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11-23-2009, 12:29 PM
#2201
The sizzle in the Steak
Grille Kit for Acura vehicles is like a band-aid for cancer.
11-23-2009, 01:58 PM
#2202
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11-23-2009, 04:30 PM
#2205
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its not just the grille. it needs to be re-designed.
11-23-2009, 07:48 PM
#2206
dealerships had already been providing the option of color matching the chrome grill for the TSX/TL. i was surprised to see a black TL on display in a Seattle mall, when the TL first came out, with the black beak.
definitely looked better than the chrome, but, i agree, total redesign is the solution.
definitely looked better than the chrome, but, i agree, total redesign is the solution.
11-24-2009, 01:47 AM
#2207
2G TLX-S
I believe this factory "grille kit" rumor will go on for another year and a half. By then the mid-model cycle change will officially kick in, and the ugly TL front grille will really get redesigned.
11-24-2009, 01:57 AM
#2208
2G TLX-S
This is different. The grille kit, if exists, is to rescue the TL sales. It is to try to bring back all those potential buyers who are scared away by the hideous TL front grille.
Not quite the same as selling larger wheels or other accessories to complement the car. The customer must be willing to buy the car first.
Not quite the same as selling larger wheels or other accessories to complement the car. The customer must be willing to buy the car first.
11-24-2009, 02:14 AM
#2209
2G TLX-S
With the high power V8 and V10 programs now dead, so goes the possibility of the flag-ship sport car. As a result, this is all Takanobu Ito can say in his about-face speech.
Honda never learn. Even the light-weight aluminium NSX had consistently been criticized for the lack of torque and power amongst it's class of sport cars. High power IS always the heart and soul for top-class sport cars.
Honda never learn. Even the light-weight aluminium NSX had consistently been criticized for the lack of torque and power amongst it's class of sport cars. High power IS always the heart and soul for top-class sport cars.
11-24-2009, 06:56 PM
#2214
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I think I said somewhere on the 4G TL board a year ago that Acura should come out with an optional grille kit. Glad to see they are fixing the Power Phlegm grille (if indeed true).
Another option is to contract with RonJon for his grilles.
Another option is to contract with RonJon for his grilles.
11-24-2009, 08:58 PM
#2215
I agree. You'd need a body color insert to accomplish that and I can already see the color match complaints. Hopefully they won't try that now. IMO, a 'black chrome' color would help lessen the impact on a darker color car. Maybe at MMC they can work on re-doing the bodywork to make the piece over the headlight continue in one piece (from fender to fender) and then get the grill below the cut line like in the TSX.
I was thinking the same thing. Although I do not have a problem with the grill as it looks great on a sunny day,they did take it to far by crawling on the hood. Like stated above only a redo of some of the body work will allow for a new redesigned grill that lines up with the headlights, the plenum would also look better if somehow they were able to get the plastic honeycomb pattern to line up with the bottom return of the plenum (i.e. move it out more, would not look like a beak)
11-24-2009, 09:12 PM
#2216
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Doesn't Acura use focus groups before they release shit ?? Are monkeys running the design and marketing departments ??
It's nice to see them coming up with a remedy, but the cars should have never been released looking that that in the first place
11-24-2009, 11:16 PM
#2217
2G TLX-S
^^^^^ It could be one of the many mistakes which finally led to the Honda CEO to change hands.
11-24-2009, 11:40 PM
#2218
^^ They do, and from everything I've heard it tested really well. I can only wonder if they asked the attendees the wrong question. ie. "Is it distinctive?" They answer "um yes" Bam, it's tested well.....
11-25-2009, 12:24 AM
#2219
What Would Don Draper Do?
dealerships had already been providing the option of color matching the chrome grill for the TSX/TL. i was surprised to see a black TL on display in a Seattle mall, when the TL first came out, with the black beak.
definitely looked better than the chrome, but, i agree, total redesign is the solution.
definitely looked better than the chrome, but, i agree, total redesign is the solution.
honda had that facebook account...
11-25-2009, 10:20 AM
#2220
Senior Moderator
Yup, totally depends on the questions they asked.
11-25-2009, 11:00 AM
#2221
old school
It's funny because I just had this conversation with my buddy Monday night. His RL (07 or 08) was in the shop and he had a new TL loaner, which he let me drive (I have an 04 TL). I agreed that it drove really well and was top notch inside but looked like ass outside. He claimed not to mind the grille too much, but he's not a fan of the back. This all led me to ask, for the umpteenth time, WTF Acura was thinking, considering this was about the most positive comment I'd heard so far on the TL's looks.How the HELL do you get past the drawing board with something that the vast majority of people find downright fugly, and the minority are "just ok" with?? Especially when the previous generation looked so nice (obviously biased here, but still).
Agree with those who say that a grille kit is a start, and a hopeful sign for a mid-model change, but the back (of the TL) needs a complete re-work as well.
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11-25-2009, 04:39 PM
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They translated the question from English to Japanese then once they got the OK they translated it back to English. By that time I'm sure it was something like:
"Do you like the nose of the large heron" or something like that.
"Do you like the nose of the large heron" or something like that.
11-25-2009, 06:46 PM
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11-25-2009, 08:05 PM
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With the high power V8 and V10 programs now dead, so goes the possibility of the flag-ship sport car. As a result, this is all Takanobu Ito can say in his about-face speech.
Honda never learn. Even the light-weight aluminium NSX had consistently been criticized for the lack of torque and power amongst it's class of sport cars. High power IS always the heart and soul for top-class sport cars.
Honda never learn. Even the light-weight aluminium NSX had consistently been criticized for the lack of torque and power amongst it's class of sport cars. High power IS always the heart and soul for top-class sport cars.
Where the hell you've been?
11-26-2009, 04:24 PM
#2232
2G TLX-S
Civilian drivers on the populated highways - no. It's more practical to have tons of hp at low rpm under your feet, rather than having to drive near the red-line all day long to get any decent power in order to challenge the 400hp sport cars on the other lanes.
11-26-2009, 04:29 PM
#2233
2G TLX-S
^^^^^ I always have this tendency to stand in front of the current gen. TL grille and solute it with awe. Maybe this is what the Acura beak makes people do.
11-26-2009, 04:52 PM
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And who they asked.
I've always wondered why they don't pool their actual customer base to see what they think. I have plenty of feedback to give for my first integra, cl and now my 2nd integra and a4 avant, but no one to provide that feedback to.
I've always wondered why they don't pool their actual customer base to see what they think. I have plenty of feedback to give for my first integra, cl and now my 2nd integra and a4 avant, but no one to provide that feedback to.
12-01-2009, 03:48 AM
#2236
problem with acura is that they have honda with the same options for less money. add to that craptastic styling (even the new ZDX has that fucked up grill) and that is what killed them.....
when the CL-S came out it was significanlty better than the accord coupe....by 2003, the accord was at the same level........
when the CL-S came out it was significanlty better than the accord coupe....by 2003, the accord was at the same level........
12-01-2009, 02:33 PM
#2239
אני עומד עם ישראל
Acura has a strategy?
12-04-2009, 11:04 AM
#2240
Happy Holidays!
The grill on the 2010 MDX looks decent, just like the TSX. Good flow. Not gigantic like the TL. Of course I prefer the original shield on the MDX. It's nice!
