Honda: CR-Z News **Facelift Revealed (page 31)**
12-13-2010, 05:51 PM
#1002
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
The K would be a much better fit. The F series is an outdated motor and the K series trumps it in aftermarket support and response to upgrades. Not to mention it has iVTEC whereas the F doesnt.
12-13-2010, 06:33 PM
#1003
don't think this is here 
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12-13-2010, 07:16 PM
#1004
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Ive been waiting to see when LHT would do it 
12-13-2010, 09:50 PM
#1005
Senior Moderator
The version that should have been made
12-14-2010, 01:07 PM
#1009
Senior Moderator
12-21-2010, 08:00 PM
#1011
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12-21-2010, 08:45 PM
#1012
Senior Moderator
don't think this is here
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YES!
So much win here, so much win.
12-24-2010, 01:49 PM
#1013
Another short video review
http://www.motoringtv.com/test-drive...3_-_Honda_CR-Z
http://www.motoringtv.com/test-drive...3_-_Honda_CR-Z
12-24-2010, 02:23 PM
#1015
^^I don't think any of them do. BUT, from what I hear and read on forums, it's pretty easy to defeat if you make some selections like take the A/C off of 'auto' or place the car in "sport" mode. IMO, this is where the Cnet guys had it wrong.
Some things I've found:
and from the owners manual (IMO, crazy long list of parameters):
■■Auto Idle Stop Does Not Activate When:
•• The low temperature indicator is on.
•• The IMA battery charge is low.
•• The bars of the ASST/CHRG indicators do not move when accelerating or
decelerating.
•• The transmission fluid temperature is low.
•• The vehicle comes to a stop again before the vehicle speed reaches 9 mph
(15 km/h) after the engine starts.
•• Stopped on a steep incline.
•• The shift lever is in a position other than D or N .
•• Airflow from the climate control system increases.
--If you have selected the fan speed manually:
The display shows more than five vertical bars.
•• Shift mode is in the L mode.
•• Front window defrost is on (the indicator is on).
■■Auto Idle Stop May Not Activate When:
•• The climate control system is in use, and there is a significant difference between
the set temperature and the actual interior temperature. (Except when in ECON
mode).
•• When humidity in the interior is high.
•• The vehicle is stopped by braking suddenly.
■■The Engine Automatically Restarts When:
The clutch pedal is fully depressed, and the shift lever is moved to a position other
than N .
■■The Engine Automatically Restarts When the Clutch Pedal is Fully
Depressed Even If the Shift Lever is in N When:
•• The low temperature indicator comes on.
•• The accelerator pedal is pressed.
•• The IMA battery charge becomes low.
•• The climate control system is in use, and the difference between the set
temperature and actual interior temperature becomes significant.
•• The climate control system is being used to dehumidify the interior.
The engine automatically restarts when the pressure on the brake pedal is
repeatedly applied and released slightly during a stop. This applies even if the clutch
pedal is not fully depressed.
■■When the Auto Idle Stop Indicator Starts Blinking Rapidly
Fully depress the clutch pedal.
-The engine automatically restarts
-When the Auto Idle Stop Indicator Starts Blinking
Rapidly
The front windshield defrost indicator starts blinking rapidly under the
following conditions:
••The (windshield defogger) button is pressed.
•• When the climate control system is in use and
moisture builds up inside the vehicle.
•• When the climate control system is in use and
the difference between the set temperature
and the actual temperature inside the vehicle
becomes significant.
Some things I've found:
Generally, any time the car comes to a stop, the engine will shut-off to conserve fuel and cut emissions. However, if the battery state of charge is too low or the electrical demands are too high (when driving with the headlights on or with the air-conditioning turned up) the engine won't be shut off. On the manual transmission CR-Z, the engine is only halted if the car is stopped and the transmission is in neutral. When the clutch pedal is pressed or the brake released, the engine automatically re-starts
■■Auto Idle Stop Does Not Activate When:
•• The low temperature indicator is on.
•• The IMA battery charge is low.
•• The bars of the ASST/CHRG indicators do not move when accelerating or
decelerating.
•• The transmission fluid temperature is low.
•• The vehicle comes to a stop again before the vehicle speed reaches 9 mph
(15 km/h) after the engine starts.
•• Stopped on a steep incline.
•• The shift lever is in a position other than D or N .
•• Airflow from the climate control system increases.
--If you have selected the fan speed manually:
The display shows more than five vertical bars.
•• Shift mode is in the L mode.
•• Front window defrost is on (the indicator is on).
■■Auto Idle Stop May Not Activate When:
•• The climate control system is in use, and there is a significant difference between
the set temperature and the actual interior temperature. (Except when in ECON
mode).
•• When humidity in the interior is high.
•• The vehicle is stopped by braking suddenly.
■■The Engine Automatically Restarts When:
The clutch pedal is fully depressed, and the shift lever is moved to a position other
than N .
■■The Engine Automatically Restarts When the Clutch Pedal is Fully
Depressed Even If the Shift Lever is in N When:
•• The low temperature indicator comes on.
•• The accelerator pedal is pressed.
•• The IMA battery charge becomes low.
•• The climate control system is in use, and the difference between the set
temperature and actual interior temperature becomes significant.
•• The climate control system is being used to dehumidify the interior.
The engine automatically restarts when the pressure on the brake pedal is
repeatedly applied and released slightly during a stop. This applies even if the clutch
pedal is not fully depressed.
■■When the Auto Idle Stop Indicator Starts Blinking Rapidly
Fully depress the clutch pedal.
-The engine automatically restarts
-When the Auto Idle Stop Indicator Starts Blinking
Rapidly
The front windshield defrost indicator starts blinking rapidly under the
following conditions:
••The (windshield defogger) button is pressed.
•• When the climate control system is in use and
moisture builds up inside the vehicle.
•• When the climate control system is in use and
the difference between the set temperature
and the actual temperature inside the vehicle
becomes significant.
12-24-2010, 04:16 PM
#1017
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
I didnt even know the '11 M3 had start-stop. Kinda laughable honestly.
12-24-2010, 06:03 PM
#1019
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
12-24-2010, 07:41 PM
#1020
Senior Moderator
No one ever said BMW owners were smart 
12-29-2010, 08:09 PM
#1021
We just test drove a 6MT. The car feels great. The chassis is really rigid, the steering nicely weighted. The gearbox and clutch are exactly like I'd expect from any Honda. I thought the clutch/gearbox felt better than our 06 RSX (5MT). It wasn't fast, but it felt OK in normal driving. We're definitely considering one as a commuter car once my TSX lease expires.
12-30-2010, 07:59 PM
#1023
^^ I couldn't say since I haven't driven one lately. I can say that the steering response it very fast, S2000 fast. I'd have to look it up but I'd bet the ratios are similar. Throttle response is very good in sport, VERY dull in Econ. What power there is, is delivered smoothly, with no big peaks of valleys. There is a nice torquey feel to the drivetrain, much like the K24 when you're at low revs.
The gearbox is smooth, almost too smooth. There is none of the "mechanical" feel that you get in the S2000 or RSX-S. The lever kinda "flops" from gear to gear with little resistance. Clutch is very light as with most Hondas, with the take up more linear than in the '08 TSX (which engages very high).
Over bumps, this car feels solid, you can really feel the torsional rigidity in this thing. It's hard to describe, but when driving it, I was reminded of the way the S2000s felt (in chassis stiffness). Except for the relative lack of power, its a nice driving little car.
Edit: S2000 steering is 2.4 turns lock to lock, the CR-Z 2.48. The S2000 ratio is 13.8:1 and the CR-Z 12.7:1
Edit 2: the S2000 figures were only for the AP1 cars, the later cars had slower steering ratios
The gearbox is smooth, almost too smooth. There is none of the "mechanical" feel that you get in the S2000 or RSX-S. The lever kinda "flops" from gear to gear with little resistance. Clutch is very light as with most Hondas, with the take up more linear than in the '08 TSX (which engages very high).
Over bumps, this car feels solid, you can really feel the torsional rigidity in this thing. It's hard to describe, but when driving it, I was reminded of the way the S2000s felt (in chassis stiffness). Except for the relative lack of power, its a nice driving little car.
Edit: S2000 steering is 2.4 turns lock to lock, the CR-Z 2.48. The S2000 ratio is 13.8:1 and the CR-Z 12.7:1
Edit 2: the S2000 figures were only for the AP1 cars, the later cars had slower steering ratios
Last edited by Colin; 12-30-2010 at 08:04 PM.
12-31-2010, 11:58 AM
#1024
01-17-2011, 11:07 AM
#1025
Safety Car
Thread Starter
Turbo
The Honda CR-Z is 1 hot looking hatchback… only problem is that it’s a hybrid. We’ve been hearing about a turbo gasoline version for quite some time and according to reports out of the UK, Honda has decided to fast-track production of the turbocharged CR-Z.
Why is Honda moving faster? Sales of the Honda CR-Z in the United States haven’t been as strong as Honda believed and buyer feedback on the hatchback has been so strong, that the firm is now speeding up the development on the faster CR-Z. It could debut in production form at the 2011 Tokyo Motor Show.
Power will come courtesy of a 1.6L turbocharged unit making between 160-hp and 200-hp.
Are you excited? Because we certainly are.
Refresher: The 2011 Honda CR-Z is powered by a 1.5L i-VTEC mated to Honda”s Integrated Motor Assist hybrid system. It produces a total of 122-hp and a maximum torque of 128 lb-ft. When mated to a 6-speed manual, the CR-Z returns an EPA-estimated 31/37/34 mpg (city/highway/combined). With the CVT transmission, the CR-Z returns 35/39/37 mpg. Prices in the United States start at $19,200.
01-17-2011, 11:31 AM
#1026
AZ Community Team
Wow that should be nice, hopefully it's closer to 200HP.
Saw one this weekend, and they look better in person.
Saw one this weekend, and they look better in person.
01-17-2011, 11:35 AM
#1027
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
I cant wait to see the MPG figures on the turbo motor TBH.
01-17-2011, 03:56 PM
#1029
Senior Moderator
01-17-2011, 04:11 PM
#1030
The sizzle in the Steak
....and perhaps more displacement than 1.5L
01-17-2011, 07:30 PM
#1031
Senior Moderator
Seeing its reports out of the UK we probably wont get it.
And 160-200
i would hope for a little more than that. 220 would be a good number to start.
And 160-200
i would hope for a little more than that. 220 would be a good number to start.
01-17-2011, 08:12 PM
#1033
Safety Car
Thread Starter
Globe & Mail
Driving through a bend delicately balanced on the keening knife edge of tire adhesion is always a neat thing to do, whether in the latest Porsche Turbo S or something like Honda’s new “sport hybrid” CR-Z.
The only real differences are the vastly faster cornering speeds and g-force generated by Porsche’s prodigious grip, and their very intimate correlation with the pucker factor you experience and the consequences you hope you don’t.
Obviously the CR-Z, even with its little electric motor whirring away helpfully, can’t come close to matching the Porsche’s acceleration, or its comparatively tiny discs the massive stopping force of the German car’s brakes. Or the sheer thrill of driving something as truly potent.
But it turned out the CR-Z, which I had the unique opportunity to drive back-to-back with the Porsche on a track recently, has a nice enough balance of (adequate) power and (capable) handling to validate its “sporty” claim.
What I found most interesting was seeing it as a harbinger of the direction mainstream, lower order “sporty” cars – the kind most of us can afford – seem to be evolving in as more car makers explore adding a jolt of voltage to keep the performance spark bright as fossil fuels fade from the scene.
The trend to using hybrid and pure electric power systems to improve performance has already begun, of course. The recent Honda Accord hybrid, Lexus GS450h and BMW X6 hybrid and the Tesla sports car come to mind. And the pace seems to be amping up with high-end makes – Lotus, Mercedes-Benz, Ferrari, Audi and Porsche – revealing electrification projects in the past year. But Mitsubishi, Subaru and Mazda, among others, have also revealed they’re accelerating down this road.
The CR-Z isn’t Honda’s 1st save-the-planet 2-seater sold here. That honour goes to the CR-X of the early 1980s, fondly remembered as a little pocket road rocket, but originally pitched as an econo-car. It was followed by the less fondly recalled early-1990s Del Sol.
Honda’s 3rd 2-seater was the Insight hybrid of 2000, the 1st modern hybrid sold in North America, which introduced the integrated motor assist system employed by the CR-Z, which tests the consumer waters in another hybrid niche.
Honda describes the $23,490 CR-Z as a driver-focused vehicle offering efficient and fun performance. If you include looking cool in the “driver-focused” element, then the CR-Z has half the equation handily covered with its stand-out-in-any-crowd exterior styling.
And the other half with an interior a cut above most others in the mid-$20,000 price range with its nifty bright-blue 3-D instruments and pod-like protrusions from each side that put commonly used controls close to the driver’s hands. A 2-tone colour treatment and nickel-like trim are also nice touches.
The only thing that might warrant serious criticism is the fact there are only 2 seats, which while emphasizing its sporty personality, limit its practicality, although you can cram a fair whack of stuff (711 litres) in the back.
Equipment includes automatic climate control, power mirrors, locks, etc., tilt/telescope wheel, audio system with all the appropriate places to plug things in and steering wheel controls, Bluetooth connectivity, stability control and a hill holder feature with the manual gearbox.
The 122 hp and 128 lb-ft of torque generated by its 1.5-litre, rev-y, gasoline-fuelled 4-cylinder in combination with the Integrated Motor Assist hybrid system obviously isn’t a lot, but it only has 1,205 kg to propel. The manual gearbox version still takes a rather drawn-out 9.8 seconds to get to 100 km/h though, so don’t sit next to somebody at the light revving your engine.
Once under way, it feels lively enough if “Sport” is selected from the 3-mode drive system, which kicks in the electric boost earlier and quickens up the electric steering. Normal and econo would seem redundant as fuel economy is pretty phenomenal in Sport and the other 2 settings dull down the driving experience.
Suspension is econo-car-conventional with MacPherson struts up front and a torsion beam axle under the back, with under-achieving 195/55R16 tires that deliver better mileage than stick and steering sharpness. Braking is fair, but a few laps on the track are all you can ask of them before they get a bit hot and bothered.
In reality, the CR-Z offers more a pretence of “performance” than the real thing, which might make it a precursor of the “sporty” cars we’ll be driving in the future.
2011 Honda CR-Z
Type: Hybrid sports coupe
Base Price: $23,490; as tested, $24,885
Engine: 1.5-litre, DOHC, inline-4
Horsepower/torque: 122 hp/128 lb-ft
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Drive: Front-wheel
Fuel economy (litres/100 km): 6.5 city/5.3 highway; regular gas
Alternatives: Nothing directly, but small and fun? Ford Fiesta, Mazda2, Kia Rio5, Toyota Yaris 3-door, Honda Fit Sport
Type: Hybrid sports coupe
Base Price: $23,490; as tested, $24,885
Engine: 1.5-litre, DOHC, inline-4
Horsepower/torque: 122 hp/128 lb-ft
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Drive: Front-wheel
Fuel economy (litres/100 km): 6.5 city/5.3 highway; regular gas
Alternatives: Nothing directly, but small and fun? Ford Fiesta, Mazda2, Kia Rio5, Toyota Yaris 3-door, Honda Fit Sport
globedrive@globeandmail.com
01-28-2011, 02:20 PM
#1034
Picke one up last night!
Impressions after my first drive as an owner. Let me re-phrase that, our EX 6-MT will be my wife’s daily driver so I’m guessing my experience with it will be limited. However, as a frame of reference, her last cars in reverse order were: ’06 RSX (base), ’04 S2000, ’00 s2000, ’99, ’97, and ‘94 Integra GS-Rs. There was a Celica and Corolla in the distant past. So, in summary: The CR-Z is the smallest engine she’s ever owned (the ’84 Corolla was 1.6 liters). The CR-Z has the lowest power since the Corolla (70 hp and the Celica GT-S was 135hp)
So this morning was my first exposure to the car from the drivers seat. Overall, the feeling is one of connectedness and directness in all the inputs except for the throttle. I drove mostly in ‘normal’ during the drive and the only thing I noticed is that the gas pedal had a slightly disconnected feel. I understand that the DBW computer is dampening minor throttle corrections, the TSX does this too. With the CR-Z it’s just more pronounced. Sport mode seems more ‘normal’ to me in this regard.
As expected, visibility out the rear ¾ is the biggest issue. However, it’s no worse than an S2000 with the top up and arguably much better looking directly to your six. Out the front, the view is expansive and I like that the side mirrors have a gap between them and the body. It gives just a little better view out the front ¾.
The steering is beautiful! Its been a while since I drove MY S2000 and it took some time to get adjusted to the fast ratio again. I could sense that I was moving the car a little when shifting gears and reaching for the radio. The gearshift throw is a little longer than the S2000s, but shorter than the TSX. My wife felt it was a little notchy going into 3rd, but I felt it was fine.
Power was fine, in fact, I’ve been short shifting the TSX for better mileage and this felt almost the same in regular commuting mode. I’m sure that the power deficit would be more apparent if driven really hard. But in this mornings commute, which was surprisingly devoid of traffic, we were showing 47 mpg on the MID. Not bad huh?
So this morning was my first exposure to the car from the drivers seat. Overall, the feeling is one of connectedness and directness in all the inputs except for the throttle. I drove mostly in ‘normal’ during the drive and the only thing I noticed is that the gas pedal had a slightly disconnected feel. I understand that the DBW computer is dampening minor throttle corrections, the TSX does this too. With the CR-Z it’s just more pronounced. Sport mode seems more ‘normal’ to me in this regard.
As expected, visibility out the rear ¾ is the biggest issue. However, it’s no worse than an S2000 with the top up and arguably much better looking directly to your six. Out the front, the view is expansive and I like that the side mirrors have a gap between them and the body. It gives just a little better view out the front ¾.
The steering is beautiful! Its been a while since I drove MY S2000 and it took some time to get adjusted to the fast ratio again. I could sense that I was moving the car a little when shifting gears and reaching for the radio. The gearshift throw is a little longer than the S2000s, but shorter than the TSX. My wife felt it was a little notchy going into 3rd, but I felt it was fine.
Power was fine, in fact, I’ve been short shifting the TSX for better mileage and this felt almost the same in regular commuting mode. I’m sure that the power deficit would be more apparent if driven really hard. But in this mornings commute, which was surprisingly devoid of traffic, we were showing 47 mpg on the MID. Not bad huh?
01-28-2011, 03:09 PM
#1035
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Nice. What color did you get? Pics?
01-28-2011, 03:27 PM
#1036
I can't honestly say I approve 
but congrats. Admittedly, I think I'd be happy going from a base RSX to a CR-Z
So you're DDing the TSX and you still have the S2000? I didn't notice the gap between the A-pillar and the side mirrors, wish more manufacturers did that. 47 mpg is very impressive, though I'd wait to see self-calculated numbers after a couple of fillups
but congrats. Admittedly, I think I'd be happy going from a base RSX to a CR-ZSo you're DDing the TSX and you still have the S2000? I didn't notice the gap between the A-pillar and the side mirrors, wish more manufacturers did that. 47 mpg is very impressive, though I'd wait to see self-calculated numbers after a couple of fillups
01-28-2011, 06:41 PM
#1037
civicdrivr: We got Premium White Pearl. Our first choice would have been Storm Silver, but the last one was sold the day before. Oh well. I'll try to get some pics this weekend, but I have a feeling that shooting white is going to be hard. (shooting nice pics of white that is)
01-29-2011, 01:14 AM
#1038
Senior Moderator
Impressions after my first drive as an owner. Let me re-phrase that, our EX 6-MT will be my wife’s daily driver so I’m guessing my experience with it will be limited. However, as a frame of reference, her last cars in reverse order were: ’06 RSX (base), ’04 S2000, ’00 s2000, ’99, ’97, and ‘94 Integra GS-Rs. There was a Celica and Corolla in the distant past. So, in summary: The CR-Z is the smallest engine she’s ever owned (the ’84 Corolla was 1.6 liters). The CR-Z has the lowest power since the Corolla (70 hp and the Celica GT-S was 135hp)
So this morning was my first exposure to the car from the drivers seat. Overall, the feeling is one of connectedness and directness in all the inputs except for the throttle. I drove mostly in ‘normal’ during the drive and the only thing I noticed is that the gas pedal had a slightly disconnected feel. I understand that the DBW computer is dampening minor throttle corrections, the TSX does this too. With the CR-Z it’s just more pronounced. Sport mode seems more ‘normal’ to me in this regard.
As expected, visibility out the rear ¾ is the biggest issue. However, it’s no worse than an S2000 with the top up and arguably much better looking directly to your six. Out the front, the view is expansive and I like that the side mirrors have a gap between them and the body. It gives just a little better view out the front ¾.
The steering is beautiful! Its been a while since I drove MY S2000 and it took some time to get adjusted to the fast ratio again. I could sense that I was moving the car a little when shifting gears and reaching for the radio. The gearshift throw is a little longer than the S2000s, but shorter than the TSX. My wife felt it was a little notchy going into 3rd, but I felt it was fine.
Power was fine, in fact, I’ve been short shifting the TSX for better mileage and this felt almost the same in regular commuting mode. I’m sure that the power deficit would be more apparent if driven really hard. But in this mornings commute, which was surprisingly devoid of traffic, we were showing 47 mpg on the MID. Not bad huh?
So this morning was my first exposure to the car from the drivers seat. Overall, the feeling is one of connectedness and directness in all the inputs except for the throttle. I drove mostly in ‘normal’ during the drive and the only thing I noticed is that the gas pedal had a slightly disconnected feel. I understand that the DBW computer is dampening minor throttle corrections, the TSX does this too. With the CR-Z it’s just more pronounced. Sport mode seems more ‘normal’ to me in this regard.
As expected, visibility out the rear ¾ is the biggest issue. However, it’s no worse than an S2000 with the top up and arguably much better looking directly to your six. Out the front, the view is expansive and I like that the side mirrors have a gap between them and the body. It gives just a little better view out the front ¾.
The steering is beautiful! Its been a while since I drove MY S2000 and it took some time to get adjusted to the fast ratio again. I could sense that I was moving the car a little when shifting gears and reaching for the radio. The gearshift throw is a little longer than the S2000s, but shorter than the TSX. My wife felt it was a little notchy going into 3rd, but I felt it was fine.
Power was fine, in fact, I’ve been short shifting the TSX for better mileage and this felt almost the same in regular commuting mode. I’m sure that the power deficit would be more apparent if driven really hard. But in this mornings commute, which was surprisingly devoid of traffic, we were showing 47 mpg on the MID. Not bad huh?
And more importantly, you like it...and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
I think it's a pretty snazzy car. Would've hoped for a bit more oomph in terms of power...but, most reports (and yours) says it is enough. So, what do I know?
Congrats again!
01-29-2011, 02:22 PM
#1039
Here are a few pics:
http://www.satoauto.com/our-cars/2011-honda-cr-z/
http://www.satoauto.com/our-cars/2011-honda-cr-z/
01-29-2011, 03:01 PM
#1040
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Very nice!