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i always thought M3(4) convertible with a hardtop has better lines than the regular coupe. since E46 M3. Can't wait for what F8X m4 looks like with a hardtop.
i always thought M3(4) convertible with a hardtop has better lines than the regular coupe. since E46 M3. Can't wait for what F8X m4 looks like with a hardtop.
I agree but the E93 looked strange with the hard top...just looked like it didn't quite belong there. This new one looks great but I can't even imagine what the repair bill would be if something on this top broke.
Would love to own this car...and sell it immediately before the warranty expires.
I agree but the E93 looked strange with the hard top...just looked like it didn't quite belong there. This new one looks great but I can't even imagine what the repair bill would be if something on this top broke.
Would love to own this car...and sell it immediately before the warranty expires.
I just can't bring myself to lease something...I hate renting and that's essentially what leasing is.
that is the whole point.
Why buying the car and take the depreciation hit when you know you are not going to keep it for long.
i have many friends who had your mentality and eventually half of them switch to leasing cars because it just makes more sense if you don't keep the car for long anyways.
One of the most used reasons is: at least i own something at the end.
My reply is: You don't own shit until it is paid off and the moment it is paid off that is when all the problems appear and you will wanna sell it or something better will be out and you will still sell it. So in reality you will always have car payments just like lease but much higher and you take the depreciation and sometimes upside down too.
Why buying the car and take the depreciation hit when you know you are not going to keep it for long.
i have many friends who had your mentality and eventually half of them switch to leasing cars because it just makes more sense if you don't keep the car for long anyways.
One of the most used reasons is: at least i own something at the end.
My reply is: You don't own shit until it is paid off and the moment it is paid off that is when all the problems appear and you will wanna sell it or something better will be out and you will still sell it. So in reality you will always have car payments just like lease but much higher and you take the depreciation and sometimes upside down too.
You can always buy out the lease at the end as well. There's more to it than that, but yeah.
I'm following this thread because unless something drastically changes I'd really like my next car to be a 428i (12-18 months from now anyway). So far I've only owned Toyota/Honda/Acura, never BMW. So the reputation is they are very expensive to maintain once the warranty is out. I normally like to own my cars 8-10 years, but for Honda/Acura that is a near worry-free proposition. So related to the lease discussion, are current BMW's still living up to their reputation in terms of maintenance/repairs after 4 years?
I'm following this thread because unless something drastically changes I'd really like my next car to be a 428i (12-18 months from now anyway). So far I've only owned Toyota/Honda/Acura, never BMW. So the reputation is they are very expensive to maintain once the warranty is out. I normally like to own my cars 8-10 years, but for Honda/Acura that is a near worry-free proposition. So related to the lease discussion, are current BMW's still living up to their reputation in terms of maintenance/repairs after 4 years?
Depends on the model, but in general the answer to your question is "Yes." That being said, my 335i has 75k+ miles and had very few issues. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I had nearly as many issues with my 3G TL as I've had with the 335i at the same mileage.
I'm following this thread because unless something drastically changes I'd really like my next car to be a 428i (12-18 months from now anyway). So far I've only owned Toyota/Honda/Acura, never BMW. So the reputation is they are very expensive to maintain once the warranty is out. I normally like to own my cars 8-10 years, but for Honda/Acura that is a near worry-free proposition. So related to the lease discussion, are current BMW's still living up to their reputation in terms of maintenance/repairs after 4 years?
There is no such thing called Worry free proposition. I have had Japanese cars break down on me on a monthly basis.
But whatever you do, you want to buy some kind of extended warranty if you want to keep it for 8-10 years.
The main difference between Japanese and German cars after the warranty is out is the COST of the repair, not the #s of the repairs.
With BMW the problem wasn't so much with reliability as it was sensitivity to maintenance. With Honda/Toyota, you do the usual run of oil changes, occasionally change up some of the other fluids, replace some brakes/tires and that's about it. With BMW, you have to do all of the above plus various cooling components, bushings, suspension components, steering components, drive components, sensors, etc. If you don't do this, thinking it's far too expensive and you'll just wait longer, you should see the bill when something actually fails and breaks. My BMW never broke down or left me stranded but it sure was a high maintenance car.
But in reality, you only have to start doing those things at 80-110k miles which is when shit starts to fail or reach the end of it's "safe and useful life". Before then, they work just fine but when you hit that magic mileage is when you'll be spending a ton of money reworking things. After that, it's good to go until 180-210k miles when you have to do it all over again.
^ that makes sense. I think a lot of cars are that way these days, but I'm sensing the list (and cost) of things for a BMW are much higher than for other cars. Sounds like the kind car you want to own for 4 years or 10-12 years, but not 5-6.
I'm also guessing that you can't do a lot of that maintenance yourself either....
^ that makes sense. I think a lot of cars are that way these days, but I'm sensing the list (and cost) of things for a BMW are much higher than for other cars. Sounds like the kind car you want to own for 4 years or 10-12 years, but not 5-6.
I'm also guessing that you can't do a lot of that maintenance yourself either....
for what it's worth, BMW comes with 4 years 50,000 free maintenance, that covers a lot of things from windshield wiper to brake pads/rotors. I think the only item that is not covered is the tires. which i would recommend you to get rid of run flat the moment you get your car. It does not matter how people say how much the new runflats have improved. they suck!!!!!!!!
So at least you will be covered for half of your expected ownership of the car.
^ that makes sense. I think a lot of cars are that way these days, but I'm sensing the list (and cost) of things for a BMW are much higher than for other cars. Sounds like the kind car you want to own for 4 years or 10-12 years, but not 5-6.
I'm also guessing that you can't do a lot of that maintenance yourself either....
You put 80k miles on a car in 4 years??? If that's the case I'd look into something that costs less and depreciates less than a BMW.
Your assessment is right on though, selling it before the work comes due is perfect or buy one that has been documented to be well maintained.
BMW’s all-new M4 has just gone on sale but we could already be looking at one of the car’s first spinoffs. For those still unfamiliar with the M4, the car is the direct replacement for the M3 Coupe. And just like previous M3s, which featured more hardcore variants like the legendary CSL and more recent GTS, we expect the latest M4 to feature a few hardcore variants of its own.
The prototype you see here has obvious markings of the M4 safety car currently used in MotoGP, however, our sources suggest this is just a decoy to fool onlookers. Part of the reason is that this prototype is testing new aerodynamic modifications never before seen on the M4 safety car.
Elements unique to this prototype include the large rear wing, modified front bumper and uprated brake package. It also appears the car has a more aggressive suspension tune than the stock M4 and even that of the current M4 safety car.
The previous M3 GTS, which came with slightly more power than the stock M3 Coupe on which it was based, also featured a roll cage like the one on this prototype as well as the racing bucket seats, uprated brakes and suspension, and additional aero components. The car also was extremely popular, selling out in less than three months despite costing about three times as much as the M3, so it’s understandable BMW would want to launch a successor.
Then again, we could simply be looking at next year’s MotoGP safety car in the works.
Reports of dudes running 12 flat in the 1/4 with these things. Sheesh!
Had a lot of seat time in these now and just amazing how well balanced they are. A Stock M4 feels like a modded E92 M3 to me in terms of handling. Pretty wild.
Reports of dudes running 12 flat in the 1/4 with these things. Sheesh!
Had a lot of seat time in these now and just amazing how well balanced they are. A Stock M4 feels like a modded E92 M3 to me in terms of handling. Pretty wild.
yah apparently they all have over 400hp to the wheel.
Reports of dudes running 12 flat in the 1/4 with these things. Sheesh!
Had a lot of seat time in these now and just amazing how well balanced they are. A Stock M4 feels like a modded E92 M3 to me in terms of handling. Pretty wild.
After losing out to Audi last year, BMW is back in the winner’s circle of the popular touring car series DTM. Both the 2014 Drivers’ and Constructors’ titles went to the Munich-based firm, thanks to top driver Marco Wittmann and BMW Team RMG. Following the conclusion of the final race at the Hockenheimring in Germany over the weekend, BMW now lays claim to five wins, 11 podiums, four pole positions and four fastest laps achieved during the 10 races of the 2014 DTM season.
To mark the occasion, BMW rolled out a special M4 modeled after the M4 DTM race car that Wittmann drove to multiple victories. The special edition, called the M4 DTM Champion Edition, will be offered exclusively in Europe and with one color only: Alpine White. This will be contrasted, however, with a matte black hood and trunklid and colored stripes like those on Wittmann’s race car.
The M4 DTM Champion Edition is also fitted with 19-inch light-alloy wheels, a black front splitter, a black side skirt blade, carbon front flaps, carbon mirror caps, a rear spoiler and a carbon diffuser insert. The vehicle also sports an orange surround for the kidney grille, once again lifted from the race car, as well as Wittmann’s number 23 on the doors and the German flag along with “WIT” and “DTM Champion 2014” lettering on the rear side windows.
Inside, door sill plates bear Marco Wittmann’s autograph, while signed carbon interior trim strips feature “DTM Champion 2014” lettering and the car’s serial number.
Only 23 examples of the M4 DTM Champion Edition will be built.
After revealing the new M4 special edition, BMW Motorsport boss Jens Marquardt had more surprises for Wittmann. Marquardt has confirmed that Wittmann will remain one of its drivers for following DTM seasons and also has its full permission to complete a Formula One test for Toro Rosso, a childhood dream for the 24-year-old German.
“Coming into the opening race of the season here in Hockenheim, I never believed I would be standing here in the same place as the DTM champion,” Wittmann said at the post season celebration. “And then to have my contract as a BMW works driver renewed and receive a Formula One test—that is a dream come true for me.
DTM champion Marco Wittmann’s (DE) superlative season drew to an end with yet more highlights in Hockenheim (DE). BMW Motorsport Director Jens Marquardt announced at the season finale that Wittmann will remain part of the BMW family for next season and beyond. And there were another couple of surprises in store for Wittmann in the evening after the race: BMW M GmbH launched the BMW M4 DTM Champion Edition in his honour. BMW Motorsport is also giving Wittmann the opportunity to achieve a childhood dream and complete a Formula One test for the Scuderia Toro Rosso team.
“Marco Wittmann has an extraordinary season behind him, in which he has given BMW Motorsport an awful lot of pleasure,” said Marquardt. “It is now our turn to reward him for his efforts. The contract renewal for the coming season is a logical step for us, as he has consistently impressed us in the three years he has been working with us within the DTM – both on and off the track. For this reason, BMW M GmbH has come up with something very special. I am delighted that we can also make his childhood dream come true with the Formula One test. Thanks to the relationship we enjoy with our premium partner Red Bull, it was possible for us to organise a test drive in the Toro Rosso. We are excited to see how he fares in this car – and are then looking forward to more top-class performances from Marco in the BMW M4 DTM.”
Dr. Friedrich Nitschke, Chairman of the Board of Management of BMW M GmbH, said: “The production version of the BMW M4 Coupé is the new centrepiece in our range. We could obviously not have hoped for anything better than for Marco Wittmann to win the BMW M4 DTM’s very first race and to end the season as the champion in the drivers’ and team standings. You cannot get more emphatic proof of the performance of our cars. Therefore, it is a pleasure for us to recognise Marco Wittmann’s performances by launching a BMW M4 DTM Champion Edition in the colours of his Ice-Watch BMW M4 DTM. The Champion Edition will be built in a limited run of 23 units, reflecting Wittmann’s car number – a very special memento of a very special season.”
“I am overwhelmed,” said Wittmann, given the wealth of surprises awaiting him after the season finale. “The entire season has been incredible. After all, coming into the opening race of the season here in Hockenheim, I never believed I would be standing here in the same place as the DTM champion. And then to have my contract as a BMW works driver renewed and receive a Formula One test – that is a dream come true for me. I cannot find the words to express how proud and happy I am to be part of the BMW family. The BMW M4 DTM Champion Edition in my colours is the icing on the cake at the end of this outstanding year. The car looks fantastic. I can hardly wait to take it out for a drive. And the test in the Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 car will definitely be an amazing experience.”
In a tribute to the Ice-Watch BMW M4 DTM, the Champion Edition will be offered exclusively in Alpine White. The other signature features of the special-edition model, which will be refined exclusively at the BMW Individual Manufactory in Garching (near Munich, Germany), will likewise display close links with the victorious BMW M4 DTM. The matt-black bonnet and boot lid with the eye-catching stripe design make an excellent visual complement to the standard CFRP roof, as does the black character line along the car’s flanks.
Added to the mix are an M kidney grille with orange surround, an M logo rearwards of the front wheel arches, the number 23 on the doors and the flag along with “WIT” and “DTM Champion 2014” lettering on the rear side windows. The BMW M4 DTM Champion Edition is also fitted with 19-inch light-alloy wheels, a black front splitter, a black side skirt blade, carbon front flaps, carbon mirror caps, a rear spoiler and a carbon diffuser insert from the M Performance Parts range.
The Champion Edition underlines its exclusivity once again when you step inside. The door sill plates bear Marco Wittmann’s autograph, while carbon interior trim strips – likewise signed by the 24-year-old from Fürth, Germany – feature “DTM Champion 2014” lettering and the car’s serial number.
Weird...could not post the quoted information...anyhow, here it is again...
BMW’s all-new M4 has just gone on sale but we could already be looking at one of the car’s first spinoffs. For those still unfamiliar with the M4, the car is the direct replacement for the M3 Coupe. And just like previous M3s, which featured more hardcore variants like the legendary CSL and more recent GTS, we expect the latest M4 to feature a few hardcore variants of its own.
The prototype you see here has obvious markings of the M4 safety car currently used in MotoGP, however, our sources suggest this is just a decoy to fool onlookers. Part of the reason is that this prototype is testing new aerodynamic modifications never before seen on the M4 safety car.
Elements unique to this prototype include the large rear wing, modified front bumper and uprated brake package. It also appears the car has a more aggressive suspension tune than the stock M4 and even that of the current M4 safety car. It looks very fast in this video from YouTube user cvdzijden (via World Car Fans).
My father traded his Z06 in on an F83 the other day. Mineral Gray/Sakhir Orange full leather interior. All options minus carbon ceramic brakes (holy $$). I would've done Sonoma Beige instead of Sakhir Orange, but hey, not my car.
^^^^I'm very jealous. That's almost exactly how I would option the same car...if I had any money.
Says the person with a 335i vert.
Originally Posted by Yumcha
Congrats to your Dad, cjTL!
He's very excited! I'm anxious to take it for a spin.
Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
I love the color combo.
I never noticed the satellite radio receiver was placed on the middle top of the trunk.
Ah yes, it's the 'vert.
Yeah that's a little quirky, one of the sacrifices of the vert.
Originally Posted by oonowindoo
what was the reason from Z06 -> M4?
He had his fun with the Z (had the thing since fall of 2005), just was time for a new toy. Recently retired to Hilton Head, SC...wanted a droptop. The Z06 was a beast but it was crude as hell and had, by today's standards, a pretty spartan interior.
09-03-2014, 10:54 AM
M4 DTM Champion Edition
GTS Version?
