Acura: NSX News
#7561
I thought they'd expect to sell more than 60? From my brief gander over at the NSXPrime forums some of their more knowledge-able sounding posters mentioned something about production is sold out for at least 1-2 years?!
Of course deliveries just started happening and its coming to the close of 2016 so it may be not enough time to really ramp up production/sales....
Of course deliveries just started happening and its coming to the close of 2016 so it may be not enough time to really ramp up production/sales....
#7562
Yes, sold out. The problem is production of the car... There's a reason why Honda only built like 600 RLX-SHs in 2016. Well.. partially because no one wants them, but also because apparently it takes a long time to build the cells (no idea why... it's never been announced what part of it takes so long).
So yes, while sold out, don't expect a 1000 new NSXs on the roads this year. At last check, they only delivered 39 of them.
So yes, while sold out, don't expect a 1000 new NSXs on the roads this year. At last check, they only delivered 39 of them.
#7563
Ah interesting. There was definitely production slowness but looks like that's quite a bit slower. But yeah definitely not 1000 though I was thinking at least few hundred....but likely less than 500 for sure at this pace...
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projektvertx (09-21-2016)
#7568
EE4Life over at the NSX subforum posts interesting updates from the other side with the "Acura NSX Launch Playbook" (https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...aybook-945969/)
Issue #4 just released and with the following slides:
M/T doing hot laps with Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca looking for their 2016 Best Driver's Car competition:
NSX segment:
Issue #4 just released and with the following slides:
M/T doing hot laps with Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca looking for their 2016 Best Driver's Car competition:
- Viper ACR------------1:31.58
- R8 V10+-------------1:34.23
- 570S-----------------1:34.58
- AMG GT S-----------1:35.30
- GT350R--------------1:36.11
- NSX------------------1:36.36
- Carrera S------------1:36.44
- GT-R-----------------1:37.08
- M4 GTS--------------1:37.66
- Camaro SS 1LE-----1:37.78
- F-Type SVR---------1:38.75
- V12 Vantage S-----1:41.77
NSX segment:
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#7569
Piss poor showing for it at MTs best drivers car On street tires it was 2 full seconds slower at Laguna Seca than the Audi R8, Basically the exact same lap time as the less powerful rwd 911, Out of 12 cars in contention for best drivers car (not just lap time) it came in 8th, 4 spots behind the Camaro Not good, Not good.
#7570
#7571
Piss poor showing for it at MTs best drivers car On street tires it was 2 full seconds slower at Laguna Seca than the Audi R8, Basically the exact same lap time as the less powerful rwd 911, Out of 12 cars in contention for best drivers car (not just lap time) it came in 8th, 4 spots behind the Camaro Not good, Not good.
It's easy to tell that it is definitely not a performance/track-machine as its main focus (ie 570S, GT350R, ACR) so more likely they are selling it on its name legacy and brand fans, the technology/newness, and curb appeal and daily livability.
The 911 is another huge winner imo, one that is all around great (luxury, name, drivers' car, exoticness). The Camaro SS 1LE is another huge winner imo as well with its really middle-class-accessible pricing
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#7573
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FWIW, Jeff at Temple of Vtec saying the car was probably in drift mode or some sort:
Yeah, obviously Laguna Seca is a way different track than Thermal but the NSXs that I drove were nowhere close to being that loose. I mean you could do all sorts of stuff and elicit oversteer but it was never anything close to feeling "loose".
Now, with that said, supposedly there's some way you can configure it (outside of the base Track settings) which will enable tons of oversteer (almost like a "drift mode") and now I'm wondering if they somehow enabled that mode (like for the "hero" sequences in the video and photography).
When I drove the car I wasn't aware that you could do that, but I found out later that you could set it up for that. I know Randy is a great driver but with all the buttons and sequences that are necessary I guess it's a possibility.
Now, with that said, supposedly there's some way you can configure it (outside of the base Track settings) which will enable tons of oversteer (almost like a "drift mode") and now I'm wondering if they somehow enabled that mode (like for the "hero" sequences in the video and photography).
When I drove the car I wasn't aware that you could do that, but I found out later that you could set it up for that. I know Randy is a great driver but with all the buttons and sequences that are necessary I guess it's a possibility.
#7574
^^^ I'd believe that. I'd guess we will hear more about this later... Although, I think the NSX's biggest problem is its weight.
Also, what's going on with the GTR's time? Should be about a second quicker.
Also, what's going on with the GTR's time? Should be about a second quicker.
#7575
you can also look at the other way. The GT-R has a decade to get dialed in as for the NSX its the first year production. I would venture to guess that the 09 GT-R overall is slower than the 2016 GTR around a track.
#7576
biggest problem with the NSX is learning how to push it to it limits and getting the most of out of it. its vastly different from most of the cars being tested. Randy is a great driver but he even said that he left time on the table because he couldnt quite push it thinking he would lose control. I'm sure with more seat time he could have done much better.
#7577
I agree with Jeff. I never once felt what Randy was saying about the NSX. Whether it was me driving or my pro driver pushing it to the complete limits I never once left the back end wanting to fly out.
#7578
I can't believe the GT350, at almost 3800 pounds, only RWD, no fancy batteries and motors, no fancy dual clutch transmission and no forced induction power STILL outperforms the NSX at a mere FRACTION of the price.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
#7579
This. This needs work. How about some exotic colors? Acura sells the car, not as a track beast, but a more refined, all around super car with GT type comfort. Or, an exotic, if you will. So where are the exotic colors?
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I can't believe the GT350, at almost 3800 pounds, only RWD, no fancy batteries and motors, no fancy dual clutch transmission and no forced induction power STILL outperforms the NSX at a mere FRACTION of the price.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
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Nexx (09-23-2016)
#7582
If not, Acura can go back to the drawing board again. Now let's see how the NSX will compete against the next R36 that is supposed to be released in a year or 2.
#7583
yah i would take the R8 anyday of the week... the screaming V10 > all the battery in the world combined.
Let's be honest, we are really splitting hairs with the few secs difference on a track. 9 out of the 10 of these cars sold probably will never see the track.
What matters more is how does the car make you feel when you are driving than a lap time, since these cars will out performance almost everything on the street anyways.
"The fastest car is the one that is not yours with a driver who is reckless." Jeremy Clarkson
Let's be honest, we are really splitting hairs with the few secs difference on a track. 9 out of the 10 of these cars sold probably will never see the track.
What matters more is how does the car make you feel when you are driving than a lap time, since these cars will out performance almost everything on the street anyways.
"The fastest car is the one that is not yours with a driver who is reckless." Jeremy Clarkson
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nist7 (09-22-2016)
#7584
Please see above.
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
10.6 @ 130 for the R8 good lawd that's quick. As it should be with that engine. 123 mph by comparison is quite far away. Give that NSX some basic turbo mods, and it's gonna be running with that R8.
#7586
Which is?
For close to 10 years now, I've had zero ideas what Acura is and where they're headed/trying to go. I can't remember the number of times they said they wanted to be a premium or luxury car company only to abandon those plans.
Agreed. They needed to make this car. They need it to help revive and re-establish the Acura name. Without the NSX, Acura would have remained an also ran car company.
To quote Jon Ikeda:
"The first deliveries of the all-new Acura NSX are electrifying Acura showrooms and generating tremendous excitement for all Acura customers. With the launch of the amazing new NSX, we continue to build strong momentum for the Acura brand."
For close to 10 years now, I've had zero ideas what Acura is and where they're headed/trying to go. I can't remember the number of times they said they wanted to be a premium or luxury car company only to abandon those plans.
Agreed. They needed to make this car. They need it to help revive and re-establish the Acura name. Without the NSX, Acura would have remained an also ran car company.
To quote Jon Ikeda:
"The first deliveries of the all-new Acura NSX are electrifying Acura showrooms and generating tremendous excitement for all Acura customers. With the launch of the amazing new NSX, we continue to build strong momentum for the Acura brand."
#7587
QUOTE=srika;15856087]^^^ I'd believe that. I'd guess we will hear more about this later... Although, I think the NSX's biggest problem is its weight.[/QUOTE]
Yup. With the optioned car that M/T had it's knocking on 3900lbs (3876). That is ALOT of weight to lug around (add in the driver's weight too) and probably too much to overcome even with the fancy hybrid wheel motors and computer/torque vectoring.
I reckon they could have, but chose not to. Hard for me to imagine that a company such as Honda is so inept that they cannot outclass a track-prepped Mustang if they really wanted to. I think the Acura brand sells to a certain type of demographic and they are definitely not the buyers who associate an Acura badge with an all-out mid-engined track monster. It seems to be a balance of luxury, performance, and curb appeal and technology. It doesn't REALLY shine in one area but does decent in all and has a "Quiet" mode that allows the owner to drive into his gated community/driveway without disturbing his fellow one-percenters neighbors. The existence of the "Quiet" mode says alot about the targeted clientele for the NSX.
The GT350R is exactly what Ford can and do cater to...those car nuts like us who crave the raw, loud, analogue feel of a track-oriented car without any luxury pretense but also somewhat daily-able. The exterior styling is awesome.
Some interior comparison shots for fun:
Yup. With the optioned car that M/T had it's knocking on 3900lbs (3876). That is ALOT of weight to lug around (add in the driver's weight too) and probably too much to overcome even with the fancy hybrid wheel motors and computer/torque vectoring.
I can't believe the GT350, at almost 3800 pounds, only RWD, no fancy batteries and motors, no fancy dual clutch transmission and no forced induction power STILL outperforms the NSX at a mere FRACTION of the price.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
The GT350R is exactly what Ford can and do cater to...those car nuts like us who crave the raw, loud, analogue feel of a track-oriented car without any luxury pretense but also somewhat daily-able. The exterior styling is awesome.
Some interior comparison shots for fun:
#7588
Please see above.
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
#7589
Exactly. And iforyou is on drugs. The original NSX was considered a handling monster in it's day. It wasn't crazy fast in a straight line, but it did shine in the corners. The whole reason for going aluminum suspension and body? Oh yeah- to stay lightweight for handling and breaking purposes.
I got into an argument about the nsx vs R32 back in the s2000 thread a long time ago and yeah... it was proven the NSX was able to outhandle the R32 even though it had AWD.
The original was purpose built. No idea what you're talking about. Purpose built with GT comforts (for its time)
Also, no idea what iforyou is talking about, but from what I'm seeing, the gt350R beat the NSX by 0.25 seconds.
I got into an argument about the nsx vs R32 back in the s2000 thread a long time ago and yeah... it was proven the NSX was able to outhandle the R32 even though it had AWD.
The original was purpose built. No idea what you're talking about. Purpose built with GT comforts (for its time)
Also, no idea what iforyou is talking about, but from what I'm seeing, the gt350R beat the NSX by 0.25 seconds.
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#7590
#7591
QUOTE=srika;15856087]
I reckon they could have, but chose not to. Hard for me to imagine that a company such as Honda is so inept that they cannot outclass a track-prepped Mustang if they really wanted to. I think the Acura brand sells to a certain type of demographic and they are definitely not the buyers who associate an Acura badge with an all-out mid-engined track monster. It seems to be a balance of luxury, performance, and curb appeal and technology. It doesn't REALLY shine in one area but does decent in all and has a "Quiet" mode that allows the owner to drive into his gated community/driveway without disturbing his fellow one-percenters neighbors. The existence of the "Quiet" mode says alot about the targeted clientele for the NSX.
The GT350R is exactly what Ford can and do cater to...those car nuts like us who crave the raw, loud, analogue feel of a track-oriented car without any luxury pretense but also somewhat daily-able. The exterior styling is awesome.
I reckon they could have, but chose not to. Hard for me to imagine that a company such as Honda is so inept that they cannot outclass a track-prepped Mustang if they really wanted to. I think the Acura brand sells to a certain type of demographic and they are definitely not the buyers who associate an Acura badge with an all-out mid-engined track monster. It seems to be a balance of luxury, performance, and curb appeal and technology. It doesn't REALLY shine in one area but does decent in all and has a "Quiet" mode that allows the owner to drive into his gated community/driveway without disturbing his fellow one-percenters neighbors. The existence of the "Quiet" mode says alot about the targeted clientele for the NSX.
The GT350R is exactly what Ford can and do cater to...those car nuts like us who crave the raw, loud, analogue feel of a track-oriented car without any luxury pretense but also somewhat daily-able. The exterior styling is awesome.
#7592
Its very easy to tell what markets Acura is catering to and focusing on. Just look at their top sellers.
and, almost nobody who buys the NSX will think it's slow. 123 mph in the 1/4 mile is plenty fast. But I did say almost.
and, almost nobody who buys the NSX will think it's slow. 123 mph in the 1/4 mile is plenty fast. But I did say almost.
#7594
Problem is is they benchmarked the car against models that were outgoing and surly to be improved upon when the new models came out. Case in point the R8. Next up is the GTR. If they only set out to meet or slightly better they failed. They should have set out to set a new set of benchmarks for the others to meet, NOT to have to play catch-up right out of the gates.
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#7595
We'll see if the sales numbers can keep up or outpace the NEW R8. If so, I'll eat my words and tip my hat to Honda. I'm not holding my breath though.
#7599
Problem is is they benchmarked the car against models that were outgoing and surly to be improved upon when the new models came out. Case in point the R8. Next up is the GTR. If they only set out to meet or slightly better they failed. They should have set out to set a new set of benchmarks for the others to meet, NOT to have to play catch-up right out of the gates.
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Costco (09-23-2016)
#7600
it will be good if they had done 0-150mph test. I am sure NSX will near the top. braking distance also good for NSX. it is not Audi that will fall apart after few years. you can get NSX at base price of $157k. Audi you have to pay $192 as base.