Infiniti: G-Series news **Next Generation Spied (page 75)**
08-24-2006, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
I don't see a G25C being introduced. Atleast not at launch. I see a G25, G35, and G35C.
At least, I do not see a G25C stateside. Maybe a VQ25HR powered Nissan Skyline 250GT in other markets. (not unlike the QR25DE powered Nissan Murano 250XL sold in Singapore.)
08-24-2006, 03:13 PM
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Whoops if it was Motor Trend, it was my mistake. But, I know that Car and Driver they also have a Beemer bias too.
This is a puzzling question:
Why don't consumers complain about the plain interior and orange gauges on BMW's?
That was the worst complaint about Infiniti interiors, so why not criticize BMW too? I am criticizing Bavarian Motor Works for their lack of refinement in their interiors.
This is a puzzling question:
Why don't consumers complain about the plain interior and orange gauges on BMW's?
That was the worst complaint about Infiniti interiors, so why not criticize BMW too? I am criticizing Bavarian Motor Works for their lack of refinement in their interiors.
08-24-2006, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
How about a VQ G25C with FI *drool*
Probably cheaper than a G35C
Probably cheaper than a G35C
The whole point of a G25 is to have something to counter the 328 and IS250 and have decent milage. From their cost cutting ways I don't even see Nissan adding DI to either engine any time soon - that just costs too much money. Nissan would go the cheap way to gain more HP - displacement.
08-24-2006, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
At least, I do not see a G25C stateside.
08-24-2006, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
It wouldn't make sense - the added HP would put it back up to G35 levels.
The whole point of a G25 is to have something to counter the 328 and IS250 and have decent milage. From their cost cutting ways I don't even see Nissan adding DI to either engine any time soon - that just costs too much money. Nissan would go the cheap way to gain more HP - displacement.
The whole point of a G25 is to have something to counter the 328 and IS250 and have decent milage. From their cost cutting ways I don't even see Nissan adding DI to either engine any time soon - that just costs too much money. Nissan would go the cheap way to gain more HP - displacement.
08-24-2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Thanks for the link! I just saw that article and now I have no respect for the idiotic car and driver editors anymore. Their BMW bias have gone to their heads.
In that side by side comparison pic with the 330i and the G35, the G35 looks more aggressive, nicer interior now, is thousands cheaper, and outperforms the BMW. Stupid C&D, they're pathetic!
In that side by side comparison pic with the 330i and the G35, the G35 looks more aggressive, nicer interior now, is thousands cheaper, and outperforms the BMW. Stupid C&D, they're pathetic!
08-25-2006, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mg7726
it looks like the G35 still can't win... no love for the G 
http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113463
http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113463
Interesting. Seemed like they were saying the g35 is kinda hard to control whereas the bmw did things more with grace on the track.
The only way they got the slalom to be close was to have the G35 traction off while leaving the 330 on? Not really fair...
Dang, the G35 did 14.0 flat in hot and humid weather...
What i find interesting is that they say the G35 has a rougher ride compared to the 330 that has runflats?
08-25-2006, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Sorry, I meant aftermarket
08-25-2006, 08:40 PM
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I don't see why Infiniti would want to 'downgrade' with a G25. Remember the J20 -- that quirky looking car? OK ... the G25 would have a G body with a smaller (more fuel efficient?) motor. I understand the idea of an 'entry level' car to get people into the brand ... but is the right way? The G is the bread & butter for Infiniti so I suppose this would make sense ...
08-25-2006, 08:42 PM
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The J20? I never heard of that Infiniti car being sold in the USA. I've heard of the J30 though.
They need to make a G25 to attract people who are cross shopping with a TSX, IS250, S40, C240, and an A4 2.0.
They need to make a G25 to attract people who are cross shopping with a TSX, IS250, S40, C240, and an A4 2.0.
08-26-2006, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by derrick
I don't see why Infiniti would want to 'downgrade' with a G25. Remember the J20 -- that quirky looking car? OK ... the G25 would have a G body with a smaller (more fuel efficient?) motor. I understand the idea of an 'entry level' car to get people into the brand ... but is the right way? The G is the bread & butter for Infiniti so I suppose this would make sense ...
08-26-2006, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
This is more proof that we will see a G25 sold in the USA this time.
NISSAN DEVELOPS NEW-GENERATION V6 ENGINES - - Source: http://www.nissan-global.com/
NISSAN DEVELOPS NEW-GENERATION V6 ENGINES - - Source: http://www.nissan-global.com/
08-26-2006, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
You mean the G20. That car and the current G has NOTHING in common, other than the G designation. The G20 smaller than the current G, with a 4banger. It'd be direct compeition for the TSX. Is this the "right way?" Absolutely. Every other car maker has a standard, bread and butter engine and an optional upgrade engine for this segment. The C, IS, 3, A4, and now the G will have an optional engine with more power.
....I think he might have meant J30 as that had what could be considered a "quirky" look.
08-26-2006, 10:03 PM
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MT Mag does a comparo of the 330i Sport and the new G35S. The numbers showed a tie but the discretionary vote went to the 330i as "the better car" because of its "sublime and vice free chassis dynamics".
Both cars with 6 speed manual trannies.
0-60
330i = 6.2
G35S = 5.4
1/4
330i = 14.7@94.5
G35S = 14.0@100.4
60-0
330i = 115ft
G35S = 112
Lat. Acc.
330i = 0.90g
G35S = 0.90g
Figure 8
330i = 26.1sec @ 0.67g avg
G35S = 26.1 sec @ 0.69g
Price as tested
330i = 45K
G35S = 36K
Both cars with 6 speed manual trannies.
0-60
330i = 6.2
G35S = 5.4
1/4
330i = 14.7@94.5
G35S = 14.0@100.4
60-0
330i = 115ft
G35S = 112
Lat. Acc.
330i = 0.90g
G35S = 0.90g
Figure 8
330i = 26.1sec @ 0.67g avg
G35S = 26.1 sec @ 0.69g
Price as tested
330i = 45K
G35S = 36K
08-26-2006, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
You mean the G20. That car and the current G has NOTHING in common, other than the G designation. The G20 smaller than the current G, with a 4banger. It'd be direct compeition for the TSX.
Very interested to see how this will all unfold. I wonder WHEN will Infiniti reveal their plans? The G35 is announced to appear in November ... why would they release a G25 later on? Conventional wisdom would dictate the more powerful model be released afterwards or a joint launch...
08-27-2006, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tnl_tsx
the 1/4 mile trap speed looks weird
When stock, my Maxima consistently posted times in the 14.7-14.8 range with traps between 92-93mph. Not unlike the 330i here. But,
with you in that something seems suspect. I suspect that the 330i is likely to be much quicker than time posted above. A 325i MT in C/D posted an identical time. LINK
08-27-2006, 12:02 PM
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Did they use a base 2007 G35S?
Same equipment:
2006 330i
Base $37,295
Sport $1600
Premium $2200
Cold Weather $1000
Navi $2000
Total = $44,095
2006 G35
Base $31,850
Premium $3150
Navi $1800
Total = $36,800
Same equipment:
2006 330i
Base $37,295
Sport $1600
Premium $2200
Cold Weather $1000
Navi $2000
Total = $44,095
2006 G35
Base $31,850
Premium $3150
Navi $1800
Total = $36,800
08-27-2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
i bet the g35 would be faster once its broken in. their test car had only 200 miles on it while the bimmer had 2-3k
Both my Maxima and Murano became noteably quicker after break in.
08-27-2006, 06:21 PM
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The 3 series comparo is now old news with the arrival of 328 and 335.
Many decisions on model intros are made a very long time before the actual intro (see some of the long lead timelines of some GM models) - like 18+mo. At the time of the G redesign (2+ years ago) a G25 may have not made sense (like many people on this board thought). The thrist for more fuel efficient cars by the car buying public changed all that. Even if Nissan gave the go ahead to make a G25 for the US a year ago it would take them 1-2 years to get everything place (EPA testing) to make the car a reality. So a spring intro for the G25 is a reasonable time table.
Many decisions on model intros are made a very long time before the actual intro (see some of the long lead timelines of some GM models) - like 18+mo. At the time of the G redesign (2+ years ago) a G25 may have not made sense (like many people on this board thought). The thrist for more fuel efficient cars by the car buying public changed all that. Even if Nissan gave the go ahead to make a G25 for the US a year ago it would take them 1-2 years to get everything place (EPA testing) to make the car a reality. So a spring intro for the G25 is a reasonable time table.
08-27-2006, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
When stock, my Maxima consistently posted times in the 14.7-14.8 range with traps between 92-93mph. Not unlike the 330i here. But,
with you in that something seems suspect. I suspect that the 330i is likely to be much quicker than time posted above. A 325i MT in C/D posted an identical time. LINK
08-27-2006, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
The 3 series comparo is now old news with the arrival of 328 and 335.
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08-27-2006, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
THe 328 and 335 apply only on the coupes for now, right? I am sure we will see the turbo engine in the sedan as a 335i but I am guessing they will price it higher than the current 330.
08-27-2006, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I dont see anything wrong with the trap time. This shows how well the BMW hooks at launch and the low gearing helping it to achieve great times with low trap speeds.
I was referring to the 330i times (you posted) that ostensibly match that of Car & Driver's 325i detailed in the link I provided.
08-27-2006, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sipark
9K difference..I really have to start test driving these things when the coupes come out...
08-28-2006, 01:59 AM
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Dang, the G35 did 14.0 flat in hot and humid weather...
08-28-2006, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
BUT for $9000 you get "sublime and vice free chassis dynamics"
I really have to start test driving these things when the coupes come out...
I really have to start test driving these things when the coupes come out...
08-29-2006, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by oemtsxparts
"sublime and vice free chassis dynamics" = white power ultimate machine superiority complex
08-29-2006, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by titan
EXCATLY... I didn't want to comment on the article until I read it myself. I ended up reading it twice... I coudln't believe it. The G won a clear majoritiy of it's tests, even thought the engine hadn't been broken in. All MT could was that the 3 had "magic" handling. I've driven the 3, and it's a damned good car, but WTF. Except for some extreme tests, it seems it was outclassed by the 3 this time around, and MT's only justification was it's "sublime and vice free chassis dynamics." ... Get the Fuck outta here...
08-29-2006, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by titan
EXCATLY... I didn't want to comment on the article until I read it myself. I ended up reading it twice... I coudln't believe it. The G won a clear majoritiy of it's tests, even thought the engine hadn't been broken in. All MT could was that the 3 had "magic" handling. I've driven the 3, and it's a damned good car, but WTF. Except for some extreme tests, it seems it was outclassed by the 3 this time around, and MT's only justification was it's "sublime and vice free chassis dynamics." ... Get the Fuck outta here...
08-29-2006, 12:34 PM
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dude, but its a real racists issue white people have..... i mean, im thankful that they went around the world with their guns and bombs, stole enough money from other nations to live comfortable and have more time and money to invent things before others, and play while black slaves do your work. But people have to realize times have change. For example television was the pride and joy of the us when it was made here, but no one makes them here anymore. All televisions are now from asia. same with computer components, eletronics components, aircraft components, and etc. Almost all tech products are all evolving and produced from asia now. the only reason cars are still made here is by the japanese is because in the past when their cars sold much more than american like today, redneck americans started getting angry and burning looting japanese cars and stores just like the black people did to koreans in la riots.
08-29-2006, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by oemtsxparts
dude, but its a real racists issue white people have..... i mean, im thankful that they went around the world with their guns and bombs, stole enough money from other nations to live comfortable and have more time and money to invent things before others, and play while black slaves do your work. But people have to realize times have change. For example television was the pride and joy of the us when it was made here, but no one makes them here anymore. All televisions are now from asia. same with computer components, eletronics components, aircraft components, and etc. Almost all tech products are all evolving and produced from asia now. the only reason cars are still made here is by the japanese is because in the past when their cars sold much more than american like today, redneck americans started getting angry and burning looting japanese cars and stores just like the black people did to koreans in la riots.
08-29-2006, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by oemtsxparts
dude, but its a real racists issue white people have..... i mean, im thankful that they went around the world with their guns and bombs, stole enough money from other nations to live comfortable and have more time and money to invent things before others, and play while black slaves do your work. But people have to realize times have change. For example television was the pride and joy of the us when it was made here, but no one makes them here anymore. All televisions are now from asia. same with computer components, eletronics components, aircraft components, and etc. Almost all tech products are all evolving and produced from asia now. the only reason cars are still made here is by the japanese is because in the past when their cars sold much more than american like today, redneck americans started getting angry and burning looting japanese cars and stores just like the black people did to koreans in la riots.
Why this was posted in a G35 thread puzzles me.