iforyou

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lol sorry man....

WheelMcCoy

So the same person designed the ZDX and the NSX? I didn't know this! I wonder which one will sell more?

fsttyms1

with the limited production of the NSX it will most likely be the ZDX

Toyang90

Nice

iforyou

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LOL yes probably the NSX gonna sell better hahaha

srika

Let's hope the upcoming lighter variation models are actually coming and that they will fill these voids.

justnspace

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10 years from now...

iforyou

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Sure hope so...especially after investing $70 million into the PMC.....

Another thing is, while Honda lost money on every 1g NSX sold, my understanding is that Honda's intention is to make money from the 2g NSX. If they are spending all that money on a new manufacturing centre, bespoke engine, hybrid tech, etc, all for just one model, then Honda would probably lose money. The company needs to build different variants and have many add-on's to add sales volume.

MTEAZY

TacoBello

Not sure why you're posting photos of your computer screen, or your ugly face

DJ Iceman

While you (and many other people) find the ZDX ugly, I think it's actually quite stunning. Compared to most vehicles on the road, it has sleek curves, smooth lines, and an overall design that feels unified and complete. I dare say, for what it is, I like its design better than the NSX (but my opinion is biased by the fact that I think the original NSX is the most attractive car EVER designed).

I also respect the ZDX because it represented Acura's only foray into "tier one" luxury territory. The interior is the nicest Acura ever created, both unique and well thought-out from both an ergonomics and aesthetic standpoint. From an exterior standpoint, it has impeccable fit-and-finish and the best paint I've found on any Acura.

Whatever compromises were made in the ZDX's design, I personally chalk it up to management and not design. If we could get Michelle Christensen with a few drinks in her, I suspect she would spill all the details she WANTED to put in the design that were "value engineered" out. And the "SUV sized but coupe styled" vehicle was simply ahead of its time. BMW (X6 and X4), Benz (whatever that thing is called), and Tesla (Model X) are all pursuing this market now. Acura should have stuck it out, marketed the truth that they were pioneers, and let the ZDX continue as a low-selling but interest-gathering halo vehicle. Then again, I'm not an automotive exec whose bonus depends on this month's sales figures, so it's easy for me to take a longer-term view...

TacoBello

I too like the ZDX. I'm not AS crazy about it as above () but I do like the styling of that vehicle overall, inside and out.

MSZ

Just saw one at a local dealership.

TacoBello

It's kind of bullshit how Acura fences the car off so no one can get within 10 feet of the car. I was at a Nissan dealership a few months ago where they had a GTR Nismo... It was fenced off too. But the fencing was 1 foot away from the car on all sides. You could actually look inside or even touch (Gasp!) it if you so desired. Granted, it's cheaper than a loaded NSX, but it's price tag was set at 189k CAN. Not exactly pocket change.

Nexx

10 feet is a bit much but 1 foot away is moronic. if someone knocks over the post and hits the car would be a disaster.

nist7

^^^Good point. Knocking those $1 rope/poles over would be more liabiltiy/damage than some finger prints that can be detailed/washed off.

Also: https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...ity-mo-949126/

TacoBello

Or maybe people aren't that stupid and the dealership has a bit of faith in humanity. I've been to that dealership a half dozen since I first saw the car (yup, it's still there) and I've yet to see hand prints all over it. Also, I highly doubt it would be a "disaster". Odds are the clearcoat might get scuffed which can easily be corrected by even a modest detailer, or if a minor dent could occur, it can easily be corrected with PDR. Full out scratches? The odds are minimal at best. You may think otherwise, but the Nissan dealership seems to think differently. It's one thing for a setup at a car show. It's another for a setup at a dealership.

The poles are close enough to the car that someone would have to charge at them to do damage. Let's not forget that they are bottom heavy and you have to tip them a substantial amount before they drop. If you think cars don't get damaged on the regular at a dealership, you'd be completely wrong. Through transport, delivery to the dealership, moving around within the dealership, etc, LOTS of cars get some kind of minor damage and its considered par for the course for the dealer to correct such defects.

TacoBello

if that NSX is in a spot where any number of dealership employees can see it at all times, the odds of damage are minimal. To me, that makes more sense than roping it off like the red one.

nist7

Indeed. Most of the halo cars from other wise pedestrian brands (GT-R with the Nissan, NSX with Honda, maybe something like the GS-F with Toyota, etc.) are going to be placed in a VERY central/populated location (pretty much center of the showroom) and with so many eyes most people will have that psychological pressure to do the appropriate car-gazing posture: hands behind back/at sides, leaning forward with face looking at interested areas, and legs/knees appropriately distanced from body panels/glass...

And....it's not a exceptionally rare/expensive car all else speaking. And so for owners/managers to put that much rope/pole around a new 2G NSX may say more about the dealer than the populace....

edit: One possibility: UNLESS, the car is already sold and it is sitting there for some publicity/buyer's request. That may be possible

oonowindoo

That is what happens when you give something so "expensive" to a dealer that have no experience in selling this type of vehicles. They are scarrred.

When i went to Porsche dealer, all the cars were unlocked on the show room floor, let alone fences. that includes the Turbo S that costs more than the NSX.

Nexx

not scarred i dont think but that car is most likely sold already to the owner. think of it as if you were the owner. i wouldnt want random people sitting in and touching my vehicle or even remotely have the chance to have a pole take a chunk out of the paint. any sort of paint correction/repair has to be done at the Performance Manufacturing Plant.

justnspace

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if it was my $156,000-192,000 car, it wouldnt be in the show room

oonowindoo

If it is sold, there should be a sign posted on the front windshield, stating the car is "SOLD, DO NOT TOUCH"
If it was a demo for the dealer, then they should let people touch it! That is the purpose of a demo car.

I am pretty sure the car is sold since they are still fulfilling orders for years ago. But if they want to prevent any unexpected damage to a pre-sold car, then it should not be on the showroom floor. Fencing it off does not do much.

Nexx

fencing it off does work, we kept our 1st NSX on the showroom for month without anyone touching it or getting into it. but many people got to see it in person, take pictures with it. no one ever complained, or even asked to go beyond the ropes. just saw a lot of smiles. some of you old school acura guys are so jaded and negative towards anything Acura these days.

Costco

This much is true. I wouldn't consider myself in that camp, but I definitely see it.

We back our words up with our wallets. If we liked what Acura was doing, we would be in one right now.

I maintained that if Honda made an S2000 successor that was at least similar in certain aspects (relatively lightweight, RWD, 6-speed manual, $35k or less) I would have bought one. It never materialized, so I voted with my wallet.

iforyou

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With inflation in mind, I'm not sure if it's realistic to have a modern s2000 successor to be $35k or less. In 2009 the base S2k was already at that price, and that's for a car with not many updates since 2004 with the Ap2 changes.

Hopefully the rumours of a new s2000 are true though.

TacoBello

Now you're being complicated and reading too much into the details.

All he wants is a loud, nimble and fun Honda that isn't FWD. He's not asking for a lot.

And I think you missed the point where he was referring to his Toyobaru.

AZuser

Honda CBR1000RR ?

nist7

Damn good point. Almost forgot about Honda's amazing two wheeled machines.

Grom, CBR250R, the new CB500/CB1100, Interceptor, etc.

TacoBello

Those are really nice bikes (the 1000RR)... A friend of mine has a 2012 he bought new... Hasn't touched it in 2 years now and he's looking to get rid of it... Hmmmm...

I'm way too big for a bike though. Even on a litre bike, being 6'7"....

I've heard Honda "R" bikes feel like sitting on a 2x4 at 100mph. Not what you'd call a comfortable ride. But then again, it's made for the track and little more. Fast as fuck, smooth, loud, and stable. Just not comfy.

nist7

Most people who buy those liter supersports probably barely can get to like 10% of the potential (probably even worse than cars). And the extreme lean-forward, race position is not going to be comfortable at all. Pretty much those are race bikes made street-legal in the Viper ACR sense. A common saying i've heard in the bike world is that it's more fun to ride a slower/small bike fast than a fast bike slow.

There are certainly many other offerings that's more comfortable and lots of fun. I love the new standard of the CB1100, and also the naked CB1000R is another more comfortable daily-able version of the CBR cousin. Though being a 6'7 guy...may just have to go for a larger cruiser style to get more comfort.....

fsttyms1

6'5" Im a little big on it but not too bad. as for ride, its very smooth at speeds above 100 (not that i have ever done that

justnspace

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NO way thats the TL!?!??!
looks super awesome

myron

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I saw my first NSX in the wild, it looked glorious. I didn't know someone would have one here on the streets yet.

00TL-P3.2

Interceptor?

Car looks amazing & aggressive!

oonowindoo

That is equivalent to asking for the moon by Honda's standard. Hey but i am just a hatter, i don't get with "Honda/Acura's mediocre = success" program. I am still stuck with the mentality that Acura should be just as good as the Germans for less $.

TacoBello

Soichiro Honda would be spinning in his grave if he saw how vanilla his company has become.

ttribe

Oops: Man reportedly blames bee for NSX crash

iforyou

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lol nah I figured he was referring to his Toyobaru from his avatar.


Going back on topic, so Jeff at TOV looked into the Motor Trend's Best Driver's Car Test, specifically the NSX issue.

Seems like it doesn't have much to do with the car in some sort of drift mode.

Apparently, Motor Trend had the NSX for a while. When they got to the Best Driver's Car Test at Laguna Seca and found the car to be so tail happy, Acura engineers checked and found the rear alignment to be way off. Right now he's trying to find out from MotorTrend to see if there was a re-run.

fsttyms1