Acura: RLX News
11-30-2012, 06:19 PM
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Therein lies the rub... Acura can't even get the RL to take off. In comparison Infiniti has the M35/45, and it's worth keeping around apparently. I'm somehow made to believe that the RL is going to be the flagship, when in comparison it'll be competing with the likes of the E-Class, 5-series, A6, M, etc.
I don't see the RL as a flagship at all either. Who does?
I don't see the RL as a flagship at all either. Who does?
Thats because they cant find any balance. The TL and ZDX where extremes...the TL and overdone extreme of the 3rd gen, which is possibly one of the best acura designs ever.
The ONLY Acura there that impressed me was the NSX...it looks 100X better in person than in photographs.
I still dont think it will be the timeless design the OG is...but I was very impressed seeing with my own eyes vs how I've felt seeing photos the last few months.
The ONLY Acura there that impressed me was the NSX...it looks 100X better in person than in photographs.
I still dont think it will be the timeless design the OG is...but I was very impressed seeing with my own eyes vs how I've felt seeing photos the last few months.
Hmm, what you just said makes me want to see the NSX concept more....
11-30-2012, 06:25 PM
#3762
The sizzle in the Steak
They will determine this with their wallets.
....and just like the previous RLs, very few wallets will be opened for the RLX.
11-30-2012, 06:54 PM
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Itsa me....boooooring car!
I didnt even want to take an interior pic
I didnt even want to take an interior pic
11-30-2012, 06:59 PM
#3764
The sizzle in the Steak
The front fascia looks so vertical in your photo....looks very SUV-ish.
Is it really that vertical?
Is it really that vertical?
11-30-2012, 07:00 PM
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yep. threw me off, too.
11-30-2012, 08:06 PM
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As previously stated, the market will do what it does best with this car.
Give it some time
I've said my peace, and see my wallet safe from the clasps of anyone in the Honda camp.
Give it some time
I've said my peace, and see my wallet safe from the clasps of anyone in the Honda camp.
11-30-2012, 08:23 PM
#3767
Its a myth that RWD cars have lesser overhang.
11-30-2012, 08:31 PM
#3768
Acura can call it whatever they want, but in reality it's the car buying public that will determine whether or not it fits its definition of what a flagship is.
They will determine this with their wallets.
....and just like the previous RLs, very few wallets will be opened for the RLX.
They will determine this with their wallets.
....and just like the previous RLs, very few wallets will be opened for the RLX.
11-30-2012, 08:49 PM
#3769
Been really busy at work all week, so I haven't had a chance to comment on the production RLX yet, but wow this thread went exactly like I could have predicted. On one hand you have the usual cast of characters talking about what a failure the car already is and how Acura/Honda makes nothing but shitty cars and how they're basically already dead.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
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11-30-2012, 09:05 PM
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I think its looks good, inline with the rest of Acuras lineup.
Then again I always been a fan of the RL...horrible resale but a solid car. I do disagree saying it has a lot of technology, besides the hybrid system I do not see anything innovating.
Then again I always been a fan of the RL...horrible resale but a solid car. I do disagree saying it has a lot of technology, besides the hybrid system I do not see anything innovating.
11-30-2012, 09:24 PM
#3771
Its alot of technology for $50k vehicle. 4WS, full LED lights.19inch standard rims, navigation with 3D maps, higher end music system like $6k B&O in Audis.
best in class aerodynamics. extremely light weight for the size of the car consdering its ACE II structure with 4WS.
(previous ACE was the only structure beside newer Volvo that could pass IHS new tests)
It is the most less cluttered centeral stack.
Even the front overhang is not big considering the size of the car.
very elegant lines.
best in class aerodynamics. extremely light weight for the size of the car consdering its ACE II structure with 4WS.
(previous ACE was the only structure beside newer Volvo that could pass IHS new tests)
It is the most less cluttered centeral stack.
Even the front overhang is not big considering the size of the car.
very elegant lines.
11-30-2012, 11:10 PM
#3772
Where are the foglights?
11-30-2012, 11:21 PM
#3773
אני עומד עם ישראל
LOL Acura keeps putting the start button at the bottom of the dash.
11-30-2012, 11:35 PM
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12-01-2012, 05:48 AM
#3775
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Krell
Acura created 1 of the best stock sound systems available, ELS Surround, with the help of Grammy-winning producer Elliot Scheiner. To create something even better for the brand’s new 2014 RLX flagship sedan, Acura is now turning to award-winning high-end audio specialist Krell.
Unless you’re an audiophile, you’ve probably never heard of Krell. But the same could be said of the Mark Levinson system that Lexus introduced more than a decade ago. Now that Mark Levinson has become synonymous with top-shelf audio, Acura is hoping the same thing will happen with the new Krell system. (The RLX is Acura's replacement for the dismal RL sedan, of which just 1,096 sold last year.)
Unlike most luxury automakers, which take a uniform approach to premium audio, Acura isn’t giving ELS the boot to make room for Krell. The 2 audio brands will coexist in separate model lines.
To get the lowdown on why Acura chose Krell and why the 2 companies think that top-shelf audio is still important in the age of the MP3, we spoke with Krell President Bill McKiegan and Acura’s public relations manager, Chuck Schifsky, at the 2012 Los Angeles Auto Show.
Exhaust Notes: Why did Acura chose Krell over ELS for the RLX?
Schifsky: When the development of the RLX started, we knew that the midlevel system in the RLX would be a 10-speaker ELS system in the base car and the high-end system would be Krell’s 14-speaker Studio system. We’ll have more info on the specifics of the Krell system as we get closer to launch. But we knew that we wanted a pinnacle audio system in the car. The main thing we were looking for was a very high-end audio system -- and a very high-end name.
McKiegan: Acura wanted to offer a premium audio product to their top-of-the-line customers, the RLX customer. And we fit that mode of offering performance to the ear but to also give buyers the most for their dollar. And that’s Acura’s core value and belief system. We jumped at the chance to be part of this and designed the system in conjunction with Acura to get sound that Krell is known for in the home environment in the car environment.
EN: Why not just go with a high-end ELS system?
McKiegan: ELS doesn’t make products; [Elliot Scheiner] is a tuner. It’s not his engineering. Panasonic makes the components.
Schifsky: As we looked throughout the audio industry, we knew that a lot of the good names were taken. But our audio guys certainly knew of Krell.
EN: But most car buyers won’t recognize the Krell name.
McKiegan: Clearly we’re a specialty system. But if someone was to do some investigation before buying a premium car and go to our website and check out some of the reviews, they’ll see a 30-year history of phenomenal reviews on our speakers, amplifiers, preamps, CD players and surround sound. Everything we’ve ever done we’ve been at the top of the category that we’ve participated in.
Schifsky: It’s going to take awhile to get that name recognition out. We’re certainly aware of that. But I didn’t know who Mark Levinson was at the time that Lexus launched that system. We think the same thing will happen with Krell. The story is good, the company is good. The products are going to reflect very well on the RLX.
EN: Many people now listen to low-resolution music files. How will spending more for a Krell system in the RLX make a difference?
McKiegan: The technology on our back end is as faithful as possible to the signal we’re given. If that signal is not good, we can’t make it better. But it’s going to be the best that it can be.
EN: Will we see Krell systems in other Acura vehicles?
Schifsky: There's no plan to do that. RLX will be the flagship model. So we really wanted a pinnacle system. The volume will be fairly low. It will be on the Tech Audio and Advanced option packages. The bulk of the sales will come on the midlevel car, and that will be the ELS system. We’re still very committed to ELS. That’s an important point I want to make sure I get across.
Edited from a longer interview.Schifsky: When the development of the RLX started, we knew that the midlevel system in the RLX would be a 10-speaker ELS system in the base car and the high-end system would be Krell’s 14-speaker Studio system. We’ll have more info on the specifics of the Krell system as we get closer to launch. But we knew that we wanted a pinnacle audio system in the car. The main thing we were looking for was a very high-end audio system -- and a very high-end name.
McKiegan: Acura wanted to offer a premium audio product to their top-of-the-line customers, the RLX customer. And we fit that mode of offering performance to the ear but to also give buyers the most for their dollar. And that’s Acura’s core value and belief system. We jumped at the chance to be part of this and designed the system in conjunction with Acura to get sound that Krell is known for in the home environment in the car environment.
EN: Why not just go with a high-end ELS system?
McKiegan: ELS doesn’t make products; [Elliot Scheiner] is a tuner. It’s not his engineering. Panasonic makes the components.
Schifsky: As we looked throughout the audio industry, we knew that a lot of the good names were taken. But our audio guys certainly knew of Krell.
EN: But most car buyers won’t recognize the Krell name.
McKiegan: Clearly we’re a specialty system. But if someone was to do some investigation before buying a premium car and go to our website and check out some of the reviews, they’ll see a 30-year history of phenomenal reviews on our speakers, amplifiers, preamps, CD players and surround sound. Everything we’ve ever done we’ve been at the top of the category that we’ve participated in.
Schifsky: It’s going to take awhile to get that name recognition out. We’re certainly aware of that. But I didn’t know who Mark Levinson was at the time that Lexus launched that system. We think the same thing will happen with Krell. The story is good, the company is good. The products are going to reflect very well on the RLX.
EN: Many people now listen to low-resolution music files. How will spending more for a Krell system in the RLX make a difference?
McKiegan: The technology on our back end is as faithful as possible to the signal we’re given. If that signal is not good, we can’t make it better. But it’s going to be the best that it can be.
EN: Will we see Krell systems in other Acura vehicles?
Schifsky: There's no plan to do that. RLX will be the flagship model. So we really wanted a pinnacle system. The volume will be fairly low. It will be on the Tech Audio and Advanced option packages. The bulk of the sales will come on the midlevel car, and that will be the ELS system. We’re still very committed to ELS. That’s an important point I want to make sure I get across.
12-01-2012, 05:59 AM
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Forbes
Acura is an enigma. It has been for some time, with car designs bordering on the bizarre and a baffling strategy that results in its own products being pitted against each other.
But the all-new RLX sedan, unveiled at the Los Angeles Auto Show, is a step in the right direction. It replaces the mediocre RL sedan, which wasn’t remarkable enough to distinguish itself from the less expensive TL, so instead ended up competing with it.
The RLX is a 2014 model that’ll go on sale in the spring, with a hybrid version to follow later in 2013.
It represents a sea change for Acura: the handsome, if unexciting, styling and innovative underpinnings finally give the company a distinguished flagship to showcase the best of its new design and technology. And the change comes just in time, as competition in the luxury sedan segment heats up with new and improved models from competitors such as Cadillac and Lexus.
Some might balk at the RLX’s conservative styling. It doesn’t break new ground or offer much wow factor. But it’s clearly an improvement over the RL’s design and attractive enough to appeal to the practical, value-conscious buyer that gravitates toward Acura.
Whether it’s distinguished enough to keep the RLX from getting cross-shopped with Hondas and Toyotas, as many current Acuras are, is another issue entirely.
The headlights, each 1 with 10 LEDs stacked in 2 rows, are the most striking exterior feature. Headlights with LED technology—which use less power, but shine brighter—are in vogue and tend to be pricey options on other cars. They are standard on all RLX models, in keeping with Acura’s strategy of offering more than the competition for less money.
On the outside, the 2014 Acura RLX is a midsize sedan. On the inside, it’s almost full-size. The rear seat is considerably more spacious than the cramped one on the RL. Acura says the RLX has up to 3 inches more rear leg room than the Audi A6, BMW 535i and Lexus GS350. That’s a significant advantage.
Acoustic glass and wheels designed to lower tire noise by 7 decibels should make for a quieter ride. Many of the buttons and knobs that overwhelmed the center console of the discontinued RL have been replaced with a touchscreen, which sits below the main display screen. Having 2 screens in the dashboard seems odd, but if it improves ergonomics, the change is worth it.
The RLX is lighter than the car it replaces. The use of high-strength steel and aluminum in the body helps trim 275 pounds compared with the RL, and the improvement in fuel efficiency is an impressive 20%.
A new 310-horsepower V6 that drives the front wheels and gets an estimated 24 miles per gallon overall will be the only engine available when the car goes on sale in spring.
The discontinued RL did not offer a hybrid version, but the RLX will. A new hybrid system that uses a gas engine to power the front wheels and electric motors to power the rear wheels will be introduced sometime in 2013. Combined output will be 370 hp with estimated fuel economy of 30 mpg overall.
The RLX is going to be Acura’s 2nd hybrid. The company recently launched the 2013 Acura ILX Hybrid, a compact premium sedan.
1 feature debuting on the RLX that Acura touts as unique to the brand is Precision All-Wheel Steer, which uses the rear wheels to better steer the car through turns and keep it more stable when changing lanes.
“It will represent a distinct competitive advantage over conventional rear-wheel-drive cars,” said Jeff Conrad, vice president and general manager of Acura, at the car’s unveiling in L.A. His statement takes aim at BMW and Mercedes-Benz, whose rear-wheel-drive sedans are among the best sellers in the luxury category and have traditionally been viewed as having superior driving dynamics.
All-wheel steering is not new, though. Honda offered it on the Prelude starting in 1990. Various other automakers, including BMW and Mitsubishi, have offered it over the years as well.
As with all the new premium sedans, the Acura RLX will be overflowing with high-tech and luxury features: fancy leather, rear window shades, parking sensors, multi-angle back-up camera, cruise control that acts like an autopilot, accident avoidance technology and so on.
Still, Acura promises a driving experience that connects the driver to the car and to the road—which Conrad referred to as “man-machine synergy.” Exactly how well the new RLX delivers on this promise could be the key to conquering buyers that might otherwise favor European luxury brands.
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12-01-2012, 09:12 AM
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I will applaud Ack's reasoning for using Krell for their audio system. Krell makes some of the finest audio gear in the world. I just wish Ack was as concerned with the way the car looks. Maybe Krell will trickle down to other Hondack products.
12-01-2012, 05:15 PM
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Acura can call it whatever they want, but in reality it's the car buying public that will determine whether or not it fits its definition of what a flagship is.
They will determine this with their wallets.
....and just like the previous RLs, very few wallets will be opened for the RLX.
They will determine this with their wallets.
....and just like the previous RLs, very few wallets will be opened for the RLX.
Been really busy at work all week, so I haven't had a chance to comment on the production RLX yet, but wow this thread went exactly like I could have predicted. On one hand you have the usual cast of characters talking about what a failure the car already is and how Acura/Honda makes nothing but shitty cars and how they're basically already dead.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
12-01-2012, 05:25 PM
#3780
I have been looking over their press release and all I have been seeing is brackets (Acura First) beside many of the RLX's updates. Such things like, mulit-view back up camera, parking sensors, sunshades, LED lights, etc etc. Some of these things have been around for years in entry level cars let alone flagships and now even mainstream vehicles.
The P-AWS system is nice but again not innovative and e-SHAWD is also nice but by the time its released it will be close to when e-Quattro will be also released for the next model year, which will steal alot of its thunder.
With the exception of e-SHAWD this new RLX seems like a vehicle that has finally caught up to the rest of the industry, but unfortunately the rest of the industry is still moving forward.....hopefully Acura will keep pace this time and not let the RL (RLX) die a slow death again.
12-01-2012, 05:38 PM
#3781
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Been really busy at work all week, so I haven't had a chance to comment on the production RLX yet, but wow this thread went exactly like I could have predicted. On one hand you have the usual cast of characters talking about what a failure the car already is and how Acura/Honda makes nothing but shitty cars and how they're basically already dead.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
12-01-2012, 08:16 PM
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I agree with you here.
I have been looking over their press release and all I have been seeing is brackets (Acura First) beside many of the RLX's updates. Such things like, mulit-view back up camera, parking sensors, sunshades, LED lights, etc etc. Some of these things have been around for years in entry level cars let alone flagships and now even mainstream vehicles.
The P-AWS system is nice but again not innovative and e-SHAWD is also nice but by the time its released it will be close to when e-Quattro will be also released for the next model year, which will steal alot of its thunder.
With the exception of e-SHAWD this new RLX seems like a vehicle that has finally caught up to the rest of the industry, but unfortunately the rest of the industry is still moving forward.....hopefully Acura will keep pace this time and not let the RL (RLX) die a slow death again.
I have been looking over their press release and all I have been seeing is brackets (Acura First) beside many of the RLX's updates. Such things like, mulit-view back up camera, parking sensors, sunshades, LED lights, etc etc. Some of these things have been around for years in entry level cars let alone flagships and now even mainstream vehicles.
The P-AWS system is nice but again not innovative and e-SHAWD is also nice but by the time its released it will be close to when e-Quattro will be also released for the next model year, which will steal alot of its thunder.
With the exception of e-SHAWD this new RLX seems like a vehicle that has finally caught up to the rest of the industry, but unfortunately the rest of the industry is still moving forward.....hopefully Acura will keep pace this time and not let the RL (RLX) die a slow death again.
On the other hand, these are what I see that say "an Acura first":
Jewel-Eye LED headlights - the only mainstream model that I can think of with LED headlights is the Accord
Agile Handling Assist - yea, this sounds like some sort of brake-assist torque vectoring system which quite a few cars have already.
Electric Parking Brake - many luxury cars have
Automatic Brake Hold - many luxury cars have and even some main stream cars have this
Capless fueling - hmm I have never heard of this to be honest.....
eQuattro seems to be a simplified version of eSH-AWD. I think it uses one electric motor to power the rear wheels. The eSH-AWD system on the other hand has 3 motors and I'd imagine that would allow torque vectoring to be felt more easily.
Anyway, for me, I'd wait for road tests to see if the new features/technologies are really that innovative. For instance, 4WS doesn't sound innovative because Honda had it 20+ years ago. However, I think it's important to know how well the system works in the RLX before saying it's nothing special.
12-02-2012, 12:29 AM
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12-02-2012, 02:17 AM
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I think he meant in terms of comparing it to Acura. Ie, there are many notable "firsts" mentioned in the press release, but some of those "firsts" can already be seen in other luxury makers, as well as in Hondas, hence the LED in the Accord reference.
12-02-2012, 02:59 AM
#3785
Those are much more expensive cars than RLX. You wont find thise jewel eye LED in $50k car.
LED lamps are part of $8K package on LS.
LED is optional package of GS450h.
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/11...-of-light.html
Acura's New RLX Sports 20 Beams of Light on its Headlamps [w/Video]
LED lamps are part of $8K package on LS.
LED is optional package of GS450h.
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/11...-of-light.html
Acura's New RLX Sports 20 Beams of Light on its Headlamps [w/Video]
12-02-2012, 10:20 AM
#3786
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^ you do know the link you provided blasts the RLX and said the only noteworthy feature on the car is the LED headlamps and it's basically a $50k Accord?
12-02-2012, 04:02 PM
#3787
whats wrong with Accord? there is $35K 328i and $65K BMW M3. (M3 has same electronics as 328i with noisy interior).
there is $45k 528i and $90k M5.
Altima/Maxima/M56 look the same. All lexus look the same from $36k ES to $120K LS600h. There is no point expecting any different from Honda as they will be selling this as Honda Legend in rest of the world.
Accord does not have higher end stereo, Jewel LED, DI engine, Double wishbone suspension, special noise reducing rims, much thicker acoustic glass, city traffic cruise control, 3inch larger wheel base,2 inch increase in width, higher end navigation system. (BMW use the same across the lineup).I am not even going into 4WS/eSH-AWD/3 motor hybrid/much more sound proofing.
There is absolutely nothing of Accord in RLX.
there is $45k 528i and $90k M5.
Altima/Maxima/M56 look the same. All lexus look the same from $36k ES to $120K LS600h. There is no point expecting any different from Honda as they will be selling this as Honda Legend in rest of the world.
Accord does not have higher end stereo, Jewel LED, DI engine, Double wishbone suspension, special noise reducing rims, much thicker acoustic glass, city traffic cruise control, 3inch larger wheel base,2 inch increase in width, higher end navigation system. (BMW use the same across the lineup).I am not even going into 4WS/eSH-AWD/3 motor hybrid/much more sound proofing.
There is absolutely nothing of Accord in RLX.
12-02-2012, 04:07 PM
#3788
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12-02-2012, 04:08 PM
#3789
does this have lanewatch like the accord?
12-02-2012, 04:25 PM
#3790
Once you sit inside no one is going to mistake it for Accord. there is no stupid dakota leather. THere is auto dimming side mirror. Every component has individual quality.
There is no evidence that M5 is quieter than 550 or 328i. on other RLX AWD will be no less quieter than RLX FWD despite tremendous performance advantage. over 400 Ft-lb of instant electric torque. This is called delivering performance with refinement.
This is M5
BMW 550.
There is no evidence that M5 is quieter than 550 or 328i. on other RLX AWD will be no less quieter than RLX FWD despite tremendous performance advantage. over 400 Ft-lb of instant electric torque. This is called delivering performance with refinement.
This is M5
BMW 550.
12-02-2012, 04:38 PM
#3791
Accord is LDW only. RLX has addtional LKA. incase ur wondering in lane after long drive or use hands to push other buttons. There is agile handling assist that helps in going into exit with higher speeds.
RLX does not share steering wheel design with Accord.
This Active lane keep assistance is part of $3k package on MB E350.
RLX does not share steering wheel design with Accord.
This Active lane keep assistance is part of $3k package on MB E350.
12-02-2012, 05:55 PM
#3793
The more I look at the RLX and read up about it I'm pretty happy with Acura and Honda for the outcome.
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Everyone is so quick to piss on the parade, and I'm not so sure it's not deserved since H/A have been pretty retarded and lazy these last few years. <o:p></o:p>
But starting with the appearance, while I do think it is probably the blandest to come out of the design center of recent, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Everyone is quick to compare it to the 3G TL. Until the Type-S, I thought the TL was a pretty bland looking car as well. There really isn't anything crazy about it, that's where the appeal comes from. The 3G was a clean, understated design with a good overall balance and a uniform look from front to back. The 3G didn't sell based on looks alone. It sold more on pricing compared to the competition than appearance.
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While bland, I don't think the RLX looks bad, per say. I know some still hate the grille, you can't please everyone and I'm sure it will still be a dealbreaker for some, but the rest of the car is clean. The front overhang isn't massive (seems like everyone gets in a rage about that), the roofline smooth and clean, the rear end doesn't look out of place and matches the front, design-wise. The wheels are simple to match the rest of the car.
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I'm just happy the car looks balanced and understated rather than "aggressive" and polarizing. Remember the last time Acura tried to create an "aggressive" sedan? 4G TL?
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And Jesus, what's with all the "it looks like an Accord" comments. Acura and Honda have always looked similar. The 3G TL, to me, doesn't look too far from a 2007 Accord. Similar window lines, 5 point grill, boring lower front fascias, etc. Sure the TL has a more executed design, (better exhaust tips, sculpted rear taillights, etc.) but the blueprint's overall aren't far from each other.
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What new Volkswagen sedan doesn't look like an Audi, sans huge front grille? I don't think majority of buyers are steering clear of Audi because it looks like a Volkswagen.
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I realize Acura doesn't have the brand image or prestige like other luxury sedans but a company can't just demand that overnight. It takes time, and with Acura having slid down the charts the last few years, it will take time to get some of the lost pride back.
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Furthermore, with the exception of those companies known for excellent design, (Jaguar, Maserati, & Mercedes until as of late come to mind) bigger sedans are harder to design. The more metal you have the more spread out design elements are going to be, thus a lot of flat, smooth metal. Smaller to mid-size sedans are easier to coordinate creases as the design elements can easily run into one another, front to back. If the RLX didn't have that sweeping crease from the over the front wheel it would appear pretty slab-sided from the side.
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Everyone is getting so butt hurt over Acura calling it a flagship. Yeah it's sad that Acura calls it that because it doesn't really qualify as "flagship" status among other luxury brands, but it's only referred to that because there's nothing above it in price at the moment. Everyone calm down, no one is going to kidnap your kids because the RLX doesn't square up to an S600. <o:p></o:p>
As far as performance, I'm thrilled Acura is getting the chance to exercise some brand firsts like the AWS, DCT, hybrid all-wheel drive. Seems like everyone is pissed because the base model RLX is boring. Duh it is. It's the base model.
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No one here (automotive enthusiasts) would choose the base model FWD A6 over an S6.
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Acura has halted the RL redesign so many times it's no surprise it took 27,000 years to get a replacement to market. So many directional changes and some priorities are bound to get shifted. Everyone gets so focused on the details we lose the big picture.
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Be glad Acura is making SOME progress in the right direction towards more luxurious, fun to drive, cars. I doubt the RLX is going to be as good as it gets, give the company some time to get things going. They've got a direction now, the real R&D will start to show soon enough. The company can't just throw out an amazing world-beater with one redesign since they've been resting on laurels for so long.
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As far as the car's success goes, pricing and marketing will tell the tale. As much as I love Acura I sadly have a feeling (ILX pricing) they will command too much of a premium for it.<o:p></o:p>
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Everyone is so quick to piss on the parade, and I'm not so sure it's not deserved since H/A have been pretty retarded and lazy these last few years. <o:p></o:p>
But starting with the appearance, while I do think it is probably the blandest to come out of the design center of recent, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Everyone is quick to compare it to the 3G TL. Until the Type-S, I thought the TL was a pretty bland looking car as well. There really isn't anything crazy about it, that's where the appeal comes from. The 3G was a clean, understated design with a good overall balance and a uniform look from front to back. The 3G didn't sell based on looks alone. It sold more on pricing compared to the competition than appearance.
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While bland, I don't think the RLX looks bad, per say. I know some still hate the grille, you can't please everyone and I'm sure it will still be a dealbreaker for some, but the rest of the car is clean. The front overhang isn't massive (seems like everyone gets in a rage about that), the roofline smooth and clean, the rear end doesn't look out of place and matches the front, design-wise. The wheels are simple to match the rest of the car.
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I'm just happy the car looks balanced and understated rather than "aggressive" and polarizing. Remember the last time Acura tried to create an "aggressive" sedan? 4G TL?
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And Jesus, what's with all the "it looks like an Accord" comments. Acura and Honda have always looked similar. The 3G TL, to me, doesn't look too far from a 2007 Accord. Similar window lines, 5 point grill, boring lower front fascias, etc. Sure the TL has a more executed design, (better exhaust tips, sculpted rear taillights, etc.) but the blueprint's overall aren't far from each other.
<o:p></o:p>
What new Volkswagen sedan doesn't look like an Audi, sans huge front grille? I don't think majority of buyers are steering clear of Audi because it looks like a Volkswagen.
<o:p></o:p>
I realize Acura doesn't have the brand image or prestige like other luxury sedans but a company can't just demand that overnight. It takes time, and with Acura having slid down the charts the last few years, it will take time to get some of the lost pride back.
<o:p></o:p>
Furthermore, with the exception of those companies known for excellent design, (Jaguar, Maserati, & Mercedes until as of late come to mind) bigger sedans are harder to design. The more metal you have the more spread out design elements are going to be, thus a lot of flat, smooth metal. Smaller to mid-size sedans are easier to coordinate creases as the design elements can easily run into one another, front to back. If the RLX didn't have that sweeping crease from the over the front wheel it would appear pretty slab-sided from the side.
<o:p></o:p>
Everyone is getting so butt hurt over Acura calling it a flagship. Yeah it's sad that Acura calls it that because it doesn't really qualify as "flagship" status among other luxury brands, but it's only referred to that because there's nothing above it in price at the moment. Everyone calm down, no one is going to kidnap your kids because the RLX doesn't square up to an S600. <o:p></o:p>
As far as performance, I'm thrilled Acura is getting the chance to exercise some brand firsts like the AWS, DCT, hybrid all-wheel drive. Seems like everyone is pissed because the base model RLX is boring. Duh it is. It's the base model.
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No one here (automotive enthusiasts) would choose the base model FWD A6 over an S6.
<o:p></o:p>
Acura has halted the RL redesign so many times it's no surprise it took 27,000 years to get a replacement to market. So many directional changes and some priorities are bound to get shifted. Everyone gets so focused on the details we lose the big picture.
<o:p></o:p>
Be glad Acura is making SOME progress in the right direction towards more luxurious, fun to drive, cars. I doubt the RLX is going to be as good as it gets, give the company some time to get things going. They've got a direction now, the real R&D will start to show soon enough. The company can't just throw out an amazing world-beater with one redesign since they've been resting on laurels for so long.
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As far as the car's success goes, pricing and marketing will tell the tale. As much as I love Acura I sadly have a feeling (ILX pricing) they will command too much of a premium for it.<o:p></o:p>
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12-03-2012, 01:21 AM
#3794
TORRANCE, Calif., Nov. 28, 2012 -- /PRNewswire/ -- Acura today announced the next generation AcuraLink® cloud-based connected car system that will debut in early 2013 on the all-new 2014 Acura RLX luxury sedan. AcuraLink services are now available via new embedded technology and web-enabled devices tethered to the car, bringing a broad range of convenience, media and security features to the new flagship RLX sedan.
Featuring one of the first luxury-brand OEM applications of Aha™ by Harman, the next generation of AcuraLink connects drivers to thousands of personalized cloud-based news, information and media feeds from around the world, using an intuitive, audio-system based interface. In RLX models equipped with the Acura Navigation System, the new AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ service includes updated freeway and—for the first time—surface-street traffic, giving the RLX owner a clear picture of driving conditions, and the added efficiency of automatic rerouting to help find the quickest path to a destination.
"We have a lot of sophisticated customers who use today's smartphones and other tools to stay connected to the people, music and media they love," said Charles Koch, Large Project Leader for AcuraLink. "The next generation of AcuraLink is designed to let them conveniently do that in the car, while keeping their eyes on the road and without having to pick up their phone."
When equipped with the navigation system, the RLX's screen can display regularly updated traffic information including traffic flow, incidents and construction on freeways and surface streets. The information is from probe traffic, a system that tracks the real-time movements of vehicles on the road to generate up-to-date flow information. The system can automatically recalculate a more efficient detour based on surface street escapes, providing improved route suggestions, when traffic congestion or road incidents are detected along the route. An Eco Route feature factors in traffic condition, incline of the road and fuel consumption data, providing a more fuel efficient route.
"Using a cloud-based strategy, this is the next generation of the connected car," said Koch. "In particular, the surface-street traffic feature took a lot of proprietary development. This is the first time that this near real-time surface street traffic information has been fully integrated into a vehicle."
AcuraLink, Acura's two-way vehicle data connectivity system, was first launched in 2004 in the 2005 Acura RL. The new generation of the system makes its debut in navigation-equipped trims of the 2014 Acura RLX, and will be available in three-tiers of service: the Standard Package, which is complimentary for three years, and the Connect and Premium Packages, which are subscriber-based services providing new levels of connectivity for the luxury customer.
Standard Package
The AcuraLink Standard Package includes both embedded and tethered connected services, and comes available on the following RLX packages: RLX with Navigation, Technology, Krell and Advance grades. Embedded features include the traffic and driver messaging features.
The new AcuraLink smartphone application allows owners to preset preferences on their phone. The owner can take their programmed smartphone into the new RLX and enjoy thousands of channels of personalized content accessible via audio controls, steering-wheel-mounted controls, and through a new color touch screen. With a tethered, compatible smartphone serving as a conduit to a universe of cloud-based media, AcuraLink creates a unique, connected driving experience.
Through the Aha service, AcuraLink users can listen to tens of thousands of stations of streaming feeds from Twitter and Facebook, podcasts from NPR™, location-based personalized restaurant searches from Yelp, or access internet music services such as Slacker. The service is free and instantly accessible from the cloud. AcuraLink also incorporates Pandora® personalized internet radio interface and text-to-voice SMS text services with pre-programmed responses.
Complete set of Standard Package features include:
AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ with freeway traffic and all-new surface street traffic (complimentary for three years)
Acura vehicle feature guide
Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® mobile phone connectivity
SMS text message function
Email function
Pandora interface
Aha: Internet radio, personalized music, news, podcasts, audio books, Facebook and Twitter
SiriusXM™ Radio (available in all RLX trims)
Connect Package
The fee-based AcuraLink Connect Package includes all of the features in the Standard Package and incorporates an embedded cellular phone in the RLX to raise the level of convenience, emergency and security services. Automated crash notification, and an emergency "SOS" call feature via the enhanced embedded system provide added piece of mind. With a press of the overhead "Link" button, the owner can receive automated voice help with restaurant and hotel info, movie listings, flight/gate information, or have a destination sent to the RLX's navigation system. A new in-vehicle local search feature allows the user to browse nearby information, points of interest and much more. Using the free AcuraLink mobile app on a compatible device, the owner can remotely lock and unlock their RLX, check out traffic on their electronic device, send a destination to the car or receive notification if the owner's vehicle alarm has been triggered.
In-Car Features:
Automated crash notification and location
Emergency connect with live operator
Local search
Automated service appointments
Search by Voice
AcuraLink Mobile App Features
Send to vehicle (points of interest and contacts)
Pedestrian navigation and routing
Virtual dashboard and vehicle profile
Remote diagnostics
Car finder
AcuraLink emergency remote door lock/unlock
Vehicle alarm notification
Stolen vehicle tracking
Parking meter assist
Virtual Dashboard and Vehicle Profile
Premium Package
The Premium Package adds a live mobile concierge service that can be contacted by a single touch of the overhead "Link" button. The live-operator concierge is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to provide advanced help with a destination and send it directly to the user's navigation system, make reservations on their behalf, update the user on weather, stocks and much more.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/28/501...#storylink=cpy
Featuring one of the first luxury-brand OEM applications of Aha™ by Harman, the next generation of AcuraLink connects drivers to thousands of personalized cloud-based news, information and media feeds from around the world, using an intuitive, audio-system based interface. In RLX models equipped with the Acura Navigation System, the new AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ service includes updated freeway and—for the first time—surface-street traffic, giving the RLX owner a clear picture of driving conditions, and the added efficiency of automatic rerouting to help find the quickest path to a destination.
"We have a lot of sophisticated customers who use today's smartphones and other tools to stay connected to the people, music and media they love," said Charles Koch, Large Project Leader for AcuraLink. "The next generation of AcuraLink is designed to let them conveniently do that in the car, while keeping their eyes on the road and without having to pick up their phone."
When equipped with the navigation system, the RLX's screen can display regularly updated traffic information including traffic flow, incidents and construction on freeways and surface streets. The information is from probe traffic, a system that tracks the real-time movements of vehicles on the road to generate up-to-date flow information. The system can automatically recalculate a more efficient detour based on surface street escapes, providing improved route suggestions, when traffic congestion or road incidents are detected along the route. An Eco Route feature factors in traffic condition, incline of the road and fuel consumption data, providing a more fuel efficient route.
"Using a cloud-based strategy, this is the next generation of the connected car," said Koch. "In particular, the surface-street traffic feature took a lot of proprietary development. This is the first time that this near real-time surface street traffic information has been fully integrated into a vehicle."
AcuraLink, Acura's two-way vehicle data connectivity system, was first launched in 2004 in the 2005 Acura RL. The new generation of the system makes its debut in navigation-equipped trims of the 2014 Acura RLX, and will be available in three-tiers of service: the Standard Package, which is complimentary for three years, and the Connect and Premium Packages, which are subscriber-based services providing new levels of connectivity for the luxury customer.
Standard Package
The AcuraLink Standard Package includes both embedded and tethered connected services, and comes available on the following RLX packages: RLX with Navigation, Technology, Krell and Advance grades. Embedded features include the traffic and driver messaging features.
The new AcuraLink smartphone application allows owners to preset preferences on their phone. The owner can take their programmed smartphone into the new RLX and enjoy thousands of channels of personalized content accessible via audio controls, steering-wheel-mounted controls, and through a new color touch screen. With a tethered, compatible smartphone serving as a conduit to a universe of cloud-based media, AcuraLink creates a unique, connected driving experience.
Through the Aha service, AcuraLink users can listen to tens of thousands of stations of streaming feeds from Twitter and Facebook, podcasts from NPR™, location-based personalized restaurant searches from Yelp, or access internet music services such as Slacker. The service is free and instantly accessible from the cloud. AcuraLink also incorporates Pandora® personalized internet radio interface and text-to-voice SMS text services with pre-programmed responses.
Complete set of Standard Package features include:
AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ with freeway traffic and all-new surface street traffic (complimentary for three years)
Acura vehicle feature guide
Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® mobile phone connectivity
SMS text message function
Email function
Pandora interface
Aha: Internet radio, personalized music, news, podcasts, audio books, Facebook and Twitter
SiriusXM™ Radio (available in all RLX trims)
Connect Package
The fee-based AcuraLink Connect Package includes all of the features in the Standard Package and incorporates an embedded cellular phone in the RLX to raise the level of convenience, emergency and security services. Automated crash notification, and an emergency "SOS" call feature via the enhanced embedded system provide added piece of mind. With a press of the overhead "Link" button, the owner can receive automated voice help with restaurant and hotel info, movie listings, flight/gate information, or have a destination sent to the RLX's navigation system. A new in-vehicle local search feature allows the user to browse nearby information, points of interest and much more. Using the free AcuraLink mobile app on a compatible device, the owner can remotely lock and unlock their RLX, check out traffic on their electronic device, send a destination to the car or receive notification if the owner's vehicle alarm has been triggered.
In-Car Features:
Automated crash notification and location
Emergency connect with live operator
Local search
Automated service appointments
Search by Voice
AcuraLink Mobile App Features
Send to vehicle (points of interest and contacts)
Pedestrian navigation and routing
Virtual dashboard and vehicle profile
Remote diagnostics
Car finder
AcuraLink emergency remote door lock/unlock
Vehicle alarm notification
Stolen vehicle tracking
Parking meter assist
Virtual Dashboard and Vehicle Profile
Premium Package
The Premium Package adds a live mobile concierge service that can be contacted by a single touch of the overhead "Link" button. The live-operator concierge is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to provide advanced help with a destination and send it directly to the user's navigation system, make reservations on their behalf, update the user on weather, stocks and much more.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/28/501...#storylink=cpy
12-03-2012, 11:49 AM
#3795
Team Owner
Been really busy at work all week, so I haven't had a chance to comment on the production RLX yet, but wow this thread went exactly like I could have predicted. On one hand you have the usual cast of characters talking about what a failure the car already is and how Acura/Honda makes nothing but shitty cars and how they're basically already dead.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
On the other you have another usual cast of characters talking about how wonderful the RLX is and how Honda/Acura can do no wrong. I mean honestly, feels like it's scripted sometimes around here with these threads.
Anyway, back on topic the RLX could compete very well. The exterior is a bit on the bland side, but it's inoffensive and I don't think looks will turn anyone away. But, by the same token, looks also probably won't bring anyone into the showroom. The interior looks extremely well executed though, the materials look very high quality and the execution is very clean. Acura always seems to do interiors well, I tend to put them right behind Audi for the best interior layouts among luxury manufacturers.
Acura needs to realize that the technology is what they need to market for this car though. The technology they are putting into the RLX is impressive, but it isn't the flashy stuff that you can see instantly, and that could be a problem. Perfect example is the current trend of giving cars a HUD. It looks really cool, but in the end is somewhat pointless. Do you have polarized sunglasses? Congrats! You just wasted $2000 for that option.
It was interesting though, someone on Temple of VTEC made a thread comparing all the cars in the RLX's class (A6, 535i, GS, etc) and put in pictures of all the cars from the same angle. To be honest, none of them are really "lookers" in the class, they actually all are fairly bland.
Acura/RLX does not have that option, so Acura needs to be MUCH better cars inside and outside just to be able to compete.
12-03-2012, 12:30 PM
#3796
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May be I wasn't being clear....by mainstream, I'm talking more about cars that are cheaper than the RLX. You are talking about cars that are $80k+ here...
I'm mostly referring to this part of his post,
"Some of these things have been around for years in entry level cars let alone flagships and now even mainstream vehicles"
Yes, but you gotta do it step by step. We all know how much time Acura wasted already and how that had negatively impacted the brand. They also certainly can'y afford another 4G TL disaster.
+1.
"Some of these things have been around for years in entry level cars let alone flagships and now even mainstream vehicles"
Yes. Except A6, 535I and GS got the "name brand" to back them up, so regardless what they look like or how shitty their performance are, they will sell.
Acura/RLX does not have that option, so Acura needs to be MUCH better cars inside and outside just to be able to compete.
Acura/RLX does not have that option, so Acura needs to be MUCH better cars inside and outside just to be able to compete.
The more I look at the RLX and read up about it I'm pretty happy with Acura and Honda for the outcome.
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Everyone is so quick to piss on the parade, and I'm not so sure it's not deserved since H/A have been pretty retarded and lazy these last few years. <o:p></o:p>
But starting with the appearance, while I do think it is probably the blandest to come out of the design center of recent, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Everyone is quick to compare it to the 3G TL. Until the Type-S, I thought the TL was a pretty bland looking car as well. There really isn't anything crazy about it, that's where the appeal comes from. The 3G was a clean, understated design with a good overall balance and a uniform look from front to back. The 3G didn't sell based on looks alone. It sold more on pricing compared to the competition than appearance.
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While bland, I don't think the RLX looks bad, per say. I know some still hate the grille, you can't please everyone and I'm sure it will still be a dealbreaker for some, but the rest of the car is clean. The front overhang isn't massive (seems like everyone gets in a rage about that), the roofline smooth and clean, the rear end doesn't look out of place and matches the front, design-wise. The wheels are simple to match the rest of the car.
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I'm just happy the car looks balanced and understated rather than "aggressive" and polarizing. Remember the last time Acura tried to create an "aggressive" sedan? 4G TL?
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And Jesus, what's with all the "it looks like an Accord" comments. Acura and Honda have always looked similar. The 3G TL, to me, doesn't look too far from a 2007 Accord. Similar window lines, 5 point grill, boring lower front fascias, etc. Sure the TL has a more executed design, (better exhaust tips, sculpted rear taillights, etc.) but the blueprint's overall aren't far from each other.
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What new Volkswagen sedan doesn't look like an Audi, sans huge front grille? I don't think majority of buyers are steering clear of Audi because it looks like a Volkswagen.
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I realize Acura doesn't have the brand image or prestige like other luxury sedans but a company can't just demand that overnight. It takes time, and with Acura having slid down the charts the last few years, it will take time to get some of the lost pride back.
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Furthermore, with the exception of those companies known for excellent design, (Jaguar, Maserati, & Mercedes until as of late come to mind) bigger sedans are harder to design. The more metal you have the more spread out design elements are going to be, thus a lot of flat, smooth metal. Smaller to mid-size sedans are easier to coordinate creases as the design elements can easily run into one another, front to back. If the RLX didn't have that sweeping crease from the over the front wheel it would appear pretty slab-sided from the side.
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Everyone is getting so butt hurt over Acura calling it a flagship. Yeah it's sad that Acura calls it that because it doesn't really qualify as "flagship" status among other luxury brands, but it's only referred to that because there's nothing above it in price at the moment. Everyone calm down, no one is going to kidnap your kids because the RLX doesn't square up to an S600. <o:p></o:p>
As far as performance, I'm thrilled Acura is getting the chance to exercise some brand firsts like the AWS, DCT, hybrid all-wheel drive. Seems like everyone is pissed because the base model RLX is boring. Duh it is. It's the base model.
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No one here (automotive enthusiasts) would choose the base model FWD A6 over an S6.
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Acura has halted the RL redesign so many times it's no surprise it took 27,000 years to get a replacement to market. So many directional changes and some priorities are bound to get shifted. Everyone gets so focused on the details we lose the big picture.
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Be glad Acura is making SOME progress in the right direction towards more luxurious, fun to drive, cars. I doubt the RLX is going to be as good as it gets, give the company some time to get things going. They've got a direction now, the real R&D will start to show soon enough. The company can't just throw out an amazing world-beater with one redesign since they've been resting on laurels for so long.
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As far as the car's success goes, pricing and marketing will tell the tale. As much as I love Acura I sadly have a feeling (ILX pricing) they will command too much of a premium for it.<o:p></o:p>
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Everyone is so quick to piss on the parade, and I'm not so sure it's not deserved since H/A have been pretty retarded and lazy these last few years. <o:p></o:p>
But starting with the appearance, while I do think it is probably the blandest to come out of the design center of recent, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Everyone is quick to compare it to the 3G TL. Until the Type-S, I thought the TL was a pretty bland looking car as well. There really isn't anything crazy about it, that's where the appeal comes from. The 3G was a clean, understated design with a good overall balance and a uniform look from front to back. The 3G didn't sell based on looks alone. It sold more on pricing compared to the competition than appearance.
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While bland, I don't think the RLX looks bad, per say. I know some still hate the grille, you can't please everyone and I'm sure it will still be a dealbreaker for some, but the rest of the car is clean. The front overhang isn't massive (seems like everyone gets in a rage about that), the roofline smooth and clean, the rear end doesn't look out of place and matches the front, design-wise. The wheels are simple to match the rest of the car.
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I'm just happy the car looks balanced and understated rather than "aggressive" and polarizing. Remember the last time Acura tried to create an "aggressive" sedan? 4G TL?
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And Jesus, what's with all the "it looks like an Accord" comments. Acura and Honda have always looked similar. The 3G TL, to me, doesn't look too far from a 2007 Accord. Similar window lines, 5 point grill, boring lower front fascias, etc. Sure the TL has a more executed design, (better exhaust tips, sculpted rear taillights, etc.) but the blueprint's overall aren't far from each other.
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What new Volkswagen sedan doesn't look like an Audi, sans huge front grille? I don't think majority of buyers are steering clear of Audi because it looks like a Volkswagen.
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I realize Acura doesn't have the brand image or prestige like other luxury sedans but a company can't just demand that overnight. It takes time, and with Acura having slid down the charts the last few years, it will take time to get some of the lost pride back.
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Furthermore, with the exception of those companies known for excellent design, (Jaguar, Maserati, & Mercedes until as of late come to mind) bigger sedans are harder to design. The more metal you have the more spread out design elements are going to be, thus a lot of flat, smooth metal. Smaller to mid-size sedans are easier to coordinate creases as the design elements can easily run into one another, front to back. If the RLX didn't have that sweeping crease from the over the front wheel it would appear pretty slab-sided from the side.
<o:p></o:p>
Everyone is getting so butt hurt over Acura calling it a flagship. Yeah it's sad that Acura calls it that because it doesn't really qualify as "flagship" status among other luxury brands, but it's only referred to that because there's nothing above it in price at the moment. Everyone calm down, no one is going to kidnap your kids because the RLX doesn't square up to an S600. <o:p></o:p>
As far as performance, I'm thrilled Acura is getting the chance to exercise some brand firsts like the AWS, DCT, hybrid all-wheel drive. Seems like everyone is pissed because the base model RLX is boring. Duh it is. It's the base model.
<o:p></o:p>
No one here (automotive enthusiasts) would choose the base model FWD A6 over an S6.
<o:p></o:p>
Acura has halted the RL redesign so many times it's no surprise it took 27,000 years to get a replacement to market. So many directional changes and some priorities are bound to get shifted. Everyone gets so focused on the details we lose the big picture.
<o:p></o:p>
Be glad Acura is making SOME progress in the right direction towards more luxurious, fun to drive, cars. I doubt the RLX is going to be as good as it gets, give the company some time to get things going. They've got a direction now, the real R&D will start to show soon enough. The company can't just throw out an amazing world-beater with one redesign since they've been resting on laurels for so long.
<o:p></o:p>
As far as the car's success goes, pricing and marketing will tell the tale. As much as I love Acura I sadly have a feeling (ILX pricing) they will command too much of a premium for it.<o:p></o:p>
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12-03-2012, 01:04 PM
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WTH is going on with Acura.... Hiding the dual exhaust.... taking the sporty-ness away from their vehicles... The 2014 MDX, RLX, 2013 RDX all the dual exhaust hidden under bumper! I'm sure the new TLX with be hidden as well... Guess I'll be jumping ship... Hopefully their 2014 models will be rattle free!
12-03-2012, 01:06 PM
#3798
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12-03-2012, 01:35 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
