SSFTSX

There are sales in 2005 and 2006 there are months where RL sales beat LS.
Acura RL is extension of current Acura/Honda technolgy. it is not some separate RWD/V8 platform investment. This stupid logic you never understand. there is no point for increasing Japanese built car.
Acura NSX sold more than Lexus LFA.

you should worry about EU, China and India.

Acura is leveraging NSX technology for next generation vehicles.

https://www.motor1.com/news/177863/h...ion-increased/
Honda NSX UK Allocation Increased To 150 Due To High Demand

This black one sold for $250K.
https://www.clivesutton.co.uk/listings/honda-nsx/

YEH

^

LMAO!!

Why are you always bringing in foreign markets into the discussion? (It's b/c you can't refute what I had stated.)

Oh, gee - the 150 sales in the UK is really going to turn the NSX program into a $$-maker (instead of a $$-losing one). lol

The reason why there is such "demand" in the UK is b/c of the high CO2 taxes, not to mention the added pollution tax in London.

In the US, the NSX sold only 170 units in 2018 and sales increased to 238 in 2019 due to a hidden $20k incentive.

Meanwhile, the ancient GT-R sold 538 units in 2018 and 331 in 2019, but back when it was newer, sold over 1k/yr (last time being in 2015).

The older BMW i8 did 1,102 units last year and sold 2,265 in its best year.

Meanwhile the NSX has only broken the 300 sales barrier once (581).

In 4 yrs of sale, the total for NSX sales is just 1,258.

The i8 did about 1k more in its best year of sale; at the current rate, the NSX (for its entire run) may not even hit the 2,265 high water mark for the i8, unless Honda extends the life of the NSX beyond 8 yrs.

Like the RLX, the NSX is a $$-loser for Honda.

Sorry, had asked if the RLX (and not the RL) had ever beaten the LS in sales.

And the RL should have beaten the LS every year in sales considering that it was a lot cheaper (being priced more like the GS).


So, you admit that the RL and pretty much every Acura is Honda+.

That's the major reason why the RL/RLX failed.

A Honda+ tactic may work for something at a lower price-point like the TLX, but doesn't even work well at the mid-price segment (where the RLX sat), much less the flagship segment.

LMAO!

So a $140k-150k model outsold a $400k model?

The wonder of it all. lol

YEH

Honda is no threat in the EU or India.

Plus, HMG is ahead of Honda when it comes to electrics; they're not the one who is the JR partner to GM - basically paying GM to use its skateboard platform and Ultium batteries, much less have GM actually manufacture the models for Honda.

SSFTSX

Hyundai with it small profit margins are going to be wiped out in EU, Middleast and Asia. . Honda is not exposed to these markets.​​​​​​ Honda has so much credit rating and Japan has much foreign reserves they can buy multiple of GMs. Japan had largest currency swaps with India and China. You are living in lala land. Japan can practically boot out Korean products from every market outside US. and when outside markets goes down. there is simply no money left for US market.

Cheaper does not mean it has cheaper lease deal.
percentage of Lexus and BMW leases are far higher than Acura. RLX is related to prior Honda Accord that was intorduced in Thailand in 2007. that is same platform, engine. It does not mean it next Acura are related to Honda.
https://cartelligent.com/blog/which-...-often-leased/

Quote:

The older BMW i8 did

barely used I8 is selling for less than half price of used NSX.


No on care about CO2 when you are looking at 200k plus prices. and its under Honda badge. No Hyundai crap can sell for this price.


Just combine sales of Pilot/Passport/MDX approaching 20k a Month. and Pilot/Passport does not even have hybrids yet. Honda has maximum returns on minimum investments.

Honda is not Hyundi that will devalued its Brand by adding too many models along with free maintaince and home delivery in every tight fisted market of the world.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Just a note, a lot of these super cars have incentives. It's not really a NSX-only phenomenon. Know a lot of other NSX owners with several super cars like McLarens, R8, 911, AMG GT, etc with discout ranging from $20-$40k for these as well.

Edward'TLS

The Honda badge on the Honda (not Acura) NSX in the majority of the foreign markets isn't really helpful in aiding the NSX to fetch top $.

YEH

Sure, but many of those have a significantly higher price-point and/or discounts become common-place when a model is towards the end of its life-cycle.

Honda started putting the secret incentive on the NSX just 2.5 years after it was launched.

In its 1st full (and best) year of sale, the NSX did 581 units.

The next year, sales dropped all the way to just 170, forcing Honda to apply the incentive - which got sales up a bit to 238.

That's a far cry from what the 1G NSX did in its 1st 3 years of sale (each year selling over 1k).

Plus, many supercars actually go up in value (not every supercar is deemed special and hence, in high demand by collectors).


Not so sure of that; in most markets, they'd be like Acura? What is that?

The Honda brand actually has name recognition when it comes to performance/racing (in particular, F1); much like Ford w/ the GT (and Ford had zero problem selling out the GT - which was not only at a significantly higher price-point, but has been appreciating in value on the used market).

Same reason why the GT-R remained a Nissan for overseas markets and wasn't rebranded an Infiniti.

Despite being really long-in-the-tooth, the GT-R still sold better than the NSX in 2019 w/ 331 sold.

From 2016 to 2018, the GT-R did from around 700 units to 500+, and for 7 out of the 8 years prior to that, did over 1k units.

The problem w/ the current NSX is that Honda overpriced it (same thing Toyota did w/ the LF-A, but at Ford GT level prices, which the Ford could actually command); may have sold better at its current price-point if it had more striking sheetmetal.

There are so many choices today when it comes to supercars (much less hypercars) w/ these all these boutique supercar/hypercar makers that one really needs to stand out.

SSFTSX

you should stop embarassing your self by even commenting on NSX. NSX is superior product as its used values are far higher than GTR.
NSX technology is already being used in various Acura products.

Both Hyundai and Kia has upto 40% decline in global sales that despite good results in US and Korea. imagine US and Korea markets sputter. what will Hyundai and Kia do with so much different products.


Honda has very minor decline.

biker

The most commonly stolen vehicle is the Honda Accord.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Definitely man. The badge doesn't help at all.


Hmm not sure about significant. I think he Nsx is priced higher than the amg gt, i8, and only slightly less than a 911 or r8, or 570s.

The amg gt and r8, 570s came our roughly the same time as the nsx.

The point is that these cars all have similar secret incentives as the nsx.

On the other hand if you are talking about a special edition, like the Porsche GT3, rs, gt4, those you will need to like up for them and appreciate in value. Here in Vancouver, you actually have to own several Porsches before you can get on the preferred list to buy these special cars.

The lovely thing about the na1 Nsx was that currency exhange allowed it to be priced at $60k starting. The Japanese economy crashed in the early 90s and many Japanese sports cars quickly went up in price by like 20, 30%. The Nsx for instance went from 60k to 80k in a few years and sales dropped hard. The good thing about the original Nsx was that Honda was having huge f1 success at the time of introduction. The nc1 was launched when honda was having an awful time in f1. And yea. The nc1 also went from before a normal 911 carrera competitor to a 911 turbo competitor in both performance and price. People have problem paying that much for a Honda.

SamDoe1

What is the incentive on a NSX? How does one find out about these?

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Hmm not sure about right now, but last year there was a $20k Acura incentive for the 2019 model. This got "famous" as there were car magazines talking about it. On top of that, one may be able to negotiate a further discount from the dealer, especially for ones that have more options. You can browse on nsx prime for these. Likewise, for other cars in this price range, you can just google and quickly find how much discounts people are getting.

For the NSX and I8, Acura and BMW make the incentive more apaprently by having a known rebate. For the other ones like Porsche, McLaren, and Audi, they will say there are no rebates. Instead, the money is offered in the form of trunk money or other deals directly from the manufacturer. For instance, you can get $40-50k a year ago on a brand new 2018 R8 V10+ when they had 200 listed in inventory. For the McLaren 570s, dealers will mark cars with extremely low mileage as "demo" cars and then slash $40-60k at the end of the year. These aren't "Audi" or "McLaren" incentives so you can't really search these online easily. These companies just don't want their cars to have a lower perceived value which is understandable.

One of the NSX owners traded in his 2017 NSX for a 2019 NSX. Prior to trading, he was considering the 911 Turbo and R8. He was able to get around $30k off the 911 (probably helped by the fact that the 992 turbo was about to come out). For the R8, he was able to get $20k off a 2020 R8, or $53k off a leftover but new R8 V10+.

So yea, while still $$$, one can get some nice incentives on these $150k+ cars.

SamDoe1

Interesting, thanks for that! I thought that there would be fewer incentives and such on cars like that vs normal ones because most people spending that kind of cash on a car usually don't care that much about $10k either way.

nist7

I know right, interesting to get a peek behind the curtains so to speak.

I know Honda has been ragged on by many for offering discounts like that (often along side criticism of how bad the new NSX is), but it's good to know that other companies do the same thing to try to move units and then try to keep it hush hush so as not to damage the PR too much.

This is an unpopular opinion but I think the new NSX is underrated and mis-understood. But nevertheless, the 150k sports car market has become EXTREMELY competitive. So many options to choose from

Legend2TL

+1, one of brother's friends in South Beach got a similar great deal on a 997.2 Turbo (2018). The four Miami area Porsche dealers wanted to clear their inventory out for the 991.

SSFTSX

the discounts on NSX are on standard models. there are $10K rims, super expensive brakes and various options. The car can easily be specialized to $225K. starting price is meaningless.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Glad to be able to share guys! We are want a little discount after all lol!

Can't speak for everyone but in a sense, but I think many people who end up buying these cars are usually good with their money. They will want to look for deals and do all the calculations to see what makes the most sense. It's still a big purchase for many.

YEH

Sales of the NSX are way behind that of the others (yes, something like the 911 starts at a lower pricepoint, but also goes way above the pricepoint of the NSX, such as the Speedster Cabrio which can go over $370k).

NSX
2019 - 238
2018 - 170

R8
2019 - 574
2018 - 927

911
2019 - 9,265
2018 - 9,647

AMG GT
2019 - 4,208
2018 - 1,525

Nissan GT-R
2019 - 331
2018 - 538

Cargurus is showing the following listings:

NSX
MSRP - $165,495; Priced at $133,725
MSRP - $197,800; Priced at $149,877

So, discounts of $32k to $48k can be had (granted, the $48k discount is for an '18MY).

And while there are discounts of around $20k to be had on low-end 911s, doubt you'll get much of a discount on the Speedster Cabrio or the GT3 RS (some dealerships have added a price-adjustment).

Whatever the case may be regarding discounts, at the current sales volume, doubt that Honda will get their investment back (just like how Toyota never recouped their investment in the LFA).

YEH

The NSX barely sells and doesn't bode well when an '18MY is still available w/ no takers despite an advertised $48k discount.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but at the rate the NSX has been selling, Honda will not recoup their investment.

And speaking of recouping investment...

Oh gee, it's a temporary situation due to Covid.

And what actually matters more than volume is which models are selling (want vehicles w/ higher margins to be big sellers).

Acura did 10,341 in sales in the US for May.

Genesis, in Korea, did 12,960 in sales.

Of which 7,582 was for the G80 and 4,164 was for the GV80.

Both the G80 and GV80 have higher margins than anything Acura sells (well, anything w/ any sort of volume).

Honda's best seller (by far) in Japan is the Fit (7,235), followed by the Freed MPV (3,612) and Vezel (aka HR-V; 1,643).

Not exactly big margins on those vehicles.

The best selling Honda model w/ decent margins is the JDM Odyssey (smaller than the NA model) at 436.

The G90 outsold that w/ 601 units.

4 of the top 5 sellers in Korea are models w/ at least decent (if not good) margins - the Grandeur at #1 (13,416) followed by the Sorento (9,297), K5 and G80.

Other models w/ healthy margins also sold pretty well.

K7 - 4,464
Palisade - 4,177
Carnival - 2,941
Mohave - 1,719
K9 - 601

It's what sells that's more important (than simply volume); which is why Audi is a lot more profitable than VW and why Porsche made about as much profit as Audi in 2018 despite considerably lower sales volume.

SSFTSX

are you for real?. MDX hybrid and RLX hybrid used similar transmission setup as NSX 9 Speed DCT. The brake system is similar to Acura upcoming TLX. It gives Acura in high performance turbos combined with battery. superb carbon fibre research on light weight material,, aerodynamics and exclusive Paint colors. NSX has upto $6K paint option.with almost 5 to 6 kinds of Rims with some rims costing $10k, brakes costing $10k. why do you think TLX PMC and MDX PMC exist.



They are making GT3 EVO version of NSX at prices higher than $650K.





https://racer.com/2020/05/27/wittmer...ount-panorama/

Wittmer, Honda win GT Rivals Esports Invitational at Mount Panorama

Wittmer dominated the Mountain, crossing the line 3.1 seconds ahead of Perel’s Ferrari, with Heitkotter holding onto third place for another podium finish

YEH

^ LOL!

Who cares?

Point remains, Honda very likely will not make its $$ back on what they put into the NSX program.

The NSX is having trouble selling at its base price-point, some special edition isn't going to make a difference.

00TL-P3.2

Since when does esports have any true connection to the real car? The games have gotten batter, but it hold very little relevance to pitting the real cars against each other on track.

SSFTSX

do you really believe all the performance division R&D only related to NSX?. There is some thing call fundamental research. There are far more Korean students in US than Japanese.
per unit cost of NSX may well be below $100k. it still very profitable when over all technology implementation.
thats the reason MDX only with 321bhp hybrid power and large all season tires can go zero to 60 mph under 6 seconds and pull 0.87G.
next MDX turbo will embarass your so called GV80 in performance that no one will buy it again unless it has real incentives.

oonowindoo

I dont understand why you are proud of that?

X5 RWD base model can do 0-60 in 5.2 secs... i mean only you probably think SUV can do 0-60 under 6 is somehow special

I personally have never raced any MDX since they are primarily driven by Soccer moms... So i dont think i will be embarrassed by any Turbo MDX

SSFTSX

it special when you only producing 321 bhp and 289 ft-lb and less gripy 245 size tire and still pulling identical Gs of competitor 275 size tire with almost twice the fuel economic. this is 4 year old technology.

I have confidence next MDX will be way faster than any comparable Geneis product even the V8 crap in that price range. It is effective implementation of R&D. it is not hedgepodge of left over R&D from Germans.

oonowindoo

Let me fix that for you...

just FYI, GV80 has 3.5TT.... so i am not sure why you have confidence on a 3.0T to have better performance than a 3.5TT... maybe it does... i am just wondering where your confidence come from since Acura hasn't released any # on their 3.0T yet....

Perhaps due to Honda's superior bhp? if so, i totally understand..

YEH

Again, it doesn't matter.

There is a sunk cost for the NSX program, no matter that elements of the tech developed gets trickled down to lower-end models.

Lincoln sold the Coach Door edition of the Continental at $112k to nearly $117k a pop. (the 2nd time around).

Do you think that made the Continental economically feasible for Ford?

No, that's why they canceled it.

When it comes to sales volume, the US market is pretty much it for Acura.

Sure, Canada does a decent volume (but whether Acura survives or not is not dependent on how sales are north of the border) and China contributes some as well.

But it's not only sales volume, but margins.

The only relatively high margin model is the MDX and for the past couple of years, can get one w/ a hefty discount.

As stated, Acura's ATP is already about $10k below that of Infiniti, Lexus and Genesis, and in the case of the Genesis, that delta will only increase when the GV80 and G80 hit the lots here.

The MDX does half the volume of the RX, and the FWD/transverse lux CUVs are getting pressured from the top spec mainstream CUVs like the Telluride, CX-9 and Palisade.

The head of Nissan acknowledged that Infiniti will be on a Nissan+ strategy going forward (they pretty much where already there as their CUVs have switched from RWD to FWD), a plan that Honda has long been doing w/ Acura, w/ Lexus, increasingly following that route as well (w/ their best-sellers based on the Highlander, Avalon, RAV-4 and C-HR).

SSFTSX

Quote:

Again, it

It does matter. as NSX is lead product of technology R&D for performance division of Honda.
Thats why i already pointed out dont compare Nissan GTR with NSX. Nissan GTR has worthless technology.
Only Honda can create tall and wide SUV like Honda Passport that are far faster than competition for given horsepower.

Nissan cannot create higher G pulling FWD vehicles. they have very low R&D capability mostly suitable for for low priced third world countries
Current NSX and Current Civic were developed at same time.

YEH

^ Right, b/c Acura is sooooo prized by enthusiasts. lol

Automakers are dropping out of racing series left and right (the old adage that the racing tech trickles down to production vehicles doesn't justify the cost).

And you think Passport owners really picked the Passport for its acceleration?

Buyers who want a fast CUV get an X3 M, X4 M or X5 M or an AMG or Porsche.

Passport buyers mainly get it b/c its large for its segment (sharing its platform w/ the Pilot), and the Passport hasn't exactly been flying off the lots (it does a decent 3.5k or so a month).

And all that doesn't negate the fact that the Acura brand is overly reliant on the US market, and on the RDX and MDX.

And that like the FWD Lexus and Infiniti CUVs, are increasingly getting threatened by ever increasing level of premium-ness by mainstream branded CUVs.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Hmm I was only saying other cars in this price range offer significant discounts. I wasn't really talking about sales figures or that ALL cars in this price range have discounts. We all know the NSX, whether NA or NC, were never strong except for the first few years of introduction of the NA. It's always gonna be difficult to sell a $150k+ Acura when Acura has been struggling to sell even a $50k car. Just ask Mercedes about its SLR McLaren and subsequently the SLS AMG. Both are brilliant cars but priced too high for the Mercedes brand image. Mercedes learned its lesson from those and created the AMG GT for $100k+. Bam, it's selling pretty pretty well now as people are happy to pay $100-150k for a high end Mercedes.

If you re-read what I said, I already mentioned these discounts don't really apply to special edition models such as the GT, and RS Porsche cars. I also commented that here in Vancouver, in order to even get a chance order these special edition cars, you will need to get on preferred customer list. What it means is that you will need to have had purchased several "regular" Porsches before you can get a chance to buy a GT4, GT3, GT2, etc. What it also means is that you will have taken a bath in depreciation with those "lesser" Porsches before you can finally buy a limited edition Porsche. In

SSFTSX

You are still in lala land. Honda technology is very uniformily developed in All three major markets of Asia/US and domestic Japan.
Honda will still be standing and every month you will be eating your words. Honda has such vast R&D capability that minimal expenses can create such fast and tall SUV like Passport. full half second faster than Pilot with same engine and transmission. Civic platform was designed from ground up to handle Type R capability.

French has practically order Germany to concentrate on Digital technologies and semi conductors. and completely eliminate support for German car industry. Once EU develop its own industry. they are going to completely throw out any Korean and Taiwanese firms. They dont have any standing with them.

French managers are giving interviews every where.

TSX69

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...ess-challenges

American Honda Sales Continue Recovery, Despite Inventory Issues and COVID-19 Business Challenges

• Release
• Photos

July 1, 2020 Steady sales reflect good demand while variable supplies limit potential


American Honda Q2 Total

293,502
-27.9%
Cars

122,665
-34.5%
Trucks

170,837
-22.3%
Total

27,458
-26.5%
Cars

6,828
-33.8%
Trucks

20,630
-23.8%
Total

266,044
-28.1%
Cars

115,837
-34.5%
Trucks

150,207
-22.1%
American Honda June Total

114,774
-15.5%
Cars

45,886
-25.9%
Trucks

68,888
-6.9%
Total

12,071
-0.6%
Cars

2,684
-15.9%
Trucks

9,387
4.8%
Total

102,703
-17%
Cars

43,202
-26.4%
Trucks

59,501
-8.5%



“We’ve returned to business with April to June sales stronger than we could have expected, with the pace of recovery accelerating in the second half of the quarter,” said Dave Gardner, executive vice president of Auto Sales at American Honda Motor Co., Inc. “We’re running a bit lean on inventory, but our dealers have been remarkably nimble in adapting to one of the greatest challenges our industry has ever seen and our production team is working extra days this week to supply our customers. Now, we anxiously anticipate the arrival of the all-new Acura TLX to bring some real excitement to Acura showrooms.”

American Honda COVID-19 Support: The Honda and Acura brands are offering select and eligible first responders and healthcare professionals a $1,000 discount on new vehicles financed or leased through Honda Financial Services or Acura Financial Services through July 6.



BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights

June sales continued the recovery that started in May, though supply issues limited sales potential on several fronts. Still, truck sales came within 8.5% of June 2019.

• Pilot sales topped June 2019, rising 4.7% on sales of 12,128 units.
• CR-V posted a solid performance with sales of 26,488 vehicles.
• Civic continues to lead the industry in passenger car retail sales in 2020, strengthened by sales of 23,260 units in June.

Model Notes
Honda ranks #1 in America with the highest fleet average fuel economy and lowest CO2 emissions of any full-line automaker.



BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights

Acura sales returned to a normal pace in June, virtually equaling the previous June sales with trucks leading the way.

• Acura truck sales climbed a total of 4.8% in June.
• RDX had its strongest sales month since December, gaining 11.1% over June 2019 on sales of 5,410 units.
• MDX deliveries reached 3,977 for the month, also its best sales result since December

Model Notes
The all-new 2021 Acura TLX arrives early this fall as the brand’s quickest, best-handling and most well-appointed sedan in the brand's 35-year history. The new model debuted digitally on May 28th and was received enthusiastically by dealers and prospective customers.



# # #

SSFTSX

Acura TLX still ahead of imported home delivery brand Genesis for the month. Korea production started much earlier than US honda.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301087045.html
Genesis Motor America today reported sales of 1,429 units in June 2020, a 24.3 percent decrease compared with the prior year

biker

That RLX is flying off the lots, Honda should discontinue models more often.

Edward'TLS

The key is not about discontinued models. The key is about heavy dealer discounts.

If all Honda models can be as heavily discounted as the current RLX, then Honda will need to build a lot more factories to keep up with the demands.

YEH

Genesis has more than 13k pre-orders for the GV80, which is at a higher price point than anything Acura sells in any significant volume.

Also, in addition to Genesis having an ATP $10k more than Acura, its incentive spending as a % of ATP is also lower than Acura's.

YTD
Genesis - 12.1%
Acura - 14.3%

And this is despite Genesis yet selling any CUVs here, along with the G80 about to be replaced.

Hyundai and Honda are both at 8.5%.

SSFTSX

you do realize Honda/Acura factories in US were shut much longer than Hyundia/Kia factories in Korea.
despite lack of inventory. Acura TLX surpass all the Geneiss Brand.
stop embarrassing every month with so called Pre-orders. Every month goes by and no sales materialize. Just fake paper deposits and deeply subsidized sales and leases. Total worthless numbers coming out from b utt.



Acura is driven 10k miles more. Drive Genesis10K mile more its used price will be half of TLX.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...151656516.html

2018 Genesis G80 3.8 sedan Casablanca White - $26774

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...152278076.html

2018 Acura TLX A-Spec with Technology Pkg. Red Interior, LOADED - $28400

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd...142242714.html

2019 *Genesis G80* Sedan 3.8 - Genesis - $31959 (novato)

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...140819303.html

2019 Acura TLX w/A-Spec Pkg Red Leather - $33995

I cannot imagine what will next generation TLX will do to this whole Gensis brand.

Honda building Tesla like connect system but at cheaper place. Not paying for overpriced talent.

YEH

^ Taking "examples" from the net means little compared to the studies (like from iseecars) which analyzes all data and the RLX is one of the worst when it comes to resale; plus cheaper models like the TLX do better (but there are examples of really cheap used TLXs as well) which is why the S Class has worse depreciation than some like the C Class).

Plus, none of this actually impacts the manufacturer.

What impacts the manufacturer are sales, ATP and incentive spending.

And for the latter 2, Genesis is already ahead (and drastically when it comes to ATP).

As for sales, Acura is in the lead (in the US) for now, but as Genesis continues to fill out and update its lineup, that gap will narrow sharply (the G80 that is available on the lots hasn't been in production for months).

But in terms of worldwide sales, Genesis is already ahead of Acura.

Genesis made more $ from the sale of 8k+ G80s in May (in Korea) than Acura did from the combined sales of the MDX, RDX and TLX for that month here.

SSFTSX

iseecars is worthless data.
RLX resale value is comparable to other luxury vehicles sedan in that price range . Infact MMC RLX surpass the BMW and MB.
Its individual dealers that are dumping Genesis at far below Acura prices.
Acura is hardly made in Japan. I am sure Honda Japan has its own products and they make there own standards of money. They are not going to dump critical R&D resources on worthless RWD sedans.

1/3 of Overseas sales of H/K group comes from US market. It shows you were talking non sense from begining that H/K group is less exposed to US market than Honda. How many Lies i catched? Honda is least exposed to US market as Honda is big in bike market in Asia. Honda is big in China. Honda is big in domestic Japan. Honda is least exposed to French controlled EU who want to throw all asian products from EU/Africa/Middleast. As i said you live in lala land. Never second guess Honda business and product strategies.


which one you will want to drive?

SSFTSX

Another point is dont compare this car is equal to this car without sense of touch feel of built quality and manufacturing tightness.