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The M4 is apparently Santa's new ride...
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MotoGP M4 Safety Car revealed: https://acurazine.com/forums/motorsp.../#post15334627
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The 2015 DTM race cars revealed: https://acurazine.com/forums/motorsp...%2A%2A-897514/
#527
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Rumor says there will be a M3/4 CSL/GTS with 8% increase in power and 220 lbs in weight reduction.
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Officially, the representatives of BMW AG tell us that they’ve never heard of the 2016 BMW M4 GTS. This might even be true, since we hear that the M branch is considering changing the badge from “GTS,” an acronym also used by AMG and Porsche. Instead we’re likely to see the return of the “CSL” moniker, a model name created in the early 1970s for the legendary BMW 3.0 CSL “Batmobile” and which briefly returned for a special-edition 2003 BMW M3.
“CSL” stands for coupe sport lightweight, which is a pretty accurate description of this 2015 BMW M4 outfitted for MotoGP duty. After all, the M Division intends to take away up to 220 pounds of weight for next year’s high-performance M4. The means to this end include a hood, doors, and a trunklid made of aluminum, manually adjustable carbon-fiber front seats (and no more rear seat), and a less comprehensive specification for comfort features. The rollcage will be an optional extra, but all the exterior aero addenda featured on the MotoGP pace car is likely to be carried over. These are part of the M Performance aero kit, boasting a front splitter and fender blades, rocker-sill extensions, slippery outside mirrors, a smoother underbody cover, a rear aero diffuser, and a size-XXL tail rudder.
The water-injection technology is expected to add about 22 pounds to the car thanks to the requisite plumbing and a separate water tank. In a perfect world, the tank that collects condensation from the air-conditioning unit would be used as a source of water, but packaging complications mean that this approach probably won’t be used until the appearance of the refreshed 2018 BMW M4. Meanwhile, the MotoGP car’s water tank is located in the trunk.
Water injection works its miracle in the M4’s twin-turbo engine simply by cooling combustion temperature, which in turn improves the engine’s ability to resist pre-ignition, or “knock.” The result is a claimed improvement of horsepower and torque by up to 8 percent, plus a reduction in nitrogen-oxide air emissions.
Officially, the representatives of BMW AG tell us that they’ve never heard of the 2016 BMW M4 GTS. This might even be true, since we hear that the M branch is considering changing the badge from “GTS,” an acronym also used by AMG and Porsche. Instead we’re likely to see the return of the “CSL” moniker, a model name created in the early 1970s for the legendary BMW 3.0 CSL “Batmobile” and which briefly returned for a special-edition 2003 BMW M3.
“CSL” stands for coupe sport lightweight, which is a pretty accurate description of this 2015 BMW M4 outfitted for MotoGP duty. After all, the M Division intends to take away up to 220 pounds of weight for next year’s high-performance M4. The means to this end include a hood, doors, and a trunklid made of aluminum, manually adjustable carbon-fiber front seats (and no more rear seat), and a less comprehensive specification for comfort features. The rollcage will be an optional extra, but all the exterior aero addenda featured on the MotoGP pace car is likely to be carried over. These are part of the M Performance aero kit, boasting a front splitter and fender blades, rocker-sill extensions, slippery outside mirrors, a smoother underbody cover, a rear aero diffuser, and a size-XXL tail rudder.
The water-injection technology is expected to add about 22 pounds to the car thanks to the requisite plumbing and a separate water tank. In a perfect world, the tank that collects condensation from the air-conditioning unit would be used as a source of water, but packaging complications mean that this approach probably won’t be used until the appearance of the refreshed 2018 BMW M4. Meanwhile, the MotoGP car’s water tank is located in the trunk.
Water injection works its miracle in the M4’s twin-turbo engine simply by cooling combustion temperature, which in turn improves the engine’s ability to resist pre-ignition, or “knock.” The result is a claimed improvement of horsepower and torque by up to 8 percent, plus a reduction in nitrogen-oxide air emissions.
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^ Still not faster than an RLX with upgraded tires.
#529
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Not if BMW changes the M4 CSL to FWD with all season run flats.
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#533
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see. told you no red needed in here.
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#535
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Spotted an X4 on the highway not a fan. Pretty much just a mini-X6.
#536
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X4, like the X6, is an abomination on wheels. BMW should be ashamed to have made that ugly-car.
But, why are you muddying up this thread with the X4? The 4-Series is gorgeous.
And slower than the RLX with upgraded tires.
But, why are you muddying up this thread with the X4? The 4-Series is gorgeous.
And slower than the RLX with upgraded tires.
#537
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I actually do not mind X6 so much. it is acceptable to me.
but X4 on the other hand looks cheap inside and out and then when you look at the price, it makes you wonder who the fuck will buy it...and i turned around and saw one driving by...
but X4 on the other hand looks cheap inside and out and then when you look at the price, it makes you wonder who the fuck will buy it...and i turned around and saw one driving by...
#541
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I just drove the 2015 428 loaner (Sportline).
It was so good and different that i am trying to get quotes for 435 right now.
But the price i am getting is kinda high...... mid to high 700 to lease for a $60k car.
It was so good and different that i am trying to get quotes for 435 right now.
But the price i am getting is kinda high...... mid to high 700 to lease for a $60k car.
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I had a 428GC loaner a couple weeks ago, it wasn't a bad car at all. It sparked my interest so I got online and built a 435GC, put everything I wanted in it and got it up around $52K (I think that's what it was). Given the bland interior though, I could never justify spending that much for one.
CORRECTION: $56,700
CORRECTION: $56,700
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which is why I spent $20K more and got a 650!
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I had a 428GC loaner a couple weeks ago, it wasn't a bad car at all. It sparked my interest so I got online and built a 435GC, put everything I wanted in it and got it up around $52K (I think that's what it was). Given the bland interior though, I could never justify spending that much for one.
CORRECTION: $56,700
CORRECTION: $56,700
#547
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The 435 GC is my favorite car right now.
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#549
I'm the Firestarter
One problem with the 435 GC: every one I see around here, including M-Sport ones, have jacked up 4x4-ish suspension. Like a 1-inch gap between the wheel and the wheel, it kind of ruins the look. All the ones sold here are X-Drive, and I find it hard to believe that even M-Sport X-Drive suspension looks that high. I'd like to compare with a RWD M-Sport but no dealer will ever stock one here. The 435 and 428 coupes are much lower and look a lot better as a result. I'm thinking if I got the car it would require something like this, I'd like to know how much I would have to budget for and what drop would make it look like a 435 coupe with sport package or M4:
Eibach springs Pro-Kit BMW 4 Gran Coupe (F36) 25/20mm - Eibach-Springs (875314) - tuning - german wheels and tires - spacers - coilovers
Eibach springs Pro-Kit BMW 4 Gran Coupe (F36) 25/20mm - Eibach-Springs (875314) - tuning - german wheels and tires - spacers - coilovers
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One problem with the 435 GC: every one I see around here, including M-Sport ones, have jacked up 4x4-ish suspension. Like a 1-inch gap between the wheel and the wheel, it kind of ruins the look. All the ones sold here are X-Drive, and I find it hard to believe that even M-Sport X-Drive suspension looks that high. I'd like to compare with a RWD M-Sport but no dealer will ever stock one here. The 435 and 428 coupes are much lower and look a lot better as a result. I'm thinking if I got the car it would require something like this, I'd like to know how much I would have to budget for and what drop would make it look like a 435 coupe with sport package or M4:
Eibach springs Pro-Kit BMW 4 Gran Coupe (F36) 25/20mm - Eibach-Springs (875314) - tuning - german wheels and tires - spacers - coilovers
Eibach springs Pro-Kit BMW 4 Gran Coupe (F36) 25/20mm - Eibach-Springs (875314) - tuning - german wheels and tires - spacers - coilovers
#551
BMW Concept M4 GTS
BMW Press Release
BMW Press Release
BMW Concept M4 GTS to be Premiered During Monterey Car Week.
The First M3/ M4 Special Production Car to be Sold in the US.
Woodcliff Lake, N.J. – EMBARGO: August 13, 2015 – 9:00pm EDT/6:00pm PDT.... A year on from the launch of the BMW M4 Coupe, BMW M GmbH is presenting an initial preview of a high-performance model for use on the road and on the race track: the BMW Concept M4 GTS – the first M3/M4 special production vehicle to be sold in the US.
The BMW M GmbH was founded in 1972 as BMW Motorsport GmbH and caused a sensation with its iconic BMW M1 racing car. As the force behind the world's most successful racing touring car, the Group A BMW M3 and the development of the first turbocharged engine to win the Formula One World Championship, the BMW M GmbH return to its racing roots with the BMW Concept M4 GTS.
The BMW Concept M4 GTS continues the tradition of BMW M3 special models already illuminated by the BMW M3 Evolution (1988), BMW M3 Sport Evolution (1990), BMW M3 GT (1995), BMW M3 CSL (2003), BMW M3 GTS (2010) and BMW M3 CRT (2011). Technology honed in race competition, a hike in power, a commitment to lightweight design and limited production numbers with unbeatable performance coupled with a powerful and exclusive driving experience.
"While the BMW M4 Coupe embodies the ideal combination of motor sport genes and unrestricted everyday usability, the BMW Concept M4 GTS previews an emotionally powerful and exclusive special model conceived with an eye for trailblazing technology and a keen focus on the race track," explains Frank van Meel, Chairman of the Board of Management of BMW M GmbH. "Despite its outstanding track ability, it is still fully road-legal. This is racing technology for the road in the truest sense."
The BMW Concept M4 GTS showcases new technologies which will debut in production vehicles later this year. The BMW Concept M4 GTS features the innovative water injection system that has already provided a significant output and torque boost in the BMW M4 MotoGP Safety Car. In addition, the BMW Concept M4 GTS has rear lights with OLED (organic light-emitting diode) technology for an unmistakable appearance.
Optimized down to the finest detail.
The BMW Concept M4 GTS builds on the BMW M4 Coupe's dynamic and emotional use of forms. Yet its character as a high-performance special model, in which every detail has been developed to fulfil its purpose as a successful track machine, also comes immediately to the fore. The manually adjustable front splitter and rear wing – both in exposed carbon – ensure perfect aerodynamic balance on the race tracks and on the road. Another example of the engineers' rigorous adherence to lightweight design is the CFRP (carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic) hood which lowers the car's weight and center of gravity. A wide front air intake optimizes airflow and minimizes front axle lift.
The dynamic and exclusive presence of the BMW Concept M4 GTS is accentuated by the exterior paint shade Frozen Dark Grey metallic, with the Acid Orange accent on the front splitter creating an effective contrast. The lightweight, forged and polished light-alloy wheels in 666 M styling also feature an Acid Orange accent. The 9.5 J x 19 (front) and 10.5 J x 20 (rear) wheels are fitted with Michelin Sport Cup 2 tires (265/35 R19 at the front, 285/30 R20 at the rear). The mixed-size tires provide the ideal conduit for the stand-out dynamic attributes of the BMW Concept M4 GTS.
Water injection: power up, full-load fuel consumption down.
The engine powering the BMW Concept M4 GTS is equipped with the same innovative water injection system that has endowed the BMW M4 MotoGP Safety Car with a noticeable increase in output and torque.
The water injection system introduced by BMW M GmbH sees the engineers using the physical effect of water when vaporizing to draw the required energy from the ambient medium. The water is injected into the plenums of the intake manifold as a fine spray. When water vaporizes and goes through its phase transition absorbs heat, cooling the air intake significantly. As a result, the final compression temperature in the combustion chamber – and therefore the engine's tendency to "knock" – is reduced, enabling the turbocharged engine to use higher boost pressure and earlier injection timing.
This technology ensures an increase in output and torque, while at the same time reducing the thermal stress on performance-relevant components. All of which also enhances the stability and durability of the turbocharged engine. The BMW Concept M4 GTS brings high-performance technology directly from the race track to the road.
The strong performance potential of the turbocharged six-cylinder in-line engine already demands an exceptionally sophisticated thermal management system for the engine and ancillary units. To ensure optimal operating temperatures in all situations, the M GmbH engineers have developed a highly innovative and effective cooling system. It comprises a main radiator plus additional radiators for the high- and low-temperature circuits, transmission and turbocharger in order to keep temperatures stable. The turbochargers are cooled by means of an indirect intercooler, assisted by an additional electric water pump.
OLED rear lights radiate ultra-high precision.
The BMW Concept M4 GTS is fitted with innovative rear lights featuring OLED (organic light-emitting diodes) technology, a new type of light source producing full-surface and homogenous illumination. Their low installation height of just 1.4 millimeters and the ability to actuate individual light modules which emit light to a single point provide flexibility and allow for precision.
The world premiere of the BMW Concept M4 GTS takes place at the Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance in Monterey, California on August 13, 2015. More details on the production version will be revealed at a later date.
The First M3/ M4 Special Production Car to be Sold in the US.
Woodcliff Lake, N.J. – EMBARGO: August 13, 2015 – 9:00pm EDT/6:00pm PDT.... A year on from the launch of the BMW M4 Coupe, BMW M GmbH is presenting an initial preview of a high-performance model for use on the road and on the race track: the BMW Concept M4 GTS – the first M3/M4 special production vehicle to be sold in the US.
The BMW M GmbH was founded in 1972 as BMW Motorsport GmbH and caused a sensation with its iconic BMW M1 racing car. As the force behind the world's most successful racing touring car, the Group A BMW M3 and the development of the first turbocharged engine to win the Formula One World Championship, the BMW M GmbH return to its racing roots with the BMW Concept M4 GTS.
The BMW Concept M4 GTS continues the tradition of BMW M3 special models already illuminated by the BMW M3 Evolution (1988), BMW M3 Sport Evolution (1990), BMW M3 GT (1995), BMW M3 CSL (2003), BMW M3 GTS (2010) and BMW M3 CRT (2011). Technology honed in race competition, a hike in power, a commitment to lightweight design and limited production numbers with unbeatable performance coupled with a powerful and exclusive driving experience.
"While the BMW M4 Coupe embodies the ideal combination of motor sport genes and unrestricted everyday usability, the BMW Concept M4 GTS previews an emotionally powerful and exclusive special model conceived with an eye for trailblazing technology and a keen focus on the race track," explains Frank van Meel, Chairman of the Board of Management of BMW M GmbH. "Despite its outstanding track ability, it is still fully road-legal. This is racing technology for the road in the truest sense."
The BMW Concept M4 GTS showcases new technologies which will debut in production vehicles later this year. The BMW Concept M4 GTS features the innovative water injection system that has already provided a significant output and torque boost in the BMW M4 MotoGP Safety Car. In addition, the BMW Concept M4 GTS has rear lights with OLED (organic light-emitting diode) technology for an unmistakable appearance.
Optimized down to the finest detail.
The BMW Concept M4 GTS builds on the BMW M4 Coupe's dynamic and emotional use of forms. Yet its character as a high-performance special model, in which every detail has been developed to fulfil its purpose as a successful track machine, also comes immediately to the fore. The manually adjustable front splitter and rear wing – both in exposed carbon – ensure perfect aerodynamic balance on the race tracks and on the road. Another example of the engineers' rigorous adherence to lightweight design is the CFRP (carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic) hood which lowers the car's weight and center of gravity. A wide front air intake optimizes airflow and minimizes front axle lift.
The dynamic and exclusive presence of the BMW Concept M4 GTS is accentuated by the exterior paint shade Frozen Dark Grey metallic, with the Acid Orange accent on the front splitter creating an effective contrast. The lightweight, forged and polished light-alloy wheels in 666 M styling also feature an Acid Orange accent. The 9.5 J x 19 (front) and 10.5 J x 20 (rear) wheels are fitted with Michelin Sport Cup 2 tires (265/35 R19 at the front, 285/30 R20 at the rear). The mixed-size tires provide the ideal conduit for the stand-out dynamic attributes of the BMW Concept M4 GTS.
Water injection: power up, full-load fuel consumption down.
The engine powering the BMW Concept M4 GTS is equipped with the same innovative water injection system that has endowed the BMW M4 MotoGP Safety Car with a noticeable increase in output and torque.
The water injection system introduced by BMW M GmbH sees the engineers using the physical effect of water when vaporizing to draw the required energy from the ambient medium. The water is injected into the plenums of the intake manifold as a fine spray. When water vaporizes and goes through its phase transition absorbs heat, cooling the air intake significantly. As a result, the final compression temperature in the combustion chamber – and therefore the engine's tendency to "knock" – is reduced, enabling the turbocharged engine to use higher boost pressure and earlier injection timing.
This technology ensures an increase in output and torque, while at the same time reducing the thermal stress on performance-relevant components. All of which also enhances the stability and durability of the turbocharged engine. The BMW Concept M4 GTS brings high-performance technology directly from the race track to the road.
The strong performance potential of the turbocharged six-cylinder in-line engine already demands an exceptionally sophisticated thermal management system for the engine and ancillary units. To ensure optimal operating temperatures in all situations, the M GmbH engineers have developed a highly innovative and effective cooling system. It comprises a main radiator plus additional radiators for the high- and low-temperature circuits, transmission and turbocharger in order to keep temperatures stable. The turbochargers are cooled by means of an indirect intercooler, assisted by an additional electric water pump.
OLED rear lights radiate ultra-high precision.
The BMW Concept M4 GTS is fitted with innovative rear lights featuring OLED (organic light-emitting diodes) technology, a new type of light source producing full-surface and homogenous illumination. Their low installation height of just 1.4 millimeters and the ability to actuate individual light modules which emit light to a single point provide flexibility and allow for precision.
The world premiere of the BMW Concept M4 GTS takes place at the Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance in Monterey, California on August 13, 2015. More details on the production version will be revealed at a later date.
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I would prefer non-orange wheels...but, IWHI.
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^ Agreed, love it except for the orange trimmed wheels. I'd be ok with keeping the orange on the front lip though.
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Hi-res of the M4 GTS available here: BMW M4 GTS Concept (2015)
#556
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That is some weak ass wing... if you are going to put wings like that, then do it right. Or put something else there.
Reminds me of the AC ones for E46 back in the days.
Reminds me of the AC ones for E46 back in the days.
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who said we all have to like it?
I dont like the wing, others don't like the wheels. Rest of the car look like a stock M4.
so are we the fanboys or are you the hatttter?
We don't have to like what it looks like to rock one... at the end of the day it is still a M4 GTS....
I dont like the wing, others don't like the wheels. Rest of the car look like a stock M4.
so are we the fanboys or are you the hatttter?
We don't have to like what it looks like to rock one... at the end of the day it is still a M4 GTS....
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Just like any Evo, STi or even Miata...
I would never buy those cars because of the looks. But i would still drive one...
I would never buy those cars because of the looks. But i would still drive one...