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i guess you are seeing the rear as somewhat RL-ish
but couple design cues of the rear wouldn't make up for the whole car being "RL-ish"

overall feel of the car is more like LS-ish IMO
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First Drive: 2011 Hyundai Equus

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<small>2011 Hyundai Equus - Click above for high-res image gallery</small>

If the Genesis sedan was Hyundai's opening salvo to bring the pain to Lexus, the Equus is a set of leather-covered brass knuckles flying towards the jaws of Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz. It's a bold move by an automaker riding high on the intoxicating fumes of increased marketshare and boosted brand awareness. But here's one thing the Equus is not: Phaeton Part Deux.


Gallery: 2011 Hyundai Equus: First Drive


Yes, Hyundai is punching above its weight and public perception. And yes, it's bringing a luxury sedan to the U.S. that's enjoyed considerable success in its home market. But that's where the similarities to the ill-received Phaeton end and where Volkswagen and Hyundai's strategies part ways. Hyundai recognizes the Equus is a niche product that isn't going to transform the brand. It's a sales, pricing and service experiment. So before we get to the good stuff, let's take a quick look at the automaker's tactics.

On the retail front, Hyundai only expects to sell between 2,000 and 3,000 Equus sedans each year – about the same amount VW projected when the Phaeton was introduced in 2004. When the big V-Dub was yanked from the U.S. market two years later, a little over 2,000 Phaetons were sold in total.

The Phaeton's failure in the U.S came down to a number of factors, but astronomical pricing (for a VW) sat at the top of that list. For those who need a refresher, the entry-level V8 Phaeton started at just under $65,000 in 2004, with the range-topping W12 nearly nudging into six digits with a $94,000 sticker.

While Hyundai hasn't announced pricing for the Equus (official MSRPs should be out in a week, with sales beginning November 1), the standard Equus Signature is likely to carry a price tag somewhere around $50,000, while the executive-friendly Ultimate will come in north of $60k. Granted, the Equus is not one of the most innovative luxury sedans of our lifetime, but then again, it doesn't have to be. All the Equus needs to do is offer a metric ton of amenities at an unrivaled price point and provide a phenomenal dealer experience in the process. And the best way to do the latter? Eliminate the dealer. Well, almost...



Equus buyers want to mix it up with Accent owners about as much as Phaeton people wanted to get chummy with their Golf-driving neighbors, so Hyundai's sales and service strategy is two-fold.

First, bring the car to prospective buyers' houses for test drives and Q&A sessions. Depending on state laws, you can sign on the dotted-line right from the comfort of your kitchen table. After that, Hyundai President and CEO John Krafcik says, "If you never want to go to the dealership again, you don't have to."

When oil-change time comes around, pull out the Hyundai-supplied Apple iPad that takes the place of the owner's manual (a dead tree edition is included as well), dial up the service app and you can schedule an appointment through the tubes of the Interwebs. A few days later, Hyundai techs whisk your Equus away to the dealership and leave in its place either a similarly spec'd sedan or a Genesis loaner. No need to rub elbows with the proletariat or drink the caffeinated swill at one of the 250 Equus-approved dealerships. Hyundai knows you're special. And you only drink Starbucks anyway.

Sure. But do you want one?



Let's forget about badge snobbery and the "ownership experience" for a moment. Do you like leather? Alcantara headliner? Seats that cool, heat and massage your conference call-weary shoulders? Are you tired of asking passengers to remove their lower limbs before squeezing into the back seat? Do you hunt for "value" like Brett Favre pleads for attention? Is "bang-for-the-buck" less a guiding philosophy and rather something you pursue with religious zeal? If you answered 'yes' to most of those questions, than the Equus is a winner.

To begin with, it's a sharp looking sedan from nearly every angle. While the rear might not be the most eye-catching, the view head-on and in profile exudes executive, even if it is of the Kkangpae variety. The chromed grille, piercing headlamps and sculpted fascia are all aggressive without being over the top, it's just a shame the front-view camera (on the Ultimate) protruding from the Equus' snout looks like a symmetrical black zit. The KDM hood ornament hasn't made the trek to the States (thanks, pedestrians), and if you're counting how many Hyundai logos adorn the Equus, you'll need a single digit for the lone "H" on the trunk.

Our favorite exterior elements are the pinched creases above the front and rear fenders, the latter of which stand out in the late-afternoon sunlight and divert your attention from the LS460-like exhaust tips, Maxima-style tail lamps and acres upon acres of chrome trim. While we understand the need for bling, the mirror finished 19-inch wheels are simply a step too far and Hyundai isn't offering an alternative at launch.



However, avoid sunburning your shins on the way inside, and the exterior's overwrought elements are replaced with a staid, restrained cabin that – on looks alone – comes across as both demure and palatial. Once again, the Koreans have taken a hard look at what luxury buyers are after (kudos to Lexus for the research) and replicated their desires with exacting precision.

At 109.3 cubic feet, the Equus is packing more interior volume than nearly every luxury flagship on the market, and comes equipped with all the amenities you'd expect (or deserve, depending on your point-of-view).

Real wood accents are inlaid into the dash, doors and steering wheel, the latter equipped with power tilt and telescoping. Both front chairs are heated and cooled, while the driver's seat benefits from 12-way adjustability and several massage settings.

Situated in front of the driver is your standard array of gauges, with a high-resolution 3.5-inch display showing gear selection, parking assist, trip information, stability management, lane departure warning system (lights, chimes and haptic feedback through the seatbelt) and the radar-assisted cruise control settings.


Nestled into the center stack is an eight-inch display (the Driver Information System or DIS) that controls Bluetooth phone operation, MP3 player, CD, AM/FM/XM audio, dual-zone and rear HVAC settings, parking assist (front and rear) and the vehicle dynamics system. The main input is a rotary knob aft of the shifter, surrounded by buttons for each accompanying system. The blend of dedicated controls is a welcome change from other all-in-one arrangements, even if the graphics – from the climate to GPS displays – are a generation or two behind what's being offered by Audi and BMW.

While fit and finish are easily on par with anything from luxury marques hailing from Japan or Germany, the overall premium sensation you get from a Lexus or Mercedes is notable by its absence. The materials just don't have the same refined and crafted sensation – something that Genesis buyers moving from another luxury marque have noticed in the past. The brushed aluminum trim adoring the center stack looks nice, but feels slightly flimsy. The double-stitched leather on the dash is nice to the touch, but doesn't give, hinting at a hard plastic tray underneath. The buttons on the steering wheel, center column and instrument panel lack the solidity we've come to expect in something costing over 50-large. In short, if Audi is a tactile "10", M-B a nine and BMW an eight, the Equus is somewhere between a six and seven – well above average, but more aspirational than class-leading.

But many of these gripes are washed away once you're out on the open road. So let's talk sound, or rather, the lack thereof.

With a coefficient of drag of 0.27 and acoustic-laminated glass fitted to the windshield and both the front and rear doors, the Equus is crypt-quiet both over and under the national speed limit. Shut off the equally impressive 608-watt, 17-speaker Lexicon stereo with 7.1 discrete sound, and you're running nuclear submarine-style – silent and deep – with only a growling intake note permeating the interior when the throttle pedal meets the carpet.



Like its rear-wheel-drive platform mate, the Equus comes equipped with Hyundai's 4.6-liter D-CVVT "Tau" V8 putting out 385 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 333 pound-feet of torque at 3,500 rpm. The Tau is easily competitive with all the V8 offerings from established luxury marques, and even if you can't spring for premium fuel, the eight will happily chug away on 87 octane with only a slight decrease in performance.

With power transmitted to a six-speed automatic gearbox with a sport-shift system for tapping between the gears, our seat-of-the-pants estimate for a 0-60 mph time is in the mid-six-second range, and Hyundai figures fuel economy at 16 mpg in the city and 24 on the highway. During our time behind the wheel, we averaged far less (like damn-close to single digits) on account of Hyundai's drive route – easily the most technical we've experienced in years – through the hills and valleys that separate Silicon Valley from the Pacific. As always, these kind of loops can cut both ways. And it did.

V8 power is almost a necessity to motivate around 4,500 pounds of steel, leather and electronics, and the Tau V8 succeeds with aplomb. Power delivery is linear and smooth, with intake noise easily eclipsing any exhaust note out back. The transmission is equally up to the task, delivering crisp shifts and predictably – if slightly lazily – reaching for a lower gear when maximum thrust is called upon.



Driving demerits come in the form of a mushy middle pedal when braking, traveling a good third of the way down before the stoppers begin to scrub off speed. It takes a few moments to adapt, but afterward, pedal pressure remains constant, with only the slightest hint of fade after a particularly grueling stretch of switchbacks and 90-degree bends.

Far less adaptable is the steering, which lacks any kind of feedback on center and weights up unpredictably mid-bend. The electro-hydraulic power steering tweaks feel and boost based on vehicle speed and inputs, which works well around town, in parking lots and blasting down the freeway. But anyone looking for a sense of Sport to go with their Lux would do better to look elsewhere. However, the one faint light is the electonically-controlled air suspension that continuously adjusts damping force in 10 millisecond increments to suit the road and driving mode. Switching from Normal to Sport supposedly tweaks the damping, steering and transmission shift schedule, but we only noticed the latter's affect. Regardless, the system can raise the Equus 30 mm when traipsing across rough roads and automatically lowers the sedan by 15 mm when you crest 70 mph. At this price-point, it's an impressive system most notable for doing its job with transparency.



On the safety front, the Equus benefits from the normal smattering of high strength steel, along with nine airbags, electronic active front head restraints and its five-pronged approach to Electronic Stability Control (ESC) and Vehicle Stability Management (VSM). Yup, get ready for the acronyms.

Naturally, ABS and traction control are included, but the ESC and VSM systems also incorporates the electronic brake-force distribution (EBD), cornering brake control (CBC) and the brake assist system (BAS). They all do their jobs well, working together to create a safe, hoon-free experience. However, while being pitched into two high-speed bends on separate occasions we did experience a notable amount of oversteer, accompanied by the seatbelt tensioning system clutching our chest, then followed by a quick grab of the inside rear tire – as if the Equus' electronics were delayed in reminding us that "Hey, this is a big sedan. Watch it!" Also, sliding sideways in the rear VIP seat with the massagers at full blast should be a requirement on all test drives.

Which neatly brings us to the best part of the Equus experience: the Ultimate's rear thrones.


If you stick with the Signature spec Equus, you get the same lengthened wheelbase and a folding center console in back to accommodate five passengers. But forget about that. If you're going drop the kind of coin normally required for a luxury mid-sizer on a full-on flagship, you've got to go all the way, and the Ultimate trim is where it's at.

If you're fortunate enough to be driven, make your way to the right rear seat. In ultimate trim, Hyundai calls it First Class, and the accommodations live up to the name.

To begin with, you've got the normal heated and cooled seat, along with a highly adjustable massage system. From there, you can also enjoy a power headrest that tilts inward to comfortably ensconce your cranium, a seat the reclines so deeply you'd swear your spine is going to hit the luggage, and an ottoman that rises up as a footrest. If you want all this luxury to be heaped on you at once, press a button on the permanent center console, complete with HVAC and infotainment controls, and the right front seat moves forward a foot and tilts to accommodate your expansive dimensions. An eight-inch LCD display rises from behind the front passenger's center armrest, and yes, that's a fridge to your left. You can almost hear the tween screams about who gets the royal throne on road trips.

And they'd better be tweens.



As our five-foot, 10-inch frame found while spending the better part of an hour in the right-rear seat, while it's luxurious, there's not too much space to stretch out. Scuff marks from our shoes coated the backing of the front seat, making us momentarily question Hyundai's decision not to import the longer-wheelbase version available in Korea. The execs we talked to said it looks odd and disproportionate, but if we really wanted to get comfortable (or productive), those extra nine inches would be a necessity.

But tactile and driving compromises aside, the level of luxury for the price is completely unmatched. Actually, that's an understatement. It's simply unheard of. There's absolutely nothing in the new car market that matches the Equus on the amenities front for a similar price-point. Add in the (admittedly, yet-to-be-tested) ownership and service experience, and you've just coated a very compelling cake in Valrohna ganache. Then sprinkled some gold leaf for effect. The Equus isn't just the ultimate Hyundai – it's the ultimate four-wheeled value proposition. And while taking that tack might have failed for Volkswagen, in this day and this age, something with this level of luxury without the weight of a traditional luxury badge could be an asset. Hyundai's about to find out, and its dedication to experimentation can only make the automotive world the wiser.
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This car is even more boring and ugly than the Genesis.
I'll take an LS or a Merc S better...
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Originally Posted by krio
This car is even more boring and ugly than the Genesis.
I'll take an LS or a Merc S better...
You aren't going to make many friends around here with that attitude. Hope you got your flame suit on.
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You aren't going to make many friends around here with that attitude. Hope you got your flame suit on.
It's my opinion: Like or don't like. I know many people don't agree,
I respect their opinion as they mine, I hope.
Many people in these threads own an Acura TL 4g, and everyday have to listen our critic to the design and so on. And so what? I have to say that I like it?))
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I was expecting much more from the interior.
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interior looks dated already. they can't seem to get the Audi touch - luxurious & modern looking.
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I think its awesome. At least they are willing to try unlike Acura. Especially at the price point. If the materials are really that much better than the Genesis these should be extremely nice.
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i think the interior is a mix combo of BMW BENZ and Lexus which is ok but Hyundai needs too be more creative then using other company's design
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I think its awesome. At least they are willing to try unlike Acura. Especially at the price point. If the materials are really that much better than the Genesis these should be extremely nice.
This car is clear failure. Its handling, breaking, fuel economy, interior design & aesthatics, tire noise, rear seat capaicity for its size fall way short of BMW 740/LS460 which can be had for $70k. not to mention class leader new A8 which is lighter with AWD torque vectoring and drive select.
I doubt any one wasting $65k on this one.

When Acura introduce a new product at price point. It is the best in most characteristics. Not to mention long term reliability/quality.
it is the execution that differentiate a premium from non premium.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_1/index.html
Senior photographer Brian Vance recently took the ZDX on a road trip to Reno, Nevada, and came back with a list of pros and cons. "Pros: More nimble and lighter on its feet than an X6, feels like the most premium vehicle Acura has ever made, nice to finally see a six-speed automatic in an Acura product, Bluetooth pairing for iPhone was really easy and is done in one process for both phone and audio, beautiful and tasteful leather-wrapped dash and center console, high-quality carpet on cargo floor, useful in-floor storage area in cargo hold that prevents grocery bags from slip-sliding away, big, meaty steering wheel feels great in the hands.
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Originally Posted by phile
interior looks dated already. they can't seem to get the Audi touch - luxurious & modern looking.
Originally Posted by DIZAZNDOOD320
i think the interior is a mix combo of BMW BENZ and Lexus which is ok but Hyundai needs too be more creative then using other company's design
Hyundai needs to come up with a bit more original design for the interior. Sure one needs to use the big boys as the benchmark for design, but Hyundai should not rely to heavily on them.

...and yes, it looks dated already.
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Looks like a Genesis with more bling. The idea of giving a way an iPad instead of forcing the rich people to go to the Hyundai dealer is genius.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
This car is clear failure. Its handling, breaking, fuel economy, interior design & aesthatics, tire noise, rear seat capaicity for its size fall way short of BMW 740/LS460 which can be had for $70k. not to mention class leader new A8 which is lighter with AWD torque vectoring and drive select.
I doubt any one wasting $65k on this one.

When Acura introduce a new product at price point. It is the best in most characteristics. Not to mention long term reliability/quality.
it is the execution that differentiate a premium from non premium.
like the failure of RL? when acura produces a product at that price point. That day will never happen. You couldnt get a 7 or lexus with all the options for the price of the equis. I bet to you this is a bigger failure than the Genesis which is not a failure. quit posting crap.
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Yea im not impressed with the design but value wise its a win.

I am impressed at their first try in this segment. Cant wait to see what improvements they do along they way. They seem to know what buyers are looking for.
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Yea im not impressed with the design but value wise its a win.

I am impressed at their first try in this segment. Cant wait to see what improvements they do along they way. They seem to know what buyers are looking for.
Just think what could come down the line with Gen 2. For the first time out they have done great imo
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
like the failure of RL? when acura produces a product at that price point. That day will never happen. You couldnt get a 7 or lexus with all the options for the price of the equis. I bet to you this is a bigger failure than the Genesis which is not a failure. quit posting crap.
RL is not failure. In first three years it has decent sales. Genesis is already a failure with two variations coupe/sedan.
Combine two forms RL/TL and it is not failure.
740 3.0 turbo is faster/handing/brakes, NVH every thing is better than this EQ. one or two options but rest of the stuff is pretty standard.
Even the wide screen navigation on BMW looks better. There is practically nothing in this car at this price that is better than established brands.



I would not be surpized if they discontinue after one year. who want to service people at home. If one have to drive for hr in traffic to pick up and return.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
RL is not failure. In first three years it has decent sales. Genesis is already a failure with two variations coupe/sedan.
Combine two forms RL/TL and it is not failure.
740 3.0 turbo is faster/handing/brakes, NVH every thing is better than this EQ. one or two options but rest of the stuff is pretty standard.
Even the wide screen navigation on BMW looks better. There is practically nothing in this car at this price that is better than established brands.



I would not be surpized if they discontinue after one year. who want to service people at home. If one have to drive for hr in traffic to pick up and return.
Just shut up. You are so WRONG.

Nothing you say can be backed up....ever.
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Just shut up. You are so WRONG.

Nothing you say can be backed up....ever.
surely i am wrong. when everyone was saying Prius sales 5 times Insight. so Insight is failure. without any logic behind it.
Now All LS/S/7 and with all probability new A8 will sell 5 times each of EQ despite its home delivery service and $15k cheaper price.
Hyudai has hard time moving upmarket in price.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
surely i am wrong. when everyone was saying Prius sales 5 times Insight. so Insight is failure. without any logic behind it.
Now All LS/S/7 and with all probability new A8 will sell 5 times each of EQ despite its home delivery service and $15k cheaper price.
Hyudai has hard time moving upmarket in price.
You are wrong.

Show us where Hyundai is failing with the Genesis like you always claim. They are selling more per month than The RL is.

And compared to the Prius the Insight is a failure.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
You are wrong.

Show us where Hyundai is failing with the Genesis like you always claim. They are selling more per month than The RL is.

And compared to the Prius the Insight is a failure.
Genesis is separate RWD/V8 platform.
RL shares with TL. There is no Coupe for RL. and when RL was introduced it sold at priced higher than Genesis. and that was 6 years ago.
Hyundi really has hard time moving upmarket despite V8/RWD/6speed and now home delivery.
6speed will raise TL/RL profile alot. Only Acura vehicles can be transformed by 6speed auto or MT.
Insight is not failure at is is continuation of original insight. Even engine tech behind is older than Fit.
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I'll take a 1-2 yr old LS460 over this.
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The front looks nice, but the rear doesn't suggest it's a $50k car.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Genesis is separate RWD/V8 platform.
RL shares with TL. There is no Coupe for RL. and when RL was introduced it sold at priced higher than Genesis. and that was 6 years ago.
Hyundi really has hard time moving upmarket despite V8/RWD/6speed and now home delivery.
6speed will raise TL/RL profile alot. Only Acura vehicles can be transformed by 6speed auto or MT.
Insight is not failure at is is continuation of original insight. Even engine tech behind is older than Fit.
My God you are such a Honda fanboy. We all know it....there is no sense in trying to hide it anymore.

August 2010 Sales:
Genesis: 2,889 (up from 2,316 in August, '09)
RL: 193 (up from 149)
ZDX: 428

Hyundai sold more than twice as many Genesis sedans last month than Acura will sell RLs this year. Your logic fails completely.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
surely i am wrong. when everyone was saying Prius sales 5 times Insight. so Insight is failure. without any logic behind it.
Now All LS/S/7 and with all probability new A8 will sell 5 times each of EQ despite its home delivery service and $15k cheaper price.
Hyudai has hard time moving upmarket in price.
Well there again at least you admit being wrong. LOL

I can't even understand what the **bleep** you were trying to say with the Prius-Insight gibberish. And Hyundai KNOWS it's an uphill battle with the Equus, and that's why they only expect to small a small amount. So even if it only sells 150-200 a month that's okay for them.

That's what separates the Hyundai ideal with Acura's FAILED ideal with the RL, which you refuse to admit is a failure.

And that's exactly why you don't understand business.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX

Genesis is separate RWD/V8 platform.
RL shares with TL. There is no Coupe for RL. and when RL was introduced it sold at priced higher than Genesis. and that was 6 years ago.
Hyundi really has hard time moving upmarket despite V8/RWD/6speed and now home delivery.
6speed will raise TL/RL profile alot. Only Acura vehicles can be transformed by 6speed auto or MT.
Insight is not failure at is is continuation of original insight. Even engine tech behind is older than Fit.
Wrong. The Genesis and Equus share a platform and a V-8. The Gen coupe is nothing like the sedan and not marketed as it either.

Coupes don't matter anyway. What idiotic logic.
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Originally Posted by PortlandRL
My God you are such a Honda fanboy. We all know it....there is no sense in trying to hide it anymore.

August 2010 Sales:
Genesis: 2,889 (up from 2,316 in August, '09)
RL: 193 (up from 149)
ZDX: 428

Hyundai sold more than twice as many Genesis sedans last month than Acura will sell RLs this year. Your logic fails completely.
TL is Genesis competitor price wise.
RL is EQ competitor price wise.
RL/TL share engine/transmission. All of them are spun of Global Accord/Inspire Platform.
There is no such thing as RWD/V8 in Honda and V8 is very small sale for Hyundi. Hyundia is losing money before even it even go upmarket.


Both RL/TL is hampered by lack of 6speed Auto. they will be totally transformed with 6speed Auto interms of performance/fuel economy/NVH (lower rpm for freeway). like no other car in category.
see the ZDX fuel economy (despite tall 255/50/19 AWD) & performance. It is better than EQ.
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So by simply adding a 6-speed transmission to the RL and TL and they will magically start moving 3,000 to 6,000 units a month? Is that what you're saying? Acura's problems are far greater than not having a sixth cog on the trans, my friend.
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y'know. . I have to say that I wouldn't name a car after a play about a guy who wants to have sex with his horse. . .
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People who want to be massaged on their air conditioned rear seats dont care that this Hyundai is better value than a 7 series or S-Class.

Badge>Value to people who can afford this type of vehicle
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Originally Posted by PortlandRL
So by simply adding a 6-speed transmission to the RL and TL and they will magically start moving 3,000 to 6,000 units a month? Is that what you're saying? Acura's problems are far greater than not having a sixth cog on the trans, my friend.
6speed alone will be have big iimpact on EPA figures and performance/NVH. car will be near the top.
Hyundia problems are much deeper than creating large boat.
look how Acura was launched and how many famous people owned it.
http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/famous.htm

Acura early years were with ground breaking design/technology. and it only penetrated China with ground breaking SUV MDX. where it can charge $100k for it. Well above domestic made Audi/BMW.
Hyundai is moving upmarket with stale formula. look at LED implementation on this EQ. whole execuation is down market.
Consumer looking at $50k and above wants differentiated product.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
TL is Genesis competitor price wise.
RL is EQ competitor price wise.
RL/TL share engine/transmission. All of them are spun of Global Accord/Inspire Platform.
There is no such thing as RWD/V8 in Honda and V8 is very small sale for Hyundi. Hyundia is losing money before even it even go upmarket.


Both RL/TL is hampered by lack of 6speed Auto. they will be totally transformed with 6speed Auto interms of performance/fuel economy/NVH (lower rpm for freeway). like no other car in category.
see the ZDX fuel economy (despite tall 255/50/19 AWD) & performance. It is better than EQ.
The TL and RL cant compete Size wise. Adding a 6 speed trans wont boost their sales like you project, nor will it make them better. And how do you know a company as large as Hyundai is loosing money

Seriously, WTF. Why would you all of a sudden throw in the ZDX fuel economy, its tire size and performance and compare it to the Equis/genesis They have NOTHING in common.


Again. Please show me MR All Knowing where Hyundai is loosing on the genesis and failing. I would like some hard facts and not your beliefs!
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX

6speed alone will be have big iimpact on EPA figures and performance/NVH.
Bull. Shit.

Prove that. I want expert proof that additional gears add to NVH.

Honda with the 2011 Accord proved you don't need more gears to noticably improve EPA numbers.

Now put up some facts or shut up.
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The exterior of the Equus just screams luxury sedan. I don't know though about the interior. It doesn't seem to match the exterior in luxury sedan look or to the interior to its luxury sedan competitors. Maybe its just me or the way its styled but I give it thumbs up on the exterior and thumbs down on the interior. Hey thats the opposite of what I rank the 4G TL

Maybe it would look different with a light interior color rather than the black

That back seat looks real comfortable though!!
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Can't believe you guys are actually wasting you all time with SSFTSX, lol!!

We should all vote him for president of ____________(fill in the blank ;-))
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
The TL and RL cant compete Size wise. Adding a 6 speed trans wont boost their sales like you project, nor will it make them better.
As long as Product is good. Size dont matter. anything above 195inch is superflous anyway. they are not 7 seaters.
MDX sales have nice improvement despite very bad economy after 6sp.
And how do you know a company as large as Hyundai is loosing money
hyundai can certainly hide there losses. but not for too long. they have to abondon this going upmarket. French did it.

Seriously, WTF. Why would you all of a sudden throw in the ZDX fuel economy, its tire size and performance and compare it to the Equis/genesis They have NOTHING in common.
You mentino Equis is bargain compared to its competitors. but there is absolutely nothing in Equis that make it do anything better than competitor. and that even includes fuel economy. Just look at 740 or LS460 fuel economy.
I put ZDX because it is bargain compared to X6. Ony Acura has the engineering skills to make equal or better than competitor high performance product.

Again. Please show me MR All Knowing where Hyundai is loosing on the genesis and failing. I would like some hard facts and not your beliefs!
Hyundai will always hide there losses behind smaller cars. They cant afford separate dealership network for there Premium division on scale of Acura.
remembe when Acura was launched back in 1986 Honda was much smaller player in US market or in the World when you compared size of Hyundai in 2010 but Hyundai dont dare to lunch Premium division.
let Hyudnai try Premium division first in China as even Buick sells well.
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Hyundai should definitely launch a Premium division. They already have two solid products, Gen Sedan and Coupe. Add to that a re-styled/re-badged Veracruz and this Equus. That would easily be the highest value premium brand.

On the other hand, they better have a genius plan of what to do with all of these expensive models once they do launch a premium division...
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As long as Product is good. Size dont matter. anything above 195inch is superflous anyway. they are not 7 seaters.
MDX sales have nice improvement despite very bad economy after 6sp.
So if acura made a 2 door 2 seater and the product is good then it should be compared to a A8 or similar? That is what you are saying.

hyundai can certainly hide there losses. but not for too long. they have to abondon this going upmarket. French did it.
You keep saying they have losses. How do you know? Do you have teh data to back it up? Didnt think so. So quit saying they are failing and have losses.

You mentino Equis is bargain compared to its competitors. but there is absolutely nothing in Equis that make it do anything better than competitor. and that even includes fuel economy. Just look at 740 or LS460 fuel economy.
According to you it doesnt matter if its a good product then it can be compared.

I put ZDX because it is bargain compared to X6. Ony Acura has the engineering skills to make equal or better than competitor high performance product.
You threw this in there because that all you do, you throw in random stuff in what appears to be your attempt to hide that you dont know what you are talking about and hope it throws us off.
And please. You think acura is the only one with skills Yea thats right. All other manufacturers according to you will fail, go under or be bought out by honda at some point.


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