jjsC5

4.9….13.6/103. Not Impressive for a car that has taken so long to catch up. They had some good to say about the handling and car in general, but overall I did not sense that they were smitten with it. They seems to still favor the Audi.

And this is the first I’ve seen it’s fuel economy numbers. What’s up with that? I thought my G70 was disappointing. The TLX-S is worse on the highway which is what I look at because that’s usually closer to what I get. To be clear, the Acura is better in the city.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/

Steven Bell

iTrader: (2)

^^^ Yea, this is EXACTLY one of the reasons I opted for a TLX instead of a Type S....it's just not worth the extra $20,000+ for the "upgrade'.

DubPK

You know I've seen you throw this $20,000 dollar number out repeatedly and I still do not understand how that is possible. Either it's insane ADM or you got the best deal on a brand new Aspec probably in the country. The Type S is only $8000 more MSRP but incentives probably made it more like $10,000 more. Where did the other $10,000 come from? Gotta be mark up I presume? In which case that's not the cars fault but scummy dealers, at only $8000 more the Type S is a lot more appealing if you were going to buy a TLX either way.

Sadly, by purely sports car standards, the S4 would be a better buy. It can be had for only a little bit more with way more power and more modern infotainment with more luxury features available. Type S will be a better deal when the price drops.

4G-Lover

Disappointing numbers considering the expectations, I guessed have done mid 4s.........at the end of the day this is exactly what the 4G SH-AWD 6MT was in its day....bigger than its rivals, good/excellent value for the money....but at its debut only the 335i was quite faster compared to the 4G, the TLX Type S instead now is the slowest of the bunch.
The 4G SH-AWD 6MT cleared the 1/4 mile in 13.8 @ 101 mph with a manual transmission, 4 less gears and all season rubber 12 years ago.....

Way too little to put some shine back to Acura.....before too long it will sell at discount, the above MSRP asking price is frankly silly.

jjsC5

I’m sure the car will make a lot of owners happy. I admit I’m a card carrying speed freak. The problem with the car is two fold. One is that they set high expectations. I’ve always said that in life we measure things against expectations.

Second is simply that there are cars even at exactly the same price point that are very good competitors and have much better numbers. The most obvious are the Charger Scat Pack, Genesis G70 and it’s sister car the Stinger GT2.

mikedub88

I really like the Genesis, but Charger and Stinger are just yuck for me ( charger styling is fine but I hate the visibility) and the stinger i hate the styling ( subjective I know). For me the Type-S is the best looking of the bunch and has the features I want with enough performance. I am with DubPK, i dont know where Steven gets the 20k premium over A-SPEC from.

flatlandtlx

From what I've seen, it's pretty routine for dealers to be running a $4k markup on the Type S which would put the price around $57k. I bought my A-Spec for $40,275. So, a Type S isn't $20k more than an A-Spec......but the difference is closer to $20k than $10k.

4G-Lover

I read some of the complaints about the Type S is that, absurdly, you cannot get some options that are pretty much standard even on non premium cars, for example the heated steering wheel.

The Type S seems incapable to harness the advantages of turbocharging.....even the 3.7 V6 Q50S was a hair faster (13.5 @ 104)

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

guise, Honda has the superior BHP. duh

Monte TLS,MAX

Well the 2009 G37 S was faster than the 4G SH-AWD as well "Zero to 60 now takes only 5.0 sec, with the quarter-mile obliterated in just 13.5 at 105.3 mph".2009 Infiniti G37 S Quick Test (motortrend.com) This TLX Type S car is putting numbers down now that competitors had a decade + and in some cases not as good, especially the 1/4 trap speeds!

4G-Lover

I always use as a source for the test Car And Driver for consistency...the G37 never did 13.5 on C&D, upper 13s and low 5s 0-60 (5.2-5.3 depending on trim)
I like the new TLX quite a lot, it's night and day better compared to the disastrous 1G TLX, but I cannot deny feeling disappointed by the Type S numbers.

jjsC5

I’ve seen tests of the Q50 Red Sport at 13.0 @ 112. That’s five years ago!

Monte TLS,MAX

I hear you but it has did it on couple sources including Motor Trend and at the track stock and that 1/4 trap is pretty on point, yea the numbers for the Type S are going to turn people off. A lot of the comments on C/D now that they published the article aren't that great.

4G-Lover

Yes, in fact I only mentioned the older 328 HP 3.7 V6 naturally aspirated model (which I did own). Faster 7 years ago....and consider the fact that the 7 speed transmission Infiniti still use is slooowww..

4G-Lover

Heck I was trying to find a slower 6 cylinder turbocharged competitor....even the Lincoln MKZ is faster (and heavier) with less aggressive tires. Claimed 400 HP, ancient 6 speed automatic 0-60 in 4.8, 1/4 in 13.4 @ 105 Skidpad 0.94

alpha0

Could that be because Honda is very late in developing 6 cyl turbo? I looked at car and driver stats for BMW 540xi which is same size as TLX-S and about similar weight. I was expecting TLX-S to match or slighly beat 0-60 and 5-60 of BMW 540xi. I also dont like that TLX-S mileage is 3 less than 540xi.

DubPK

Comparing against ADM is meaningless. The Aspec AWD is only $8000 less, maybe $10,000 with incentives, the $20,000 number is bogus. If the dealer was charging ADM then it's one of those shitty dealers taking its customers for a ride but in just a few more months the price difference will in fact be only $8-10 thousand betwen Aspec and Type S. Yeah sure you're right it's not worth $20,000 more but there is no fair situation where that is the price gap. I'd argue if you're going to buy a TLX regardless it's definitely worth the $8000 as you get the more fun version of it and a handful of Advance features missing from the Aspec and if you were going to buy the Advance trim it's only $4000 more.. but that's just me.

Kense

Disaster , in real world conditions it’s even slower. The average person will be getting 5.3 0-60 times. Those times are under best ideal conditions with a professional driver. Acura Damn well knows how to build a fast car they just refuse to do it outside the NSX.

dmski

By the 0-60 and quarter mile numbers is a fail for Type S. However, if that's all people looked at everyone would be buying a BMW. I bet you very few will actually see any track what so ever and the car is still plenty fast with lots of tuning potential. I think Type S will still sell well as the price gap is still there against the Germans. Everyone raves about G70 and Stinger but in terms of sales numbers they are still way behind Acura.

Honda430

ADM where being charged is just temporary. It will disappear as soon as the 2022s hit the lots if not before then. If you don’t have a car on order no need to rush out and try to buy one. Simply chill until inventory increases then go shopping.

F23A4

No question, within the vacuum of acceleration times the Type S is fairly disappointing. Especially given that the Accord 2.0T posts nearly an identical 0-100 time and a higher trap speed once well broken in.

That said, CTR 'kids' who are "growing up" will likely do all they can to snatch these off dealer lots.....even with that ridiculous ADM in many cases.

4G-Lover

Comment section on C&D is a massacre.....

DubPK

Performance isn't everything but the fact that it's barely any faster than a 2.0T/3.5L Accord is a real turn off when we are talking a $52,000-$54,000 performance sedan and the Accord is better equipped for many thousands of dollars less. The price gap with the Germans is also marginal, especially for the S4 which they invite comparisons against for some poorly thought out reason as the S4 can be had for only a couple thousand more and basically beats the Acura in every category.

4G-Lover

Problem is the car is not that exceptional in other areas....it's good and even very good but it's not that the others are bad....

Kense

99% of M3/4 owners don’t go to the track either. The problem is this was supposed to be a performance car. You can enjoy cars without the track. It’s too early to talk about tuning because nobody knows anything about this motor or if the tranny can hold that much power.

pyrodan007

The only thing that's saving the Type-S is that it's cheaper than the competition (proportionally priced is a better term) and it's faster than the regular TLX. Anything else is an illusion, nothing proves it will be more reliable.

jjsC5

But it’s the S model. The S is the one that is all about the performance. As Steven Bell points out, why not just buy an A-Spec if you don’t care about the speed?

ELIN

Not sure how many German luxury you've owned but the heated steering wheel is typically part of something like a "Cold Weather Package." You can still get the heated steering wheel as an add-on option for any TLX since Acura doesn't do packages.

Heated steering wheels are really only for northern US states and Canada and have no reason to be "standard."

dmski

Because I don't live my life a quarter mile at a time. Lol. Btw, I still got the Type S with no regrets and no I didn't pay any ADM....
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leomio2.0

No, but when you go to pass some c-u-next-Tuesday texting in the left lane doing under the speed limit in a K5 GT and you can't pull on them when they notice you trying to pass ... I'd be pretty embarrassed and regret paying a premium for the performance model that doesn't perform all that well.

A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.

F23A4

Honestly, I'm looking forward to running one at the track with my A-Spec (granted, I'm running a K-Tuner stage 2).

Legend2TL

that's all some people on the threads focus on living that 1/4 mile life

Classy move, replying to a new owner and then trash talking the car he just bought

jhb31

The Type-S is closer to the A4 than the S4. S4 can be had well equipped for less than a Type S.

ESHBG

I just don't know where Acura's head is at anymore and all of this is so disappointing.

jhb31

Typo, A4 can be had for less. S4 well equipped definitely a little bit more than Type S msrp.

4G-Lover

I did check the Sonata N Line 2.0 turbo......1/4 13.6 @ 106, according the C&D it does handle very well (still for a FWD) and the ride is not punishing.

It's funny the Hyundai gets it where Acura doesn't....

4G-Lover

My understanding was that the in the Type S you cannot get it even as an option.....and other gadgets as well

leomio2.0

Uh, what? I've been trashing the vehicle for quite some time now, and I wasn't attacking him personally for his purchase. It was a general statement about the performance of the car. Why are you getting offended on behalf of someone else? And why did you feel the need to use different color font?

ELIN

It is an option. You just have to pay Acura for the part and labor (unless you install it yourself).

https://www.acura.com/build-price/tl...42#accessories

BEAR-AvHistory

Recognizing that since the drags race that had plenty of post action before it took place but was something nobody cared about after it took place, same deal with the C&D numbers, I have a question.

As a Sports Sedan leaving out 0-60 & 1/4 mile #'s what metrics does the Type-S excel in among the 7 current cars that were on bilirubin's 5-60 list?

Sorry grandsons here to go swimming have to bail for a while