Honda: Civic News
01-13-2011, 08:36 PM
#1921
Suzuka Master
01-14-2011, 08:29 AM
#1922
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01-14-2011, 01:45 PM
#1923
Whats up with RDX owners?
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^ I see 4 pillars on both. Are they classifying the A3 as a 5 door hatch?
The Golf is an actual 5 door hatch IMO.
The Golf is an actual 5 door hatch IMO.
01-14-2011, 01:50 PM
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I see 3 pillars on both? Which I think was Belzebutt's point. I think the 3rd you're seeing is simply to separate the Windows
Golf and A3 share a platform so they should both be 3.
Golf and A3 share a platform so they should both be 3.
01-14-2011, 03:56 PM
#1925
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Yea the 3 pillar is not really a pillar, its more to separate the windows. Is that for all wagons? If so, then maybe the is the three standard pillars puls a window separator thing, lol. I dunno. THats just what I have heard. I could be wrong.
01-14-2011, 07:40 PM
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Like the little Volvo V50 wagon or the first gen Ford Focus lineup, where they had the 2-door hatchback and a 4-door wagon version.
01-14-2011, 10:29 PM
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Wagons are J.Lo, hatches are Nicole Richie. It's all in the butt size.
01-15-2011, 08:34 AM
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It's hard to distinguish on a Honda Pilot there are definitely 4 pillars since the C pillar is fairly structural for the roof support.
01-15-2011, 05:59 PM
#1930
so there's a quick conversation write up (not a transcript) with the lead designer of the Civic on TOV. I couldn't help but notice this one part:
goes back to that dying question of just what were they planning with the Civic before the delay and this complete 180?
Looking at the Civic concepts, they are clearly evolutions of the 8th generation Civic's design, which is indeed not a bad thing. However Okumoto-san said that at first they went with a clean slate approach for the new Civic before returning to the idea of evolving the current design. The current Civic had been so successful that they didn't want to ruin a good thing.
goes back to that dying question of just what were they planning with the Civic before the delay and this complete 180?
01-15-2011, 06:43 PM
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That's scary... don't want to ruin a good thing WTF did they do the Acura line up.
01-15-2011, 06:43 PM
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Making it big, fat, ugly and boring?
01-15-2011, 08:19 PM
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01-15-2011, 09:14 PM
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01-18-2011, 08:18 AM
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Honda will take a hurry-up approach when launching its delayed Civic family in April.
Unlike past Civic rollouts--which spread the debuts of model types and variations over months and even years--Honda will launch every variety of the 2012 Civic within weeks of each other, said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda.
The family includes a sedan and coupe, multiple engines, lithium ion hybrid and natural gas versions and a Civic Si edition.
In late 2008, the Civic launch was delayed 6 months after the Lehman Brothers collapse. The car was promptly redesigned to be smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient and cheaper to build.
"The story that will never be told is how much we changed the car," Mendel said at the unveiling of concept versions of the Civic last week at the Detroit auto show.
The major change with the Civic involved interior packaging, said Vicki Poponi, Honda assistant vice president of product planning.
"When you get in [the current] car, it isn't roomy enough to be a Civic," she said. "That was what our focus was, getting back to where we once were: compact yet surprisingly roomy."
Although not the official tag line, the marketing credo for the 2012 Civic is a play on founder Soichiro Honda's belief that there is "a Civic for everyone," said Steve Center, Honda's chief marketing officer in the United States. In its marketing campaign, Honda will play on the idea of the variety of Civic offerings.
The Civic concept retains the angular look of the current model, but with more pronounced shoulders. The windshield still has a shallow rake with a cab-forward orientation. In a nod to the BMW styling cue, the rear window has the so-called Hofmeister kink in the C-pillar, an element normally reserved for performance vehicles.
01-18-2011, 09:32 AM
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Did I miss it? Still no word on engines/powertrains???
01-18-2011, 11:57 AM
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The Dougler sounds pretty certain we'll see a ~200 HP K24. And since that was and has been the rumor for some time I think its true.
People were also claiming a 2.0L 155HP base engine rated at 40MPG which would be impressive if true.
People were also claiming a 2.0L 155HP base engine rated at 40MPG which would be impressive if true.
02-01-2011, 10:45 AM
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Once again let down by expectations.... 
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=955174
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=955174
As we get closer to the FMC (Full Model Change) of the 2012 Civic, we've been hearing a little bit more about the updated engine family. First of all, the K24 that we've been telling you about for nearly a year is locked in. We've known about it for a long while, and we've also understood that it will be very similar to the TSX's K24 (complete with the tuner-unfriendly cast-in exhaust manifold), but the question mark has been "how much power will it develop?". Assuming our sources are correct, the upsized engine will be rated very close in power output to the current K20Z3. We don't know the exact number but it sounds like the rating is going to be in the range of 200-205hp. Obviously, with 20% more displacement we can expect the torque output to be significantly better than what the K20 delivers; it will likely in the neighborhood of 170lb-ft, as it is with the TSX.
In other Civic engine news, we're hearing that the non-Si Civic models will march forward with the same fuel-sipping 1.8L R18 engine that was introduced with the 8th generation models. We don't currently have any information concerning potential changes to the rated output but you can bet Honda will figure out a way to squeeze more fuel efficiency from it.
The 2012 Civic will appear in showrooms in the April/May 2011 timeframe. One more item of interest concerning the 2012 Civic that we learned from our own forums is that Honda is reportedly planning an HF trim level - it will apparently only be offered in sedan form with your choice of gray or white exterior color. Also, apart from the Si, the only Civic trim levels offered with manual transmissions will be DX and LX. And finally, here is a list of colors for 2012:
In other Civic engine news, we're hearing that the non-Si Civic models will march forward with the same fuel-sipping 1.8L R18 engine that was introduced with the 8th generation models. We don't currently have any information concerning potential changes to the rated output but you can bet Honda will figure out a way to squeeze more fuel efficiency from it.
The 2012 Civic will appear in showrooms in the April/May 2011 timeframe. One more item of interest concerning the 2012 Civic that we learned from our own forums is that Honda is reportedly planning an HF trim level - it will apparently only be offered in sedan form with your choice of gray or white exterior color. Also, apart from the Si, the only Civic trim levels offered with manual transmissions will be DX and LX. And finally, here is a list of colors for 2012:
02-01-2011, 11:11 AM
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Whats up with RDX owners?
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No manual on the EX?? Heres hoping they have a DSG up their sleeves.
Im wondering what the weight of the new Civic is going to be. I hope it doesnt follow the current trend.
Im sure the meatier torque ratings will help out, but they could squeeze out another 10hp so it doesnt seem like a carry-over to the masses.
Im wondering what the weight of the new Civic is going to be. I hope it doesnt follow the current trend.
Im sure the meatier torque ratings will help out, but they could squeeze out another 10hp so it doesnt seem like a carry-over to the masses.
02-01-2011, 11:17 AM
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^ Could have sworn I read somewhere that it will weigh slightly less than the current car? Could be wrong though. I don't think there's anything wrong with using the R18 in regular Civic's. As long as it has good MPG figures. Although the need for an HF version is worrisome. But the Si is just a huge let down. 200HP again? still? Is this 1997?
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
02-01-2011, 11:31 AM
#1943
The sizzle in the Steak
Honda is resting on its laurels.
02-01-2011, 11:35 AM
#1944
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Agreed. I have no problems with the R series. Its a relatively new motor and seems to be the workhorse motor for the smaller models a la D series. I do agree that they need to step their game up. Its no secret that there are many manufacturers producing good cars in that segment.
02-01-2011, 12:19 PM
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^ Could have sworn I read somewhere that it will weigh slightly less than the current car? Could be wrong though. I don't think there's anything wrong with using the R18 in regular Civic's. As long as it has good MPG figures. Although the need for an HF version is worrisome. But the Si is just a huge let down. 200HP again? still? Is this 1997?
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
02-01-2011, 01:41 PM
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I thought there were some talk that the delay of the new Civic may have been caused by many makers having 40MPG models and Honda would do something about that - we now know it was design only that caused the delay since seemingly there are no changes in the drivetrain. Offering some stripped down high geared HF model just to be able to market 40 MPG is pretty low. 
02-01-2011, 08:12 PM
#1948
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^ Could have sworn I read somewhere that it will weigh slightly less than the current car? Could be wrong though. I don't think there's anything wrong with using the R18 in regular Civic's. As long as it has good MPG figures. Although the need for an HF version is worrisome. But the Si is just a huge let down. 200HP again? still? Is this 1997?
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
I mean the GTI is only making 200 hp, also 210lb-ft, but its kinda low in its class. Still its engine always gets compliments. Even in comparisons when its underpowered, it still gets compliments because its just a great engine.
So just because it has 200 hp doesnt mean its a let down. Its how the engine performs and sadly we wont know that for a while. But I have doubts that it will be.
edit: I know the K24 gets good reviews also. C&D prefers it to the V6 in the TSX. Lets hope the changes it made to the K24 are good to make it more sporty, I guess you can say.
02-01-2011, 09:01 PM
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^ Could have sworn I read somewhere that it will weigh slightly less than the current car? Could be wrong though. I don't think there's anything wrong with using the R18 in regular Civic's. As long as it has good MPG figures. Although the need for an HF version is worrisome. But the Si is just a huge let down. 200HP again? still? Is this 1997?
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
What I think will hurt Honda is that every competitor now offers (real or not, its what on the sticker that matters) 40MPG. And the new Focus will do so while offering 160HP. The competition is so much tougher than it was 6 years ago.
02-01-2011, 09:59 PM
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02-01-2011, 10:31 PM
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Just finished reading a couple of 2012 Focus first drives. One mentions they'll be a special Eco model rated at 40MPG while normal Focus' will be rated at 38. So it may only be Hyundai who can claim the magical 40 across all versions.
02-01-2011, 11:32 PM
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02-01-2011, 11:57 PM
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I think the GTI didn't get a lot of complaints about its power because it had a relatively flat torque curve. I dunno if this will.
Not to meniton, the next generation GTI will probably get a significant power bump, while we can see that this won't. I think the turbo from the RDX would've made a fantastic match for the Civic Si. Alas, we can only dream
Not to meniton, the next generation GTI will probably get a significant power bump, while we can see that this won't. I think the turbo from the RDX would've made a fantastic match for the Civic Si. Alas, we can only dream
02-02-2011, 12:32 AM
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Thats because I work for Honda and even on TOV we heard the same thing. HMC has told engine manufacturing to STOP making 2.0 blocks. Only do 2.4. That right there pretty much closes the deal. Civic SI is to be making 225-230hp which it can do easily.
02-02-2011, 06:32 AM
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02-02-2011, 06:47 AM
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225 + 180 lb-ft would get me excited enough to test drive an Si. Especially if weight remains ~2800
But I have serious doubts it will make anywhere close to 225HP.
But I have serious doubts it will make anywhere close to 225HP.
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02-02-2011, 11:08 AM
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^there's the after market for us enthusiasts
And when you go after market, Honda does not have to worry about your car breaking down cause you probably won't get warranty......
And when you go after market, Honda does not have to worry about your car breaking down cause you probably won't get warranty......