Hapa DC5

225hp? They'll let the SI surpass the TSX? What will the K24 SI redline at?

civicdrivr

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I dont see that happening. Thats way too large a difference between it and the Accord i4. And it definitely closes the gap between it and the V6 model.

Sadly the aftermarket for the K24Z3 isnt that great. Surely, it will open up if that engine is in the Si, but its going to be slow, much like it was when the 06 Si came out.

civicdrivr

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It currently redlines at 7100rpm, which IMHO is too low for an Si.

jnc2000

R20... Perhaps they're borrowing off the 4cyl Accord?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_R_engine#R20

dom

Its been explained by people who apparently know, that the K24 is incapable of revving to 8K.

Hapa DC5

Back to low revving SIs? EP3 days...

civicdrivr

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It is actually possible, for a price. And for how long,

I know of one in particular that has a built bottom end that was swapped into an S2k (not a typo) that revs to 8600rpms.

ParaSurfer1979

The accord isnt a performance car. Only 6spd V6. The accord 9th gen may get a de-tuned SI k24 as well as TSX.

civicdrivr

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Never said it was. But you'd be surprised how many people are cross shopping the two.

dom

Well ya, doing it and doing it reliably while affordable aren't the same thing.

I'm dissapointed they didn't choose to put the more potent Type R version of the K20 into the Si. By now enough R&D should have gone into that engine to make more power reliably and more efficiently. Instead what it looks like is they chose the cheaper, more profitable path.

civicdrivr

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Yea, its relatively easy to get another 20-30hp out of the K20Z3 thats in it now. I know some people were clamoring for more torque, but they bought the wrong car IMO if they wanted more torque. The whole idea of an Si is to rev the piss out of it.

Hapa DC5

Used to be the motto with all Honda "performance" cars. Ahhh the good ole' days.

civicdrivr

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Undisguised Civics leaving Suzuka factory:





Lots of bleh.

http://www.noticiasautomotivas.com.b...onha-no-japao/

dom

The front end is almost a dead ringer for the current car.

phile

the chrome mustache needs to go. they could've just left the grille black plastic and just chrome the H emblem.

And on the front being nearly identical to the current. I guess the good thing is the headlights aren't Nissan Sentra-ish as we thought they would be based on earlier spy pics.

civicdrivr

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Arent all Civics sold in the US built in Marysville? The link I posted mentioned that these were headed to the US.

jwong77

+1 I really thought it was just a current model.

phile

article could be wrong. especially with the recent article about how Honda will stop exporting Japan-built CR-V's to the US, it definitely doesn't make sense to see JP-built Civics bounded for USA. Not to mention the OH factory that already builds Civics.

civicdrivr

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Which still leaves some hope that ours will be slightly different

Hapa DC5

Nahhh Honda usually exports the cars of a new generation from Japanland. Our '98 (early build) Accord had a J on the VIN. So did my cousin's '96 Civic. I've come across '08 Accords with a J on the VIN too.

civicdrivr

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Interesting. My 88 Civic was Canadian. It was number 514391 though. I know the CR-Xs were made in Japan.

Hapa DC5

My '89 hatch was Canadia made it went to 200k before I sold it (about 70k from me).

Aman

My 03 Accord was built in Marysville Maybe it varies. I know someone here has an 02 (I think) Accord with a J vin. His username is 732xghost or something like that.

And WTF on the front end. I don't have a problem with it, but you could've at least tried to differentiate it. The 8th generation refresh is more different than this front end is.

civicdrivr

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Yea, mine lasted a long time. I loved that car. Last I heard its in organized racing (SCCA I think) in Maine.

Costco

I'm not sure of the bore differences in the K-series, but I'd think they're the same. I remember a big reason why the K24 can't rev that high was because it was basically a stroked out version of the K20, I think.

You mention a built bottom end.... they could have had played around with a different crank and/or different rod lengths. I think Honda could do a lot of things, though it may potentially result in a smaller displacement, lower torque... which seems like you guys wouldn't mind at all.

So is this a MMC or a FMC, cause isn't the FMC overdue by now? Maybe they'll be able to keep the weight down... maybe. A less torque-y-er engine won't make too much of a difference then. 225 sounds very possible.

civicdrivr

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The bore on the 2.4 is 87mm compared to the 2.0s 86mm bore. Stroke has alot to do with it though, as the 2ls are 86mm while the 2.4 is 99mm.

Check out this thread for the K24 swapped S2k:

http://s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=793303

Specs:

K24A1
1mm overbore on stock sleeves
CP pistons 12.5:1
Eagle rods
Skunk2 Stage III cams
Skunk2 dual valve springs
Skunk2 titanium retainers
Single roller OEM rockers with three lobe cams
Custom four-inch intake piping
and velocity stack
Magnus custom aluminum intake manifold
Skunk2 74mm throttle body
Modified OEM S2000 header
Vibrant three-inch resonator
Magnaflow three-inch muffler
K20z1 oil pump
Walbro fuel pump
Injector Dynamics 725cc
K-Tuned fuel rail
K-Tuned 6an feed and return
K-Tuned inline fuel filter
K-tuned fuel regulator
Mishimoto radiator
K-Tuned AN lines
USA Engines machine services
ClutchMasters six puck stage IV
ClutchMasters custom flywheel

I put the important bits in bold. Hes currently revving to 8600rpm I believe and plans on tuning for 9k

OperationDarkie

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Wait am I looking at that right??? Volkswagen quality is better than honda...???


LOLWTF

OperationDarkie

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My old EF civic hatch had 459k miles on it before the piston rings finally went out on it it, I tried blowing it up with a 125 shot of nitrous but because it ran so rich I ended up running the quarter mile at 12.8....LOL

Costco

I'd actually have to agree, generally the "feel" of the interior of a Golf feels more upscale than a Civic's. The door's sound great when you close them, if that sort of thing is what you're all about.

speedemon90

I'm not the only one that agrees, not only talking about costco, but I cant remember a comparison that didnt say the golf/gti is best in its class as far as fit and finish go.

Also VW/Audi are known for their fit and finish. Everything up till the new jetta and passat VW better not ruin the next gen gti. I'm interested in buying one as my first car.

phile

VW overall is a step-up brand, no surprise its fit & finish would be better than Honda's. You certainly pay for that though. Couple reviews for the new Jetta, which is priced lower than usual VW standards, have commented on the lower quality materials.

Hapa DC5

Is Acura a step-up brand too?

biker

Yep - but if it's good enough to move metal.....

phile

it's supposed to be. But honestly, i feel some VW interiors are even better than Acuras in terms of fit and finish. Especially now that Honda's been spreading the plastic metal door pulls across all models and even into the Acura brand.

Yumcha

So, let me get this right...this is Japan's last Civic? They are to discontinue the line there but it'll continue to live on here in NA...?

Hapa DC5

Pretty much. Some variats may even be produced in Japan, but not sold locally.

ParaSurfer1979

The 9th gen an 8th gen share same components to save $$$. It's more of a major refresh like the 09 RL than full redesign like 09 TL.

TSX69

All New 2012 Honda Civic Emphasized Style, Fuel Economy & Performance

02/17/2011 - TORRANCE, Calif.

Featuring the widest array of engine choices available in its class, the 2012 Civic is designed to even better meet the diverse needs of the compact-vehicle buyer when it launches this spring. The entire redesigned ninth-generation Civic lineup will become more fuel efficient with 2 models – the all-new Civic HF and the Civic Hybrid – each delivering fuel economy estimates of more than 40 mpg on the highway.

Built on the tradition of Honda fuel efficiency, the economical Civic HF model will be the most fuel-efficient gasoline-only powered Civic in the lineup when it launches this spring. Equipped with a 1.8-liter i-VTEC engine, the Civic HF is targeted to earn EPA-estimated fuel economy1 of 41 mpg on the highway. The 2012 Civic Hybrid, which will be outfitted for the 1st time with a lithium-ion battery and a larger 1.5-liter i-VTEC engine, is expected to achieve an EPA-estimated city/highway combined fuel economy1 of 45 mpg, an improvement of 4 mpg compared to the current Civic Hybrid. Both the Civic HF and Civic Hybrid models will be equipped with aerodynamic components for improved efficiency and Honda ECO Assist™ technology, an innovation that can enhance efficient vehicle operation while providing feedback to promote more efficient individual driving styles.

"The Civic is the only model in the industry that can deliver on all fronts – fuel economy, sporty performance, smart packaging, alternative fuel and long-term value," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda Motor Co.,Inc. "For the 9th-generation Civic, we are emphasizing improved fuel economy across the board, from the hybrid sedan to the sporty Si model."

In addition to the Civic HF and Civic Hybrid models, the Civic Sedan, Civic Coupe and Civic GX Natural Gas models are also estimated to achieve improved fuel economy compared to the current models. The Civic Sedan and Civic Coupe achieve an EPA-estimated fuel economy2 of 39 mpg on the highway, an improvement of 3 mpg when compared to the current model. The Civic Natural Gas vehicle is anticipated to earn a 7% improvement in fuel economy compared to the current model. The Civic Sedan, Civic Coupe and Civic Natural Gas models will all be equipped with the Honda ECO Assist technology.

Along with improved fuel economy, the new Civic lineup also delivers more performance, particularly with the Civic Si. The Civic Si sedan and coupe models will be equipped with a larger, more powerful 2.4-liter engine as well as a new 6-speed manual transmission. The new engine is anticipated to deliver 200 horsepower with 170 ft-lb of torque. Even with the larger engine and a 22% increase in torque, Civic Si is targeted to achieve an EPA-estimated highway fuel economy1 of 31 mpg; an increase of 2 mpg when compared to the current model.

The 2012 Civic lineup includes a sedan and a coupe with conventional gasoline models, a new "HF" high fuel economy version, 2 sporty "Si" performance versions, along with 1 hybrid and a natural gas alternative-fuel variant.

Additional information on the new 2012 Civic will be announced closer to the on-sale date. For more information on the current Civic and other Honda models, please visit www.hondanews.com.

Civic HF, Sedan, Coupe and Natural Gas Specifications

* 140 horsepower, 1.8-liter i-VTEC™ 4-cylinder engine
* 5-speed automatic transmission
* ECO Assist technology
* EPA-estimated Civic HF highway fuel economy: 41 mpg
* EPA-estimated Civic Sedan and Civic Coupe highway fuel economy: 39 mpg

Civic Hybrid Specifications

* 110 horsepower, 1.5-liter i-VTEC™ 4-cylinder engine (combined gasoline + electric)
* Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)
* Lithium-ion battery
* ECO Assist technology
* EPA-estimated Civic Hybrid city/highway combined fuel economy: 45 mpg

Civic Si Specifications

* 200 horsepower and 170 lb-ft, 2.4-liter i-VTEC™ 4-cylinder engine
* 6-speed manual transmission
* EPA-estimated Civic Si highway fuel economy: 31 mpg

Moog-Type-S

Production models look tastic!

Colin

In other words, they should sell outstandingly well.