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#3241
I drive a Subata.
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#3242
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^Grow up junkie...
#3243
Um... you do realize that their current Chief Design Officer is Peter Schreyer, right?
Peter Schreyer = former Audi/VW design chief.
They're not copying anyone.
How's that go.... "Eat before you speak?"
Peter Schreyer = former Audi/VW design chief.
They're not copying anyone.
How's that go.... "Eat before you speak?"
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#3246
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In the meantime at the geny ballpark...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ty-issues.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...downgrade.html
Oh yeah, "Let's keep trying"
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ty-issues.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...downgrade.html
Oh yeah, "Let's keep trying"
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In the meantime at the geny ballpark...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ty-issues.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...downgrade.html
Oh yeah, "Let's keep trying"
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ty-issues.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...downgrade.html
Oh yeah, "Let's keep trying"
Trust me I'm on my 3rd one in less than 150k miles.
Credit to Hyundai for dealing with it the way they did.
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In the meantime at the geny ballpark...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ty-issues.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...downgrade.html
Oh yeah, "Let's keep trying"
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ty-issues.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...downgrade.html
Oh yeah, "Let's keep trying"
#3250
2014 V6 Genesis MPG (comes with 18" wheels as standard): 18 city / 27 highway.... according to article
2013 V8 Genesis MPG: 16 city / 25 highway
2014 V8 Genesis MPG: 16 city / 25 highway.... according to article.
I'm only seeing a decrease of 1 MPG highway for the V6 Genesis. Everything else is the same.
2014 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Gets MPG Downgrade
The downgrade is true for both V6 and V8 models. Neither powertrain has been significantly changed, but the 3.8-liter V6 is now rated for 27 on the highway, which is a one less than before while the city rating stayed the same at 18 mpg. Larger losses come with the 5.0-liter V8 model, which drops one mile per gallon in the city and two on the highway for a 16/25 rating.
The downgrade is true for both V6 and V8 models. Neither powertrain has been significantly changed, but the 3.8-liter V6 is now rated for 27 on the highway, which is a one less than before while the city rating stayed the same at 18 mpg. Larger losses come with the 5.0-liter V8 model, which drops one mile per gallon in the city and two on the highway for a 16/25 rating.
#3251
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I'd still take a Genny over an RLX or any current Acura sedan for that matter.
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I still don't know about the front end, but compared to this blurry pic we saw previously
![](http://imageshack.us/a/img201/6258/doeq.jpg)
I think it looks better.![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
![](https://i.imgur.com/yK2uxYp.jpg)
![](https://i.imgur.com/qMPijEb.jpg)
From the side and rear, this thing looks to be a home run. It looks very sporty and German-like. It kinda reminds me of an Audi with maybe a little Infiniti thrown it? I approve.![Thumbs Up](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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I think it looks better.
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From the side and rear, this thing looks to be a home run. It looks very sporty and German-like. It kinda reminds me of an Audi with maybe a little Infiniti thrown it? I approve.
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Looks handsome to me. I'm sure the numbers will be attractive as well. Typical Hyundai style.
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They'll have an R-spec variant right? 5.0L V8?
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I think so. They certainly seem like they know what they are doing. I'll be surprised if they don't offer some type of performance model for the car.
Now I'm super curious how the coupe version will look like. The sedan looks very promising so far, so hopefully the coupe version will turn out to look very hawt.
Now I'm super curious how the coupe version will look like. The sedan looks very promising so far, so hopefully the coupe version will turn out to look very hawt.
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The RLX has a side/greenhouse and rear lifted straight from BMW (the Accord also has a side/greenhouse a la BMW but a rear/taillights from the current Genesis).
Speaking of taillights, no automaker has copied more taillight designs than Honda/Acura.
And the greenhouse with the lower edge dip on the Odyssey? Hyundai did that 1st with the Gen coupe.
Basically, w/ a few exceptions, auto design has become very homogenized these days.
And take a look at the older Acura, Lexus and Infiniti models - they all have traditional grills with either horizontal or vertical grill slats - how original.
Hyundai needs to get serious and offer a real performance trim. Supposedly they have moved away from supercharging the Tau V8 to twin-turbo power, but I doubt we'll see that any time soon.
However, we should see a new TT V6 powerplant.
If the new coupe retains much of the look of the HND-9 concept, it will be the much better looking vehicle.
![](http://www.hyundai-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/hyundai-hnd-9-release.jpg)
If the new RWD compact sedan takes the same styling cues (the new sedan will basically be the sedan equivalent of the coupe), then it will look better as well.
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#3260
Yup, it's an Audi from the side, Lexus from the back, and Audi/BMW in the front. I'd give it more credit if it was an evolution of the current design, but it looks like Hyundai is going back to their old habit of one generation looking nothing like the next generation because they pick the hottest trends in design and then graft them onto their product for that generation.
#3261
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Yup, it's an Audi from the side, Lexus from the back, and Audi/BMW in the front. I'd give it more credit if it was an evolution of the current design, but it looks like Hyundai is going back to their old habit of one generation looking nothing like the next generation because they pick the hottest trends in design and then graft them onto their product for that generation.
#3262
Yup, it's an Audi from the side, Lexus from the back, and Audi/BMW in the front. I'd give it more credit if it was an evolution of the current design, but it looks like Hyundai is going back to their old habit of one generation looking nothing like the next generation because they pick the hottest trends in design and then graft them onto their product for that generation.
Audi A7 from the side or the Ford Fusion, Toyota Avalon, Chevy Impala, the Infiniti M (3G), etc.?
The rear is Sonata which, btw, the Lexus GS has as well (the GS also has a BMW greenhouse).
The front still has the Hyundai hexagonal grill shape which Audi, Subaru, Ford, etc. are using nowadays.
These days, w/ a few exceptions, models look increasingly similar (see the new Subaru Legacy concept).
![](http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/2015-subaru-legacy-concept-unveiled-ahead-of-la-debut-photo-gallery_9.jpg)
And really, it's not like Honda/Acura is any different.
See BMW greenhouse with the Hofmeister kink on both the RLX and Accord (the RLX having a BMW rear and the Accord a Genesis rear).
#3264
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That's becasue many of the KIA designers are from Audi.
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I wouldn't mind Acura taking the same goddamn approach instead of doing what they have been doing with their sedans.
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Considering you can get a 400hp V8 Rspec for a little over $45k.
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2013 V6 Genesis MPG (comes with 17" wheels as standard): 18 city / 28 highway
2014 V6 Genesis MPG (comes with 18" wheels as standard): 18 city / 27 highway.... according to article
2013 V8 Genesis MPG: 16 city / 25 highway
2014 V8 Genesis MPG: 16 city / 25 highway.... according to article.
I'm only seeing a decrease of 1 MPG highway for the V6 Genesis. Everything else is the same.
2014 V6 Genesis MPG (comes with 18" wheels as standard): 18 city / 27 highway.... according to article
2013 V8 Genesis MPG: 16 city / 25 highway
2014 V8 Genesis MPG: 16 city / 25 highway.... according to article.
I'm only seeing a decrease of 1 MPG highway for the V6 Genesis. Everything else is the same.
Because here are the numbers from the official government website:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32792&id=34564
2013 Genesis R-Spec: 16/25
2014 Genesis R-Spec: 15/23
I think the next gen R-Spec will need to be at 500hp to match the other V8 offerings like the 550i, E550, and S6. Right now, those cars have significantly worse power to weight ratios than the current R-spec but are noticeably quicker than it.
R-Spec:
429hp
4234lb
0-60: 5.1s
1/4 mile: 13.7@103mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review
550i:
400hp
4417lb
0-60mph: 4.8s
1/4 mile: 13.1@109mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
E550:
402hp
4411lb
0-60mph: 4.3s
1/4 mile: 12.8@112mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review
S6:
420hp
4255lb
0-60mph: 3.7s
1/4 mile: 12.1@115mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review
I wouldn't read too much into the 0-60mph since both S6 and E550 are AWD. But the 1/4 mile trap speeds tell us that the German cars are making some serious power. It seems like all of them are underrated to a certain extent compared to the R-Spec. In the case of the S6, it's not even comparable. 103mph of the R-spec vs 115mph of the S6? That's the difference between an Accord V6 6MT and the brand new C7 Corvette Stingray. No joke.
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#3269
The sizzle in the Steak
A car with presence, beauty and brawn.
Hyundai has another big winner here.
Hyundai has another big winner here.
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Where did you get the above numbers?
Because here are the numbers from the official government website:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32792&id=34564
2013 Genesis R-Spec: 16/25
2014 Genesis R-Spec: 15/23
I think the next gen R-Spec will need to be at 500hp to match the other V8 offerings like the 550i, E550, and S6. Right now, those cars have significantly worse power to weight ratios than the current R-spec but are noticeably quicker than it.
R-Spec:
429hp
4234lb
0-60: 5.1s
1/4 mile: 13.7@103mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review
550i:
400hp
4417lb
0-60mph: 4.8s
1/4 mile: 13.1@109mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
E550:
402hp
4411lb
0-60mph: 4.3s
1/4 mile: 12.8@112mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review
S6:
420hp
4255lb
0-60mph: 3.7s
1/4 mile: 12.1@115mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review
I wouldn't read too much into the 0-60mph since both S6 and E550 are AWD. But the 1/4 mile trap speeds tell us that the German cars are making some serious power. It seems like all of them are underrated to a certain extent compared to the R-Spec. In the case of the S6, it's not even comparable. 103mph of the R-spec vs 115mph of the S6? That's the difference between an Accord V6 6MT and the brand new C7 Corvette Stingray. No joke.
Because here are the numbers from the official government website:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32792&id=34564
2013 Genesis R-Spec: 16/25
2014 Genesis R-Spec: 15/23
I think the next gen R-Spec will need to be at 500hp to match the other V8 offerings like the 550i, E550, and S6. Right now, those cars have significantly worse power to weight ratios than the current R-spec but are noticeably quicker than it.
R-Spec:
429hp
4234lb
0-60: 5.1s
1/4 mile: 13.7@103mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review
550i:
400hp
4417lb
0-60mph: 4.8s
1/4 mile: 13.1@109mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
E550:
402hp
4411lb
0-60mph: 4.3s
1/4 mile: 12.8@112mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review
S6:
420hp
4255lb
0-60mph: 3.7s
1/4 mile: 12.1@115mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review
I wouldn't read too much into the 0-60mph since both S6 and E550 are AWD. But the 1/4 mile trap speeds tell us that the German cars are making some serious power. It seems like all of them are underrated to a certain extent compared to the R-Spec. In the case of the S6, it's not even comparable. 103mph of the R-spec vs 115mph of the S6? That's the difference between an Accord V6 6MT and the brand new C7 Corvette Stingray. No joke.
Those german sedans are close to $80k. R-spec genesis is close to $50k, no?
Why did you list out all these stats here anyway?
#3271
Where did you get the above numbers?
Because here are the numbers from the official government website:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32792&id=34564
2013 Genesis R-Spec: 16/25
2014 Genesis R-Spec: 15/23
Because here are the numbers from the official government website:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32792&id=34564
2013 Genesis R-Spec: 16/25
2014 Genesis R-Spec: 15/23
The 2014 #s (16/25) were from the article. If the gov site lists the 2014 #s as 15/23, then the author of the article wrote the wrong numbers.
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Hmm...we are in a Hyuindai Genesis thread right? What's wrong with posting stats/comments/opinions related to this car here?
There are comments here praising the existing 429hp V8 and there are also comments talking about future possible powertrains. I'd just like to see how the car stack up against the "supposed" competitors in terms of performance. Hopefully that's fine by you.
Yes, the German sedans are close to $80k. And Yes, the R-spec Genesis is close to $50k. Based on the price difference, does that mean those 429hp can be weaker horses? I'm not sure if I get what you mean, but it seems like you are saying, "My $50k Genesis makes 429hp, more than your $80k Audi that only makes 420hp. Yea your car is as fast as a C7 Stingray while my Genesis R-Spec is barely faster than an Accord V6, but that's okay, because my car is $30k cheaper. The 429hp rating is not supposed to be as powerful as your 420hp rating." I'm not sure if that makes any logical sense.
I'm sure most of us car enthusiasts are smarter than just looking at the specs and looks alone, right? I think most of us, as car enthusiasts, would dwell into actual performance figures, make comparisons, etc. Hyundai has a history of over-inflating power ratings and EPA ratings (http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...news/121109871), wouldn't it be normal for a car enthusiast to dig deeper and make comparisons with other cars and see if the trend still continues? It's like the brake issue of the Prius, or the automatic transmission with Honda, if you knew about the history, common sense tells me you'd check more carefully the next time.
lol I see the confusion. Yea, I think the article makes a mistake with their numbers. The actual numbers are worse at 15/23, which is a downgrade from 16/25 from 2013.
Are we like magazine racing now? And Hyundai would be proud that people have been comparing their Genesis to all these high end german sport sedans.
Those german sedans are close to $80k. R-spec genesis is close to $50k, no?
Why did you list out all these stats here anyway?
Those german sedans are close to $80k. R-spec genesis is close to $50k, no?
Why did you list out all these stats here anyway?
There are comments here praising the existing 429hp V8 and there are also comments talking about future possible powertrains. I'd just like to see how the car stack up against the "supposed" competitors in terms of performance. Hopefully that's fine by you.
Yes, the German sedans are close to $80k. And Yes, the R-spec Genesis is close to $50k. Based on the price difference, does that mean those 429hp can be weaker horses? I'm not sure if I get what you mean, but it seems like you are saying, "My $50k Genesis makes 429hp, more than your $80k Audi that only makes 420hp. Yea your car is as fast as a C7 Stingray while my Genesis R-Spec is barely faster than an Accord V6, but that's okay, because my car is $30k cheaper. The 429hp rating is not supposed to be as powerful as your 420hp rating." I'm not sure if that makes any logical sense.
I'm sure most of us car enthusiasts are smarter than just looking at the specs and looks alone, right? I think most of us, as car enthusiasts, would dwell into actual performance figures, make comparisons, etc. Hyundai has a history of over-inflating power ratings and EPA ratings (http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...news/121109871), wouldn't it be normal for a car enthusiast to dig deeper and make comparisons with other cars and see if the trend still continues? It's like the brake issue of the Prius, or the automatic transmission with Honda, if you knew about the history, common sense tells me you'd check more carefully the next time.
lol I see the confusion. Yea, I think the article makes a mistake with their numbers. The actual numbers are worse at 15/23, which is a downgrade from 16/25 from 2013.
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Turbo cars have huge advantage in 1/4 race for obvious reasons. I drove the Rspec when it came out. It is A LOT A LOT A LOT faster than the V6 accord at any speed.
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Fixed.
Hmm...we are in a Hyuindai Genesis thread right? What's wrong with posting stats/comments/opinions related to this car here?
There are comments here praising the existing 429hp V8 and there are also comments talking about future possible powertrains. I'd just like to see how the car stack up against the "supposed" competitors in terms of performance. Hopefully that's fine by you.
Yes, the German sedans are close to $80k. And Yes, the R-spec Genesis is close to $50k. Based on the price difference, does that mean those 429hp can be weaker horses? I'm not sure if I get what you mean, but it seems like you are saying, "My $50k Genesis makes 429hp, more than your $80k Audi that only makes 420hp. Yea your car is as fast as a C7 Stingray while my Genesis R-Spec is barely faster than an Accord V6, but that's okay, because my car is $30k cheaper. The 429hp rating is not supposed to be as powerful as your 420hp rating." I'm not sure if that makes any logical sense.
I'm sure most of us car enthusiasts are smarter than just looking at the specs and looks alone, right? I think most of us, as car enthusiasts, would dwell into actual performance figures, make comparisons, etc. Hyundai has a history of over-inflating power ratings and EPA ratings (http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...news/121109871), wouldn't it be normal for a car enthusiast to dig deeper and make comparisons with other cars and see if the trend still continues? It's like the brake issue of the Prius, or the automatic transmission with Honda, if you knew about the history, common sense tells me you'd check more carefully the next time.
lol I see the confusion. Yea, I think the article makes a mistake with their numbers. The actual numbers are worse at 15/23, which is a downgrade from 16/25 from 2013.
Hmm...we are in a Hyuindai Genesis thread right? What's wrong with posting stats/comments/opinions related to this car here?
There are comments here praising the existing 429hp V8 and there are also comments talking about future possible powertrains. I'd just like to see how the car stack up against the "supposed" competitors in terms of performance. Hopefully that's fine by you.
Yes, the German sedans are close to $80k. And Yes, the R-spec Genesis is close to $50k. Based on the price difference, does that mean those 429hp can be weaker horses? I'm not sure if I get what you mean, but it seems like you are saying, "My $50k Genesis makes 429hp, more than your $80k Audi that only makes 420hp. Yea your car is as fast as a C7 Stingray while my Genesis R-Spec is barely faster than an Accord V6, but that's okay, because my car is $30k cheaper. The 429hp rating is not supposed to be as powerful as your 420hp rating." I'm not sure if that makes any logical sense.
I'm sure most of us car enthusiasts are smarter than just looking at the specs and looks alone, right? I think most of us, as car enthusiasts, would dwell into actual performance figures, make comparisons, etc. Hyundai has a history of over-inflating power ratings and EPA ratings (http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...news/121109871), wouldn't it be normal for a car enthusiast to dig deeper and make comparisons with other cars and see if the trend still continues? It's like the brake issue of the Prius, or the automatic transmission with Honda, if you knew about the history, common sense tells me you'd check more carefully the next time.
lol I see the confusion. Yea, I think the article makes a mistake with their numbers. The actual numbers are worse at 15/23, which is a downgrade from 16/25 from 2013.
You basically listed out hp/weight/0-60/qt mile and stated Genesis is slower than the "supposed" competitors, despite having better hp to weight ratio. So they better bring +500hp on the next generation to really have a chance to stack up against the competition. Comparison done. So simple.
Before you posted that, have you ever thought about WHY the car is slower than the number suggests?
Here's a pretty fair review on the car. Took me like 20 seconds to find an article that goes over why the car isn't as fast as it should be.
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-h...-35414204.html
The car isn't always about the horsepower to weight, iforyou. It's not that simple.
Next time if you want to magazine race pew-pewing power to weight ratio, at least spend some time to read couple different publications to see what really is going on with the cars instead of stating something like "they inflated the horsepower # for the previous car, they better bring much more horsepower."
#3275
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I'm always amazed at how you make everything so simple.
You basically listed out hp/weight/0-60/qt mile and stated Genesis is slower than the "supposed" competitors, despite having better hp to weight ratio. So they better bring +500hp on the next generation to really have a chance to stack up against the competition. Comparison done. So simple.
Before you posted that, have you ever thought about WHY the car is slower than the number suggests?
Here's a pretty fair review on the car. Took me like 20 seconds to find an article that goes over why the car isn't as fast as it should be.
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-h...-35414204.html
The car isn't always about the horsepower to weight, iforyou. It's not that simple.
Next time if you want to magazine race pew-pewing power to weight ratio, at least spend some time to read couple different publications to see what really is going on with the cars instead of stating something like "they inflated the horsepower # for the previous car, they better bring much more horsepower."
You basically listed out hp/weight/0-60/qt mile and stated Genesis is slower than the "supposed" competitors, despite having better hp to weight ratio. So they better bring +500hp on the next generation to really have a chance to stack up against the competition. Comparison done. So simple.
Before you posted that, have you ever thought about WHY the car is slower than the number suggests?
Here's a pretty fair review on the car. Took me like 20 seconds to find an article that goes over why the car isn't as fast as it should be.
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-h...-35414204.html
The car isn't always about the horsepower to weight, iforyou. It's not that simple.
Next time if you want to magazine race pew-pewing power to weight ratio, at least spend some time to read couple different publications to see what really is going on with the cars instead of stating something like "they inflated the horsepower # for the previous car, they better bring much more horsepower."
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Is it our fault that the engine makes peak power at the top of the RPM range and is mated to a shitty transmission? The R-Spec is supposed to represent the pinnacle of Hyundai performance and if they want to be considered comparable with the Germans (which is all they compare themselves to), then they need to get their shit together and match them in the real world, not just on paper.
From power figures to MPG, seems like Hyundai's numbers hardly ever match real-world performance.
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Why are you giving us magazine-racer excuses for the R-Spec? It makes more hp than an S6 and weighs less, yet is significantly slower. It's 1/4 trap speed is the same as the V6 Accord.![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
Is it our fault that the engine makes peak power at the top of the RPM range and is mated to a shitty transmission? The R-Spec is supposed to represent the pinnacle of Hyundai performance and if they want to be considered comparable with the Germans (which is all they compare themselves to), then they need to get their shit together and match them in the real world, not just on paper.
From power figures to MPG, seems like Hyundai's numbers hardly ever match real-world performance.
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Is it our fault that the engine makes peak power at the top of the RPM range and is mated to a shitty transmission? The R-Spec is supposed to represent the pinnacle of Hyundai performance and if they want to be considered comparable with the Germans (which is all they compare themselves to), then they need to get their shit together and match them in the real world, not just on paper.
From power figures to MPG, seems like Hyundai's numbers hardly ever match real-world performance.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-6-test-review
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...0_r_spec_test/
Also, considering how this is the first gen car only a handful of years into it, they are a HELL of a lot closer to competing with the Germans than Acura is.
As far as mileage, my dads 2010 Genesis sedan with 140k miles on it and my moms 2013 Tucson with 13k on it have both exceeded the EPA mpg ratings.
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#3277
Team Owner
do people have to bring MPG to every thread?
For the last time, people who buy $60k, $70k, and V8 cars DO NOT care about getting 30mpg on the highway.
Just because you care about getting 400 miles a tank, there are others who are happily getting 200.
For the last time, people who buy $60k, $70k, and V8 cars DO NOT care about getting 30mpg on the highway.
Just because you care about getting 400 miles a tank, there are others who are happily getting 200.
#3278
Fixed.
Hmm...we are in a Hyuindai Genesis thread right? What's wrong with posting stats/comments/opinions related to this car here?
There are comments here praising the existing 429hp V8 and there are also comments talking about future possible powertrains. I'd just like to see how the car stack up against the "supposed" competitors in terms of performance. Hopefully that's fine by you.
Yes, the German sedans are close to $80k. And Yes, the R-spec Genesis is close to $50k. Based on the price difference, does that mean those 429hp can be weaker horses? I'm not sure if I get what you mean, but it seems like you are saying, "My $50k Genesis makes 429hp, more than your $80k Audi that only makes 420hp. Yea your car is as fast as a C7 Stingray while my Genesis R-Spec is barely faster than an Accord V6, but that's okay, because my car is $30k cheaper. The 429hp rating is not supposed to be as powerful as your 420hp rating." I'm not sure if that makes any logical sense.
Hmm...we are in a Hyuindai Genesis thread right? What's wrong with posting stats/comments/opinions related to this car here?
There are comments here praising the existing 429hp V8 and there are also comments talking about future possible powertrains. I'd just like to see how the car stack up against the "supposed" competitors in terms of performance. Hopefully that's fine by you.
Yes, the German sedans are close to $80k. And Yes, the R-spec Genesis is close to $50k. Based on the price difference, does that mean those 429hp can be weaker horses? I'm not sure if I get what you mean, but it seems like you are saying, "My $50k Genesis makes 429hp, more than your $80k Audi that only makes 420hp. Yea your car is as fast as a C7 Stingray while my Genesis R-Spec is barely faster than an Accord V6, but that's okay, because my car is $30k cheaper. The 429hp rating is not supposed to be as powerful as your 420hp rating." I'm not sure if that makes any logical sense.
People are awfully dense if they think a RWD Genesis is going to be quicker to 0-60 than an AWD Audi.
The Genesis R-Spec has gotten the same 0-60 time as the BMW 550i in numerous tests (yeah, the R-Spec has a little more HP but BMW is known to underrate and has better torque nos.); note the C&D test was done when the R-Spec was equipped w/ crappy Dunlops (since then Hyundai has upgraded the rubber which improved both acceleration and ride).
The next gen Genesis will be quicker since Hyundai wisely decided to err more on performance than fuel economy (so no more lag in transmission shifts).
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#3279
Honda Fanboy
The accord sedan does not have a 13.3 sec @ 107.1 mph trap speed (nearly 1 second and 6mph takes a lot more power to achieve)
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-6-test-review
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...0_r_spec_test/
Also, considering how this is the first gen car only a handful of years into it, they are a HELL of a lot closer to competing with the Germans than Acura is.
As far as mileage, my dads 2010 Genesis sedan with 140k miles on it and my moms 2013 Tucson with 13k on it have both exceeded the EPA mpg ratings.![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-6-test-review
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...0_r_spec_test/
Also, considering how this is the first gen car only a handful of years into it, they are a HELL of a lot closer to competing with the Germans than Acura is.
As far as mileage, my dads 2010 Genesis sedan with 140k miles on it and my moms 2013 Tucson with 13k on it have both exceeded the EPA mpg ratings.
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And I believe your parents have exceeded their MPG specs on their Hyundais, but that doesn't go for a majority of the drivers for several different Hyundai models. There is a reason why they have been forced to downgrade the MPG estimates on several of their models over the past couple years, including Kia's, and now the 2014 Genesis. And there is no denying that Hyundai has a history of over-inflating their numbers.
#3280
Honda Fanboy
Mostly true. But no Hyundai other than the Equus is in that price range and nobody is talking about it in here. The R-Spec goes for close to $40k in the real world and people in that price range do care.