Beaverking

seriously they needed to keep the hype rolling. 95% of consumers have or will have already forgotten that it exists because they aren’t even trying to keep it on peoples minds. It appears Acura newsroom releases their update about the cars going into production almost exactly 1 month before it hits dealerships. They posted the mdx in production a couple weeks back and it hits dealerships in a couple weeks. So minimum we are at least 1 month out as they haven’t even announced production has started or when it will start. I’m starting to think it may end up a summer launch at this point if at all.

Tesla1856

Do you think they might re-fresh it before release and call it a 2022 ?
They could add:
- HUD
- Power-Folding-Mirrors
- Surround Cameras
- Digital Dash/Cockpit
- V6 engine re-tune for 375hp

... stuff like that. Keep price around $55k .

ELIN

I highly doubt it. Folks have already made plans based on what it doesn't have. How many feathers need to be ruffled?

Just be glad they were so up front about the features so far in advance.

MIKEYDRED

that would be great, hope they are listening, don't even need the HP increase as I'm sure trans can't handle it.

KeithL

Too late they lost me. I doubt they will add this stuff as the price is already up,there. I sold my 19 ASPEC 2 weeks ago and have been eyeing the Mustang Mach E at this point. Chatted with local dealer they expect one in a few weeks and I will go drive one. They said about 8-12 weeks on an order. I figure if life starts getting looking like it will get back to normal in the fall I will order one late summer.

Tesla1856

Yeah, also considered going full EV (since we still have the gas/PHEV Audi).

Not really a fan of Tesla autos, but Mach-E looked interesting. Another is Audi's version of the VW-ID4. Called the Q4-e , there will be a SUV version with Quattro and also a more sedan-looking Sportback version. But more waiting so I passed on all-that. Plus, not sure I want to beta-test an all-new model.

neuronbob

What's a Type S again?

The hype train is definitely off the rails for the Type S. Can you believe it's been nearly 18 months since Monterey Car Week 2019, when the concept was released? My guess is that they are tweaking it to be right at release, or there are manufacturing delays related to COVID. Both are understandable. It's been 13 years since the last Type S ended. I suppose we can wait another few months. In the meantime, I'm looking hard at a used RLX Sport Hybrid, or going full EV with the Tesla Model 3 Performance.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

For used hybrid vehicles, don't forget to factor in the replacement cost of the hybrid battery pack.

neuronbob

If I do a RLX instead of a Type S, the hybrid battery warranty is 8 years/100k miles, and I'd be buying a 2019 or 2020 used, so one with plenty of life left. I'm not worried about a Model 3's batteries, because I'd lease one and not buy it.

Edward'TLS

You know, I want a Type-R trim more than the Type-S, as in an all-out performance orientated TLX Type-R and a MDX Type-R.

With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.

neuronbob

Type-R is meant to be a Honda thing, but I get what you are saying. We will see, hopefully some time this year if there aren’t further delays, what Acura means the Type S to be. I doubt Acura is going to give us an even more performance oriented TLX. It’s not on their current product pipeline (the leaked one we all saw), and who’s going to pay that much? It’d be better IMO for Acura to release a “baby NSX” or a renewed S2000 in that $80-90k space. For me, personally, at that point, I’d rather level up to a NC1 NSX.

BEAR-AvHistory

Don't think Acura has a chance in hell in selling an $80,000 TLX-R. The RLX died because it was over priced for the market it was sold into. Had a lot of very good stuff like the hybrid performance package but the branding could not attract the $60,000 buyers.

RLX
Price as tested $62,865 (base price: $62,865)
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec @ 102 mph


BMW 335i M Sport priced as tested $56,000.
Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec
Street Start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph

BMW 2011 335is Price as tested $59,025 (base price: $50,525).
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5-4.8 sec 7DCT - 6MT
Standing ¼-mile: 13.2-13.5 sec 7DCT - 6MT

The RLX had outstanding performance for a car which debuted at the 2013 Los Angeles International Auto Show. US sales began during September 2014. Look up some 2014/2015 German cars. It was just a shade off my 2011 335is which also listed in the low $60,000 range & quicker that the base 2013 BMW 335 M sport (M sport was trim not a performance addition)

This month, Acura's NSX coupe has a larger monetary discount than any other vehicle in America. Buyers of the 2020 Acura NSX are scoring an average cut of $19,659 off the car's $159,530 sticker price. That equals a 12.3% savings for an average transaction price of $139,871. What's not said is they have been running $20,000 discounts for over a year now even before the Virus hit.

This is a time when delivery right now for C8 Corvettes are going for up to a $15,000 "Market Adjustment" over MSRP. The waiting list is about a year with 3 top volume dealers offering MSRP pricing. What really adds to this issue is the current car is only the base unit. The performance Z06 & ZR1 replacements are not even in production yet. The 2019 C7 ZRI pricing in Car & Driver was as tested $141,190 (base price: $122,095)

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

who in their right mind will spend 80-90K for such an Acura?!

jhb31

I do think they will release it as a 2022 model. I think even with the TLX one year they started selling the next model year before summer. As for your other wants that's more likely with a mid model update or the next gen. The civic will have 360 camera before the type S.

Of course with Acura you never know how long the Type S will be around till they put it back on the shelf like they have done in the past.

Tesla1856

Yeah, kinda went a little over-board there. So, more realistically ... a 2022 model with:
- HUD
- Magic Mirrors (Power-Folding/Surround-Cams)

Available as factory-installed options ... since baby TLX Advance already has those.

jhb31

Wasn't aware the advance has the 360 camera option. Got that on the S5 I bought and it's great (along with the "magic" mirrors which I turned off). Also didn't know the advance had the HUD display. I really enjoy that along with the speed sign recognition. Really wish Acura had stuck with the 3rd gen optioning where on the base model you got most features, navigation was extra but on the type S you got everything (along with brake/engine/body and interior upgrades) with the only option being summer tires. Was a great formula back then and probably one of the reasons why it sold so well.

Kense

LOL nobody with any sense is going to pay $80-$90K for a TLX when you can get an G80 M3 or M4, RS5, C63 etc for the same price. Especially knowing the TLX "Type R" will be still slower than all of them

jhb31

For what the price of the Type S will be there are a lot of options There will never be a TLX in the Audi R series category, no significant market for that. I highly doubt the type S will exceed the S series which base level for 2021 is below the predicted type S price of 55k estimated, while the 2021 S5 starts at 52k and 4.4 0-60. I am sure BMW offers something close to that performance at the same price.

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

but... that’s the starting price of the BMW without any options. The TLX will be at least fully optioned at that price.

jhb31

No doubt the TLX fully optioned will be less. Having gone from the TLX to an S5 for being tired of waiting on the TLX type S I am not sure a Type S will be much less than the S5 comparably. The S5 fully optioned out will outprice the Type S as it should as it will have options the Type S won't have at any price. If the type S is in the 55 to 60k range the price difference for the same options will be not too far off. Performance wise if they can match it that would be a good first step. My main concern (as with many acura owners) was maintenance costs over time. Oil change on Audi is $116 in my parts although the change interval is less frequent probably due to the larger oil capacity. Larger services more costly and more intensive when they come up. Reliability wise if maintained not much difference but Acura if true to form with the TLX it will be a lot less to service over the years. I would imagine the Type S may have a more intensive service schedule than the TLX though but that is an unknown.

Edward'TLS

Hey, when Acura were to release a $80-90k TLX-R, it sure in hell is gonna beat them all.

It's not that Honda/Acura is not capable, just witness the 2G NSX and the Civic Type-R, it is whether Honda/Acura wants to do it or not.

In addition, the TLX-R is an excellent tool for brand image building, so make it a limited quantity release.

Also, don't expect the TLX-R to make money, like the mass volume regular trims.

Do you know why Acura is having a hard time selling high priced vehicles, when Audi/BMW/Lexus/MB don't ? This all has to do with Acura's subpar brand image and brand recognition.

Just think of the TLX-R (and the $157K+ NSX) as marketing products, and the high performance brand image boosting effect is considered development/marketing money well spent.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

However it's been discussed that it won't be "fully" optioned. It's already missing key options that the advance model has and what the competition also offers. I remember reading that the TLX-S will arrive in the spring “well-equipped in the low to mid $50,000s.” To me, well- equipped may not mean Fully equipped. Also, by the time you start checking off some of those boxes to add anything, you can quickly see 60K+ before you know it and at that point buyers will go else where.

No offense to my post, but that's quite the bold statement..

Acura is NOT that type of brand. Can Acura make such a vehicle? Possibly. But who would buy it? They are not that type of brand to attract those buyers. More than just performance those other brands are already way ahead of Acura in technology, their proven performance and just the quality of vehicle for the price. The buyers of such high performance vehicles know what those vehicle can do and it also brings a different level of prestige. When I rented the 2020 NSX, A LOT OF PEOPLE noticed it, but 2 out of 10 knew it was an Acura. You get my point. It's not that type of brand.

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree, Acura products in the mid to upper Tier 1 price range really have a hard time with pricing. It will take a long time for it to shake the Honda top Accord model image. The RLX was ahead of the market in pricing & the NSX has the same problem

The NSX are being discounted into $139,00 & to near C7 ZR1 end of the generation Corvette pricing. According to Car & Driver the Corvette ZR1 they tested in 2018 was as tested $141,190 (base price: $122,095). Its expected the C8 ZR1 will be in the same general range as the current one. They account for about 1600 units per year. The NSX does under 300 units.

For the TLX selling at $80,000 its at well optioned BMW M money. The base M4 Coupe 473bhp is at $72,000 MSRP. With almost full options a M4 Coupe is $79,000. Daughter is buying a Pig Snout M4 convertible because she drives MT only & has only driven/owned convertibles since she got her drivers license.

Based on the M4 Coupe pricing & a chat with the person I got the Z4 from it should run in the $85,000 MSRP range less any discounts. She is a keeper so she will buy it not lease. Configurator should be out next month. Personally think the new design 4 series will take a big hit sales due to the front end. That said 473BHP & 503BHP engines & 6MT's will make a number of people who want a 4 seater over look the front end.

ELIN

I personally would get an AMG but to each their own!

BEAR-AvHistory

No problem with that. I got the Z4 instead of the M4 because it still has a version of the traditional grill & front fascia. That said with the limited number of strong sport oriented 4 seat MT convertibles available was not all that surprised she is getting the BMW. I would have bought last years design if it was not end of the "F" series that came out 7 years ago. A lot has changed since then & is incorporated into the 2021 "G" series.

She is a longer keeper than me & has an early :F: series M3 or M4 (can't remember when they made the split) convertible now.

jjsC5

Thats the conundrum I face for my next car. I have to spend less than my 540, so I have to decide whether features and luxury are more important, or performance. The M340 engine, basically a pumped up version of my 540 engine, is truly a thing of beauty.

Honda430

The base price for the S5 is in fact $52k. When optioned on par with the TLX-S the price is $65k. That’s quite a premium that might be justified to some and not to others.

ELIN

Does that take into account the TLX Type S will not have:

1) HUD
2) Power side mirrors
3) Heated steering wheel
4) Heated rear seats
5) Rain sensing wipers
6) Remote start button on keyfob
7) LED fog lights
8) Surround View Camera system
9) Front windshield wiper de-icer

This is a pretty long list that's apparently exclusive to the Advance trim.

https://beta.acuranews.com/en-US/rel...late-september

Honda430

Here you go. Bear in mind that Acura offers all the things you listed and the adaptive suspension for a total of roughly $2,000.

https://www.audiusa.com/us/web/en/mo...w/summary.html

MIKEYDRED

I can attest since I was heavily considering and S5, you get most of the Advance features in the Audi for about 63K on Audi site, this is before negotiating with dealers, they don't budge much on S5 though. The S5 includes features the Acura doesn't even offer like massage seats and the digital display as well as a panoroof. It's another reason why Acura was crazy not to have the Type S with all the Advance features especially when they are trying to price in low 50s at 10K less the vehicles with more cache are still going to be desirable to almost everyone else except loyalist, but you are getting less in a way in terms of perceived value. Side note, the Audi loses the flat bottom steering wheel and I believe only the Napa seating if you want heated steering wheel because that forces you into the cold weather package.

pyrodan007

Not to mention that performance is also a question mark at this point. Yes it may be 10k less, but performance wise it may also be 10% or so off as well. Less features and less performance matches it's cheaper price. So in the end, you may not be getting something cheaper, just something that's proportional to price.

Honda430

Here’s a tricked out S5 priced at $65,000 with destination and no Audi Care. Does not include pano or massage seats. Nice ride, but definitely a little pricy.

https://www.truecar.com/dashboard/XQ...e=price-report

ELIN

Looks like sporty drivers in wintry locales are mutually exclusive. LOL!

Tesla1856

I would take the flat-bottom steering-wheel. There are all sorts of heaters in there already (HVAC, front-seats, etc.).
Instead, I would go the other way with Summer-Package (ventilated seats).

BEAR-AvHistory

Saw a well equipped 2021 M440 X-Drive Coupe on display at the mall today & the sticker was $70,000. My last 440 Coupe 2018 with similar equipment less the 4X4 system was $63,000 MSRP. Prices are moving up. Coupe now costs what the convertible did last generation.

Personally don't think in the case of the TLX-S vs S5 that the price spread is a "premium". The S5 lives in a different market & is not just a more expensive TLX-S. Its a luxury item that sells at a price that people will not pay for a TLX-S

nist7

Slightly off topic, but from a general auto industry standpoint it seems like right now is a really bad time to buy cars new or used. Prices are high due to demand far out-stripping supply. And semiconductor manufacturing is also at capacity and cannot meet various industry demands (not just computers and other similar electronics but cars are heavily relying on semiconductor chips to function these days) which further hampers production and supply. Prices are also going up for used cars as well all across the board.

Definitely another uphill for Acura to battle in addition to what has already been stated ad-nausea here. Maybe we'll be surprised. Only time will tell.

leomio85

So, back on topic (I know, the nerve ...), anybody hearing anything new/updates on the TLX Type-S release?

bilirubin

Given how production on the Type S hasn't yet started (based on the TLX 2.0T and MDX, there's a 3-4 week turnaround between production and arrival to dealers), and that it's set for a "Spring 2021" release, we're looking at somewhere between April and June.
I'm thinking late May to early June.

BEAR-AvHistory

Do you know if the pre production cars have been built to test the assembly line yet?

jhb31

I traded in my 18 A-Spec Awd for and 18 S5. The S5 had original sticker over 68k optioned out while my TLX was about 45k new. I could afford a new S5 but there is nothing at all I miss from the TLX. I only had to drive the S5 for a mile to know I wanted it. Prestige package, sport package, 1k paint color option, napa leather, hud display, premium wheel/summer tire option, carbon fiber inlays, massaging seats and another 2k in other options. No comparison at all with the 18 tlx and I understand why it was more new. Did also get an additional 5yr warranty added on. I think if you are going to 55k or more for a type S then for 10k more it's worth a test drive on a very very nicely optioned S5 or an m series.

Hopefully the type S has Significantly better performance than any TL or TLX that has been out. I have a hard time figuring out how much faster a 350hp TLX will be vs the near 300hp current model. The turbo will help I would imagine. I have had 5 new acuras and this is the first time in 12 years I have bought a used car but one drive was all it took.

Handling wise the S5 is crazy good while still having a super comfortable ride. One of my main problems with the 07 type S I had was I felt every bump in the road.