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09-05-2012, 07:30 PM
#3161
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Although I'm not particularly in love with it, I like it more each time I read up on it and view the accompanying pictures.
09-05-2012, 08:08 PM
#3162
I feel the need...
The sport version of the Sedan to my eye looks the nicest and cleanest.
Wondering how many sales the Accord will cannibalize from the ILX which suddenly looks grossly overpriced and under-contented in comparison.
Wondering how many sales the Accord will cannibalize from the ILX which suddenly looks grossly overpriced and under-contented in comparison.
09-05-2012, 09:02 PM
#3163
I've said this before, but if you hid the names and looked at the available content of the 2013 Accord and compared it to a 2013 RDX or 2013 ILX, it'd be hard to tell which is the "entry luxury" vehicle.
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09-05-2012, 09:22 PM
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Confirmed by Autoblog that it will share sheet metal with US market Accord.
We noticed something interesting about the design sketches of the Russian-spec 2013 Accord Honda showed off at the Moscow International Motor Show recently. Aside from the license plate getting swapped from a California tag to a German one, the renderings were identical to the early drawings of the U.S.-spec model Honda showed off during its press presentation for the 2013 Accord.
This is of note because Russian Honda dealers have typically supplied their buyers with Euro-spec Accord models (think Acura TSX). Honda has now confirmed our suspicions that the Russian Accord will be replaced with a version based on the U.S.-spec model. It's also worth noting that Acura is reportedly heading to Russia in 2014.
"We haven't announced plans for Europe," said Chris Martin with Honda public relations, "but the Ruissian model will share sheetmetal and basic design with the U.S. model."
Martin made it clear that there will, of course, be some market differences, but that by and large, the two models will be the same. Honda hasn't said which engine options will show up on the Russian order sheet as of yet.
And what of Europe? Given the German plate on these sketches and the fact that Russia is officially getting the same model as the North American market, we would wager there's a good chance that Honda will grace the EU with the same machine.
This is of note because Russian Honda dealers have typically supplied their buyers with Euro-spec Accord models (think Acura TSX). Honda has now confirmed our suspicions that the Russian Accord will be replaced with a version based on the U.S.-spec model. It's also worth noting that Acura is reportedly heading to Russia in 2014.
"We haven't announced plans for Europe," said Chris Martin with Honda public relations, "but the Ruissian model will share sheetmetal and basic design with the U.S. model."
Martin made it clear that there will, of course, be some market differences, but that by and large, the two models will be the same. Honda hasn't said which engine options will show up on the Russian order sheet as of yet.
And what of Europe? Given the German plate on these sketches and the fact that Russia is officially getting the same model as the North American market, we would wager there's a good chance that Honda will grace the EU with the same machine.
09-05-2012, 09:41 PM
#3165
the Accord is a new anomaly (we were previously discussing its optional LED headlights while none of the Acuras so far even has them), so being brand new, it was expected to improve on the outgoing model, perhaps even see some luxury touches trickle down to it. but no one was expecting it to leapfrog the two newest offerings from Acura, the supposed luxury arm of Honda.
09-05-2012, 09:57 PM
#3166
Honda already start using square LED fog lights and LED rings on Euro Civic a year before USDM Accord.
Honda Euro Civic has gone way upmarket in EU. it is priced $5k above comparably equiped Kia optima without including cost of auto transmission/metallic paint for Diesel.
So the next car that Honda is going to up at top of Euro Civic has to be in RLX/BMW 5 series class. with most sportiest FWD. no fuel penalty for SH-AWD.
In EU when you buy A3/A4/A6 or BWM 3/5 with same diesel engine. the penalty is no more than 2 to 3mpg. but new Civic is 20mpg more efficient in road tests and 12 mpg in official results than Euro Accord. Honda simply cant introduce vehicle that has worse fuel economy from the smaller vehicle when both are using same engine.
Compare Euro CRV interior with RDX. one has rear ducts. At the bottom is USDM CRV.
09-05-2012, 10:00 PM
#3167
Confirmed by Autoblog that it will share sheet metal with US market Accord.
"We haven't announced plans for Europe," said Chris Martin with Honda public relations, "but the Ruissian model will share sheetmetal and basic design with the U.S. model."
See the starting prices of USDM Civic and Euro Civic in Russia. USDM Civic has HID, Fogs, Push button. Every thing of ILX but Euro Civic is still 20% more expensive.
http://www.honda.co.ru/
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09-05-2012, 10:29 PM
#3168
the Accord is a new anomaly (we were previously discussing its optional LED headlights while none of the Acuras so far even has them), so being brand new, it was expected to improve on the outgoing model, perhaps even see some luxury touches trickle down to it. but no one was expecting it to leapfrog the two newest offerings from Acura, the supposed luxury arm of Honda.Acura's been able to be a tweener model whose models rest between other makes' luxury models, but when Hyundai/Kia raised the features on their models, that broke the hierarchy in my opinion and is forcing Honda to go more upscale. Should be interesting to see if Acura can remain a value proposition with minimal option packages like they've always been or if they start offering optional packages with tech goodies or they move more upscale and offer them standard and lose their "value"/"entry" moniker.
09-06-2012, 12:23 AM
#3169
No locking glovebox
the hell are they thinking? I don't even...I've never bothered to look, but on newer Hondas/cars in general the trunk lock actuators are electronic, right? Assuming that, I'd also guess that at least when the doors are locked, the actuator cannot be activated.... I hope. Still doesn't make sense to me, though the rear vents does... completely agree with you.
09-06-2012, 12:46 AM
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So which Honda model got LED headlights first? The CR-Z? (JDM and EDM)
09-06-2012, 10:03 AM
#3174
Whats up with RDX owners?
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09-06-2012, 10:19 AM
#3175
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Lock
Some level/trims of the Accord appear to be missing the lock:
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09-06-2012, 10:21 AM
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Ah, I see. The pic above my last post clearly shows the lock on the glove box.
Thats kind of stupid IMO.
Thats kind of stupid IMO.
09-06-2012, 10:25 AM
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Whats up with RDX owners?
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09-06-2012, 11:41 AM
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09-06-2012, 11:44 AM
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I think the Accord is doing what the Accord has to do to keep up with or move ahead of the likes of Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, etc. The problem is Acura is going to have to up their standard features or at least offer them as options. I think the next generation MDX, TLX, RLX all will have the tech goodies in some form - as options or standard. I don't know if they'll bump the features on the RDX and ILX in the next year or two.
Acura's been able to be a tweener model whose models rest between other makes' luxury models, but when Hyundai/Kia raised the features on their models, that broke the hierarchy in my opinion and is forcing Honda to go more upscale. Should be interesting to see if Acura can remain a value proposition with minimal option packages like they've always been or if they start offering optional packages with tech goodies or they move more upscale and offer them standard and lose their "value"/"entry" moniker.
Acura's been able to be a tweener model whose models rest between other makes' luxury models, but when Hyundai/Kia raised the features on their models, that broke the hierarchy in my opinion and is forcing Honda to go more upscale. Should be interesting to see if Acura can remain a value proposition with minimal option packages like they've always been or if they start offering optional packages with tech goodies or they move more upscale and offer them standard and lose their "value"/"entry" moniker.
09-06-2012, 11:47 AM
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09-06-2012, 12:06 PM
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And typical of Honda... the Canadians get all the good stuff. EX-L V6 coupe has the LED projectors in Canada, but halogens in the US. I wonder how hard it would be to swap those in.
See http://hondanews.ca/en/Honda/accord-...Specifications for the Canadian specifications.
Here's a good shot of the black/ivory interior. Reminds me of the VW CC's two-tone scheme.
I'm picking up a little Infiniti M37 in this shot of the coupe:
09-06-2012, 12:08 PM
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I love that two-tone!
09-06-2012, 12:10 PM
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Wait wait wait.....the coupe EX V6 doesnt get LEDs or even HIDs?????
I like the interior. Though I wish the entire bolster area was black.
I like the interior. Though I wish the entire bolster area was black.
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09-06-2012, 12:22 PM
#3185
I don't really care that much as long as they work. Coming to HID projectors from halogen reflectors was a night-and-day difference. Some of the halogen projectors I've seen have been almost as good. Plus they're a lot easier and cheaper to fix when things go wrong.
The dual LED projectors are definitely a unique look though!
09-06-2012, 12:22 PM
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09-06-2012, 12:28 PM
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09-06-2012, 12:32 PM
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Nope, it has the halogen projectors. It does have the LED DRLs. No LED brake lights on the coupe in any trim level.
I don't really care that much as long as they work. Coming to HID projectors from halogen reflectors was a night-and-day difference. Some of the halogen projectors I've seen have been almost as good. Plus they're a lot easier and cheaper to fix when things go wrong.
The dual LED projectors are definitely a unique look though!
I don't really care that much as long as they work. Coming to HID projectors from halogen reflectors was a night-and-day difference. Some of the halogen projectors I've seen have been almost as good. Plus they're a lot easier and cheaper to fix when things go wrong.
The dual LED projectors are definitely a unique look though!
The outgoing Accord has horrible projectors. The output is garbage. My old as TSX projectors outperform them. Sometimes I wonder why Honda does this shit.
09-06-2012, 12:41 PM
#3189
Are you referring to the coupe? The outgoing sedan has reflectors only. I haven't driven an 8th gen coupe so I don't have anything to say about its projectors. I have driven a Subaru with halogen projectors and had no complaints. I wonder if the Accord's halogen projectors would be fixed by a set of HIR bulbs...
09-06-2012, 12:45 PM
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I like the interior layout. 
The hood above the Nav is a tad weird but otherwise it looks sharp. Its the quality of materials and fit and finish I worry about. Lets hope they learned their lesson after the Civic.
The hood above the Nav is a tad weird but otherwise it looks sharp. Its the quality of materials and fit and finish I worry about. Lets hope they learned their lesson after the Civic.
09-06-2012, 01:12 PM
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Are you referring to the coupe? The outgoing sedan has reflectors only. I haven't driven an 8th gen coupe so I don't have anything to say about its projectors. I have driven a Subaru with halogen projectors and had no complaints. I wonder if the Accord's halogen projectors would be fixed by a set of HIR bulbs...
My new car used Subaru halogen projectors and they were actually worse then the Accord Coupe
A bulb swap would make a slight difference, but not enough when the bowl and the lens have horrible optics.
09-06-2012, 01:28 PM
#3192
http://hondanews.com/channels/honda-...-US&mode=print
09-06-2012, 01:41 PM
#3193
I like it overall. Its a pleasing shape (even if a little boring) and the interior looks very nice. I'd honestly have trouble arguing for an acura over this.
09-06-2012, 02:05 PM
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According to spec and features sheet (under Exterior Features), Touring sedan and all coupe versions get "LED headlights with auto-off." Or am I not reading that right?
http://hondanews.com/channels/honda-...-US&mode=print
http://hondanews.com/channels/honda-...-US&mode=print
The front view picture wouldnt load earlier.
09-06-2012, 03:19 PM
#3196
According to spec and features sheet (under Exterior Features), Touring sedan and all coupe versions get "LED headlights with auto-off." Or am I not reading that right?
http://hondanews.com/channels/honda-...-US&mode=print
http://hondanews.com/channels/honda-...-US&mode=print
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09-06-2012, 07:31 PM
#3197
- You get hood struts with the V6. Also forward collision & lane departure warnings for those of you who care about that stuff.
- Bending rigidity is up 34 percent and torsional rigidity is up 42-percent compared to the previous-generation Accord. In dynamic tests, front lateral rigidity is up 16 percent and rear vertical rigidity is up 39-percent. They don't differentiate this between coupe & sedan.
- All have active noise cancelling.
- Honda is aware of the rubber-band effect on CVTs and claims to have eliminated it. I assume they could do this by selecting a ratio to cruise at the speed you are going at the moment you begin to let off the gas. This could get complicated in a situation where you floor the gas and immediately brake afterwards. But autos are not great at that either.
- VCM no longer switches 3-> 4-> 6 cylinders (now it's either the front 3 or all 6)
- You can get 6MT on the EX sedan
- The Sport gets the extra power from the dual exhaust. You get a locking glovebox starting with this model.
- It feels like an Acura because it's a TSX (duh). But they had to make a global Accord because China has two Honda companies selling two different Accords.
09-07-2012, 03:16 AM
#3199
My biggest gripes about the interior are the bezel around the vents and radio control as well as the silver around the HVAC controls.
I can't explain how I would improve it, but it just clashes so much with the dark black radio surround and if not done correctly, silver/grey plastic always looks incredibly cheap to me.
That was another thought I had... they are used to the nimbler 4-cylinder Euro Accord (TSX).... what now? They'll consider the Accord a land barge in comparison now.
I can't explain how I would improve it, but it just clashes so much with the dark black radio surround and if not done correctly, silver/grey plastic always looks incredibly cheap to me.
That was another thought I had... they are used to the nimbler 4-cylinder Euro Accord (TSX).... what now? They'll consider the Accord a land barge in comparison now.
09-07-2012, 10:59 AM
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My biggest gripes about the interior are the bezel around the vents and radio control as well as the silver around the HVAC controls.
I can't explain how I would improve it, but it just clashes so much with the dark black radio surround and if not done correctly, silver/grey plastic always looks incredibly cheap to me.
I can't explain how I would improve it, but it just clashes so much with the dark black radio surround and if not done correctly, silver/grey plastic always looks incredibly cheap to me.
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