quick upshifts and downshifts (with automatic throttle blips), the complex transmission becomes one of the most entertaining sequential-shift automatics.
The RS4 is offered only with a six-speed manual. Turns out, for a dedicated high-performance car, that old gearlever-and-clutch-pedal thing is still the way to go.
Numbers Don't (Often) Lie
Even with the roughly 70 pounds of extra weight that it carries, the 3,848-pound Audi is the quicker of these two cars.
Try this with your friend's RS4. At full stop, engage 1st gear, keep the clutch depressed and push the accelerator pedal until the tachometer registers 5,500 rpm. Then remove your foot from the clutch. All four wheels spin for a moment and then the RS4 digs its claws into the pavement and catapults forward to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and on through the quarter-mile in 12.8 seconds at 108.5 mph. The all-wheel-drive Lamborghini Gallardo posts better numbers, but not by much.
The 3,780-pound IS-F gets to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and does the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at 109 mph, trailing the RS4 to 60 mph by about a half-second and to the quarter-mile by almost as much. This is with the stability and traction control systems off (yes, Lexus actually allows such a thing, a policy initiated for its performance cars for 2007) and the transmission in Drive. Later we made our runs and manually shifted the IS-F's transmission, which feels fast but predictably isn't, especially since the launch is better in Drive.
Not that it matters. For all its displacement, technology and furious bark, the Lexus 5.0-liter doesn't make the IS-F much quicker than a BMW 335i, which makes 116 hp less.
Both cars stop with tremendous force and stability in a commendably short distance, with the Lexus coming to a halt from 60 mph in 112 feet and the Audi doing the job in 117 feet.
The Real Road and Track
The Lexus generates an impressive 0.93g of grip on the skid pad with its Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, significantly more than the Audi's 0.89g on its Continental ContiSport Contact3 rubber. Despite this, the RS4 barrels through the slalom fractionally faster at 70.5 mph to the IS-F's 70.2 mph. Give some credit here to the Audi's super-quick steering ratio and some blame to the IS-F's tail, which according to one understated tester, "gets pretty lively."
For all their similarities, including the near-identical performance in the slalom, these two cars go about their business in opposite ways. And neither acts quite like you might expect it to.
According to tradition, the Audi should lack steering feel thanks to its all-wheel-drive system. It should understeer heavily as it gets led around by its heavy nose. And it should exhibit a flinty ride. Yet the Audi has the more communicative steering here. Its cornering attitude is surprisingly neutral. And its compromise between a comfortable ride and good handling ranks with the best that BMW has accomplished over the years.
The Lexus should be the one with the plusher ride, the less treacherous handling and the more intrusive safety net of electronic gizmos. Wrong again. Front spring and damper rates are up a whopping 90 percent compared to the standard IS, and the rear rates are 50 percent firmer. This is a stiff car — so stiff over freeway undulations that it forces small, involuntary exhalations from its passengers. One of us even knocked his noggin into the headliner, badly mussing his hair.
The World We Live In
The 2009 Lexus IS-F is the kind of car that really benefits from switching off the stability control, as it'll do some really wicked powerslides. And the IS-F handles really nicely and precisely. It's just too much for us, though. Too much to look at, too intricate to fully appreciate and too hard-core for the street.
The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins.
So it's not 1989, but it might just be the good old days anyway.
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For all its displacement, technology and furious bark, the Lexus 5.0-liter doesn't make the IS-F much quicker than a BMW 335i, which makes 116 hp less.