BMW: 5-Series News
06-15-2011, 03:33 PM
#1561
Senior Moderator
wait, it weighs over 4000 lbs???? 
06-15-2011, 09:18 PM
#1563
lol. The M5 going back to the E39 has always weighed around 2 tons IIRC. Not that you could tell while driving one.
06-15-2011, 09:44 PM
#1565
Suzuka Master
It does have a big engine plant, then a million sensors, the cars also bigger so more sheet metal.
I was just reading that the lamborghini aventador weighs like 3600 pounds and that thing has carbon fiber around it and other weight saving techniques.
Safety equipment has a hefty weight these days.
I was just reading that the lamborghini aventador weighs like 3600 pounds and that thing has carbon fiber around it and other weight saving techniques.
Safety equipment has a hefty weight these days.
06-17-2011, 12:33 AM
#1567
אני עומד עם ישראל
I know I want that. Really bad.
06-21-2011, 09:59 PM
#1569
Senior Moderator
2012 M5 News: Blue Brakes Standard. Germany Pricing at 102,700 EUR
BMW has released the German price list for the new M5 earlier today.
The new 2012 BMW M5 will be priced at EUR 102,700 in Germany. For comparison, the last price for the E60 M5 (Sep 2010) was EUR 94,700 which means a price increase of roughly 8.5%.
Earlier this week, BMW announced the price for the UK at £73,040 for UK buyers. The last UK price for the E60 M5 was £67,300 which also tranlsates to a price increase of 8.5%.
Applying the same increase of 8.5% to the last US price (2010 M5) of $85,700, the new BMW M5 would be priced at $93,000 for the US. (* It's important to note however that the U.S. market doesn't just follow other markets and has its own pricing. We calculated the US price just for theoretic purposes.)
The German price list also gives away some more details. To answer a common question -- the M5's metallic blue brake calipers are standard equipment. In other word, you'll always get the blue brake calipers, regardless of which exterior color you choose.
All performance features, such as the Active M Differential, are standard. There's no word on a manual transmission as it won't be available in Germany. 19" M wheels (style 345M) will be standard, optional 20" wheels (style 343M) are priced at EUR 2,750. The standard 19" wheels are ferric grey while the 20" wheels are forged.
Frozen Gray, Frozen Silver are EUR 3,600 options, Brilliant White is EUR 3,300 and other Individual colors (see full list here) are available at EUR 2,300.
Stay tuned for a lot more F10 M5 photos and information from the first public unveiling of the new M5 during the M Festival's "M Night" this Thursday.
BMW has released the German price list for the new M5 earlier today.
The new 2012 BMW M5 will be priced at EUR 102,700 in Germany. For comparison, the last price for the E60 M5 (Sep 2010) was EUR 94,700 which means a price increase of roughly 8.5%.
Earlier this week, BMW announced the price for the UK at £73,040 for UK buyers. The last UK price for the E60 M5 was £67,300 which also tranlsates to a price increase of 8.5%.
Applying the same increase of 8.5% to the last US price (2010 M5) of $85,700, the new BMW M5 would be priced at $93,000 for the US. (* It's important to note however that the U.S. market doesn't just follow other markets and has its own pricing. We calculated the US price just for theoretic purposes.)
The German price list also gives away some more details. To answer a common question -- the M5's metallic blue brake calipers are standard equipment. In other word, you'll always get the blue brake calipers, regardless of which exterior color you choose.
All performance features, such as the Active M Differential, are standard. There's no word on a manual transmission as it won't be available in Germany. 19" M wheels (style 345M) will be standard, optional 20" wheels (style 343M) are priced at EUR 2,750. The standard 19" wheels are ferric grey while the 20" wheels are forged.
Frozen Gray, Frozen Silver are EUR 3,600 options, Brilliant White is EUR 3,300 and other Individual colors (see full list here) are available at EUR 2,300.
Stay tuned for a lot more F10 M5 photos and information from the first public unveiling of the new M5 during the M Festival's "M Night" this Thursday.
06-24-2011, 01:37 AM
#1570
Suzuka Master
So the BMW does actually have more power than the CTS-V??
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...orsepower.html
So there's been some confusion with the 2012 BMW M5 and its horsepower rating. Some people are reporting 553 horsepower, others 560. 560 is bigger and puts the M5 above the CTS-V in the horsepower war. The genesis of the confusion stems from two things: 1) The first information released was leaked and incomplete. 2) The information released was, primarily, in European units of measure. This means kW and DIN horsepower instead of the way we like it. The two numbers in question were 553 (or 552 -- more on this later) or 560.
560 was the number released by the press kit alongside the 412 kW rating. 412 kW maths itself out to be 552.5 horsepower -- round how you will. Fine, we blame DIN. But then the US press kit came out touting-- wait for it -- 560 horsepower and 412 kW. Sigh.
So what gives? Our engineering guru Jay Kav splains it after the jump.
Horsepower is a devilish thing since not all horsepower is measured using the same yardstick. Ferrari uses Cavallero (CV); the Germans like DIN; the Japanese have in the past used a JIS standard. Yeesh.
We at InsideLine ignore such foreign horsepower ratings. To come up with a horsepower number that is equivalent to SAE horsepower, we have to dig a little deeper.
Instead of using whatever is supplied, we look for the power as reported in metric units known as kilowatts (kW). Kilowatts are the standard in the world of power measurement, but nobody in Americaland thinks in kilowatts. So we convert kW to SAE-sized horsepower.
Do this to the 2012 BMW M5’s rated power – 412 kW – and you get 553 hp. BMW claims 560 hp, even in US guise. So we called BMW to clarify. It turns out that the new M5 will, indeed, produce 560 hp (SAE) and not 553. It’s a similar situation with the company’s X5 M engine, which is rated at 555 hp worldwide, kilowatt rating --408-- be damned.
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560 was the number released by the press kit alongside the 412 kW rating. 412 kW maths itself out to be 552.5 horsepower -- round how you will. Fine, we blame DIN. But then the US press kit came out touting-- wait for it -- 560 horsepower and 412 kW. Sigh.
So what gives? Our engineering guru Jay Kav splains it after the jump.
Horsepower is a devilish thing since not all horsepower is measured using the same yardstick. Ferrari uses Cavallero (CV); the Germans like DIN; the Japanese have in the past used a JIS standard. Yeesh.
We at InsideLine ignore such foreign horsepower ratings. To come up with a horsepower number that is equivalent to SAE horsepower, we have to dig a little deeper.
Instead of using whatever is supplied, we look for the power as reported in metric units known as kilowatts (kW). Kilowatts are the standard in the world of power measurement, but nobody in Americaland thinks in kilowatts. So we convert kW to SAE-sized horsepower.
Do this to the 2012 BMW M5’s rated power – 412 kW – and you get 553 hp. BMW claims 560 hp, even in US guise. So we called BMW to clarify. It turns out that the new M5 will, indeed, produce 560 hp (SAE) and not 553. It’s a similar situation with the company’s X5 M engine, which is rated at 555 hp worldwide, kilowatt rating --408-- be damned.
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06-24-2011, 08:21 AM
#1571
My first Avatar....
06-24-2011, 02:08 PM
#1573
Senior Moderator
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06-24-2011, 04:02 PM
#1575
Suzuka Master
06-24-2011, 06:05 PM
#1576
Moderator
Wow...I need to make WAY more money.
06-24-2011, 06:45 PM
#1577
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
OMG...... that's so awesome......
06-25-2011, 02:13 PM
#1578
Senior Moderator
Was going to make a new thread on this but I dont think this is an official time..
F10 M5 Reported to Lap Nurburgring in 7:55
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
F10 M5 Reported to Lap Nurburgring in 7:55
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
06-26-2011, 03:02 AM
#1580
Faster than the CTS-V, even 
Still going to be ~$20k more?
Still going to be ~$20k more?
06-26-2011, 04:29 PM
#1583
Suzuka Master
lap times around the nurburgring dont actually tell that much especially with a difference of about 5 seconds on a 12 mile course. So many variables can take in place that probably any car can get times +/- 3-5 seconds.
Anyway laptimes shouldnt have a definite victory of which car is better either way because you arent a pro driver thats racing against other pro drivers, in the end its what feels best to drive.
Now lets hope that this M5 will have much better steering than the current F10 5 series.
Which a lot of reviews I read complained about it being numb
Anyway laptimes shouldnt have a definite victory of which car is better either way because you arent a pro driver thats racing against other pro drivers, in the end its what feels best to drive.
Now lets hope that this M5 will have much better steering than the current F10 5 series.
Which a lot of reviews I read complained about it being numb
06-26-2011, 06:56 PM
#1585
Senior Moderator
its all the GTR's fault...
damn that boat Panamera turbo HUSTLES...
damn that boat Panamera turbo HUSTLES...
06-26-2011, 07:35 PM
#1586
Suzuka Master
yea it did really all start with the gtr
06-26-2011, 10:24 PM
#1587
Moderator
iTrader: (3)
The NSX-R was made in year 0! That must be what Jesus drives.
06-27-2011, 02:12 AM
#1588
Magazine racing isn't the ultimate measuring stick, but it's a start. The GT-R is at the upper echelon when it comes to performance... it shows on basically every track or magazine comparo and same goes for the 'Ring.
I love this new M5 but if they don't lower the price... I dunno. I'm curious to see what a $15k difference means between the CTS-V and the M5.
Prestige and some comfort features, I guess. The Panamera Turbo starts off at $136k I'd definitely take the new M5 over it in any case.
I love this new M5 but if they don't lower the price... I dunno. I'm curious to see what a $15k difference means between the CTS-V and the M5.
Prestige and some comfort features, I guess. The Panamera Turbo starts off at $136k
I'd definitely take the new M5 over it in any case.
08-18-2011, 02:10 AM
#1589
BMW confirms diesel engine variant for the M5
Autoblog
As part of the buildup to this weekend's Pebble Beach Concours weekend, Autoblog senior editor Damon Lavrinc is in Monterey with BMW, where he has been able to confirm that the 5 Series will receive a diesel model tuned by the automaker's M performance division.
Interestingly, the much-rumored high-performance model will probably not be badged as an M5 variant. Instead, it will likely adopt a nomenclature similar to that of the 1 Series M Coupe. Further, because of the diesel's expected high torque output, the M-tuned diesel 5 Series is likely to be offered exclusively with all-wheel drive. Following traditional BMW naming guidelines, that means the vehicle is likely to get an ungainly moniker like BMW 550d xDrive M or something similar (TheDetroitBureau.com suggests 550dM or 550dXM as other possibilities).
The 3.0-liter tri-turbo's torque output is likely to be prodigious – perhaps in the neighborhood of 650 pound-feet (the conventional gas M5 makes 500 lb-ft), a figure more commonly associated with heavy duty pickups. Even if you've managed to wrap your gray matter around that torque surplus, you're probably still pondering the idea of a triple-turbo engine. According to TheDetroitBureau.com, the new powerplant will be based on the current 3.0-liter diesel we've come to know and love, albeit significantly modified, including a unique cylinder head. The engine will make use of a single, small turbo to help avoid lag at launch, coupled with a pair of larger twin-scroll units to augment power at speed. We hear that peak ponies will be down from the M5's 560-horsepower output, though it is still likely to stay about 500.
Predictably, the new engine is also expected to find its way into high-performance versions of BMW's X5 and X6 crossovers, both of which already offer physics-defying M models of their own.
As part of the buildup to this weekend's Pebble Beach Concours weekend, Autoblog senior editor Damon Lavrinc is in Monterey with BMW, where he has been able to confirm that the 5 Series will receive a diesel model tuned by the automaker's M performance division.
Interestingly, the much-rumored high-performance model will probably not be badged as an M5 variant. Instead, it will likely adopt a nomenclature similar to that of the 1 Series M Coupe. Further, because of the diesel's expected high torque output, the M-tuned diesel 5 Series is likely to be offered exclusively with all-wheel drive. Following traditional BMW naming guidelines, that means the vehicle is likely to get an ungainly moniker like BMW 550d xDrive M or something similar (TheDetroitBureau.com suggests 550dM or 550dXM as other possibilities).
The 3.0-liter tri-turbo's torque output is likely to be prodigious – perhaps in the neighborhood of 650 pound-feet (the conventional gas M5 makes 500 lb-ft), a figure more commonly associated with heavy duty pickups. Even if you've managed to wrap your gray matter around that torque surplus, you're probably still pondering the idea of a triple-turbo engine. According to TheDetroitBureau.com, the new powerplant will be based on the current 3.0-liter diesel we've come to know and love, albeit significantly modified, including a unique cylinder head. The engine will make use of a single, small turbo to help avoid lag at launch, coupled with a pair of larger twin-scroll units to augment power at speed. We hear that peak ponies will be down from the M5's 560-horsepower output, though it is still likely to stay about 500.
Predictably, the new engine is also expected to find its way into high-performance versions of BMW's X5 and X6 crossovers, both of which already offer physics-defying M models of their own.
08-18-2011, 02:35 AM
#1591
I don't think it'll be an M5. M5d sounds very strange. Then again, BMW's recent naming conventions haven't exactly been normal sounding.
$5 says it'll be called something like M5 xDrive 60is.
$5 says it'll be called something like M5 xDrive 60is.
08-18-2011, 02:45 AM
#1592
They say smth like "550 dXM..."
Egmcartech
2012 BMW M5
Last week, a rumor was floating around the new F10 BMW M5 saying that diesel and all-wheel drive variants could be in the works. The rumor was sourced after an official document mentioned a model designated as the “M550dX.” After breaking down the structure and meaning of the nomenclature of the designated model, we pondered the idea that the M5 variants may or may not be a break in tradition. However, the latest news for the M5 says that BMW and its M-Division has supposedly confirmed that they will in fact produce a diesel variant as well as an all-wheel drive model. Sigh…
The supposed diesel M5 engine will be an unusually triple-turbocharged setup using BMW’s 3.0L straight-six diesel. It will be designated as the BMW 550dM or 550dXM and will be the first oil burners to ever receive an official M-badge from the factory. A super small turbo will be used to build boost for launching while two larger twin-scroll turbos will supplement for the rest of the engine band. The diesel for the 550dM will receive a revised cylinder head and will use BMW’s current list of engine technologies, including direct injection and BMW’s Valvetronic system.
In terms of power, the sources said that the 550dM will deliver slightly fewer horses than the regular gasoline V8 M5, which is rated at 560hp and rather expected from a diesel. Also expected from a diesel is monumental torque, which the sources say could push 650 lb-ft of torques.
Egmcartech
2012 BMW M5
Last week, a rumor was floating around the new F10 BMW M5 saying that diesel and all-wheel drive variants could be in the works. The rumor was sourced after an official document mentioned a model designated as the “M550dX.” After breaking down the structure and meaning of the nomenclature of the designated model, we pondered the idea that the M5 variants may or may not be a break in tradition. However, the latest news for the M5 says that BMW and its M-Division has supposedly confirmed that they will in fact produce a diesel variant as well as an all-wheel drive model. Sigh…
The supposed diesel M5 engine will be an unusually triple-turbocharged setup using BMW’s 3.0L straight-six diesel. It will be designated as the BMW 550dM or 550dXM and will be the first oil burners to ever receive an official M-badge from the factory. A super small turbo will be used to build boost for launching while two larger twin-scroll turbos will supplement for the rest of the engine band. The diesel for the 550dM will receive a revised cylinder head and will use BMW’s current list of engine technologies, including direct injection and BMW’s Valvetronic system.
In terms of power, the sources said that the 550dM will deliver slightly fewer horses than the regular gasoline V8 M5, which is rated at 560hp and rather expected from a diesel. Also expected from a diesel is monumental torque, which the sources say could push 650 lb-ft of torques.
08-28-2011, 03:41 PM
#1598
Moderator
^^That thing sounds MEAN!
09-30-2011, 10:55 AM
#1599
Race Director
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...sedan-to-us-/1
BMW, which only a few years ago didn't seem much interested in hybrids, is about to take its third swipe at them. It's introducing a hybrid based off its popular 5 Series -- the ActiveHybrid 5.
Based on the BMW 535i Sedan, the new hybrid will combine BMW's 3-liter TwinPower Turbo inline six-cylinder engine with an electric drive system and an eight-speed automatic transmission. Interesting, considering hybrids usually use a continuously variable transmission.
All told, the powertrain will put out 335 horsepower, will be capable of being driven on electric power alone up to 37 miles per hour and accelerates from zero to 60 mph in 5.7 seconds. The BMW ActiveHybrid 5 will arrive in US showrooms in March 2012.
BMW already developed hybrid versions of its 6 Series, which is no longer for sale, and its 7 Series, which still is for sale.
Based on the BMW 535i Sedan, the new hybrid will combine BMW's 3-liter TwinPower Turbo inline six-cylinder engine with an electric drive system and an eight-speed automatic transmission. Interesting, considering hybrids usually use a continuously variable transmission.
All told, the powertrain will put out 335 horsepower, will be capable of being driven on electric power alone up to 37 miles per hour and accelerates from zero to 60 mph in 5.7 seconds. The BMW ActiveHybrid 5 will arrive in US showrooms in March 2012.
BMW already developed hybrid versions of its 6 Series, which is no longer for sale, and its 7 Series, which still is for sale.
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