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Old 07-03-2010, 08:39 PM
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I don't know...i'd probably still pick the BMW over the Audi. but i can't wait to read why C&D decided to give those standings.
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the article picked on the BWM cus of it's artificial steering feels @_@
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point scoring was very narrow. 214 to 205.
on 700mile test run all three cars have essentially same 22mpg. despite Audi having 6 speed and the other two 7/8 speed.
performance was essentially similar upto 100mph. Audi was only one i think with AWD. Audi had slight handlng advantage in handling.
Anything beyond 6speed is just to get EPA ratings of constant driving.
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I would prolly get the Infiniti, based on looks and interior.
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BMW is recalling around 12,400 2011 BMW 5-Series sedans in the United States and China to fix a fuel-level sensor, the same issue that it recently recalled the BMW 5-Series Gran Turismo for. The German automaker is recalling 6,400 units of the new 5-Series in the United States and 5,000 to 6,000 units in China. Spokesman Frank Strebe said that replacing a part of the fuel tank sensor will take about half a day (they better give you a loaner).

Click here to get prices quotes on the 2011 BMW 5-Series.

As with the 5-Series Gran Turismo the issue occurs when:
“The vehicle’s fuel-level sensor within the fuel tank can become wedges against the tank,” the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a statement. “If this occurs, the fuel gauge in the instrument cluster would display a larger amount of fuel than was actually in the tank. As a result, if the tank became empty, the vehicle could stall, increasing the risk of a crash.”
Strebe said that there have been 10 reported incidents in the United States. NHTSA says the vehicles were built from Jan. 12 to July 1.
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So I finally saw a 5 series GT today in person.

Ever since I saw the pics I thought it was an abomination, like a really botched BMW version of Audi's Sportback "4 door coupe" thing. Well, seeing one in person made me realized I had it all wrong. The 5 series GT is actually a very nicely executed BMW take on the crossover, like a BMW X6 except that it's a vehicle that actually makes sense. It's like they started with the X6 and took the SUV out of it.

As long as you don't think of it as a 5 series hatchback or "4 door coupe" I think it's actually a nice SUV alternative.
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^^^ hmmm. I didn't like it in pictures either but I will definitely need to go look at it now. My wifes MDX is coming off lease soon and we don't need a people mover anymore. I want to step down from an SUV (which was a step down from a minivan) to something that still has some utility. She HATES the way the ZDX looks so that's out. Thanks for implanting that idea in my mind. Now if I can get past the price!
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
So I finally saw a 5 series GT today in person.

I saw one today as well, the Porsche Panamara has some competition in the ugly dept .
Old 08-25-2010, 11:07 AM
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I saw one today as well, the Porsche Panamara has some competition in the ugly dept .
No, I saw a ZDX for the first time ever and it has all of them beat.
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^^^ hmmm. I didn't like it in pictures either but I will definitely need to go look at it now. My wifes MDX is coming off lease soon and we don't need a people mover anymore. I want to step down from an SUV (which was a step down from a minivan) to something that still has some utility. She HATES the way the ZDX looks so that's out. Thanks for implanting that idea in my mind. Now if I can get past the price!
Well the ZDX has ZERO utility so even if you liked the looks I doubt you'd want it. Have a look at the A4 Avant.
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Performance cars are all about performance, except when they're not. In the case of luxury-performance sedans like BMW's M5, there are numerous concessions made to comfort and civility that cost ultimate speed and handling. But the next M5 may make a big concession: no manual transmission, not even as an option.

The report from Motor Trend says the F10 version of the M5, expected to make its debut next month at the Geneva Motor Show before going on sale later in the year, will come only with a regular automatic--not even the M DCT dual-clutch transmission found on other M cars, because it can't handle the torque output of the 550-horsepower twin-turbo V-8 expected to slot under the hood.

Why ditch the stick? Because almost no one buys them, most likely. Competitor Mercedes-Benz has long gone this route, to no apparent detriment, with its E63 AMG, including the most recent version. BMW's M5 is generally considered to be more of a driver's car, however, so some aficionados may be disappointed with the move, should it come to be.

Ourselves, we're not all that bothered by it; modern automatics are very capable, especially when equipped with paddle shifters. They do perfect justice to the X5 M and X6 M, for example. In a large, luxurious sedan, the manual might even seem out of place.

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Old 02-15-2011, 05:36 PM
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fuck that. the M5 is the grown mans M..

drive your kids to school and row your own gears doing it. im sorely disappointed and i will probably never buy one.
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Can the regular 5 series be far behind?
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Hope this turns out nice
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Even more reason to get the CTS-V. You can get the row your own gears option.
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^ seriously. I bet the M5 will be a beast nonetheless.
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I just wish GM would get a dual clutch/smg style trans.
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IIRC, the E60 M5 was initially automatic only and then later adapted with a manual tranny. If buyers clamour for the 'self-row' then, I'm sure BMW will adapt one for the F10 version as well.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
IIRC, the E60 M5 was initially automatic only and then later adapted with a manual tranny. If buyers clamour for the 'self-row' then, I'm sure BMW will adapt one for the F10 version as well.
but, this is not what the buyers wanted. BMW just dumped the E39's manual into the E60, without changing any of the gear ratios etc.
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Russian website www.transmissia.net broke the embargo and unveiled the photos of the M5 F10 Concept.







Source (in Russian): http://transmissia.net/transfocator/02.04.11/8300.html
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I dont like the rear valance or wheels. Otherwise its exactly what i was expecting.
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yeah i dont like the rear valance either. reminds me of pontiacs from the 90's. heh
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If they're going to just make the F10 look like a big E90 the least they could do is make the M5 look as good as the M3 (which it does not).
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Im not a big fan of the new 5, in general. it looks too much like the 7.

edit: let me paraphrase - I like the car and would not mind owning one - I just think it has lost its character. the last one had a lot of character. (of course it took a while for that car to grow on me)
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Agreed. The new 5er design is too "safe" and almost borderline bland. Interior is amazing though.
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Hmmm...not sure if I like it yet.


I think the regular 5er looks better from initial feelings...but, BMW often takes awhile to warm up to me when they issue an all-new design lately (with the new 5 and 6 being the exceptions)...
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Too lazy to find the article but BMW is entertaining the idea of putting a manual in this for the U.S only market.

Everyone else in the world has moved on to adapting DCT type trannys.
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Too lazy to find the article but BMW is entertaining the idea of putting a manual in this for the U.S only market.

Everyone else in the world has moved on to adapting DCT type trannys.
The rest of the world is smart. I understand its fun, but with today's technology, it just doesnt make sense to produce a slower version of such a high performing car. I dont blame bmw one bit.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
If they're going to just make the F10 look like a big E90 the least they could do is make the M5 look as good as the M3 (which it does not).

BMW and MB and even Audi to an extent need to cut it out with the derivative styling... seems like they all take the same front bumper and mold it for each of the M and AMG models. I get it - they are models from the same manufacturer and thus will have similar styling cues.... but the bumpers shouldn't look exactly alike.

I'm not saying the new crop of AMGs and Ms look bad either for the most part... it just gets old IMO. Same deal with the interior... from one generation to the next it's like they take the same bland HVAC unit, buttons, switches and knobs and gauge cluster and reuse it every generation and refresh.



The materials look great, it's ergonomic, improved over the previous gen, yada yada but it's the same old, same old. Why fix it if it's not broken I guess?
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Well the gauge cluster in the F10 is surely new and sexy.









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looks pretty nice, but they have had better manifestations of the M5 in the past
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Today marks the public release of the all new BMW Concept M5 ahead of its formal debut in Shanghai.

Now as you may have quickly noticed, the word 'concept' sits between BMW and M5, meaning this car is not yet the full production vehicle. In typical BMW M fashion, first a "concept" version of the car is rolled out to the public, in order to showcase what the car will look like, painted in stunning Chrome Shadow. After this car has been shown to the world, the full production version will then be released (including the technical details).

Styling
Here is what we know about the 5th Generation M5. Following the base F10 5-Series' intention, this car strikes a more subtle aesthetic look in the M car lineup, reflecting its more mature personality. No extra vents or hood bumps are to be found on the M5, only the performance requisite M front and rear aprons and a subtle rear lip spoiler. In fact, the most striking feature of the M5 is going to be the chrome front fender vents, which have an all new take when compared to M vents of the past. Overall, there is a good visual balance. Q car fans can get this car in a dark color and pass under the radar; those that want to stand out a bit more can dress the car in a bright defining color and there will be no mistaking the M trademarks, especially from the rear view mirror (see image above

Engine
The technical details, including the most important one: Horsepower, is still a closely guarded secret by BMW. What BMW does say is that the engine is significantly increased in output level. The engine will indeed utilize a high-revving V8 with M TwinPower Turbos, albeit different from the X5/6 M. BMW claims to have been to at the same time increase performance and fuel efficiency, when compared to the V10 unit in the previous M5. The increase in fuel efficiency on the F10 M5 is up by a staggering 25%.

Accompanying this engine is a standard 7-speed M DCT with M Drivelogic and of course the M-specific suspension. M Drivelogic will also incorporate Start-Stop technology. No word as of yet on a manual transmission option. In our interview with Dr. Kay Segler, outgoing M chief, the question was asked and BMW would neither confirm or deny.

M Differential
BMW makes note to remind us that the M5 has been tested and tuned on the Nurburgring, as we know, thats what makes our BMW's drive the way we like them to. For the M5, a special Active M Differential was developed to optimize vehicle stability using targeted variation of locking torque between the right and left drive wheels. Active control of the multi-plate lock inside the rear differential is highly accurate and fast. This ensures that wheel spin is prevented even on slippery road surfaces and in the event of differing friction coefficients between the right and left wheels, in narrow bends or during sudden lane changes. M differential is so important to maintaining true M car stability and acceleration.

Wheels/Tires
BMW has shod the M5 with M-specific double spoke wheels, which are reminiscent of the lightweight pieces used on the X6M, the 20" forged wheels are shod with 265/35 ZR20 on the front and 295/30 ZR20 on the rear, we are still not sure if this is the final tire spec for the production vehicle, but we would assume so.
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Following the perfect line: The BMW Concept M5.

Munich. For 25 years now, the fascinating combination of supreme driving comfort experienced in a premium upper midrange sedan and the handling characteristics of a high-performance sports car has been described by one single unmistakable model designation - BMW M5. In 1984, with the first generation of this model, the BMW M GmbH laid the foundation stone for a completely new vehicle category. The BMW M5 was the first car of its kind to offer racing-oriented high performance in a sedan that could be driven without restrictions in everyday road traffic. This unique concept developed into a remarkable success story spanning four model generations. The BMW M GmbH is now drawing the attention of racing car enthusiasts to a four-seater yet again. The BMW Concept M5, which is making its public debut at the Auto Shanghai 2011, presents itself as the latest reinterpretation of this unmistakable vehicle character.

Superior sportiness and typical M aesthetics in a BMW 5 Series Sedan format provide the basis for the exclusive BMW M5 driving experience. With each model generation, the advancements made in the development of premium sedans in terms of comfort, safety and premium ambience were accompanied by new possibilities to intensify that unsurpassed ‘M feeling’. The world premiere of the BMW Concept M5 at the Auto Shanghai 2011 gives clear signals for the continuation of this tradition. Based on the design vocabulary developed for the BMW 5 Series Sedan, the near-series concept car reflects the characteristic styling features of a BMW M automobile, with which the car’s further enhanced dynamic potential is authentically visualised.

A new high-revving V8 engine with M TwinPower Turbo Technology guarantees typical M power output. The eight-cylinder power unit delivers a spontaneous and even acceleration, which remains constant up to the highest load and is characteristic of the M feeling, in a previously unequalled dimension. At the same time, both performance and efficiency have been significantly increased in comparison to the previous engine. Numerous drivetrain innovations and other enhancements have lead to a reduction in fuel consumption and emission levels by more than 25 percent. The new engine and a seven-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic and M-specific suspension and steering create the ideal prerequisites for an unrivalled driving experience.

Typical M aesthetics: performance defines design, aerodynamics optimise performance.
The athletic appearance of the BMW Concept M5 authentically expresses the engine’s superior power. The sporty and elegant look of the BMW M5 Sedan has been specifically modified using typical M design vocabulary. All specific design features are directly related to the four-seater’s outstanding performance characteristics. They were developed exclusively for the BMW Concept M5 and enhance the vehicle’s character, which is marked by high performance and supreme handling even under extreme conditions. Prominent examples of this are the large air intakes, which allow for the engine’s higher cooling requirements, as well as optimised aerodynamics thanks to a discreet spoiler located on the boot lid and a diffuser integrated into the rear apron.

The BMW Concept M5 owes its intense emotional impact to the direct relation of each detail with the technical requirements. At the same time, the concise styling of the high-performance car’s specific features creates the character of understatement that is typical of a BMW M automobile. The car’s superior appearance is underlined by the body colour Chrome Shadow. The discreet appearance of this body colour distinctively enhances the surface contours of the vehicle’s three-dimensionally modelled bodywork.

Front apron: precise airflow optimises cooling and aerodynamics.
Dynamic lines and large air intakes on the front end of the BMW Concept M5 are a clear implication of the vehicle’s exceptionally sport-oriented characteristics and its engine’s outstanding power. Like on the BMW 5 Series Sedan, the contour lines on the bonnet of the BMW Concept M5 flow towards the BMW kidney grille. The upright position of the widely stretched kidney grille also signalises dynamic forward movement. The dual round bi-xenon headlights, which are complemented at the top by an accentuating light, create the road-focused look that is also characteristic of BMW M automobiles.

The front apron, which was designed exclusively for the BMW Concept M5, contributes significantly towards both the car’s athletic appearance as well as its dynamic potential. It features three large air intakes, the dimensions of which are precisely oriented towards the high cooling requirement of the engine and its ancillary components. The centre opening corresponds to the width of the BMW kidney grille, the side contour lines move away from each other as they continue downwards. This echoes the V shape between the grille and the headlights, thus emphasising the width of the air intake.

The centre air intake protrudes further out than the two outer intakes and its contours are slightly curved. This three-dimensional design and the deeply embedded, black grille sporting a honeycomb design additionally underscore the vehicle’s powerful character. With concisely designed so-called flaps on the lower edges of the outer air intakes, the BMW Concept M5 boasts a racing-inspired feature for optimising airflow. These also emphasise a front apron design that is oriented towards the technical demands.

Side view: dynamically flowing lines, large M light alloy wheels.
With powerfully modelled wheel arches and dynamically flowing lines, the BMW Concept M5 also signalises uncompromising sportiness when viewed from the side. The long wheelbase, the set back passenger cabin and the black side window surrounds distinctively underscore the sedan’s stretched silhouette. This appearance is even more strongly emphasised through M-specific lowering of the vehicle.

The athletically flared wheel arches are complemented by M-specific light alloy wheels sporting a double-spoke design. Due to the vehicle’s wide track, they are flush with the car body. The 20-inch forged rims are fitted with tyre size 265/35 ZR20 at the front and 265/35 ZR20 at the back.

The M-typical gill element on the front side panel has been reinterpreted on the BMW Concept M5. The gill features a high-quality chrome surround and is horizontally divided by a chrome bar, which in addition to the side indicator also bears the M logo. The gill element is the starting point of the swage line, which during its further course across the door handles stretches back as far as the taillights.

The rear end: athletic styling, targeted airflow.
Superior sportiness and supreme road holding are effectively symbolised by the BMW Concept M5’s rear end design. The emphasis on vehicle width through dominating horizontal lines also featured on the BMW 5 Series Sedan is combined with an athletically shaped rear apron. The vehicle-specific rear apron, which forms a smooth transition to the wide wheel arches, ensures a particularly intensive accentuation of the motive force that is transferred to the rear wheels.

An integrated diffuser at the lower edge of the rear apron effectuates targeted airflow at the end of the undercarriage. As a typical M identifying feature, the BMW Concept M5 is fitted with a double-flow exhaust system, the double tailpipes of which are located far apart at each side of the diffuser and surrounded by aerodynamically shaped trims. Likewise, the discreet rear spoiler located on the boot lid serves to optimise the car’s aerodynamic characteristics. It ensures additional downforce above all at high speeds, thus contributing towards supreme handling at all times.

Awe-inspiring power, impressive efficiency: V8 engine with M TwinPower Turbo.
The BMW Concept M5 gives a starting signal for the venture into a new dimension of motor racing-oriented driving dynamics. The high-performance characteristics reflected in its design are realised through the M-specific drivetrain and suspension technology. Under the concept car’s bonnet is a new, high-revving V8 power unit featuring M TwinPower Turbo Technology. The new engine ensures a new dimension of the linear power development so characteristic of BMW M automobiles. Moreover, it impressively embodies the principle of technological advancement within the framework of the BMW Group’s Efficient Dynamics strategy. Compared to the fourth generation of the BMW M5’s power unit, the newly developed engine has a significantly increased output level, whilst at the same time lowering previous fuel consumption and emission levels by at least 25 percent. With the new eight-cylinder engine, big steps have been taken in the optimisation of drivetrain technology. A clear increase in power is accompanied by a likewise very remarkable increase in efficiency. This demonstrates the unparalleled effectiveness of this development strategy, which originates from motor racing, where in addition to the engine’s performance capabilities and reliability, as few fuel stops as possible result in a decisive advantage.

The BMW Concept M5’s engine power is transferred to the rear wheels by a seven-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic. This double-clutch gearbox, which was specifically tuned to the new V8 engine’s performance characteristics, fascinates with extremely fast gear shifting, precise gear selection and a high degree of effectiveness that additionally optimises the vehicle’s efficiency. The combination of the new engine with M Drivelogic is supplemented by an Auto Start Stop function. When halting at road junctions or in a tailback, the high-performance engine is temporarily switched off, thus avoiding unnecessary fuel consumption during idling. To continue the journey it is sufficient to release the footbrake and the V8 engine restarts without delay.

Model-specific suspension technology, typical M innovation: active M M Differential.
The suspension technology especially developed for each model is an equally crucial constituent part of the well-balanced overall concept of any M automobile. It is constructed using comprehensive know-how obtained from motor racing and then tuned within the framework of extensive tests carried out on the Northern Loop of the Nürburgring. Exclusive M suspension components include, inter alia, the wheel suspension systems, specific axle kinematics as well as exceptionally effective and weight-optimised brakes, which also remain stable even under high levels of strain. In addition, the BMW Concept M5 features innovative rear differential technology also developed by the BMW M GmbH.

The Active M Differential optimises vehicle stability using targeted variation of locking torque between the right and left drive wheels.

Active control of the multi-plate lock inside the rear differential is highly accurate and fast. This ensures that wheel spin is prevented even on slippery road surfaces and in the event of differing friction coefficients between the right and left wheels, in narrow bends or during sudden lane changes. The thereby optimised traction facilitates the highest level of vehicle stability and dynamics during acceleration out of bends even under the most demanding conditions.

BMW Concept M5 - the future of the high-performance sports car with four doors and five seats.
The BMW Concept M5 embodies the vision of a premium upper midrange sedan offering the highest degree of comfort for up to five occupants and allowing the driver to follow the ideal racing line both on the racetrack and in everyday road traffic. The BMW Concept M5 combines outstanding performance resulting from racing-inspired drive and suspension technology with typical M aesthetics that authentically express the vehicle’s dynamic potential. The concept car visualises the unmistakable characteristics of a BMW M model, which mature from a harmonious overall concept in which engine, suspension and design complement each other perfectly. The BMW M GmbH’s know-how gained from decades of experience and constantly further developed under racing conditions manifests itself in this combination. Innovative technology derived directly from motor racing provides each new BMW model with unmatched high-performing characteristics.

The BMW Concept M5 reflects a highly advanced stage in the development of a high-performance vehicle based on the new BMW 5 Series Sedan. The specific design features are directly aligned to the technical requirements, the suspension technology is precisely harmonised with the engine’s performance characteristics. With this precisely defined development strategy, the latest embodiment of the incomparable M feeling strives steadily towards series maturity.




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Old 04-04-2011, 11:15 AM
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Pretty "right" looking car overall. Not a huge fan of the black wheels but I know it's just a concept. Also the side vents keep getting dumber and dumber looking. Those one's look like they belong on a Buick to me. No manual is also fail IMO, but I realize I'm shouting at the rain on that one. It's a quartz watch and automatic transmission world and I just need to deal with it.
Old 04-04-2011, 11:31 AM
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at least there's still the 135 M with the 6MT. I see one of those in my future, somewhere.
Old 04-04-2011, 11:47 AM
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A bit understated from what I was expecting. Good looking car but it doesn't scream M5 like the last one did.


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