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Acura Botched Every Single Aspect Of The NSX Launch
Acura Botched Every Single Aspect Of The NSX Launch
I still remember when I first heard that Acura would be coming out with a replacement for the famed NSX sports car. It was 1987; I was still in the womb, and the original NSX hadn't even come out yet.
Yes, folks, it's true: that's how long Acura has been talking about the all-new, second-generation NSX, which finally made its debut in production form earlier this week at the Detroit Auto Show, with approximately the same level of fanfare as Bounty rolling out a new line of ultra-absorbent paper towels.
OK, fine, maybe I'm exaggerating a little. But the Acura NSX launch has been bungled so badly that I think it deserves a special look back in time to highlight all the key points, using real dates, and real facts, and only the occasional hyperbolic statement, such as: "When Acura originally announced the second-generation NSX, Jerry Seinfeld was just a Long Island high school student with a mullet and a Karmann Ghia."
So let's go back to the beginning. To do that, we must return to 1991, when the original NSX came out. As I recall, the situation was this: at first, everyone was really excited about the NSX, because it combined Ferrari performance and Ferrari styling with the virtual certainty that, upon leaving your home, you would eventually reach your destination. Ferrari was not able to offer this certainty for another ten years, and even then, they couldn't promise you'd be able to get back home again.
But then what happened was, Acura let the NSX languish. Ferrari came out with another model, then another model, then another model, eventually with 500 horsepower, and yet the NSX was still basically the same old car, fifteen years later, using the same old V6, which was now only slightly more powerful than an Altima. If the NSX were a child, its parents would've been scouring the newspaper classifieds by now, trying to buy it a used Civic.
So Acura cancelled the NSX in 2005, and the entire automotive community let out a collective gasp, because we had no idea it was still in production.
Fast-forward two years, and enthusiasts were already clamoring for another one. Mind you, this was during the time of the Carrera GT, and the Enzo, and the Ford GT, and the Mercedes SLR, and everyone was really performance hungry. So Acura jumped on the bandwagon, and Honda's American chief executive announced in 2007 that a mid-engine, V10-powered NSX successor would reach the market by 2010.
Just to be clear: this was 2007, when he said this. Eight years ago. Back when "twilight" was the thing that happened each night around 6 p.m., and not some movie where Kristen Stewart sucks your blood. Back when Michael Jackson was still alive and well, hanging out with all his llamas at Neverland Ranch. Back when all you needed to qualify for a mortgage was a pulse and the proceeds from a couple vending machine robberies.
So anyway, in 2007, Acura came out with this concept sports car, called the ASCC, and everyone got all excited, because it looked like the NSX was making a return. I don't have access to the archives from the Honda forums, but I bet if you went back and looked at the 2007 posts, people would be saying things like: "HOLY CRAP THE NEXT NSX!" and "OH MY GOD THE NSX IS COMING BACK!" and "Thinking about a used car for my 17-year-old son – maybe a Civic?"
But then we plunged into the recession, and Acura sort of forgot about the NSX. The whole project wasn't mentioned again until a couple years later, when it turned out that Honda was still developing a V10-powered sports car, this time for racing purposes. Naturally, everyone assumed this would turn into the next NSX: a V10-powered Honda! Race car DNA! It's finally happening! And if you go back and look at the Honda forums, I bet you'll find some very excited people, saying some very excited things, such as: "WOOO THE NSX IS RETURNING!" and "BRING ON THE NEW NSX!" and "My 16-year-old was arrested last week for arson. Thinking about getting him a Civic."
But it was not to be. Although Honda did develop a V10-powered race car, and they did race this car in actual races, it never turned into an NSX. Instead, it only led to more speculation. Motor Trend reported that the new NSX was right around the corner. Robert Downey, Jr., drove a concept version in The Avengers. The world was again getting psyched, and the Honda forums were again abuzz with anticipation, posting things like: "NEW NSX IS GONNA BE HERE SOON" and "I CAN FEEL IT THIS TIME. THIS NSX IS HAPPENING!" and "My 16-year-old son keeps stealing prescription medication from my wife, but I'm going to buy him a Civic anyway. What should I look for?"
Unfortunately, this speculation didn't turn into a new NSX right away, either. Instead, Honda decided to release the NSX as a concept car – and they did so at the 2012 Detroit Auto Show, to considerable fanfare. A month later, there was a Super Bowl commercial with Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld. Finally, we were ready. The Honda forums were beside themselves. People were wildly excited, posting titles like "IT'S FINALLY HERE!!! HOLY CRAP THE NSX!!!" and "MY GOD NSX CONCEPT OMGLOL!" and "My 18-year-old son keeps harming small animals. Is there a program for him? Also, I'm getting him a Civic."
Well folks, THREE YEARS LATER, here we are. It's been eight years since the original promise of a new NSX. Six years since the development of a V10-powered race car that we all thought would turn into an NSX. Five years since further speculation about the production-ready NSX. Four years since the NSX showed up in The Avengers. Three years since the concept car, and that Super Bowl commercial with Jerry Seinfeld.
And after all this fanfare, and all this speculation, and all this excitement, and all this waiting, what happened on the day of the final unveiling?
Ford. Ford happened.
You see, after literally years of pomp and circumstance surrounding the NSX, Ford managed to upstage Acura on the very day of the NSX reveal with a far more exciting car that nobody knew anything about. Instead of talking about the new Ford GT for the last decade, and showing people drawings of the Ford GT, and sticking the Ford GT in movies, and hiring celebrities to do commercials with the Ford GT, and telling Motor Trend that the Ford GT was coming, and creating a Ford GT race car that never became a road car, Ford just a) developed the GT, and b) showed it to people. That was it. No bullshit, no speculation, no promises. Here's our awesome car, Ford said. Don't you love it?
And the truth is, we do love the Ford GT. And frankly, we love the NSX, too. But the public reaction to both vehicles was laughably different. After years of high expectations, the collective feeling when the cover finally came off the NSX was: "About freakin' time." Whereas we went into the Ford press conference with almost no expectations, and we came out with stains on our pants.
For proof, check the view counts on Jalopnik's own articles: while the NSX story managed only 91,000 clicks, the Ford GT piece pulled in 673,000 interested readers. This is a highly scientific, tremendously professional measure that proves the new Ford GT is approximately 7.4 times cooler than the new Acura NSX.
So let this be a lesson to automakers everywhere: when you want to reveal something cool, show, don't tell. Because after years of speculation, and multiple concept cars, and dozens of promises, we all get a little sick of it. Even the Honda forums.
Now, if you'll excuse me, Acura is holding a press conference about the next NSX, which is due out in 2028. I am told it has wings.
Yes, folks, it's true: that's how long Acura has been talking about the all-new, second-generation NSX, which finally made its debut in production form earlier this week at the Detroit Auto Show, with approximately the same level of fanfare as Bounty rolling out a new line of ultra-absorbent paper towels.
OK, fine, maybe I'm exaggerating a little. But the Acura NSX launch has been bungled so badly that I think it deserves a special look back in time to highlight all the key points, using real dates, and real facts, and only the occasional hyperbolic statement, such as: "When Acura originally announced the second-generation NSX, Jerry Seinfeld was just a Long Island high school student with a mullet and a Karmann Ghia."
So let's go back to the beginning. To do that, we must return to 1991, when the original NSX came out. As I recall, the situation was this: at first, everyone was really excited about the NSX, because it combined Ferrari performance and Ferrari styling with the virtual certainty that, upon leaving your home, you would eventually reach your destination. Ferrari was not able to offer this certainty for another ten years, and even then, they couldn't promise you'd be able to get back home again.
But then what happened was, Acura let the NSX languish. Ferrari came out with another model, then another model, then another model, eventually with 500 horsepower, and yet the NSX was still basically the same old car, fifteen years later, using the same old V6, which was now only slightly more powerful than an Altima. If the NSX were a child, its parents would've been scouring the newspaper classifieds by now, trying to buy it a used Civic.
So Acura cancelled the NSX in 2005, and the entire automotive community let out a collective gasp, because we had no idea it was still in production.
Fast-forward two years, and enthusiasts were already clamoring for another one. Mind you, this was during the time of the Carrera GT, and the Enzo, and the Ford GT, and the Mercedes SLR, and everyone was really performance hungry. So Acura jumped on the bandwagon, and Honda's American chief executive announced in 2007 that a mid-engine, V10-powered NSX successor would reach the market by 2010.
Just to be clear: this was 2007, when he said this. Eight years ago. Back when "twilight" was the thing that happened each night around 6 p.m., and not some movie where Kristen Stewart sucks your blood. Back when Michael Jackson was still alive and well, hanging out with all his llamas at Neverland Ranch. Back when all you needed to qualify for a mortgage was a pulse and the proceeds from a couple vending machine robberies.
So anyway, in 2007, Acura came out with this concept sports car, called the ASCC, and everyone got all excited, because it looked like the NSX was making a return. I don't have access to the archives from the Honda forums, but I bet if you went back and looked at the 2007 posts, people would be saying things like: "HOLY CRAP THE NEXT NSX!" and "OH MY GOD THE NSX IS COMING BACK!" and "Thinking about a used car for my 17-year-old son – maybe a Civic?"
But then we plunged into the recession, and Acura sort of forgot about the NSX. The whole project wasn't mentioned again until a couple years later, when it turned out that Honda was still developing a V10-powered sports car, this time for racing purposes. Naturally, everyone assumed this would turn into the next NSX: a V10-powered Honda! Race car DNA! It's finally happening! And if you go back and look at the Honda forums, I bet you'll find some very excited people, saying some very excited things, such as: "WOOO THE NSX IS RETURNING!" and "BRING ON THE NEW NSX!" and "My 16-year-old was arrested last week for arson. Thinking about getting him a Civic."
But it was not to be. Although Honda did develop a V10-powered race car, and they did race this car in actual races, it never turned into an NSX. Instead, it only led to more speculation. Motor Trend reported that the new NSX was right around the corner. Robert Downey, Jr., drove a concept version in The Avengers. The world was again getting psyched, and the Honda forums were again abuzz with anticipation, posting things like: "NEW NSX IS GONNA BE HERE SOON" and "I CAN FEEL IT THIS TIME. THIS NSX IS HAPPENING!" and "My 16-year-old son keeps stealing prescription medication from my wife, but I'm going to buy him a Civic anyway. What should I look for?"
Unfortunately, this speculation didn't turn into a new NSX right away, either. Instead, Honda decided to release the NSX as a concept car – and they did so at the 2012 Detroit Auto Show, to considerable fanfare. A month later, there was a Super Bowl commercial with Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld. Finally, we were ready. The Honda forums were beside themselves. People were wildly excited, posting titles like "IT'S FINALLY HERE!!! HOLY CRAP THE NSX!!!" and "MY GOD NSX CONCEPT OMGLOL!" and "My 18-year-old son keeps harming small animals. Is there a program for him? Also, I'm getting him a Civic."
Well folks, THREE YEARS LATER, here we are. It's been eight years since the original promise of a new NSX. Six years since the development of a V10-powered race car that we all thought would turn into an NSX. Five years since further speculation about the production-ready NSX. Four years since the NSX showed up in The Avengers. Three years since the concept car, and that Super Bowl commercial with Jerry Seinfeld.
And after all this fanfare, and all this speculation, and all this excitement, and all this waiting, what happened on the day of the final unveiling?
Ford. Ford happened.
You see, after literally years of pomp and circumstance surrounding the NSX, Ford managed to upstage Acura on the very day of the NSX reveal with a far more exciting car that nobody knew anything about. Instead of talking about the new Ford GT for the last decade, and showing people drawings of the Ford GT, and sticking the Ford GT in movies, and hiring celebrities to do commercials with the Ford GT, and telling Motor Trend that the Ford GT was coming, and creating a Ford GT race car that never became a road car, Ford just a) developed the GT, and b) showed it to people. That was it. No bullshit, no speculation, no promises. Here's our awesome car, Ford said. Don't you love it?
And the truth is, we do love the Ford GT. And frankly, we love the NSX, too. But the public reaction to both vehicles was laughably different. After years of high expectations, the collective feeling when the cover finally came off the NSX was: "About freakin' time." Whereas we went into the Ford press conference with almost no expectations, and we came out with stains on our pants.
For proof, check the view counts on Jalopnik's own articles: while the NSX story managed only 91,000 clicks, the Ford GT piece pulled in 673,000 interested readers. This is a highly scientific, tremendously professional measure that proves the new Ford GT is approximately 7.4 times cooler than the new Acura NSX.
So let this be a lesson to automakers everywhere: when you want to reveal something cool, show, don't tell. Because after years of speculation, and multiple concept cars, and dozens of promises, we all get a little sick of it. Even the Honda forums.
Now, if you'll excuse me, Acura is holding a press conference about the next NSX, which is due out in 2028. I am told it has wings.
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Like what? Care to elaborate?
2007 NAIAS: ASCC Concept Shown
2007 Dec: Supercar based on ASCC confirmed to be introduced
2008 June: ASCC based supercar caught testing on the Nurburging
2008 Dec: Fukui announced the ASCC based super car and ALL plans for a next gen NSX are cancelled
2010 Mar: ASCC-based car becomes HSV-010, and it's only for GT racing
2011 Dec: Official announcement next-gen NSX under development
2012 Jan: First 2G NSX concept shown
2013-2015: Major direction change for the 2G NSX - Longitudinally mounted TT V6 instead transverly mounted NA V6. NSX Prototype and Concept II were shown
2015 Jan: Production of 2G NSX shown
Am I missing something major? All I see is the actual 2G NSX with mid-mounted engine was announced officially in late 2011. Anything prior to that was unrelated, other than being a halo sports car.
2007 NAIAS: ASCC Concept Shown
2007 Dec: Supercar based on ASCC confirmed to be introduced
2008 June: ASCC based supercar caught testing on the Nurburging
2008 Dec: Fukui announced the ASCC based super car and ALL plans for a next gen NSX are cancelled
2010 Mar: ASCC-based car becomes HSV-010, and it's only for GT racing
2011 Dec: Official announcement next-gen NSX under development
2012 Jan: First 2G NSX concept shown
2013-2015: Major direction change for the 2G NSX - Longitudinally mounted TT V6 instead transverly mounted NA V6. NSX Prototype and Concept II were shown
2015 Jan: Production of 2G NSX shown
Am I missing something major? All I see is the actual 2G NSX with mid-mounted engine was announced officially in late 2011. Anything prior to that was unrelated, other than being a halo sports car.
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Essentially what the whole article above is saying, if you bother reading it.
Doesn't matter, acura could build a time machine with supersonic jets and plasma torpedoes and warp drives and runs on animal waste and creates zero emissions and sell it for $1.99 and people would still be bitching about it.
Doesn't matter, acura could build a time machine with supersonic jets and plasma torpedoes and warp drives and runs on animal waste and creates zero emissions and sell it for $1.99 and people would still be bitching about it.
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The NSX isn't even out yet and there are already rumors of Type R.
The guy who claimed that the NSX is getting a longitudinal V6TT is now saying the Type R version will not be AWD.
Front TMU will be removed: -300lb
Smaller battery since less power demand: -100lb
More use of lightweight material: - 100lb
He's saying the NSX will tip the scale at around 3600lb, but the Type R will be closer to 3100lb.
The engine in the Type R will make 650hp, and the rear motor will make 150hp.
Would be interesting if this guy gets it right again!
The guy who claimed that the NSX is getting a longitudinal V6TT is now saying the Type R version will not be AWD.
Front TMU will be removed: -300lb
Smaller battery since less power demand: -100lb
More use of lightweight material: - 100lb
He's saying the NSX will tip the scale at around 3600lb, but the Type R will be closer to 3100lb.
The engine in the Type R will make 650hp, and the rear motor will make 150hp.
Would be interesting if this guy gets it right again!
#4887
Team Owner
Where did you hear the specifics regarding the R?i have only heard that acura is intending to build it, but nothing that substantial
#4888
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#dropsmypants
What word am I supposed to latch onto? I still like cement the most.
But, seriously, you are not reading the comments. None of the "cemented" haters in here are hating on the 550HP+ numbers Honda has alluded to. The condition is that if the car's curb weight is heavy, well, 550HP is not going to be all that peachy given the competition Detroit, Germany, and etc. have released to-date is it?
What word am I supposed to latch onto? I still like cement the most.
But, seriously, you are not reading the comments. None of the "cemented" haters in here are hating on the 550HP+ numbers Honda has alluded to. The condition is that if the car's curb weight is heavy, well, 550HP is not going to be all that peachy given the competition Detroit, Germany, and etc. have released to-date is it?
how heavy do you expect the car to be? 9000 lbs?
iforyou just speculated the car could be in the 3600 lb range. Which I find to be a very reasonable estimate. While 3600 lbs is certainly a good bit heavier than the previous model, it is not too bad given this car has 3 electric motors.
A 3600 lb car with 550 hp will do the 1/4 in low-mid 11's. Give that some thought.
Here is a visual if needed:
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I can't say he's 100% correct but he's been bang on or very close with many rumors/figures/numbers/news.
For example, back in 2012, he said that the new Civic Type R will have 280+hp, instead of the standard 200-220hp that most FWD Type R's have/had. He also mentioned Honda's target was to hold the fastest FWD record on the Nurburgring.
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Essentially what the whole article above is saying, if you bother reading it.
Doesn't matter, acura could build a time machine with supersonic jets and plasma torpedoes and warp drives and runs on animal waste and creates zero emissions and sell it for $1.99 and people would still be bitching about it.
Doesn't matter, acura could build a time machine with supersonic jets and plasma torpedoes and warp drives and runs on animal waste and creates zero emissions and sell it for $1.99 and people would still be bitching about it.
Almost no 2G NSX will be sold at the bare bone price of 150k, though. Most will probably be optioned to be closer to 200k I would imagine.
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Seriously?
Here are my thoughts and take them for what they're worth.
The NSX is providing much of the Porsche 918’s technical specs at 1/6 the price but will deliver 80-90% of the performance. The Ford GT provides no technical breakthrough with mass market commercialization opportunity. Two very very different vehicles and corporate intentions.
Here are my thoughts and take them for what they're worth.
The NSX is providing much of the Porsche 918’s technical specs at 1/6 the price but will deliver 80-90% of the performance. The Ford GT provides no technical breakthrough with mass market commercialization opportunity. Two very very different vehicles and corporate intentions.
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cement is fine. I like that word too.
how heavy do you expect the car to be? 9000 lbs?
iforyou just speculated the car could be in the 3600 lb range. Which I find to be a very reasonable estimate. While 3600 lbs is certainly a good bit heavier than the previous model, it is not too bad given this car has 3 electric motors.
A 3600 lb car with 550 hp will do the 1/4 in low-mid 11's. Give that some thought.
Here is a visual if needed:
how heavy do you expect the car to be? 9000 lbs?
iforyou just speculated the car could be in the 3600 lb range. Which I find to be a very reasonable estimate. While 3600 lbs is certainly a good bit heavier than the previous model, it is not too bad given this car has 3 electric motors.
A 3600 lb car with 550 hp will do the 1/4 in low-mid 11's. Give that some thought.
Here is a visual if needed:
The engine and hybrid system need a lot of cooling (11 coolers). So the weight is that high.
Problem with increase power is that, Honda Japan doesn't like that. They don't want a power war. The American team is fighting to have more power.
To be fair, 3600lb is a reasonable weight.
LFA: 3583lb
911 Turbo S: 3588lb
R8 V10 Plus: 3689lb
GTR: 3915lb
The NSX obviously has the extra battery pack and motors and stuff. I think if it can still obtain 3600lb, that's a real good achievement.
0-60mph:
LFA: 3.7s
911 Turbo S: 2.6s
R8 V10 Plus: 3.2s
GTR: 3.0s
458 Italia: 3.0s
MP4-12C: 2.9s
1/4 mile:
LFA: 11.8s@124mph
911 Turbo S: 10.8s@126mph
R8 V10 Plus: 11.4s@126mph
GTR: 11.2s@125mph
458 Italia: 11s@131mph
MP4-12C: 10.7s@134mph
If the NSX is at 3600lb, and it has 560hp in total, then that would put it in the same power to weight ratio as the 911 Turbo S. The NSX does have instant torque and 2 more gears. Even if it just matches the 911 Turbo S, that's enough to be better than the 458 Italia as claimed by Acura (other than the trap speed, or high speed acceleration).
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The 3600lb figure was thrown around by that rolledansx guy too. According to him, Honda is not happy with the weight and that's probably why they didn't announce it on Monday. Apparently, Honda is still optimizing - whether to use more exotic materials, and jack the cost up, or keep the weight, but increase power.
The engine and hybrid system need a lot of cooling (11 coolers). So the weight is that high.
Problem with increase power is that, Honda Japan doesn't like that. They don't want a power war. The American team is fighting to have more power.
To be fair, 3600lb is a reasonable weight.
LFA: 3583lb
911 Turbo S: 3588lb
R8 V10 Plus: 3689lb
GTR: 3915lb
The NSX obviously has the extra battery pack and motors and stuff. I think if it can still obtain 3600lb, that's a real good achievement.
0-60mph:
LFA: 3.7s
911 Turbo S: 2.6s
R8 V10 Plus: 3.2s
GTR: 3.0s
458 Italia: 3.0s
MP4-12C: 2.9s
1/4 mile:
LFA: 11.8s@124mph
911 Turbo S: 10.8s@126mph
R8 V10 Plus: 11.4s@126mph
GTR: 11.2s@125mph
458 Italia: 11s@131mph
MP4-12C: 10.7s@134mph
If the NSX is at 3600lb, and it has 560hp in total, then that would put it in the same power to weight ratio as the 911 Turbo S. The NSX does have instant torque and 2 more gears. Even if it just matches the 911 Turbo S, that's enough to be better than the 458 Italia as claimed by Acura (other than the trap speed, or high speed acceleration).
The engine and hybrid system need a lot of cooling (11 coolers). So the weight is that high.
Problem with increase power is that, Honda Japan doesn't like that. They don't want a power war. The American team is fighting to have more power.
To be fair, 3600lb is a reasonable weight.
LFA: 3583lb
911 Turbo S: 3588lb
R8 V10 Plus: 3689lb
GTR: 3915lb
The NSX obviously has the extra battery pack and motors and stuff. I think if it can still obtain 3600lb, that's a real good achievement.
0-60mph:
LFA: 3.7s
911 Turbo S: 2.6s
R8 V10 Plus: 3.2s
GTR: 3.0s
458 Italia: 3.0s
MP4-12C: 2.9s
1/4 mile:
LFA: 11.8s@124mph
911 Turbo S: 10.8s@126mph
R8 V10 Plus: 11.4s@126mph
GTR: 11.2s@125mph
458 Italia: 11s@131mph
MP4-12C: 10.7s@134mph
If the NSX is at 3600lb, and it has 560hp in total, then that would put it in the same power to weight ratio as the 911 Turbo S. The NSX does have instant torque and 2 more gears. Even if it just matches the 911 Turbo S, that's enough to be better than the 458 Italia as claimed by Acura (other than the trap speed, or high speed acceleration).
#4894
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The NSX isn't even out yet and there are already rumors of Type R.
The guy who claimed that the NSX is getting a longitudinal V6TT is now saying the Type R version will not be AWD.
Front TMU will be removed: -300lb
Smaller battery since less power demand: -100lb
More use of lightweight material: - 100lb
He's saying the NSX will tip the scale at around 3600lb, but the Type R will be closer to 3100lb.
The engine in the Type R will make 650hp, and the rear motor will make 150hp.
Would be interesting if this guy gets it right again!
The guy who claimed that the NSX is getting a longitudinal V6TT is now saying the Type R version will not be AWD.
Front TMU will be removed: -300lb
Smaller battery since less power demand: -100lb
More use of lightweight material: - 100lb
He's saying the NSX will tip the scale at around 3600lb, but the Type R will be closer to 3100lb.
The engine in the Type R will make 650hp, and the rear motor will make 150hp.
Would be interesting if this guy gets it right again!
#4895
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cement is fine. I like that word too.
how heavy do you expect the car to be? 9000 lbs?
iforyou just speculated the car could be in the 3600 lb range. Which I find to be a very reasonable estimate. While 3600 lbs is certainly a good bit heavier than the previous model, it is not too bad given this car has 3 electric motors.
A 3600 lb car with 550 hp will do the 1/4 in low-mid 11's. Give that some thought.
Here is a visual if needed:
how heavy do you expect the car to be? 9000 lbs?
iforyou just speculated the car could be in the 3600 lb range. Which I find to be a very reasonable estimate. While 3600 lbs is certainly a good bit heavier than the previous model, it is not too bad given this car has 3 electric motors.
A 3600 lb car with 550 hp will do the 1/4 in low-mid 11's. Give that some thought.
Here is a visual if needed:
And to your point, sure. Great. 3600 lbs is a good weight but guess what? You're speculating...GUESSING at what the weight is. It's all conjecture. Theory. And voila, this is what the "haters" are not impressed with. Honda has had ample time to release some technical information and again, chose not to.
Big reveal. Great looking car. Tell us some information...stop with the teasing that has started years ago. I don't think this is unreasonable.
#4896
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Type R Version
Really...
I'll believe when I see it.
Source: Hot Honda NSX Type R in the pipeline | Auto Express
I'll believe when I see it.
Ted Klaus, chief engineer for the new Honda NSX, has confirmed the carmaker is working on an even faster NSX Type R for release at a later date.
When asked whether he’d like to see a ‘Type R’ added to the NSX range at some point in the future, Klaus commented: “I think everyone who loves cars wants to see a version that we say is pure red.
“The NSX has always been silver first, moving towards red later. Someone asked me, ‘when will you be satisfied?’ Probably never. What you do today, you can improve on tomorrow.”
The original Honda NSX went on sale in 1990, with an R version joining the range in 1992. The NSX-R was specially modified for improved on-track performance, featuring stiffer suspension and a lighter body. The stereo and air-conditioning were removed, while new forged alloy wheels and a titanium gear lever helped drive down the car’s overall kerb weight.
While we can only speculate on the new car’s power, price and performance, the Type R to likely to be at least a couple of years away. We’re still waiting on official figures for the car standard NSX revealed yesterday, but Klaus said to expect more than 550bhp and a list price of mid $150,000s (around £99,000) when it goes on sale in the US this summer.
It’s clear Klaus and his team of engineers have high aspirations for the new NSX. It’s said to have the lowest centre of gravity in its class, designed to make it more agile and fun to drive. We asked which cars Klaus considered to be ‘in the NSX’s class’ – with him immediately listing the Ferrari 458, Audi R8 V10 and Porsche 911 Turbo as rivals.
That might sound ambitious, but with more than 550bhp on tap and peak torque available from zero revs, we can expect 0-62mph in less than four seconds. The standard gets Ferrari 458 gets 562bhp and will cover the same sprint in 3.4 seconds.
Mike Accavitti, Senior Vice President for Acura, commented on how the NSX felt to drive, claiming it is both “outstanding and astounding”. Of course, we’ll reserve judgement until we drive the car later this year.
Full UK prices, specs and UK release date are all due nearer the time.
When asked whether he’d like to see a ‘Type R’ added to the NSX range at some point in the future, Klaus commented: “I think everyone who loves cars wants to see a version that we say is pure red.
“The NSX has always been silver first, moving towards red later. Someone asked me, ‘when will you be satisfied?’ Probably never. What you do today, you can improve on tomorrow.”
The original Honda NSX went on sale in 1990, with an R version joining the range in 1992. The NSX-R was specially modified for improved on-track performance, featuring stiffer suspension and a lighter body. The stereo and air-conditioning were removed, while new forged alloy wheels and a titanium gear lever helped drive down the car’s overall kerb weight.
While we can only speculate on the new car’s power, price and performance, the Type R to likely to be at least a couple of years away. We’re still waiting on official figures for the car standard NSX revealed yesterday, but Klaus said to expect more than 550bhp and a list price of mid $150,000s (around £99,000) when it goes on sale in the US this summer.
It’s clear Klaus and his team of engineers have high aspirations for the new NSX. It’s said to have the lowest centre of gravity in its class, designed to make it more agile and fun to drive. We asked which cars Klaus considered to be ‘in the NSX’s class’ – with him immediately listing the Ferrari 458, Audi R8 V10 and Porsche 911 Turbo as rivals.
That might sound ambitious, but with more than 550bhp on tap and peak torque available from zero revs, we can expect 0-62mph in less than four seconds. The standard gets Ferrari 458 gets 562bhp and will cover the same sprint in 3.4 seconds.
Mike Accavitti, Senior Vice President for Acura, commented on how the NSX felt to drive, claiming it is both “outstanding and astounding”. Of course, we’ll reserve judgement until we drive the car later this year.
Full UK prices, specs and UK release date are all due nearer the time.
#4897
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
Any spec on the new NSX out yet?
#4899
Team Owner
I think Acura has Yumcha steaming in his boots, not letting him know the specs
They got you constantly talking about the car. And like they say- there's no such thing as bad publicity
All in good time, young Padawan. At least we know it's coming. And yes, it IS coming.
They got you constantly talking about the car. And like they say- there's no such thing as bad publicity
All in good time, young Padawan. At least we know it's coming. And yes, it IS coming.
#4900
Senior Moderator
I think Acura has Yumcha steaming in his boots, not letting him know the specs
They got you constantly talking about the car. And like they say- there's no such thing as bad publicity
All in good time, young Padawan. At least we know it's coming. And yes, it IS coming.
They got you constantly talking about the car. And like they say- there's no such thing as bad publicity
All in good time, young Padawan. At least we know it's coming. And yes, it IS coming.
You wanna see me steamed, try reposting without searching or posting stuff in the wrong thread.
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#4901
Senior Moderator
Jalopnik backpedaling on their earlier sentiments..........
The Interior Of The 2016 Acura NSX Is A Minimalist Paradise Of Awesome
why? because just like the rest of you haters, they jumped to conclusions before really knowing anything about the car.
The Interior Of The 2016 Acura NSX Is A Minimalist Paradise Of Awesome
why? because just like the rest of you haters, they jumped to conclusions before really knowing anything about the car.
#4902
Moderator
#4903
Three Wheelin'
Speed / distance / time isn't just about power and weight. Proper gearing has a lot to do with it, but is rarely discussed as much as HP and curb weight.
Poor gearing, no fame and fortune
We have to wait a bit longer to see how Acura geared the NSX, and the results for 0-60, 1/4 and top speed.
Poor gearing, no fame and fortune
We have to wait a bit longer to see how Acura geared the NSX, and the results for 0-60, 1/4 and top speed.
Last edited by FamilyGuy; 01-15-2015 at 10:16 AM.
#4904
Team Owner
I think Honda is well aware of how much is riding on this car. I was afraid this car would disappoint, but I'm starting to think it'll give us exactly what we've wanted, with room to only get better over time.
Speaking of which, I think honda as a whole is starting to get its act together. New CTR coming soon (I'm still holding my breath for a North American release), and now the announcement of turbo VTEC four bangers on the way for 2015. Should be good.
Since Honda had a strangle hold on the whole VTEC thing in the 90s, I'm wondering if they will up their game again and start throwing in a single electric motor for the "instant torque" the NSX is promising. Of course it would only be on the top end trim levels, and pricey, but hey, a GS-R back in the day wasn't cheap either. Honda was always known for their badass, small displacement, high horsepower engines, but there's only so much that can be done in NA form... Turbo/electric would bring them to the forefront again. Part of having a super car is for the trickle down effect, as far as technology is concerned. I don't except three electric motor civics, but i could see one electric motor...
Speaking of which, I think honda as a whole is starting to get its act together. New CTR coming soon (I'm still holding my breath for a North American release), and now the announcement of turbo VTEC four bangers on the way for 2015. Should be good.
Since Honda had a strangle hold on the whole VTEC thing in the 90s, I'm wondering if they will up their game again and start throwing in a single electric motor for the "instant torque" the NSX is promising. Of course it would only be on the top end trim levels, and pricey, but hey, a GS-R back in the day wasn't cheap either. Honda was always known for their badass, small displacement, high horsepower engines, but there's only so much that can be done in NA form... Turbo/electric would bring them to the forefront again. Part of having a super car is for the trickle down effect, as far as technology is concerned. I don't except three electric motor civics, but i could see one electric motor...
#4905
Three Wheelin'
Turbos are making a comeback all around.
#4906
Some dude
#4907
Team Owner
Does Honda have a pulse... Again?
#4909
Suzuka Master
Maybe color match it instead
#4911
Team Owner
#4912
Team Owner
no no no... Yumcha takes things as serious as... well... the rest of us.
Which on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest, he's probably at -2.
Which on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest, he's probably at -2.
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#4913
6G TLX-S
#4914
Team Owner
I think he meant that for ALL manufacturers... pretty much everyone already does, or soon enough will have turbos, all in the name of fuel economy.
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#4915
Moderator
#4916
Senior Moderator
#4917
Senior Moderator
#4918
Azine Jabroni
#4919
I'm going to leave this here... don't shoot the messenger :
Acura Botched Every Single Aspect Of The NSX Launch
Acura Botched Every Single Aspect Of The NSX Launch