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in Bayarea. Acura dealerships are more and in prime locations. Honda/Acura managed to spend money in dealership expansion way earlier than Audi.
we have couple of A7/S6/S5/A8 in our office. they look like tin can after few years. there is another 6 year old A3. the engine sound like tractor.
by comparing apple and orange comparision. you make it sound like Civic depreciate more when it fact this tale end of a 10 year old tech.
A3 new vehicle with 17inch rim, DI turbo engine, 6speed Auto, HID lights. and still lost $10k value in one year.
by comparing apple and orange comparision. you make it sound like Civic depreciate more when it fact this tale end of a 10 year old tech.
A3 new vehicle with 17inch rim, DI turbo engine, 6speed Auto, HID lights. and still lost $10k value in one year.
You are the only who said you can't even buy a Civic with $22k from the A3 and you are saying i am comparing Apple and orange?
and is this how you calculate depreciation value? how much does its superior ground clearance and superior vents location add to the resale value?
That is one of the reasons and the other primary reason is the same reason as anywhere else in the world - brand/status recognition. Except us take it to another level when compared to people in the US.
This is the thing. you are providing reasons why Acura is selling less than Audi, which is fine. But to be honest, who cares. The bottom line is Audi used to sell about the same amount of cars as Acura, just not too long ago. And now they have surpassed them by a large margin.
You compete with what you have. If you dont have it, too bad.
We were talking about the sales #s between Audi and Acura. Now if you want to talk about Audi's sales # vs BMW or Mercedes, that is a completely different subject and there are many reasons why it can't compete in sales with those 2 in the US.
Just to name a few: history, perception (unreliable even by German's Standard), leasing program, resale value, dealer network and to me probably the most important one, their new model cycle. For every new Audi they introduce, BMW and Merc already introduced 2 generations already.
Let's use S4 as an example, a 2015 A4/S4 is almost a decade old. It has a very nice engine and performance but when you dig into the details: it does not have auto folding mirrors (both 3 and C do), its back up camera's resolution is from 90s. The screen size is the same as my phone and it is actually more expensive to lease than the 3 and the C by hundreds a month.
The new A4 is very nice and has surpassed its competitors in many ways especially in technology but damn you can almost lease 1 320 and 1 328 for the price of 1 well equipped A4.
Lol, it goes back to your original comment of "i am surprised the sales # gap has widen that much between Audi and Acura."
You were surprised with the sales # gap....so logically, I thought you genuinely didn't know why that's happening. As such, I just provided some possible reasons to explain why the gap is that big...and how it's not really a surprise.
Lol, it goes back to your original comment of "i am surprised the sales # gap has widen that much between Audi and Acura."
You were surprised with the sales # gap....so logically, I thought you genuinely didn't know why that's happening. As such, I just provided some possible reasons to explain why the gap is that big...and how it's not really a surprise.
i am surprised because Audi has had more models than Acura for many years now, so it is not news anymore.
But the sales #s had been close until this past 2 years or so.
But i can tell you that having more models is definitely not the main reason. If your core products are strong, then the different deviated models will have a much higher chance of success when more models are offered. In Acura's case, how many more do you think it will sell if they offer an ILX coupe that looks and feels the same, or a TLX coupe that suffers the same issue as TLX or a RLX 2.0?
Last edited by oonowindoo; 06-03-2016 at 02:10 PM.
Audi is completely devalued brand. its practically on every corner of UK.
What a fucking retard. He's now complaining that Audi sells TOO many vehicles? Are you fucking kidding me?
So wait, by acura not selling shit, they have more prestige? Uh, people buy what they like. Clearly people aren't liking Acura. There's no prestige to the brand. Low prices, average product, bland styling... yeah... prestigious
That must mean BMW and MB have zero prestige also. They sell way more than Audi.
What a fucking retard. He's now complaining that Audi sells TOO many vehicles? Are you fucking kidding me?
So wait, by acura not selling shit, they have more prestige? Uh, people buy what they like. Clearly people aren't liking Acura. There's no prestige to the brand. Low prices, average product, bland styling... yeah... prestigious
That must mean BMW and MB have zero prestige also. They sell way more than Audi.
Shut up, jackass. You're a fucking clown.
It's not Acura job to be in every street and every country. I simply don't want Acura dealers overloaded like Honda.
Acura is going right direction by introducing expensive NSX and hybrid MDX and RLX. They need to make ILX and TlX more expensive in next iteration.
It's not Acura job to be in every street and every country. I simply don't want Acura dealers overloaded like Honda.
Acura is going right direction by introducing expensive NSX and hybrid MDX and RLX. They need to make ILX and TlX more expensive in next iteration.
and if they can't sell them at their current prices, what makes you think they will.... nevermind, i forgot you want them to sell less cars... well yah sure make them more expensive.
i am surprised because Audi has had more models than Acura for many years now, so it is not news anymore.
But the sales #s had been close until this past 2 years or so.
But i can tell you that having more models is definitely not the main reason. If your core products are strong, then the different deviated models will have a much higher chance of success when more models are offered. In Acura's case, how many more do you think it will sell if they offer an ILX coupe that looks and feels the same, or a TLX coupe that suffers the same issue as TLX or a RLX 2.0?
It's true that Audi has had more models than Acura for years now. But even more so now, since Acura actually reduced its models (TLX in, TSX, TL, ZDX gone) in recent years, while Audi just added the Q3 last year or so.
Acura used to be ahead of Audi in terms of sales. As Audi added more models, and Acura reducing its models, the trend started to change. Eventually, Audi caught up, and overall sales figures been very similar for both brands. And in the little while, Audi finally went ahead. To me, that was just an inevitable trend. Unless Audi has been making some poor cars, if the brand is growing its portfolio, while Acura is shrinking, then logically, Audi would eventually surpass Acura, and sure enough, it did.
We don't really need to predict how well a ILX or TLX coupe would do. We can easily look at the past at the CL and know that, that sort of car would probably not work very well in the market.
With that said, when we look at the A5 numbers, it doesn't seem to be doing quite well, with only 800 units sold. For comparison, BMW sold 3600 copies of the 4 series. As I mentioned and calculated before, if we look at core models of Acura, versus the core models of Audi, the figures are very similar. And yup, that's including the performance trims of the Audi models, like the S, RS, etc. The other 4000 units that Audi sold in May, all came from models that Acura doesn't offer, such as Q3, A5, A7, A8, TT.
Just to be clear, the core models I mentioned above are the following:
ILX vs A3: 1424 vs 3040
TLX vs A4: 3235 vs 2756
RLX vs A6: 127 vs 1661
RDX vs Q5: 4566 vs 4736
MDX vs Q7: 4208 vs 2663
It's true that Audi has had more models than Acura for years now. But even more so now, since Acura actually reduced its models (TLX in, TSX, TL, ZDX gone) in recent years, while Audi just added the Q3 last year or so.
Acura used to be ahead of Audi in terms of sales. As Audi added more models, and Acura reducing its models, the trend started to change. Eventually, Audi caught up, and overall sales figures been very similar for both brands. And in the little while, Audi finally went ahead. To me, that was just an inevitable trend. Unless Audi has been making some poor cars, if the brand is growing its portfolio, while Acura is shrinking, then logically, Audi would eventually surpass Acura, and sure enough, it did.
We don't really need to predict how well a ILX or TLX coupe would do. We can easily look at the past at the CL and know that, that sort of car would probably not work very well in the market.
With that said, when we look at the A5 numbers, it doesn't seem to be doing quite well, with only 800 units sold. For comparison, BMW sold 3600 copies of the 4 series. As I mentioned and calculated before, if we look at core models of Acura, versus the core models of Audi, the figures are very similar. And yup, that's including the performance trims of the Audi models, like the S, RS, etc. The other 4000 units that Audi sold in May, all came from models that Acura doesn't offer, such as Q3, A5, A7, A8, TT.
Just to be clear, the core models I mentioned above are the following:
ILX vs A3: 1424 vs 3040
TLX vs A4: 3235 vs 2756
RLX vs A6: 127 vs 1661
RDX vs Q5: 4566 vs 4736
MDX vs Q7: 4208 vs 2663
These new A4 will pass TLX within the next few month i predict since it still has some allocation issues. new Q5 is coming and the ancient Q5 is outselling a newly resigned RDX, what happens when the new Q5 comes out?
Yup I agree. Haha, don't get me wrong, not saying Acura isn't in trouble or anything...
For me, I think the TLX has been doing well considering that it's not really that amazing. But for months, I've been saying that with the Accord facelift, new A4, 3 series facelift, etc, I feel that the TLX will slow down, unless Acura puts more money on the hood. Its MMC needs to be a big one.....
The RDX got a pretty good facelift (not really a redesign IMO), which is keeping it updated. I probably wouldn't worry too much about it, since the Q5 is still months away from coming out. Also, the Q5 has been selling well for years now. Anyway, the new RDX is supposed to come out in less than a year from now. Worst case, throw some money on the hood...lol...
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with 4 year maintaince , B&O music system with two sets of tires. 2014 Audi S4 Quattro, 19600 miles
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Will also throw in a set of stock Summer Performance Tires with ~8K miles on them. $1000 value
Um... ilx at 14 or 15k is not a bad buy actually considering used xcivic is about the same
Definitely a good deal at those prices. Makes me realize that buying a new Acura is a bad idea when, depending on the model and trim, you can pick up a used 1-2 year older model and pay half of what you would pay for a new one. Let the other person take the huge depreciation hit.
2014 Acura ILX
MSRP : $26,900 used price : $12,488
2 yr depreciation : $14,412 (53.58%)
2014 Acura 2.4 ILX with Premium pack
MSRP : $29,200 used price : $16,199
2 yr depreciation: $13,001 (44.53%)
Again ILX is using ancient engine/transmission/electronics from 2013-2015. Model year is new but technology and platform behind it Civic introduced in 2005. That's why I am saying you have no understanding of modern tech.
there is nothing special about big sedan depreciation.
Definitely a good deal at those prices. Makes me realize that buying a new Acura is a bad idea when, depending on the model and trim, you can pick up a used 1-2 year older model and pay half of what you would pay for a new one. Let the other person take the huge depreciation hit.
Again ILX is using ancient engine/transmission/electronics from 2013-2015. Model year is new but technology and platform behind it Civic introduced in 2005. That's why I am saying you have no understanding of modern tech.
A car not in its last model year and with modern tech. The all new and redesigned TLX should meet that.
- direct injected engine
- 8 speed DCT
- Precision All Wheel Steer
- Jewel eye LED headlights
- Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS)
- Blind Spot Information (BSI) system
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW) system
- ELS premium audio system
- Acura navigation with AcuraLink Real Time Traffic
2015 Acura TLX 2.4 with technology pack
MSRP : $35,920
used asking price : $22,299
1 yr depreciation : $13,621 (37.92%)
A car not in its last model year and with modern tech. The all new and redesigned TLX should meet that.
- direct injected engine
- 8 speed DCT
- Precision All Wheel Steer
- Jewel eye LED headlights
- Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS)
- Blind Spot Information (BSI) system
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW) system
- ELS premium audio system
- Acura navigation with AcuraLink Real Time Traffic
2015 Acura TLX 2.4 with technology pack
MSRP : $35,920
used asking price : $22,299
1 yr depreciation : $13,621 (37.92%)
nice try but look at fine print.
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A car not in its last model year and with modern tech. The all new and redesigned TLX should meet that.
- direct injected engine
- 8 speed DCT
- Precision All Wheel Steer
- Jewel eye LED headlights
- Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS)
- Blind Spot Information (BSI) system
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW) system
- ELS premium audio system
- Acura navigation with AcuraLink Real Time Traffic
2015 Acura TLX 2.4 with technology pack
MSRP : $35,920
used asking price : $22,299
1 yr depreciation : $13,621 (37.92%)
Yeah, but you have to buy a wrecked/bad one. I wonder what was wrong with it...
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2015 Acura TLX 2.4 with technology pack
MSRP : $35,920
used asking price : $25,292
1 yr depreciation : $10,628 (29.59%)
The point I'm trying to make is that, contrary to what the resident troll believes, 1 yr old Honda's/Acura's can and do depreciate as much as or more than other brands. That 1 yr old Audi A3 Premium he brought up only depreciated by 23.14% vs all these 1 yr old Acura's with modern tech and aren't at the end of their model year that have depreciated by 30% or more.
What happened to Acura's superior resale value which he has brought up time and again?
The point I'm trying to make is that, contrary to what the resident troll believes, 1 yr old Honda's/Acura's can and do depreciate as much as or more than other brands. That 1 yr old Audi A3 Premium he brought up only depreciated by 23.14% vs all these 1 yr old Acura's with modern tech and aren't at the end of their model year that have depreciated by 30% or more.
What happened to Acura's superior resale value which he has brought up time and again?
its not the percentage but dollar value that matters that as $40k TLX 2015 now usually sales for $26k average price.
on other hand $65k BMW with 4 year maintaince package, runflat tires, turbo DI engines, headup display, double wishbone suspension sales for around $35k or less.
we all can see that SSF is moving the goal post farther and farther to make his point
It was the weekend. I had time to kill.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
its not the percentage but dollar value that matters that as $40k TLX 2015 now usually sales for $26k average price.
on other hand $65k BMW with 4 year maintaince package, runflat tires, turbo DI engines, headup display, double wishbone suspension sales for around $35k or less.
Yes, keep changing things like you always do when you're proven wrong.
Your first claim was "you can't buy a civic at this price" (refering to the $22,981 price of a 2015 Audi A3 Premium).
You're proven wrong when you're shown a 2015 Civic SE selling for $14,999 (less than the Audi A3's $22,981 price). Do you admit you're wrong? No.
What do you do? You change your line by telling us to "Try find Civic EXLNavi 2015 at that price and that still 10 year old tech".
A 2015 Civic EX-L with Navi is found that's still less than the Audi A3's $22,981 price. Do you admit you're wrong? No. You dismiss it because it was "in last model year. usually you buy those on discounts" and because it's "using ancient engine/transmission/electronics"
You talk about how the 2015 Audi A3 "lost $10k value in one year" is so terrible, as if Honda/Acura was immune to this.
Multiple one year old Acura's (a brand which you've repeatedly said has superior resale value vs other brands ) with modern tech and that are not in their last model year are shown that not only lost more than $10K value in one year, but also depreciated more as a percentage too. Do you admit you're wrong? No. You ignore them and try to change things yet again by pointing out several BMW's that are more than one year old, as if they have anything to do with your original premise.
I merely explaining used car prices are what they are for Acura.
competition simply delivering more content, better tires and rims, maintaince packages, much wider navigation systems with headup display, more colors, better suspension with sport packages, newer engines and still the depreciation is more than Acura per dollar value.
based on this analysis there is no need for Acura to invest in new technology.
how many colors RLX you can find in used car market?
its not the percentage but dollar value that matters that as $40k TLX 2015 now usually sales for $26k average price.
on other hand $65k BMW with 4 year maintaince package, runflat tires, turbo DI engines, headup display, double wishbone suspension sales for around $35k or less.
If SSFTSX was an investment advisor and we were in the 2008-2009 recession, he'd tell Client A who just saw their $40,000 stock portfolio decline by $20,000 overnight that things aren't so bad vs. Client B who saw their $100,000 stock portfolio decline by $30,000 because a $20,000 decline is less than a $30,000 decline.
oh shit if he was an investment advisor, he would tell his client to put all of their savings into stocks that no one ever touches because it is EXCLUSIVE
its never a percentage as lower priced vehicles and especially Honda/Acura are very decontented relative to competition. so neither consumer nor the manufacturer lose money on it.
on TLX fit finish is below TSX and removed the DWB. on TLX at best after 3 years. it will depreciate $15k.
while BMW 3/5/7 anywhere from $25k to $60k. After warranty even dealers have hard time sale it.
BMW revenues are total bogus. they cant increase revenue even with increase in unit sales.
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BMW cut prices for spare parts in China. Volkswagen introduced discounts and interest free loans in China to boost sales. One phenomenon that underscores the challenges facing Germany’s exporters is a divergence between the growth in sales and growth in revenues.
For example, Daimler’s first quarter sales in 2016 increased by 7 percent compared to the first quarter of 2015, but revenues increased by a mere 2 percent. BMW’s automotive segment unit sales grew by 5.9 percent in the first quarter year over year, but revenue for car sales declined by 0.4 percent.
06-02-2016, 11:56 PM
take it to another level when compared to people in the US. 
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