speedemon90

I can't remember the civic won a comparo when the mazda 3 or vw rabbit/golf was involved


Now as for the civic that was released in the auto show, IMO it looks a lot better than the current gen civic. A lot livelier also. Is the interior getting a change also? I'm not a fan of the two tier dash. I didnt know they would be announcing this as a concept model.

So this next generation of the civic is kinda like the GTI mkv to the GTI mkvi? Not to much mechanical changes??

SSFTSX

there is clear differentiation between Accord and Civic. Civic simply dont have presence and look of Accord unlike Hyundai dynasty where every thing will look the same from Accent to Azera.

dom

Ouch. Wasn't expecting DI but I was hoping for something other than the 2.4. I'm sure the Si with the 2.4 will be a fine vehicle. Probably with something in the neigbourhood of 210/175. But what happened to the Honda of old? I'm convinced the engineers responsible for the high revving 100 hp per litre gems have either died or moved on. These days it seems Honda just takes the easy way out by dumping in a bigger engine or increasing displacement.

As for the suspension the press release says it's still a multilink. I'd be shocked if it didn't at least handle as well as the outgoing car.

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

Could just be because it's a mule and spring rates and or geometry haven't been finalized but my contact said it handled poorly compared to the current.

Legend2TL

I like it, decent evolution of the 8G Civic.

VTEC Racer

What does winning a magazine comparison have anything to do with what I asked for????

Moog-Type-S

Come on dom.....you of all people should understand Honda is going to stay pat on any new powertrain innovations for a few more years....at least.

Honda is happy to rest on their laurels.

Costco

ParaSurfer1979

The ctr in japan and uero do make over 100hp/liter 2.0 225hp. Whats that? Even current SI 2.0 197hp is practically 100hp/L so that goal has never went away. Vtec.net is expecting the 2.4 to make 225-230hp which at 2900lbs would be fine with me. What would be nice would be to broaden the customer base and at least offer paddle 6spd auto in SI sedan.

Yumcha

Not bad! I like it!

NJ SHAWD

Type34

// Quick Tangent

Just a quick note: you guys are comparing the wrong Honda-rip-off by Kia:




Car And Driver agrees:

\\ Quick Tangent

...Back to Civic talk...

dom

Well that would be interesting. But The Dougler's source claims 205-210. We'll see.

I also think the Si Sedan needs an AT. Sacrilege I know but you're alienating way too many customers by only offering the MT. Its not as if an AT in an Si makes the MT version any less of a car so who cares.

And who at TOV is claiming 225-230?

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

I like it! I would buy an Si version, if they up the performance figure by a little. I've been a long time Civic Si fan so..

Every time I drive my friend's Si, its handling just feel so.... lovable... lol there's just something about Si's handling feel. I just love it.

Moog-Type-S

AT can be solved by a dual-clutch gear box.....err...never mind.....we've beat this dead horse before many times.

dom

It would help solve that problem wouldn't it. Problem with a DSG is only very few people know what it actually is and what advantages it has over an AT. But it does kill 2 birds with one stone.

Moog-Type-S

Enthusiasts can drive it knowing and enjoying the instant-paddle-shift joy land, while the rest think they have an automatic transmission with "sport shift".

Hapa DC5

Nice I'm pleasantly surprised.

speedemon90

That gives the salemen another point to make about the car, and tell them what it is. Some people like fancy things. Even if they dont know what it is.

HondaOnWORKS

Some people like fancy things and never use it too. Seen many people purchase a car with a lot of features just to have the features, but never really use the features.

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

Tov is out to lunch.

dom

I havn't been able to find anything over there that says 225 to 230.

phile

I only saw one post from a member siegen (I think he's on here too with the same name, but we may have scared him away). but even then it's only wishful thinking, not anything concrete.

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=950281

ghttf

Look at the part where the A-pillar meets the front fender...I cannot think of too many other cars besides the Civic that are like that..probably a mix of both Civic and TSX

Costco

Dude...... BFD.

There's only so many ways to can bend a piece of sheetmetal with the interests of safety, aerodynamics, styling, etc. Some cars are inevitably going to look other cars, I doubt any designers think to themselves "oh, I like that kink, I'm going to copy it" and even if they do.... :whogivesafuck: Execution is more important than originality.

Get out of here with that msl82 talk please.

phile

Costco...your av...it's just so difficult to look at is that the Irish Chinese from the Skittles commercial?

Costco

No idea, jup randomly posted it up in the Funny Pics thread with no explanation, then everyone was like and some people speculated that it was what I looked like and so for the fugg of it, I made it my av

Somebody said that I was like an Asian redneck, so I guess it fit.

ghttf

well the main point was that some people said that Honda was copying KIA so at least that isnt the case

and your helmet looks like homestar runner

pttl

The more I look at them the more I like them. This is a Honda I could own. I hope they get the power train right.

dom

That post came off as nothing more than a guess.

Hate to harp on it but...

It's time to sail way past the 200 HP mark in the 4 cylinder sporty coupe area for Honda. The highest they've gone was 210 which was later lowered to 205 IIRC. A 1997 ITR had 195 HP. Time to move on.

jwong77

Well there was the 240hp I-4 in the S2000.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

I finally got a chance to look at the pictures longer then 20 seconds tonight, and I can honestly say I think this is one of the better concepts they've had in a very long time. After looking at the sedan, I actually like it just as much as the coupe.

Obviously the production model is going to be changed, but for the most part, Hondas concepts of late have resembled the production model pretty well.

dom

Not really the class of vehicle I was referring to.

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

I've been told that they are going to continue to focus on other green initiatives. The fact of the matter is the Dino powered R&D department is not getting the dollars or man hours they used to. For example DI engines are not on the road map until 2014.

dom

My only problem with that is everyone else isn't doing the same thing. They still have options for the enthusiast. Sticking the 2.4 in the Si is an easy way out. As far as I can tell they won't have any motor with at least an 8K red line for the first time in a long time. Kind of disappointing.

I don't know. I'm not in the market for an Si and probably never will be again so I guess the new target audience has other priorities. And Honda knows this.

fsttyms1

Im sure honda will find a way to dumb down the looks of this car from what is shown..


And i agree with dom ......... They really need a new and GOOD motor for this car. Especially the Si.

Infamous425

i would love that new si sedan w/dsg

Colin

I"m of two minds on this. Personally, I love the high revving cars and have had an MR-2 SC (7800), MR-2 T (6800), S2000 (9000), AP2 S2000 (8000) and now the TSX at 'only' 7000. However, I understand that most American drivers don't care to rev the engine when big displacement and torque is so easily done.

It is ironic to me that Mazda can put the 2.3 in the 3 and they're perceived as being 'ahead' of Honda. If Honda puts the 2.4 in the Civic, they're somehow perceived as 'behind'.

phile

That's not ironic because the Mazda has had the 2.3 since its inception, which was way back in 2004. In this regard, they were ahead. And now Honda is behind. It's relative to the timing.

dom

I don't think engine size size has any correlation to who is ahead or behind. I certainly wasn't suggested that it's behind because if engine size. It has more to do with the overall package. In my time with the 2.4 I always wished it revved higher and faster and had more up top. The thing with Mazda's 2.3 is that it has 263 HP and 280 some odd lb-ft. So in that respect Honda is well behind. Now I don't think many of us expected to match or even come close to those numbers but staying at 200, again, just seems like the same old story.

The competition is tough out there and most are making 250 HP+. Hasn't the Si (and GS-R, ITR, RSX-S etc) always had that something special under the hood?

I don't know. Looking at this from my perspective which 99% of buyers don't share these days so I'd have just rather either seen a continuation of the 8k redline or a turbo. Something different and unique to the Si. Not because it's an Si but because its the only Honda left for the enthusiast.