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Absolutely. It helps more for diesel than gas to keep the engine in the power band for longer. Diesel engines don't really like to rev and are slow to do so, a closer ratio gearbox with more gears will immensely help driveability for a diesel engine.
This is completely false (like most of your posts here).
While diesels have lower redlines, they also have much more low end torque, and therefore wider powerband percentage-wise, compared to their gasoline counterparts. A 9k rpm 4cyl gasoline engine has much less area under the torque curve than a 4k rpm diesel of similar displacement. Furthermore, it is because diesels do not need high revs to produce their maximum output that additional overdrives have minimal benefit.
This is completely false (like most of your posts here).
While diesels have lower redlines, they also have much more low end torque, and therefore wider powerband percentage-wise, compared to their gasoline counterparts. A 9k rpm 4cyl gasoline engine has much less area under the torque curve than a 4k rpm diesel of similar displacement. Furthermore, it is because diesels do not need high revs to produce their maximum output that additional overdrives have minimal benefit.
Then why do large diesel engines have 13 speed transmissions?
No diesels do not need high revs but the turbo does need to spool. The rev range of a diesel is idle to ~4.5k rpm, that's very narrow so having more gears helps to keep make that engine behave more like a gas engine and more efficiently because it can stay in the meaty part of the power band for longer.
For example, here's the dyno chart for an Audi Q7 TDI, where would you like to keep the engine spinning at?
Do you understand how areas are calculated? The issue with a 4cyl engine is not area under the curve, it's the fact that peak power is not produced until high in the rev range. An engine that revs that high does not require as many gears because there's simply more room to run. Though it does help fuel economy to have more gears.
Then why do large diesel engines have 13 speed transmissions?
No diesels do not need high revs but the turbo does need to spool. The rev range of a diesel is idle to ~4.5k rpm, that's very narrow so having more gears helps to keep make that engine behave more like a gas engine and more efficiently because it can stay in the meaty part of the power band for longer.
For example, here's the dyno chart for an Audi Q7 TDI, where would you like to keep the engine spinning at?
Do you understand how areas are calculated? The issue with a 4cyl engine is not area under the curve, it's the fact that peak power is not produced until high in the rev range. An engine that revs that high does not require as many gears because there's simply more room to run. Though it does help fuel economy to have more gears.
Where did you get your engineering degree from? You should ask them for your money back, because you don't understand basic concepts.
You told me that diesel engines have a greater benefit from additional gear ratios than gasoline ones. That is simply not true. Of course all cars will benefit from more ratios but an engine that revs high with a narrow power-band will certainly require more gears to extract the maximum out of the engine. Imagine an S2000 with a 4 speed auto. Now imagine a Cummins Ram with a 4 speed auto. Then pull your head out of your ass.
Honda Introduces the Highest Tech Accord Yet in High Tech’s U.S. Hub—Silicon Valley
Jul 23, 2015 - MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.
Upgraded 2016 Accord features one of the first applications of both Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™ in a volume-produced vehicle
More dynamic styling, including first 19-inch wheels on Accord
Honda Sensing™ safety and driver-assistive tech available on all trims
New 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface
Honda introduced a refreshed 2016 Accord loaded with advanced technology in Silicon Valley today, the first time the company has launched a new vehicle in the U.S. tech hub. Coming to market in August, the 2016 Accord will be the first Honda model and among the first high-volume cars in the marketplace to feature both Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™. These and other major upgrades to technology and features make it the most high-tech Accord ever.
The 2016 Accord Sedan and Coupe receive dynamic new styling, a new Display Audio touchscreen interface, and Honda Sensing™, the most comprehensive suite of safety and driver-assistive technologies in the midsize car class. The 2016 Accord also adds HD Radio®, heated rear seats, front and rear parking sensors, and a number of other new features and technology to be revealed in coming weeks. Details on the Accord Hybrid will be announced at a later date.
"Where else to introduce the most technologically advanced midsize sedan, the 2016 Accord, than in Silicon Valley," said John Mendel, executive vice president of the Automobile Division, American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "Customers want their vehicles to be more intelligently integrated with their smartphone-powered lives, and we are committed to delivering that experience starting with Accord, retail car buyers' most popular vehicle the past two years."
Exterior and Interior design
The 2016 Accord gets a major facelift with sportier, more sophisticated styling, front and rear. In front is a more sharply creased and intricately structured bumper fascia with outside edges that tuck into intake-like meshed areas that house new LED fog lights (Sport trim and above). A new aluminum hood features sharper character lines that meet up with a brighter, more expressive front grille. In the rear, the Accord gets restyled LED taillights and a similarly aggressive rear bumper fascia redesign.
While all models feature restyled wheels, the Accord Sedan (Sport and Touring trim) and Coupe (Touring, new for Coupe) get new, larger 19-inch wheels and tires. The Touring sedan also gets a new rear deck spoiler. All models, Coupe and Sedan, feature the expanded use of LED lighting – LED taillights for all models, LED headlights for the new Touring Coupe, and LED daytime running lights (DRLs) for Sport and above trims.
Honda Sensing™
All 2016 Accords also can now be equipped with Honda Sensing™, among the most comprehensive suite of advanced safety and driver-assistive technologies in the class. Honda Sensing includes a Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™) with Forward Collision Warning (FCW), Lane Keeping Assist (LKAS), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM) with Lane Departure Warning (LDW) and Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), and is available as a standalone option on all trims with the exception of Touring, where Honda Sensing is included as standard equipment.
Also, all 2016 Accords feature a standard Multi-Angle Rearview Camera and Expanded View Driver's Mirror and, for the first time, new auto high-beam headlights (Touring trim) that enhance nighttime visibility and driving convenience by defaulting to the high-beam setting and automatically switching to low beams when an oncoming vehicle is detected.
Display Audio with Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™
The Accord audio and digital experience also is significantly upgraded with the application of a 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface featuring Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™, on EX and above trims, as well as available HondaLink™ Assist (e911) and HD Radio. The intuitive and easy-to-use capacitive touchscreen lets users swipe, tap and pinch—just like on a tablet or smartphone—to control the vehicle's audio system, display settings and other advanced features.
Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™ are designed to support seamless smart phone integration and offer a multitude of new functions and features.
Apple CarPlay® takes the things you want to do with your iPhone while driving and puts them right on your car's built-in display. You can get directions, make calls, send and receive messages, and listen to music right from the touchscreen or by voice via Siri. Supported apps include Phone, Messages, Maps, Music and compatible third party apps. Apple CarPlay® is compatible with iOS 7.1 or later and iPhone 5 or later.
Android Auto™ was designed to give drivers a simple, intuitive way through touch and voice to minimize the potential for distraction so the driver can stay focused on the road. Compatible with Android 5.0 and higher, Android Auto features Google Maps, Google Now, messaging, music and numerous popular apps.
To take full advantage of these new systems and features, the 2016 Accord's new 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen is paired with an upper 7.7-inch high-resolution display screen and steering wheel-mounted controls. The upper screen can display audio settings, turn-by-turn directions, time and trip information, LaneWatch™ and Rearview Camera displays, incoming calls, SMS text messages when stopped, and parking sensor alerts.
Upgraded Features
The Accord value proposition is further bolstered by new standard and available features: Accord EX and above trims (Sedan and Coupe) with automatic transmission get remote engine start, 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen and HD Radio. SiriusXM satellite radio and Homelink remote, previously on EX-L and Touring, are now standard on EX and above trims. Sport and above trims in the sedan lineup also get a new 60/40 split and folding rear seat, previously a one-piece folding design. The Accord Sedan in Touring trim gets heated rear seats, front and rear parking sensors and new rain-sensing windshield wipers.
Advanced Powertrains
The Accord will continue to be offered with two advanced Honda engines: a direct-injected (DI) 2.4-liter inline i-VTEC™ 4-cylinder and a 3.5-liter VTEC™ V-6 that is the most powerful engine offered in a Honda sedan to date. Available transmissions include a sporty and fuel-efficient continuously variable transmission (CVT) for the 4-cylinder engines, unique 6-speed manuals for the 4-cylinder and V-6 engines, and a 6-speed automatic for V-6 models.
Too bad 6MT is only available on V6 coupe. I'd love it if Honda offered a 6MT on the V6 sedan like they did back in 2006-2007.
The problem is that no one bought them. I remember there was a white on tan 2006 6MT Accord sedan at the dealership near my place. That thing sat in the showroom for over a year before it sold, with heavy discounts. Blame the lazy society, not the manufacturer.
Sadly, many people TALK about wanting a 6MT, but very few purchase them, even if available. Then there's the younger, tuner crowd who'd love a 6MT, but they likely aren't in a position to be able to afford a new car anyway.
Unfortunately talk and good intentions doesn't sell cars.
Just like that '06 6MT sedan that sat in the showroom forever. A handful of us always talked about wanting that car, but we couldn't afford it back then. We were all poor students back then.
Very little 28+ year olds want a manual these days anyway. "It's too much effort. It's annoying in stop and go traffic. I have too much other shit to do, like text, or watch the kids in the back." Anyone under 28 likely isn't looking at an Accord either. I mean, I'm sure some do, but if they do, it's likely not for the sportiness factor, as there a plethora of other options to go with.
Just like that '06 6MT sedan that sat in the showroom forever. A handful of us always talked about wanting that car, but we couldn't afford it back then. We were all poor students back then.
Very little 28+ year olds want a manual these days anyway. "It's too much effort. It's annoying in stop and go traffic. I have too much other shit to do, like text, or watch the kids in the back." Anyone under 28 likely isn't looking at an Accord either. I mean, I'm sure some do, but if they do, it's likely not for the sportiness factor, as there a plethora of other options to go with.
You just can't win
I had an 13' Accord wasn't manual though. Next car will be..
Wood interior trim is nicer than TLX. I take back my comments this accord is ugly. The angle at the track for the purple one made it look weird.
The chrome strip in front isn't great, but other than that this looks luxury all the way around. It might be hard to find a touring on the lots and will require MSRP.
Honda is doing a great job lately. Acura is doing the bare minimum.
It's just a matter of time before grill options would be available. Not the end of the world IMO. I'm sure plenty of people will dip it black anyway, as a cheaper option.
I don't love it by any stretch, but it's not bad. I've seen worse from Honda/acura
Just like that '06 6MT sedan that sat in the showroom forever. A handful of us always talked about wanting that car, but we couldn't afford it back then. We were all poor students back then.
Very little 28+ year olds want a manual these days anyway. "It's too much effort. It's annoying in stop and go traffic. I have too much other shit to do, like text, or watch the kids in the back." Anyone under 28 likely isn't looking at an Accord either. I mean, I'm sure some do, but if they do, it's likely not for the sportiness factor, as there a plethora of other options to go with.
You just can't win
This is exactly what happened with me and if I were single I would have gone with the manual, but with my wife wanting the AT, I settled for it.
While by no means is it great, I think it (grille) will look better in person Overall i like what they have done with the car and upgrades. Problem is, is now its even more a better buy than the TLX IMHO
While by no means is it great, I think it (grille) will look better in person Overall i like what they have done with the car and upgrades. Problem is, is now its even more a better buy than the TLX IMHO
It's just so disappointing to me. You can take the CR-V grille and throw it on the front of that Accord and it's an absolute home run. That backside in black looks better than anything in the Acura lineup.
While by no means is it great, I think it (grille) will look better in person Overall i like what they have done with the car and upgrades. Problem is, is now its even more a better buy than the TLX IMHO
Hey, if saving a few thousand dollars over the TLX while getting a nicer overall car is a problem...
While by no means is it great, I think it (grille) will look better in person Overall i like what they have done with the car and upgrades. Problem is, is now its even more a better buy than the TLX IMHO
Without a doubt.
Fully loaded Accord Touring for $34K > base 2.4 TLX for $32K and 2.4 TLX with Tech package for $36K. Some might even say it's a better deal than base 3.5 TLX for $36K.
Fully loaded Accord Touring for $34K > base 2.4 TLX for $32K and 2.4 TLX with Tech package for $36K. Some might even say it's a better deal than base 3.5 TLX for $36K.
It is not better than TLX. TLX is more unique look. Longer warranty and better dealer service.
interior is better. and V6 you still have to pay $1k for timing belt.
06-19-2015, 03:01 PM
Overall i like what they have done with the car and upgrades. Problem is, is now its even more a better buy than the TLX IMHO
