Honda: Accord Crosstour News **2012 Model Info (page 11)**
11-03-2009, 07:22 PM
#321
Drifting
Actually the pricing is very similar
If we want to compare apples to apples, then a very comparably equipped 2010 Outback (3.6R Premium with nav/moonroof and a few other tech features added) is around $36,000 too. So the Crosstour pricing structure is very similar. In fact, it's about the same for a comparably equipped Venza too.
11-03-2009, 08:47 PM
#322
Senior Moderator
^^^^
Correct. Its pricing is close to the competition. Even the TSX wagon (which looks better IMHO).
We'll see how this sells. Once the TSX wagon is out, we'll see how the two compare.
Correct. Its pricing is close to the competition. Even the TSX wagon (which looks better IMHO).
We'll see how this sells. Once the TSX wagon is out, we'll see how the two compare.
11-03-2009, 11:16 PM
#323
fap fap fap
If we want to compare apples to apples, then a very comparably equipped 2010 Outback (3.6R Premium with nav/moonroof and a few other tech features added) is around $36,000 too. So the Crosstour pricing structure is very similar. In fact, it's about the same for a comparably equipped Venza too.
11-04-2009, 06:04 AM
#325
Banned
The Crosstour is like that really hot chick you see making your expresso. She's got great hair and a spectacular body (bumper to A-pillar). Then she moves out from behind the counter and it's cow-city from the hips down.
11-04-2009, 09:06 AM
#326
I'm the Firestarter
11-04-2009, 09:54 AM
#327
Senior Moderator
11-05-2009, 08:19 AM
#329
Racer
This isn't really that much more than a comparably equipped sedan is it? Nevermind, I guess its like $5k. Still though, you gotta figure it'd cost more on the account of AWD and larger size. Not that much of a surprise.
11-24-2009, 07:25 AM
#330
Safety Car
Thread Starter
Canadian Review
ELORA, On.: Honda's 2010 Accord Crosstour is part of an emerging automotive segment of vehicles that have the qualities of a station wagon, a utility vehicle and a minivan but can't be categorized as either.
Like its cousin, the Acura ZDX, and the BMW X6, that arguable started it all, the Accord Crosstour is a fastback luxury tourer aimed not at young families or soft-roaders but at mature buyers with time, money and leisure on their minds.
Keeping this in mind, a vehicle like the Accord Crosstour has to be fleet, stylish, and above all, make a visual statement that the owner has gotten somewhere and life and plans to enjoy it.
It is also interesting that this is called the Accord Crosstour making it a third Accord offering instead of trying to set it up as the Crosstour, a new standup offering.
The Accord sedan, now in its eighth generation, is one of the two cornerstones (the other being the Civic) of Honda. Third generation families continue to buy one Accord after another because they have come to trust the car and the brand.
Sit in the driver's seat and any previous Honda owner will feel at home right down to the shape and feel of the steering wheel. Like a BMW, everything is where you expect to find it.
But there is also a big difference.
The Crosstour is more like the Acura with the use of premium quality materials such as wood trim separating the upper and lower, two-tone or monotone interior.
Seating is leather with surprising few options because most amenities like the 360-watt sound system with an array of speakers, USB device and MP3 jack, to name a few, are standard.
Because the sharp rearward rake of the back hatch appears to rob cargo room, Honda Canada officials made a big thing about capacity at the press launch.
Behind the 60/40 split/fold rear seat there are 728 litres with the cargo floor flat. Lift this up and there is a 54-litre bin concealed which has two, four-litre cubbies on each side. The floor panel is carpeted on one side and plastic on the other so it can be used to haul stuff like plants and soil and then be hosed off after use.
Considering that the target market is two people most of the time, there is more cargo room than they will probably ever need.
If they decided to go down a rutted cottage country path, the Accord Crosstour has all-wheel-drive (AWD) as an option.
And should they do so, ground clearance is 205 mm.
There is one engine offered in the form of a 3.5-litre, SOHC V6 producing 271 hp and 254 lb/ft of torque. It features Honda's Variable Cylinder Management that lets it run on 3-4-6 cylinders for cruising efficiency, moderate power need, and full power needs respectively.
With the standard five-speed automatic transmission, fuel economy is rated at 11.5/7.2L/100 km city/highway for the front-wheel-drive version (FWD) and 12.3/8.0L/100 km city/highway for the AWD.
The transmission is interesting because it has downhill engine rev/gear matching that makes for smoother running about also adds to its responsiveness.
The Accord Crosstour is fully fitted out with safety features like six airbags, active front seat headrests (which is crucial in my opinion), four-wheel disc brakes with ABS (with brake assist and electronic brake force distribution), tire pressure monitoring, and Honda Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with traction control.
Your question, of course, is what about sitting in the back seat?
There is also a lot more headroom (953 mm) than you'd think by viewing the car from outside.
I had no problem stepping in and there certainly was enough legroom. But for some reason, getting out meant exiting the narrow door with head bent sideways to clear the upper doorsill.
Although it is built on an Accord platform, the 205 mm ground clearance literally gives you a heads up over other cars on the road, which is, again, part of the appeal of utility vehicles.
Being higher than the sedan meant extra work had to go into the steering and geometry of the double wishbone front and multi-link rear suspensions.
The Crosstour, like the Accord sedan, is no longer a compact car, even though it is classified as such. With a curb weight of 1,755/1,845 kg (3,270/4,067 lb) for the FWD and AWD respectively, the Crosstour is getting up there.
On the highway it feels solid, but not heavy. It tracks and sticks with the blend of handling and braking that keeps people coming back to buy another Honda.
Some journalists at the press launch said they thought the ride quality was too firm. I found it akin to the BMW X3 which the same journalists raved about several months back, so go figure.
And people in the target demographic are used to European ride and handling by now and they expect this as part of an upper scale package.
Cruising long distances is what the Accord Crosstour is really good at, although it acquits itself just fine in urban settings.
The Accord Crosstour is available in three model choices with the EX-L FWD starting $34,900; the EX-L AWD starting at $36,900 and the EX-L AWD Navi starting at $38,900 with a satellite navigation system, rearview camera and HandsFreeLink Bluetooth wireless telephone interface.
Combining all the things that made believers out of initial Honda buyers, the Accord Crosstour takes the brand up another step and keeping abreast of the market which, after all, has made Honda so successful.
HONDA ACCORD CROSSTOUR 2010 AT A GLANCE
BODY STYLE: Crossover station wagon.
DRIVE METHOD: front-engine, all-wheel-drive.
ENGINE: 3.5-litre SOHC, V6 (271 hp, 254 lb/ft)
FUEL ECONOMY: FWD: 11.5.7.2L/100 km, city/highway. AWD, 12.3/8.0L/100 km city/highway
PRICE: EX-L FWD, $34,900; EX-L AWD, $36,900; EX-L AWD Navi, $38,900
WEBSITE: www.honda.ca
Like its cousin, the Acura ZDX, and the BMW X6, that arguable started it all, the Accord Crosstour is a fastback luxury tourer aimed not at young families or soft-roaders but at mature buyers with time, money and leisure on their minds.
Keeping this in mind, a vehicle like the Accord Crosstour has to be fleet, stylish, and above all, make a visual statement that the owner has gotten somewhere and life and plans to enjoy it.
It is also interesting that this is called the Accord Crosstour making it a third Accord offering instead of trying to set it up as the Crosstour, a new standup offering.
The Accord sedan, now in its eighth generation, is one of the two cornerstones (the other being the Civic) of Honda. Third generation families continue to buy one Accord after another because they have come to trust the car and the brand.
Sit in the driver's seat and any previous Honda owner will feel at home right down to the shape and feel of the steering wheel. Like a BMW, everything is where you expect to find it.
But there is also a big difference.
The Crosstour is more like the Acura with the use of premium quality materials such as wood trim separating the upper and lower, two-tone or monotone interior.
Seating is leather with surprising few options because most amenities like the 360-watt sound system with an array of speakers, USB device and MP3 jack, to name a few, are standard.
Because the sharp rearward rake of the back hatch appears to rob cargo room, Honda Canada officials made a big thing about capacity at the press launch.
Behind the 60/40 split/fold rear seat there are 728 litres with the cargo floor flat. Lift this up and there is a 54-litre bin concealed which has two, four-litre cubbies on each side. The floor panel is carpeted on one side and plastic on the other so it can be used to haul stuff like plants and soil and then be hosed off after use.
Considering that the target market is two people most of the time, there is more cargo room than they will probably ever need.
If they decided to go down a rutted cottage country path, the Accord Crosstour has all-wheel-drive (AWD) as an option.
And should they do so, ground clearance is 205 mm.
There is one engine offered in the form of a 3.5-litre, SOHC V6 producing 271 hp and 254 lb/ft of torque. It features Honda's Variable Cylinder Management that lets it run on 3-4-6 cylinders for cruising efficiency, moderate power need, and full power needs respectively.
With the standard five-speed automatic transmission, fuel economy is rated at 11.5/7.2L/100 km city/highway for the front-wheel-drive version (FWD) and 12.3/8.0L/100 km city/highway for the AWD.
The transmission is interesting because it has downhill engine rev/gear matching that makes for smoother running about also adds to its responsiveness.
The Accord Crosstour is fully fitted out with safety features like six airbags, active front seat headrests (which is crucial in my opinion), four-wheel disc brakes with ABS (with brake assist and electronic brake force distribution), tire pressure monitoring, and Honda Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with traction control.
Your question, of course, is what about sitting in the back seat?
There is also a lot more headroom (953 mm) than you'd think by viewing the car from outside.
I had no problem stepping in and there certainly was enough legroom. But for some reason, getting out meant exiting the narrow door with head bent sideways to clear the upper doorsill.
Although it is built on an Accord platform, the 205 mm ground clearance literally gives you a heads up over other cars on the road, which is, again, part of the appeal of utility vehicles.
Being higher than the sedan meant extra work had to go into the steering and geometry of the double wishbone front and multi-link rear suspensions.
The Crosstour, like the Accord sedan, is no longer a compact car, even though it is classified as such. With a curb weight of 1,755/1,845 kg (3,270/4,067 lb) for the FWD and AWD respectively, the Crosstour is getting up there.
On the highway it feels solid, but not heavy. It tracks and sticks with the blend of handling and braking that keeps people coming back to buy another Honda.
Some journalists at the press launch said they thought the ride quality was too firm. I found it akin to the BMW X3 which the same journalists raved about several months back, so go figure.
And people in the target demographic are used to European ride and handling by now and they expect this as part of an upper scale package.
Cruising long distances is what the Accord Crosstour is really good at, although it acquits itself just fine in urban settings.
The Accord Crosstour is available in three model choices with the EX-L FWD starting $34,900; the EX-L AWD starting at $36,900 and the EX-L AWD Navi starting at $38,900 with a satellite navigation system, rearview camera and HandsFreeLink Bluetooth wireless telephone interface.
Combining all the things that made believers out of initial Honda buyers, the Accord Crosstour takes the brand up another step and keeping abreast of the market which, after all, has made Honda so successful.
HONDA ACCORD CROSSTOUR 2010 AT A GLANCE
BODY STYLE: Crossover station wagon.
DRIVE METHOD: front-engine, all-wheel-drive.
ENGINE: 3.5-litre SOHC, V6 (271 hp, 254 lb/ft)
FUEL ECONOMY: FWD: 11.5.7.2L/100 km, city/highway. AWD, 12.3/8.0L/100 km city/highway
PRICE: EX-L FWD, $34,900; EX-L AWD, $36,900; EX-L AWD Navi, $38,900
WEBSITE: www.honda.ca
11-24-2009, 10:54 AM
#331
The sizzle in the Steak
Saw the crosstour on Motor Week this past weekend.
...and with all the camera angles, and shots of the car in motion.....it still looks horrible.
It looks like two different cars joined in the middle. The front: angular...The rear: round/curvy.
One "neat" thing is the single pull release to drop the rear seats down for cargo....convenient.
...and with all the camera angles, and shots of the car in motion.....it still looks horrible.
It looks like two different cars joined in the middle. The front: angular...The rear: round/curvy.
One "neat" thing is the single pull release to drop the rear seats down for cargo....convenient.
11-24-2009, 11:05 AM
#332
Senior Moderator
I should delete this thread on account of ugly.
11-24-2009, 11:16 AM
#334
Senior Moderator
11-24-2009, 12:10 PM
#336
The sizzle in the Steak
11-30-2009, 07:03 PM
#337
Safety Car
Thread Starter
USA 2day
You could make a strong case that, with the launch of the Accord Crosstour on Nov. 20, Honda's now gotten the Accord right.
Honda – playing the same future games that everybody in the business does – decided awhile back that a big chunk of buyers would be pining about now for an Accord-size vehicle that was handier than a sedan and sportier than a mainstream crossover-utility vehicle.
Those would be, Honda speculated, folks beginning a family or folks whose kids have flown. Crosstour is intended to be their new best friend.
You're forgiven if you can't quite place the type of vehicle. Is it a coupe-ish, utility-ish, what-ish ... ?
No. It's a hatchback. Period.
It sits 2 inches higher off the ground than the Accord sedan on which it's based, for foul-weather and bad-road ground clearance, and it offers very basic all-wheel drive as an option.
It is what in the European market is called a five-door – a four-door sedan with a hatch making the fifth door. You can say the same about the BMW X6 or Honda's Acura ZDX. Remarkable, really, that after years of hatch rejection, the industry's inching back toward what's always been the best, most practical way to configure a sedan.
Besides the obvious – a sharply sloping roofline – Crosstour differs from the Accord sedan several ways: beefier grille, nifty blue instrument pointer lighting, 299 to 487 more pounds than similar Accord sedans, 2 inches wider than the sedan outside (though, strangely, an inch or so less inside). And it's the only Accord to offer AWD, though a more primitive type than, say, the Subaru Legacy provides.
The sloping rear roof makes the 2010 Accord Crosstour distinctive, unlike, say, the flat-roofed Toyota Venza based on the Camry sedan. But the styling is color-dependent. A white test car looked as if it had been eating bonbons on the couch all day. A dark gray tester looked trimmer.
The hatch is handier than a trunk, and space behind Crosstour's back seat is twice that of an Accord sedan trunk.
Honda's brought its best cargo-consciousness to the stowage area. Under-floor bins ape the feature in the Honda Ridgeline pickup. A big removable and washable center bin is flanked by two smaller ones. The covers of all three tubs can be reversed, offering carpet or a durable hard-plastic surface.
But there's no stash site for the covers if you overfill the bins. You have to leave them loose in the car or in your garage.
The all-wheel drive, which Honda calls Real Time, is like that on its Element and CR-V small SUVs. Mainly a front-drive system, it transfers some power to the back wheels when, and only when, the fronts slip, Honda says.
Yes, the Honda setup responds quickly. But AWD almost always provides better stability and security if it anticipates and can power all the wheels a moment before they lose traction, rather than a moment after. The system is lighter and cheaper than smarter AWD setups, so it's easy to see why Honda chose it. And it worked fine in very wet weather. No winter roads were available for severe weather testing.
But how's the darn thing drive? That's the point, isn't it?
Yes, it is. And it drives great. But there's literally a price for the package. Crosstour's a premium model, ranging from about $30,000 to $37,000, which is $2,865 to $3,665 more than similar Accord sedans. And the fuel economy is mediocre.
Still:
•It had one of the best blends of ride comfort and bump-taming found in any test car for years. It was quite at home on a tight S corner that's part of the Test Drive routine, taken as fast as traffic and bravery will allow. That was surprising. Extra weight usually degrades handling.
Crosstour swallowed almost without acknowledgment hefty drainage channels, also taken briskly, that populate other parts of the Test Drive route.
Steering was a commendable combo of straight-ahead finesse and quick-turning response. Brakes felt above average.
•Seats were unusually comfortable for a Honda, allowing good retraction of the lumbar support and, in the testers, providing inviting leather surfaces.
In back, the tape measure says head and legroom are about even with the sedan, but it nevertheless felt tight for a leggy adult back there.
•Optional navigation system was aggravatingly slow to load and signal its readiness, but a peach otherwise. It could be used while underway (always and only by a passenger, you understand, for safety). Spelling the names of streets or points of interest was fast because of how the dial and the alphabet display are set up.
•The 3.5-liter V-6, same as available in the Accord sedan and the only engine offered for the Crosstour, ran like a champ, making nice noises doing so. Crosstour's extra weight dampened the yee-haw index when applying wide-open throttle.
The five-speed automatic shifted briskly and smoothly.
•Details were a mix. Old-school parking brake sat right there against the center tunnel. No monkeying with an electronic faux brake device to save console space. But Crosstour didn't want for cubbies and bins on the console.
Fuel-filler door latch down by the floor is gone. Now you just push the fuel door and it pops open, as on most vehicles. If the car is locked, so's the gas flap, so you're no more vulnerable than before if fuel goes back to $4 a gallon and siphonistas are on the prowl.
No blind-spot warning blinkers in the outside mirrors – and that was good. Kept the driver more attentive to surrounding traffic. Rearview camera provided a crisp image in the navi screen when backing.
By whatever alchemy, Honda's made the Crosstour such a delight that other Accords, and rival sedans, seem pale.
Honda – playing the same future games that everybody in the business does – decided awhile back that a big chunk of buyers would be pining about now for an Accord-size vehicle that was handier than a sedan and sportier than a mainstream crossover-utility vehicle.
Those would be, Honda speculated, folks beginning a family or folks whose kids have flown. Crosstour is intended to be their new best friend.
You're forgiven if you can't quite place the type of vehicle. Is it a coupe-ish, utility-ish, what-ish ... ?
No. It's a hatchback. Period.
It sits 2 inches higher off the ground than the Accord sedan on which it's based, for foul-weather and bad-road ground clearance, and it offers very basic all-wheel drive as an option.
It is what in the European market is called a five-door – a four-door sedan with a hatch making the fifth door. You can say the same about the BMW X6 or Honda's Acura ZDX. Remarkable, really, that after years of hatch rejection, the industry's inching back toward what's always been the best, most practical way to configure a sedan.
Besides the obvious – a sharply sloping roofline – Crosstour differs from the Accord sedan several ways: beefier grille, nifty blue instrument pointer lighting, 299 to 487 more pounds than similar Accord sedans, 2 inches wider than the sedan outside (though, strangely, an inch or so less inside). And it's the only Accord to offer AWD, though a more primitive type than, say, the Subaru Legacy provides.
The sloping rear roof makes the 2010 Accord Crosstour distinctive, unlike, say, the flat-roofed Toyota Venza based on the Camry sedan. But the styling is color-dependent. A white test car looked as if it had been eating bonbons on the couch all day. A dark gray tester looked trimmer.
The hatch is handier than a trunk, and space behind Crosstour's back seat is twice that of an Accord sedan trunk.
Honda's brought its best cargo-consciousness to the stowage area. Under-floor bins ape the feature in the Honda Ridgeline pickup. A big removable and washable center bin is flanked by two smaller ones. The covers of all three tubs can be reversed, offering carpet or a durable hard-plastic surface.
But there's no stash site for the covers if you overfill the bins. You have to leave them loose in the car or in your garage.
The all-wheel drive, which Honda calls Real Time, is like that on its Element and CR-V small SUVs. Mainly a front-drive system, it transfers some power to the back wheels when, and only when, the fronts slip, Honda says.
Yes, the Honda setup responds quickly. But AWD almost always provides better stability and security if it anticipates and can power all the wheels a moment before they lose traction, rather than a moment after. The system is lighter and cheaper than smarter AWD setups, so it's easy to see why Honda chose it. And it worked fine in very wet weather. No winter roads were available for severe weather testing.
But how's the darn thing drive? That's the point, isn't it?
Yes, it is. And it drives great. But there's literally a price for the package. Crosstour's a premium model, ranging from about $30,000 to $37,000, which is $2,865 to $3,665 more than similar Accord sedans. And the fuel economy is mediocre.
Still:
•It had one of the best blends of ride comfort and bump-taming found in any test car for years. It was quite at home on a tight S corner that's part of the Test Drive routine, taken as fast as traffic and bravery will allow. That was surprising. Extra weight usually degrades handling.
Crosstour swallowed almost without acknowledgment hefty drainage channels, also taken briskly, that populate other parts of the Test Drive route.
Steering was a commendable combo of straight-ahead finesse and quick-turning response. Brakes felt above average.
•Seats were unusually comfortable for a Honda, allowing good retraction of the lumbar support and, in the testers, providing inviting leather surfaces.
In back, the tape measure says head and legroom are about even with the sedan, but it nevertheless felt tight for a leggy adult back there.
•Optional navigation system was aggravatingly slow to load and signal its readiness, but a peach otherwise. It could be used while underway (always and only by a passenger, you understand, for safety). Spelling the names of streets or points of interest was fast because of how the dial and the alphabet display are set up.
•The 3.5-liter V-6, same as available in the Accord sedan and the only engine offered for the Crosstour, ran like a champ, making nice noises doing so. Crosstour's extra weight dampened the yee-haw index when applying wide-open throttle.
The five-speed automatic shifted briskly and smoothly.
•Details were a mix. Old-school parking brake sat right there against the center tunnel. No monkeying with an electronic faux brake device to save console space. But Crosstour didn't want for cubbies and bins on the console.
Fuel-filler door latch down by the floor is gone. Now you just push the fuel door and it pops open, as on most vehicles. If the car is locked, so's the gas flap, so you're no more vulnerable than before if fuel goes back to $4 a gallon and siphonistas are on the prowl.
No blind-spot warning blinkers in the outside mirrors – and that was good. Kept the driver more attentive to surrounding traffic. Rearview camera provided a crisp image in the navi screen when backing.
By whatever alchemy, Honda's made the Crosstour such a delight that other Accords, and rival sedans, seem pale.
HONDA ACCORD CROSSTOUR
•What? A high-riding hatchback version of the Accord sedan for those who want a hint of SUV and a bushel of utility in their sedans. Available with front-wheel drive (FWD) or all-wheel drive (AWD).
•When? On sale since Nov. 20.
•Where? Made at East Liberty, Ohio.
•Why? Fill a gap that Honda perceived between Accord sedan and Pilot SUV.
•How much? Pricey. EX FWD starts at $30,380 including $710 shipping. EX-L (leather), the lowest-price AWD, is $34,710. Loaded test car, AWD EX-L with navigation, was $36,930.
•How powerful? 3.5-liter V-6 rated 271 horsepower at 6,200 rpm, 254 pounds-feet of torque at 5,000; five-speed automatic transmission.
•How big? Inches its way into full size: 196.8 inches long, 65.7 in. tall (including 4-in. antenna), 74.7 in. wide on a 110.1-in. wheelbase. Weighs 3,857 to 4,070 lbs. Turning circle diameter: 40.2 ft.
Passenger space: 101.4 cubic feet (100.8 cu. ft., AWD). Cargo: 25.7 cu. ft. behind rear seat, 51.3 cu. ft. when seat's folded.
Tows 1,500 lbs.
•How thirsty? Rated 18 mpg in town, 27 mpg on the highway, 21 in combined driving (FWD), 17/25/20 (AWD). Trip computer in AWD tester showed 17.1 mpg (5.75 gallons per 100 miles) in suburban use, FWD tester showed 18.7 mpg (5.35 gal./100) in mostly city use.
Burns regular, holds 18.5 gallons.
•Overall: Feels just right.
•What? A high-riding hatchback version of the Accord sedan for those who want a hint of SUV and a bushel of utility in their sedans. Available with front-wheel drive (FWD) or all-wheel drive (AWD).
•When? On sale since Nov. 20.
•Where? Made at East Liberty, Ohio.
•Why? Fill a gap that Honda perceived between Accord sedan and Pilot SUV.
•How much? Pricey. EX FWD starts at $30,380 including $710 shipping. EX-L (leather), the lowest-price AWD, is $34,710. Loaded test car, AWD EX-L with navigation, was $36,930.
•How powerful? 3.5-liter V-6 rated 271 horsepower at 6,200 rpm, 254 pounds-feet of torque at 5,000; five-speed automatic transmission.
•How big? Inches its way into full size: 196.8 inches long, 65.7 in. tall (including 4-in. antenna), 74.7 in. wide on a 110.1-in. wheelbase. Weighs 3,857 to 4,070 lbs. Turning circle diameter: 40.2 ft.
Passenger space: 101.4 cubic feet (100.8 cu. ft., AWD). Cargo: 25.7 cu. ft. behind rear seat, 51.3 cu. ft. when seat's folded.
Tows 1,500 lbs.
•How thirsty? Rated 18 mpg in town, 27 mpg on the highway, 21 in combined driving (FWD), 17/25/20 (AWD). Trip computer in AWD tester showed 17.1 mpg (5.75 gallons per 100 miles) in suburban use, FWD tester showed 18.7 mpg (5.35 gal./100) in mostly city use.
Burns regular, holds 18.5 gallons.
•Overall: Feels just right.
11-30-2009, 08:56 PM
#339
11-30-2009, 09:03 PM
#341
Of course I have. it's just a two box design that is a tall, slab sided SUV wanabe. Same as before. (but bigger)
11-30-2009, 09:11 PM
#342
Senior Moderator
Its no more a box than any of the many similar vehicles on the road. The Crosstour gets that swooping rear roofline that not only cuts into rear seat headroom and diminishes rear cargo space but it also makes it as ugly as sin. If thats the cost of avoiding boxy styling I'd rather have a box.
A true box is a Honda Pilot. Its practically a square from the A pillar back.
I hate arguing stying. Eye of the beholder....but I truly don't believe that applies with the Crosstour. Anyone who thinks it looks good should get the prescription on their Honda goggles checked.
A true box is a Honda Pilot. Its practically a square from the A pillar back.
I hate arguing stying. Eye of the beholder....but I truly don't believe that applies with the Crosstour. Anyone who thinks it looks good should get the prescription on their Honda goggles checked.
Last edited by dom; 11-30-2009 at 09:19 PM.
11-30-2009, 09:25 PM
#343
Its no more a box than any of the many similar vehicles on the road. The Crosstour gets that swooping rear roofline that not only cuts into rear seat headroom and diminishes rear cargo space but it also makes it as ugly as sin. If thats the cost of avoiding boxy styling I'd rather have a box.
A true box is a Honda Pilot. Its practically a square from the A pillar back.
I hate arguing stying. Eye of the beholder....but I truly don't believe that applies with the Crosstour. Anyone who thinks it looks good should get the prescription on their Honda googles checked.
A true box is a Honda Pilot. Its practically a square from the A pillar back.
I hate arguing stying. Eye of the beholder....but I truly don't believe that applies with the Crosstour. Anyone who thinks it looks good should get the prescription on their Honda googles checked.
So who cares if it has less headroom than an SUV or Minivan? It will probably have similar headroom to recent 'swoopy' sedans but more trunk space. These will be niche vehicles, so by definition, there will be more people who don't want them than do. I just see it as another option in the Accord lineup, that can only 'steal' a few sales from the more traditional unit-body boxy, AWD choices (which you noted that there are a lot of). What's wrong with offering another choice?
11-30-2009, 10:06 PM
#344
Senior Moderator
LOL, SUVs, Minivans and Station Wagons all put function over fashion. As a result they are ALL boxes. Nothing good to look at. Remember that I've always argued against hatchbacks because they typically don't sell well in the US. But, I'm always amazed with how much we can put in an RSX or Integra coupe. These seem to offer 'swoopy' styling and above average (compared to a sedan) cargo and loading capacity. IMO the CrossTour (and ZDX) will take this to another level in terms of size and sophistication.
So who cares if it has less headroom than an SUV or Minivan? It will probably have similar headroom to recent 'swoopy' sedans but more trunk space. These will be niche vehicles, so by definition, there will be more people who don't want them than do. I just see it as another option in the Accord lineup, that can only 'steal' a few sales from the more traditional unit-body boxy, AWD choices (which you noted that there are a lot of). What's wrong with offering another choice?
So who cares if it has less headroom than an SUV or Minivan? It will probably have similar headroom to recent 'swoopy' sedans but more trunk space. These will be niche vehicles, so by definition, there will be more people who don't want them than do. I just see it as another option in the Accord lineup, that can only 'steal' a few sales from the more traditional unit-body boxy, AWD choices (which you noted that there are a lot of). What's wrong with offering another choice?
My issue isn't with the purpose of the Crosstour. Go back to page 1 of this thread where I like the idea of an Accord Wagon/Crossover. My problem is with the execution, more specifically the styling. IMO this is the ugliest production vehicle since the Aztek. And likely in the top 3 list of ugliest vehicles I`ve ever seen. I can`t get past that.
11-30-2009, 10:16 PM
#345
My issue isn't with the purpose of the Crosstour. Go back to page 1 of this thread where I like the idea of an Accord Wagon/Crossover. My problem is with the execution, more specifically the styling. IMO this is the ugliest production vehicle since the Aztek. And likely in the top 3 list of ugliest vehicles I`ve ever seen. I can`t get past that.
12-01-2009, 01:03 PM
#348
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The Crosstour is ugly.
The ZDX is ugly.....but you know, I have this vague feeling in my lower intestine that I'm gonna like the ZDX in a year or so.
Concerning the Crosstour, that same vague feeling is simply the fact that it looks like a turd and makes me wanna take a shit.
The ZDX is ugly.....but you know, I have this vague feeling in my lower intestine that I'm gonna like the ZDX in a year or so.
Concerning the Crosstour, that same vague feeling is simply the fact that it looks like a turd and makes me wanna take a shit.
12-01-2009, 02:25 PM
#349
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The kids at the Honda design studios brainwashed the managers into accepting this POS design. The typical Honda buyer would have been just as happy with a traditional wagon (which they made in the mid 90s) or a traditional 5 door (available in Europe in the 90s), but no, they had to come up with this crazy mixed design. It's not only ugly, but the extra weight made Honda use the V6 (where the I4 could have been used in traditional designs) which in turn leads to high prices and sucky gas mileage. They should have had the guts to pull the plug on this along with the NSX when the economy soured. This is a 2006 design that probably barely squeeked by into production and Honda will regret that decision down the road.
I can just see the markeeters in a couple of years with the excuses for the poor sales: The US market is just not ready for a 5 door.
I can just see the markeeters in a couple of years with the excuses for the poor sales: The US market is just not ready for a 5 door.
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12-01-2009, 02:47 PM
#350
There is nothing to lose with the Crosstour. If nobody buys it, they didn't lose any sales that they didn't have before.
12-01-2009, 03:03 PM
#351
I drive a Subata.
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12-01-2009, 03:03 PM
#352
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Dealers who have this things piling up on lots lose.
Honda's reputation will also take a hit with this thing.
12-01-2009, 03:13 PM
#353
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I got my flame suit on, but I don't think it looks that bad. It's not the prettiest car by far, but definitely not Aztek material IMO.
12-01-2009, 03:20 PM
#354
I drive a Subata.
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^ everyone has different taste, so 
12-01-2009, 03:29 PM
#355
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As the wife and I were @ our local Honda dealership over the weekend (mulling over a possible 2010 Civic LX purchase), we had the chance to checkout the Crosstour.
The wife and I agree little when it comes to our respective tastes in cars but on this we agree: we know it's built well, has great utility, will have great resale value and be a respectable performer but, it's TERRIBLY UGLY!! That there's actually a car in Honda's showroom now that is uglier than the Element is flat out amazing.
The wife and I agree little when it comes to our respective tastes in cars but on this we agree: we know it's built well, has great utility, will have great resale value and be a respectable performer but, it's TERRIBLY UGLY!! That there's actually a car in Honda's showroom now that is uglier than the Element is flat out amazing.
12-01-2009, 03:30 PM
#356
I drive a Subata.
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^ 
12-01-2009, 03:31 PM
#357
Not even close. We won't even find 40,000 TSX buyers total. If there were 40,000 V-6 MT buyers, I'm sure they would build it, because then there is nothing to lose. I'm sure they'll find 40,000 buyers for the crosstour. How many Honda dealers are there? There are only going to be a little over 3000 per month built, is this 1-2 per dealer, per month? Not unrealistic IMO.
12-01-2009, 03:33 PM
#358
12-01-2009, 03:54 PM
#359
I drive a Subata.
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12-01-2009, 03:58 PM
#360
^^ Oh you got me I changed my story....grow up.
I changed my story....grow up.