BEAR-AvHistory

Really, You must be new here the references, print adds & vids going back a number of years would not fit on this page. Its been going on so long now am sure one of the fans can whip out his charts, graphs & vids. Forum search is your friend.

ESHBG

It's wider than a RDX crossover. So yeah, it kind of is approaching that territory with its size/width/weight. Good to hear about the handling but for those of us that live in environments where dimensions are really important this was a letdown, especially when you aren't getting the interior bonuses from the size increase.

richii0207

I guess it’s not as big of a deal as you make it out to be then, if it was true. I don’t see the numerous magical unicorn posts. If it was years ago, then get over it and stop living in the past.

richii0207

It sounds like you should get some good tires and brake pads.

BEAR-AvHistory

I thought you would jump on that real fast. Think I forgot to say "right up to the current day"

In the 295 cars + tested on Lighting laps the 2022 TLX-S set a record of being the only car in the 16 year history of the event that had it brakes fail on 3 straight days even with special high performance Pads & Type-S rotors. A stack of new brakes parts were flown in by Acura from Ohio & changed every day of the test.

Car & Driver said:

"Even with uprated brake pads fitted, the massive Acura burned through a set of pads and rotors each day it was on track"

It sounds like you should get some good brakes.

norsairius

Gotcha - I was so caught up in the comparisons that I admittedly didn't look at your comment from this perspective.

I've personally found the brakes to be fine. They haven't stood out as being particularly exceptional or bad in my experience, but then my driving style is more reserved than it used to be so I'm sure that has something to do with it. I agree there is better out there though, but of course there should be. Brake pads/rotors aside, the brake pedal feel in the TLX actually surprised me as I found that I liked it a lot, probably more than any other car I've had. I can't think of how to articulate the differences into words, but I found the brake pedal feel to be really good once I got used to it aside from it simply being different due to the TLX being new to me. Again, personal preference though. I have no idea how it feels if it starts to fade though as I simply haven't pushed the car hard or long enough to cook the brakes.

richii0207

Track wear is not the same as street wear. Same way some cars heat soak on the track but not on the street….

BEAR-AvHistory

But it did not happen to 297 other street stock cars on the same track including 10 Honda cars. Also Acura has a history of brake issues like defective brake rotors that warped & pistons sticking.

bilirubin

That's simply not true. Case in point, Kia Stinger GT...

ELIN

I realize many on AZ are enthusiasts and will mod or do their own work on their car. Unfortunately, I'm not one of those. I base my observations on current and previous cars simply on how it comes "out of the box."

I'm guessing a few owners/potential owners are like me and want to know how well the car is w/o "tinkering." Any additional investment should further drive down any perceived value Acura is bringing on purchase, no?

richii0207

Agreed, but you are looking for more stopping power than what the car does off the assembly line. Brake pads and tires will not bring down the car’s value and will only help the stopping distance.

robnalex

So the TLX 2.0 L, 272 HP I-4 weighs almost as much as the M340xi 3.0 L, 382 HP I-6.

The TLX-S has a striking, bad-ass exterior that its performance doesn't quite match. The M340i is the true bad-ass performer wrapped in a more conservative, stealthy exterior. Size-wise, the smaller, 253 lb lighter M340i gets much better fuel economy and has much more useable interior space that includes more rear-seat legroom and a bigger trunk with cubbies and attachments for cargo nets, etc.

That said, the TLX-S is still a beautiful, fast, comfortable car that handles well, is a pleasure to drive, and costs about $12,000 less than a similarly optioned M340i. It's just different strokes (and different budgets) for different folks. I have no doubt that I would enjoy driving a TLX-S, I just prefer the faster, smaller, lighter, more tossable M340xi.

ELIN

Am I correct that you are recommending after-market brakes and not simply asking me to replace the OEM brakes? I have less than 9000 miles on the car and barely drove it in 2020 to first half of 2021.

Edit: I didn't say it would bring down actual car value. It's just additional investment you may not have anticipated when driving the car off the lot (brings down perceived value).

richii0207

No, you are incorrect, I was refereeing to brake pads. Not brake lines, rotors, calipers, etc.

fiatlux

Many owners have already said that they bought the TLX for its looks and not it’s ability to go fast (or slow down evidently). Methinks they don’t care about those metrics because if they did, they wouldn’t have bought this car (if not they’re either suffering from buyers remorse or deluding themselves as a mental defense mechanism). At this point I think it’s become clearly obvious that the regular TLX is not a conventional performance/sporty car, even if steering feel and handling makes it feel sporty.

As for the brakes, objectively they might not be up to the task of trying to beat physics, but I thought the brake feel was excellent. I suppose that’s what this car is all about; a car that “feels” likes a driver’s car (which makes it fun) even if objectively the numbers paint a different picture. Safety notwithstanding, it’s fine as long as you never take it to the track and don’t go balls to the wall in the twisties.

richii0207

Fortunately, it's only the non-owners that seem to have the most complaints or biggest issues. And those people usually seem like mr.knowitall as if they know something we don't. I am hoping nobody goes "balls to the wall in the twisties" with any vehicle, freak accidents do happen and can affect innocent bystanders.

BEAR-AvHistory

Good Gotcha
My bad the TLX-S missed on the Stinger . The TLX-S still holds #1. Stinger required their pricy Euro spec performance pads. The TLX-S already had there US Spec performance pads (car not sold in the EU) on the car to start. They were replaced plus rotors giving the TLX-S the win.

Did the Stinger fail with the Euro Spec Pads?

See richii I did not know that & bilirubin enlightened me, nobody knows everything. Anyone can learn things if they listen, read & keep their minds open.

Great thread over at M3/4 that I linked to here where almost all the posts answering the guys 911 vs M4 what should I buy recommended said buy the 911 based on his intended use. Thought it was the correct choice. The recommendations were not snarky see you posts but were well thought out responses.

richii0207

What exactly are you looking to achieve or what is your endgame? I can’t seem to figure it out. It’s not meant to be snarky, it’s just repetitive information that can be read from anyone who is literate and can assess a car review.

tlmarc

To talk about bmw and their greatness as much as humanly possibly while constantly reminding everyone in an Acura forum that their Acura sucks. All while not owning an Acura. Seems like a too much free time and a possibility that Acura touched him inappropriately.

BEAR-AvHistory

Its pure entertainment nothing more nothing less. Most of my career was in multinational marketing. I find it fascinating seeing how people react to Acura's marketing strategy over four generations The whole SHAWD program was brilliant in developing Acura's handling image. Its also interesting they have been able to keep up the quality image despite some really bad years. Its also been interesting in following the composition of the forum members from generation 3 when I came on board to generation 2 of the TLX program.

At one time the mods were pretty much all Acura owners, don't think that true any more although I see guys like Tony Pac are now stepping up & deleting my posts. Gen 3 was probably the most active or one of the most active car sites on the net. Now unless a hater pops up that needs to be slapped down this forum is in Zombie land.

Besides this thread says vs the Competition. You expect the TLX guys to define the competition? Jon's charts laid it all out who the competition is Audi, BMW, MB. Not my fault he could have picked Stinger, Genesis, Buick & you would be golden here.

FWIW or not the Z4 forum for a car that sells less than 300 cars a month seems to have equal posting volume with this site.

BEAR-AvHistory

Correction IIRC I have never said TLX/TLX-S sucks. I said its not the car that Acura represents it to be. Its a good nice looking family car. As I said in the other post if Jon wants Acura to compare themselves to some German cars its an open invitation to me. Only fair to get both sides of the story. Lots of times its just little things like puddle lights that don't work even after they are replaced, other times it big things like transmission fixes that don't fix the transmission. All brands go through ruff periods.

Tesla1856

Just as a heads-up, over at AudiWorld, Acura is really never mentioned, at least not as a competitor. However, every once-in-a-while a previous-or-still Acura owner pops up. Thought yall might like to see this:

--------------------- User 1

Quick Story for ya ... After I retired from the military I had a lot of leave built up, so, I got a lump sum check .. I put a down payment on the new Acura TLX Type-S .. Finally, after months it arrived . I took it out, the stereo absolutely Blew my mind, as a young teen I installed stereos.. Alpine was probably top of the line in early 90s and I'm telling you that the stereo was Flat out insane , I had thought my jeep SRT 19 speaker Harmon Kardon was the best ever, until, I heard the Type S.

So as I Pulled away I knew this was the car (or so I thought) The SH AWD was just amazing and the new Brake system felt better then my six piston Brembos on my Skat pack.. ..The Acura stopped on a Dime .. OMG was this Car quiet and Tight !!! Esc on the highway ...Then, it happened ...I got on the Atlantic city expressway in Dynamic plus mode and stabbed it ... Something was wrong??, Right away I was sure I messed up on the Knob and maybe I had it on Eco or Sport ?? So, I double and triple checked ....Then it Dawned on me like the chargers and Track hawks it has 2 key fobs a black and red ..Wrong .... I began to ask the salesperson what's wrong with this car?

It's not going anywhere. It sounds awesome but its a PIG ... max torque comes in at 1800 rpms, this car was dead up top ... AND for near $60k ??? This is what I been waiting for ?!! So then I started reading all the reviews and almost every single one mentioned how under powered it was ... I was beyond shocked that they hyped up a car this much .. I tune Ford's and I'm at the track a lot and I have yet to see a Type-S break a 13.90.101...That was the same day I test drove a 2020 S5 loaded but it was too much money for me.. So, I waited and Got my current 2019 S5 ..

------------------ User 2

The TLX Type S is roughly 250 lbs heavier than an S5 Sportback...that's pretty significant considering Acura definitely had their sights set on the S5 as competition (and the S5 had been out 4+ years longer). So much for benchmarking and bettering your product offering Acura...

richii0207

Legend2TL

Who know? To see how much he posts in the 2G forum to consistently trash talk a car he's never driven is fairly bizarre and borders on childish behavior to say the least.

+1

F23A4

tlmarc

Heads up tho, Jon is not here lol. We are not Jon, you’re spinning your wheels for no reason( for this deeply offended feeling u have towards Jon). Everybody is lying to you all day every day in this world. I wouldn’t get your panties in a bunch over somebody who mislead you on a car u actually never bought. And yes I think we’ve had your side of the story 10,000x over and I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say I think we got it. You’re like the damn bmw energizer bunny. We know how great you are and how great bmw is by now. If I wanted to learn about bmws I’d go there, but I prefer to pass so stop selling target goods in a Walmart.

Camaro194

But the internet has to know the truth. We need to make sure that no one makes a $50k purchase entirely based on marketing.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

LOL...entertaining for who??? Apparently for YOU!! As has been said...IF us Acura folks want to know about a certain "other vehicle" we know how to look up that
info very quickly and check out what we MAY want to know. We don't need it spoon fed to us....ALL THE TIME...over and over. They must have kicked you off the
BMW owner's site. And, if not, then...GO BACK...I'm sure they miss you!

tlmarc

Not sure if that’s a joke. If not, I think y’all got better causes to chase than buying a luxury sports car. I would bet 9 out of 10 owners never heard this deeply offensive/deceptive marketing from Jon or Acura. Nobody gives a shit, except a weird few here. PS, most every company lies to you and deceives you.

Good joke tho, honestly feels like how some of these people think. Like we’re buying this car car Acura said it was great. No shit they did. You think Lexus is saying our cars are ehh, ok. Or Mercedes’ is saying eh this new model kind of sucks. But u should still come buy it pleas

richii0207

I have consumed many Red Bull and still can’t fly. I felt lied to. Where is the Red Bull forum? I was promised wings.

BEAR-AvHistory

Start with Its just a car not your alter ego. In car land the average 2021 non-luxury vehicle stood at $43,072, so Its not all that expensive with a FORD Raptor Ranger pickup is going for $85,000.

Geeze you guys really do get upset over a freeken car. Its just a car not you personally & will be gone when something better comes along. Why are you so defensive? Just use ignore if I make you unhappy, modern tech is wonderful in protecting you from stuff you don't want to read or hear. Maybe y'all should not be so passive & defensive about the product & provide feedback to Acura to make it better as people are voting with their wallets about things Acura does not want to here. They have a problem & are not addressing it with their current programs.

Total sales are down over 50,000 units a year from their highs. You know that 200,000 unit goal the set for this year well they passed that goal in 2005, 2006 came close again in 2007 along with 2015 then continued to crash. Why does a medium priced product fair so badly in the market with such a strong but small fan base?

Colorado Guy AF Ret. sorry but you guys are entertaining to me. Might even be to some others who drop in here who knows.

richii0207

You seem strangely obsessive and passionate against a vehicle you do not have, not ever driven. It seems that you are the one that’s emotionally upset, over the marketing. I don’t know of any product in which the marketing has bothered me so much that it made want to constantly spam threads with copy and paste lines from websites and reviews. What insightful information can you provide us that we can’t already read/watch from a car review?

I wouldn’t want to ignore something that entertains me and makes me chuckle. Why don’t you just send an email to this Jon guy to voice out your frustration and title it “You know nothing, Jon Snow”.

ESHBG

Between the constant use of CAPS, the horrible spacing and paragraph structure, and wanting everyone banned or for them to go to some other manufacturer's site when they don't agree with you, you are indeed one of the entertaining ones around here and why we stick around

richii0207

Is that admitting to trolling?

FYI, he never asked for anyone to get banned. Don’t exaggerate.

ESHBG

Negative, these posts are entertaining and especially when they are directed at me just because I don't always share the same opinions.

Exhibit A:

As you probably know by now...you should follow your own advice. Move on since you don't have anything helpful to contribute here on this forum. Find one that has vehicles you just LOVE!
We don't need you lurking and disparaging Acura's and US for liking them. You honestly...don't belong here. And, IF you continue doing your BS...I'm sure many of us will ask the Moderator
to shut you down. You contribute...NOTHING.....NOTHING for folks that are here to learn more about their Acura's, share about their Acura's, and want help with functions, etc. Comparisons
are fine...as long as it's not the main THEME of every post a person makes...and thus thinks that all other SUV's are better for whatever reason.

https://acurazine.com/forums/4g-mdx-.../#post16795889

richii0207

Ahh, I don’t read half the posts here since they are mostly spam. Even when I am replied. Figures

F23A4

I’m taking it as a joke/sarcasm. Agreed with your post; generally the most drama seems to emanate from those who regard Acura’s Type S promo as the most egregiously deceptive advertising campaign in the history of Madison Avenue…and then continue to harp on it in perpetuity.

All that said and back towards the topic at hand, how about this rattle box of a competitor to the Type S:

norsairius

I think the Stinger offers a really compelling package. I remember being particularly impressed when I saw one in person for the first time. The rear seats appeared to have more space than I expected but that trunk with its hatch opening really wow-ed me. The performance is also great. However, build quality issues are what make me most hesitant to pick up a Stinger considering its price. Rattles and creaks on something that expensive aren't acceptable, especially considering how quickly they seem to appear in a relatively new car. It wouldn't surprise me as much if it was in car that's been driven longer and beat up on public roads though.

I'll add that I've got a couple minor rattles in my TLX that I hope the dealer will be able to address and I'll be dropping it off on Monday to have them looked at, so we'll see. I'm more tolerant of them since the TLX is a lease, but I'd be more upset about it if I financed the car with the intent of owning it. This was also an inherent risk though since it's the first model year of a new design.

I think the only truly rattle free car I've had was the Mazda CX-9 that I leased in 2018. Though I don't think I kept it long enough to see how well it would hold up over time. Every other brand of car I've had has had some rattles or creaks, but some of those were also older/used when I bought them.

That said, I think some rattles/creaks can be tolerable but it depends on how much rattling/creaking there is, how often they come up while driving, etc.

F23A4

Since 2009, I’ve had 6 MDXs (09, 12, 15, 17, 20, 22) and 3 TLXs (16, 19, 22) and only the 15 MDX had a rattle coming from the moonroof which seemed to disappear after a few months.

At the price point (new) being discussed, rattles are unacceptable. Maybe the lowering of personal standards these days relegates something like this as acceptable. (Probably a reason for Kia’s high quality rating as well.) Then again, I guess the HK sound system helps to alleviate the occupants exposure to said rattling.

sombasol

Uh oh kia forte GT commercial shows it drifting, better go to a kia forum and saturate every thread about how its fake marketing…


or how about them showing the kia stinger drifting in reverse so hard the entire race track is covered in smoke, and i dont even believe it has the ability to turn back time. I bet thats not even real tire smoke!



Come on! the hyundai elantra N commercial shows literally nothing but race track useage, better go to a Hyundai forum and saturate every thread about how we should contact their CEO for false marketing!…


get outta town! Heres the G70 and its on a racetrack with a helmet on and tire smoke too! How dare they!


Clearly everyone should be showing off how awesome their new car is like BMW by showing 60 seconds of hipsters and 4 seconds of your car because thats the appropriate way to market your vehicle without causeing years of resentment


It should be pretty clear to everyone that using a race track in your car add =sporty car. Thats it. They all do it and somehow it is not an issue anywhere else. Its normal. Is it a little more then any of these cars are really intended for? Absolutely, but thats the thing about marketing, its supposed to make you want the product. If they made a 40second add of the car sitting in traffic it probably wouldnt elicit much of a response. Thats not the point. If you want to talk about bad marketing look at that trash M235i add.

Get over it.