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07-20-2005, 03:44 PM
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Official info for USA market
2006 Lexus IS - - Source: Autoweek
Lexus has officially unveiled its new Lexus IS family: The IS 250 features a 2.5-liter V6 engine and either a six-speed manual transmission, or a new six-speed automatic transmission with steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters routing power to the rear wheels. The IS 250 AWD also has the six-speed paddle-shift. The IS 350 is powered by a 3.5-liter V6 engine backed by the paddle-shifted six-speed automatic transmission. Two brand-new V6 engines debut in the new IS sedans. The 2.5-liter version found in the IS 250 uses dual Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence (VVT-i) and a new direct-to-cylinder fuel injection system to help deliver 204 horsepower and 185 lb.-ft. of torque. The new 3.5-liter version develops a best-in-class 306 horsepower and 277 lb.-ft. of torque, resulting in an estimated 0-60 mph time of 5.6 seconds. Stay tuned for the complete AutoWeek report on the new IS.
07-20-2005, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwijybo19
I'm impressed overall, but I can't get over the likeness to the Grand Prix. The c-pillar is an almost exact copy. Take a look...
I totally agree - I have always said this too - the IS, and in fact, Lexus, just does not have the exterior to match what they have to offer in the engine and interior compartments. Toyota's designers seem to be very unimaginative and create very derivative and bland designs. The new GS looks like an expensive Maxima and the IS now looks like a Pontiac with a Solara nose, plus a good dose of Scion thrown in too. I don't know, may be in real life it will look better?
On the other hand, the new 3 series looked very nice in the magazines, but I was completely underwhelmed when I saw one in my neighborhood yesterday.... it was too similar to the last generation and the new BMW signature lines/curves/contour on the sides are just too busy..... what a disappointment.
07-20-2005, 08:11 PM
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I love this car but the 350 is gonna be too much money for me. The 250, while beautiful, at 204hp, aint gonna get it. I guess I'll go back to plan B, a TL. I was hoping to see what all the hoopla surrounding Lexus quality was all about. I guess I'll just do the test drive thing. 
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Originally Posted by ostrich
I totally agree - I have always said this too - the IS, and in fact, Lexus, just does not have the exterior to match what they have to offer in the engine and interior compartments. Toyota's designers seem to be very unimaginative and create very derivative and bland designs.
Originally Posted by ostrich
The new GS looks like an expensive Maxima
Originally Posted by ostrich
and the IS now looks like a Pontiac with a Solara nose, plus a good dose of Scion thrown in too. I don't know, may be in real life it will look better?
Originally Posted by ostrich
On the other hand, the new 3 series looked very nice in the magazines, but I was completely underwhelmed when I saw one in my neighborhood yesterday.... it was too similar to the last generation and the new BMW signature lines/curves/contour on the sides are just too busy..... what a disappointment.
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Originally Posted by kansaiwalker1
No, I think both cars look sharp. But the IS350 with 300+ hp will show the TL its tailights unless Acura gives the TL another bump in horsepower.
Overall I am very impressed with the new IS350, and the IS250 should be good for those who just want the name(aka BMW 325).
Overall I am very impressed with the new IS350, and the IS250 should be good for those who just want the name(aka BMW 325).
07-23-2005, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jdone
Maybe the IS250 shopper wants the awd or the Lexus quality or the Lexus service or the Lexus reliability or the Lexus resale value? Yeah, I own a Lexus.
When I see someone with a better car it's usually someone older and driving slowly, often talking on the phone. I haven't once seen a BMW burning rubber.
It's 90% about how much power you're willing to use, and in reality most people use very little.
What I am getting every minute of my commute is superior fuel economy, great handling and more refined ergonomics. Why shouldn't these things be worth a premium just because the car doesn't come with an engine most owners wilk never use to its full potential?
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
It's surprising how much people are willing to pay for horsepower they will never use. On my daily commute I pull away from any car with my TSX when I want, and I hardly ever go full throttle.
When I see someone with a better car it's usually someone older and driving slowly, often talking on the phone. I haven't once seen a BMW burning rubber.
It's 90% about how much power you're willing to use, and in reality most people use very little.
What I am getting every minute of my commute is superior fuel economy, great handling and more refined ergonomics. Why shouldn't these things be worth a premium just because the car doesn't come with an engine most owners wilk never use to its full potential?
When I see someone with a better car it's usually someone older and driving slowly, often talking on the phone. I haven't once seen a BMW burning rubber.
It's 90% about how much power you're willing to use, and in reality most people use very little.
What I am getting every minute of my commute is superior fuel economy, great handling and more refined ergonomics. Why shouldn't these things be worth a premium just because the car doesn't come with an engine most owners wilk never use to its full potential?
07-23-2005, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
It's surprising how much people are willing to pay for horsepower they will never use. On my daily commute I pull away from any car with my TSX when I want, and I hardly ever go full throttle.
When I see someone with a better car it's usually someone older and driving slowly, often talking on the phone. I haven't once seen a BMW burning rubber.
It's 90% about how much power you're willing to use, and in reality most people use very little.
What I am getting every minute of my commute is superior fuel economy, great handling and more refined ergonomics. Why shouldn't these things be worth a premium just because the car doesn't come with an engine most owners wilk never use to its full potential?
When I see someone with a better car it's usually someone older and driving slowly, often talking on the phone. I haven't once seen a BMW burning rubber.
It's 90% about how much power you're willing to use, and in reality most people use very little.
What I am getting every minute of my commute is superior fuel economy, great handling and more refined ergonomics. Why shouldn't these things be worth a premium just because the car doesn't come with an engine most owners wilk never use to its full potential?
Also, most people have the same sentiment as you...that is one reason why the 325 and the weaker engine versions of other manufacturers outsells the bigger engine variant by several multiples.
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IMO, the G35 has done so well is because from an engineering stand point the car is excellent. For years other car companies have "claimed" to use BMW's as a benchmark but fail short. The Acura CL-S 6spd was close but was a little too late. Infiniti went after the 3 series and did well. They could have done better if materials were of higher quality and some quirky things such as the pwr seat controls were normal but over all the G deserves a serious look. I even considered one before getting my TL. Infiniti almost had me with customer service, a reclining back seat, good if not touchy brakes, and the ability to hit a 30mph curve at 65mph with out a fuss.
Infiniti has a great foundation to build upon with the next generation and let us not forget that Nissan is very much into the horse power war it helped start.
Infiniti has a great foundation to build upon with the next generation and let us not forget that Nissan is very much into the horse power war it helped start.
07-23-2005, 02:02 PM
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After seeing that the IS250 might possibly not come with the interface screen standard (like the GS) I had a thought - other than the platform being RWD what's the big deal about this car compared to a TSX? The performance will probably be no better, neither will the milage nor reliability, it's smaller and it will cost more. From the initial reviews it seems like even with the IS (cause they already missed with the GS), Lexus is leaning toward the lux side of sport in terms of handling - so then I ask again - what's the big deal? Sure it's a lot more grown up that the current IS300 and it will appeal to a more broad audience, but there's notthing earth shattering about this car. Unless I'm missing something I don't see paying anything more than 2K extra (for the RWD) over a TSX for an IS250.
Sure if you're bent on buying a 325 you might be tempted by an IS250 cause of the better value it provides (unless Lexus goes crazy with the prices), but the TSX is an even better value yet.
Sure if you're bent on buying a 325 you might be tempted by an IS250 cause of the better value it provides (unless Lexus goes crazy with the prices), but the TSX is an even better value yet.
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Originally Posted by biker
After seeing that the IS250 might possibly not come with the interface screen standard (like the GS) I had a thought - other than the platform being RWD what's the big deal about this car compared to a TSX? The performance will probably be no better, neither will the milage nor reliability, it's smaller and it will cost more. From the initial reviews it seems like even with the IS (cause they already missed with the GS), Lexus is leaning toward the lux side of sport in terms of handling - so then I ask again - what's the big deal? Sure it's a lot more grown up that the current IS300 and it will appeal to a more broad audience, but there's notthing earth shattering about this car. Unless I'm missing something I don't see paying anything more than 2K extra (for the RWD) over a TSX for an IS250.
Sure if you're bent on buying a 325 you might be tempted by an IS250 cause of the better value it provides (unless Lexus goes crazy with the prices), but the TSX is an even better value yet.
Sure if you're bent on buying a 325 you might be tempted by an IS250 cause of the better value it provides (unless Lexus goes crazy with the prices), but the TSX is an even better value yet.
07-24-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
After seeing that the IS250 might possibly not come with the interface screen standard (like the GS) I had a thought - other than the platform being RWD what's the big deal about this car compared to a TSX? The performance will probably be no better, neither will the milage nor reliability, it's smaller and it will cost more. From the initial reviews it seems like even with the IS (cause they already missed with the GS), Lexus is leaning toward the lux side of sport in terms of handling - so then I ask again - what's the big deal? Sure it's a lot more grown up that the current IS300 and it will appeal to a more broad audience, but there's notthing earth shattering about this car. Unless I'm missing something I don't see paying anything more than 2K extra (for the RWD) over a TSX for an IS250.
Sure if you're bent on buying a 325 you might be tempted by an IS250 cause of the better value it provides (unless Lexus goes crazy with the prices), but the TSX is an even better value yet.
Sure if you're bent on buying a 325 you might be tempted by an IS250 cause of the better value it provides (unless Lexus goes crazy with the prices), but the TSX is an even better value yet.
- It looks different - some people will be hooked on the looks
- It has a few features the TSX doesn't
- It's RWD, like you said
I think for many people the mantra of "RWD is better" makes them pay a premium, and I think Acura will never really make it big until they have a mainstream RWD platform.
Personally, I probably wouldn't get a 250, just like I wouldn't get a 325i. But if I had the money I sure as hell would go for a 350 or a 330i.
07-24-2005, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
I think for many people the mantra of "RWD is better" makes them pay a premium, and I think Acura will never really make it big until they have a mainstream RWD platform.
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
- Personally, I probably wouldn't get a 250, just like I wouldn't get a 325i. But if I had the money I sure as hell would go for a 350 or a 330i.
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
- It's a Lexus
- It looks different - some people will be hooked on the looks
- It has a few features the TSX doesn't
- It's RWD, like you said
I think for many people the mantra of "RWD is better" makes them pay a premium, and I think Acura will never really make it big until they have a mainstream RWD platform.
- It looks different - some people will be hooked on the looks
- It has a few features the TSX doesn't
- It's RWD, like you said
I think for many people the mantra of "RWD is better" makes them pay a premium, and I think Acura will never really make it big until they have a mainstream RWD platform.
Now I will say from what I've read, the new IS has more then a few features then the TSX. If a customer were a gadget junkie, then they will be in heavn. The only thing I see Acura adding to a TSX would be keyless access. AFS is a bit of a push along with Bi-Xenon (unless the Accord gets low beam Xenon). There are some other stuff, but we all have read that the IS is getting most of the new GS equipment.
07-25-2005, 11:07 AM
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Chief engineer, part-time rally driver helped to take next-gen Lexus IS in new direction
AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
Posted Date: 7/25/05
Suguya Fukusato may have spent most of his Toyota career as chief engineer of Toyota front-drive econoboxes, but he knows a thing or two about fast cars. He's a rally driver in his native Japan.
Fukusato also has had two Porsche 911 coupes in his stable, currently a 1980 911SC, as well as a 1989 911 Turbo he was compelled to unload because of Japan's claustrophobic traffic.
Finally, Fukusato got his chance to work on a real rear-wheel-drive sports sedan. As chief engineer of the new IS 250 and IS 350 sedans, Fukusato saw the opportunity to take Lexus in a new direction.
At the July media launch in Los Angeles, Fukusato spoke with Automotive News Staff Reporter Mark Rechtin about his latest project.
You said Lexus left out some 'must haves' from the previous IS 300. What do you mean by that?
We made a list. There were nearly 1,000 things that were missed. Most of the list is confidential. But there were some luxury touches that were not Lexus. The damping speed on the doors on the interior fixtures. The exterior paint quality, deviations in the paint and the surface flatness. The LED license plate lamp wasn't right. On the mechanical side, the ride comfort and handling performance were not up to Lexus standards. Neither was the body control and stability.
What was the benchmark for the new IS sedans?
The marketing side, not the development side, looked at the BMW 3 Series, Cadillac CTS, Acura TL, Audi A4 and Mercedes C-Class. But my personal benchmark was in my own feeling of what was right for the car.
In that sense, I decided for myself what to do. But in final comparison, we wanted performance like the BMW 330i M edition and the Mercedes-Benz AMG C32.
The original IS 300 was known for its inline-six engine. Was there ever a hope that such an engine would carry over? Or was it always known that it would be a V6?
There were several advantages to a V6. An inline-six is longer, so that moves the center of gravity point farther forward in the car, which affects handling. The inline-six also is heavier than the new V-6, and the V6 fits in a more compact space.
So why couldn't you just borrow the new 3.5-liter V6 from the Toyota Avalon? Why did you need to invent a different engine family?
The IS is the first vehicle with this new V6. It's mounted north-south, while the Avalon is mounted transverse. We couldn't borrow the Avalon engine because of that.
AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
Posted Date: 7/25/05
Suguya Fukusato may have spent most of his Toyota career as chief engineer of Toyota front-drive econoboxes, but he knows a thing or two about fast cars. He's a rally driver in his native Japan.
Fukusato also has had two Porsche 911 coupes in his stable, currently a 1980 911SC, as well as a 1989 911 Turbo he was compelled to unload because of Japan's claustrophobic traffic.
Finally, Fukusato got his chance to work on a real rear-wheel-drive sports sedan. As chief engineer of the new IS 250 and IS 350 sedans, Fukusato saw the opportunity to take Lexus in a new direction.
At the July media launch in Los Angeles, Fukusato spoke with Automotive News Staff Reporter Mark Rechtin about his latest project.
You said Lexus left out some 'must haves' from the previous IS 300. What do you mean by that?
We made a list. There were nearly 1,000 things that were missed. Most of the list is confidential. But there were some luxury touches that were not Lexus. The damping speed on the doors on the interior fixtures. The exterior paint quality, deviations in the paint and the surface flatness. The LED license plate lamp wasn't right. On the mechanical side, the ride comfort and handling performance were not up to Lexus standards. Neither was the body control and stability.
What was the benchmark for the new IS sedans?
The marketing side, not the development side, looked at the BMW 3 Series, Cadillac CTS, Acura TL, Audi A4 and Mercedes C-Class. But my personal benchmark was in my own feeling of what was right for the car.
In that sense, I decided for myself what to do. But in final comparison, we wanted performance like the BMW 330i M edition and the Mercedes-Benz AMG C32.
The original IS 300 was known for its inline-six engine. Was there ever a hope that such an engine would carry over? Or was it always known that it would be a V6?
There were several advantages to a V6. An inline-six is longer, so that moves the center of gravity point farther forward in the car, which affects handling. The inline-six also is heavier than the new V-6, and the V6 fits in a more compact space.
So why couldn't you just borrow the new 3.5-liter V6 from the Toyota Avalon? Why did you need to invent a different engine family?
The IS is the first vehicle with this new V6. It's mounted north-south, while the Avalon is mounted transverse. We couldn't borrow the Avalon engine because of that.
I had no idea the 3.5L in the IS was an all-new engine. I thought it was shared with the Avalon.
This just reminds me how for a "Engine Company" Honda has very few engines.
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I too thouth the IS was using the Avalon's engine and like you I wonder why is it that Honda has so few engines in the US. On a global scale I guess Honda is fine but when looking at the US market, you have sevarl i-4's but the V6 count is low and they are all related. The 3.0 spawned the 3.2 and 3.5. The 3.5 was updated for the MDX and put into the Ody, Pilot, Ridgeline, and RL. It would have been nice to see the RL with an all new engine different from the current 3.5 and a much stronger engine in the Ridgeline (I'm not speaking of a V8).
My biggest question is what can we expect from the next TL engine wise.
I had no idea the 3.5L in the IS was an all-new engine. I thought it was shared with the Avalon.
This just reminds me how for a "Engine Company" Honda has very few engines.
My biggest question is what can we expect from the next TL engine wise.
I had no idea the 3.5L in the IS was an all-new engine. I thought it was shared with the Avalon.
This just reminds me how for a "Engine Company" Honda has very few engines.
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
I think this new IS will be a mega hit for Lexus, good for them, if I didn't have my TL, I'd pick one of these up for sure 
07-25-2005, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Crafted
Has Lexus really not had a hit. I mean eveything they come out with has the Midas Touch. The IS may give the new 3 a run for its money and with all of the tech gadgets it has not to mention the soon to be released variations.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
The IS300 was a failure and really did nothing for Lexus. It wasn't a bad car...just BMW was much better. Everything else Lexus has made though is a big hit and this new IS will be a tough competitor in this market segment. I think BMW is in big trouble...
Nothing has come close to betting BMW except the G35/C and CL-S 6 spd. The IS lacked passion. True it was not the usual Lexus in the interier department but wasn't ment to be at the time. It was to provide a lower price point for those who may not have considered a Lexus. To that end they succeeded with the average buyer age under 30. This new IS is more serious in the sport sedan area and by offering the 250 they will still get Lexus hopefulls into showrooms but it will be the 350 that gets customers to look in the first place. And if automotive therory holds true then those 250 owners will move up market as their incomes become greater.
07-25-2005, 02:40 PM
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Can't remember where I saw the number but it was somewhere in this forum last week. BMW sold close to 100K 3 series compared to the 15K or so IS's sold.
Lexus has a LOOOONG way to go to catch the 3. The new IS is most definently a step in the right direction but it will take several years before they make up that ground if at all.
Lexus has a LOOOONG way to go to catch the 3. The new IS is most definently a step in the right direction but it will take several years before they make up that ground if at all.
07-25-2005, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Crafted
Nothing has come close to betting BMW except the G35/C and CL-S 6 spd. The IS lacked passion. True it was not the usual Lexus in the interier department but wasn't ment to be at the time. It was to provide a lower price point for those who may not have considered a Lexus. To that end they succeeded with the average buyer age under 30. This new IS is more serious in the sport sedan area and by offering the 250 they will still get Lexus hopefulls into showrooms but it will be the 350 that gets customers to look in the first place. And if automotive therory holds true then those 250 owners will move up market as their incomes become greater.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
I wasn't really talking about the essence of the car but the sales figure. It really was abysmal. I believe the G35 sold more last year alone (both sedan and coupe) than the IS300 ever sold. Ironically, the FWD and very ponderous handling ES330 has sold very very well. It was the complete opposite with Infiniti where the the RWD, crappy interior G35 easily outsold the plusher, FWD I35.
I like to think of the ES as a "poor man's LS".
07-26-2005, 02:04 AM
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Can't remember where I saw the number but it was somewhere in this forum last week. BMW sold close to 100K 3 series compared to the 15K or so IS's sold.
Lexus has a LOOOONG way to go to catch the 3. The new IS is most definently a step in the right direction but it will take several years before they make up that ground if at all.
Lexus has a LOOOONG way to go to catch the 3. The new IS is most definently a step in the right direction but it will take several years before they make up that ground if at all.
Basically the IS will be on par with the TSX sales levels - because in reality the largest volume model, RWD IS250, is a TSX competitor.
07-27-2005, 02:40 AM
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From the TL board:
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
It would be pretty tempting at these levels depending on what is included on the base car.
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
It would be pretty tempting at these levels depending on what is included on the base car.
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Originally Posted by biker
From the TL board:
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
It would be pretty tempting at these levels depending on what is included on the base car.
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
It would be pretty tempting at these levels depending on what is included on the base car.
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Originally Posted by dom
So the 250 will be in the low 30's once optioned out. Doesn't have nearly the power output it should for that price IMO.
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Originally Posted by biker
From the TL board:
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
It would be pretty tempting at these levels depending on what is included on the base car.
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
It would be pretty tempting at these levels depending on what is included on the base car.
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IS350 starts at 42k!!!
i just saw the price of the new lexus IS350 and the MSRP is close to 42K!!!
it is way more than my budget and much more expensive than the TL and G35 6MT, guess it will be out of my shopping list....
it is way more than my budget and much more expensive than the TL and G35 6MT, guess it will be out of my shopping list....
$$ or US $$?
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From the TL board:
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
sorry it's fully loaded, but still very steep since it's in USD, the price is very close to a 330i
Pricing
2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD
2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
sorry it's fully loaded, but still very steep since it's in USD, the price is very close to a 330i
07-28-2005, 01:34 AM
#880
Team Owner
42k for a fully loaded is350 is reasonable to me. with all the HP + LEXUS badge... it deserves 42k.....