Camaro194

You paid how much for that car and you still have a primitive gas cap to fiddle with?!? Pass.

frainc

I know what the title says, but come on with the BMW stuff. It's just not this thread but every thread here. Does he go in the BMW forums as much as here? If he does, them here must be on the computer 24/7

Tony Pac

I will start deleting any commenting here that are irrelevant to ACURA TLX. It's fine to share your experience as the title says Competitions, but if you are here to discuss how great BMW is. Please go to BMW and start chatting about the details. All non relevant posts will be deleted!
thanks,

robnalex

OK. We traded this:



For this:



Car #1: Nice, fat, heavy, slow

Car #2: AMAZING!

frainc

Nice, have fun and goodby

richii0207

Tesla M3P much faster and cheaper. EV would have been a wiser choice with gas prices about to soar. Enjoy your choice.

robnalex

Have fun and HELLO!

robnalex

But of course, dear. LOL!

Legend2TL

1) Congrats and enjoy your new M340i when it arrives , they sound awesome from their reviews and AZ members who've driven them

2) on your Car #1 description, didn't you already know that when you test drove and first looked into it? It's not like your TLX went out and ate alot of meals at the CheeseCake Factory after you bought it.

Tesla1856

Not a nice way to talk to a fellow Acura owner.

Pretty sure a 2019 RDX is an Acura ... it was last time I checked anyway.

F23A4

I guess what's really being 'celebrated' is his final realization of what was already known by most.

While I'm a fan of the M340i, I'd opt for the i4 M50 EV variant.

richii0207

It was really from a user saying bye to his TLX and buying a BMW and boasting about it literally the very next post after the moderator posted about how the thread was turning into a BMW infomercial. It’s interesting to see that the TLX and the M340i are often compared or talked about together. Usually things that are not in the same league are not mentioned together, but the comparison and the constant talk prove that they cater to the same audience.

ELIN

I'm pretty sure the M340i is only being compared the the TLX Type S and not regular TLX.

The hype around the TLX Type S ensured a much greater fall when compared against it's intended competition.

Tesla1856

Actually, no.

The Mod's post said " start deleting any commenting here that are irrelevant to ACURA TLX. It's fine to share your experience as the title says Competitions, "

@Robnalex post
a. actually had a pic of the Acura-TLX that he owned. How is that not relevant ?
b. shared his experience with a new BMW .

And finally, he's still an Acura owner.

robnalex

OMG, it doesn't take much for you girls to get your panties in a bunch. I would never trash the TLX or anyone who drives one. It is a very nice car, and I could write a long list of things I really liked about it, some of which were actually better than in the M340xi, such as the seats and the sound system. When we bought the TLX (before the Type-S was released) we thought we might be trading it in a couple of years for a Type-S, but then the Type-S arrived on the scene, and the reviews plus Acura's hyperbolic marketing got us looking at BMW.

Although I did a good amount of research on the TLX before purchasing it, I somehow missed the info about its weight and size and didn't realize how big and heavy it was until driving it for a while. The TLX handles extremely well, but I was always aware of its weight, and of course, the Type-S is even heavier. I was also not wild about the width of the car (wider than our RDX) on narrow, 2-lane roads. We wanted something faster, lighter, and generally more competent. One upside of trading when we did was that the dealer gave us exactly what we paid for the TLX in trade.

TLX is a really nice car, but as everyone on this forum knows, when it comes to cars, it's different strokes for different folks. If it makes the Acura fanboys feel better, we still have and really like our 2019 RDX.

richii0207

Well, whatever the case is, they often still get compared to. Case in point, the person who traded his TLX for an M340i or those who talked about the M340i in this thread. People want to talk down on Acura owners but get touchy when their preferred brand is under fire. The road goes both ways.

fiatlux

Sounds more like he traded up his TLX for an M340i instead of a TLX Type S. It wasn't exactly an even trade.

frainc

I'm glad you still an Acura owner, but don't make the TLX sound like it's like a truck with its width and weight. As you noted it handle extremely well, which it does, but you wanted something faster. I get that, as noted, people want what they want, so be happy as I am with my TLX after a year.

richii0207

The only reason why people keep talking about weight is because they read “heavy” in car reviews that regurgitate the same “heavy car” slogan. The car is nimble on his handling and brakes well. There are other sedans that weigh the same, or more, than the TLX. Someone started the whole “heavy” talk adjust seems moot. Are we weight conscious now with cars too?

Legend2TL

it's not that, it's the

1) not realizing those characteristics upon initial research and/or test drive

2) The RWD M340i (3849lb) is actually slightly heavier than the TLX SH-AWD (3838lb) and FWD (3709lb)

3) calling TLX 5.9 0-60 slow is all relative. To me that still seems fast

4) Last but certainly not least, please post here about how the M340i is when you receive it. Should be alot of fun to drive.

Legend2TL

There tends to be some "victim complex" in the 2G TLX forum and it would be great to see it fade away

richii0207

What do you mean when you say “victim complex “?

Legend2TL

My bad, i just reread the true definition and what I should have wrote was "victim mentality"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality

BEAR-AvHistory

deleted!

richii0207

Care to show reference/source for the claim?

ELIN

I also feel less safe when I have to give way more distance than previous cars I've owned so I don't hit the car in front of me.

Car and Driver has a '21 TLX SHAWD stop in 177 ft from 70-0 mph. That's about an eternity for a car with sporty aspirations:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Just for reference, true sports cars stop closer to 130 ft. Something pedestrian like a Camry is b/w 150-160 ft. Feel free to look for cars that the TLX competes with that are worse (you won't find many).

MarcoTLX

Well I aint mad at ya congrats on the M340i I seen some in the wild and even raced one in "Mexico" it's a fast machine. For a split second I been thinking about going to test drive one... but i am still sold on the Type-S purely for the looks aside from its sporty nature.. the looks are so menacing and aggressive compared to the M340i in my opinion. Definitely can't wait to be puttering around the mid-atlantic east coast in a Type-S this summer

F23A4

IMHO it's more of the scorned ex-girlfriend mentality as a lot of this began with 15 TLX (3.5 owners) who bore the brunt of 1st year blues. Unfortunately, rather than dying in the 1G TLX forums it omicronned into the 2G forums.

richii0207

Then it sounds like the TLX is not for you. I am sure there plenty of other vehicles that suit your braking needs. I personally won’t drive a vehicle I don’t Feel safe in. No car is perfect, unless of course you have a BMW. /s

BEAR-AvHistory

Could be on the street actual vs mfg listed . Magazines based on the weights posted in their tests said this. Motor Trend 4,179 lb, Car & Driver 4201 lb, Auto Blog 4200 lb, Motor Authority 4,221 pounds (or 4,200 pounds with the lightweight wheel/summer tires equipped), Motor Biscuit (It weighs in at 4,221-pounds, that’s 242-pounds more thanBMW's M340 x Drive and 374-pounds more than Audi's S4. Edmunds 4221lb

2021 Acura TLX Type S
Vehicle Type: front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan Curb Weight: 4201 lb

2020 BMW M340i xDrive
VEHICLE TYPE front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan Curb weight: Curb weight 3950 lb

2021 Acura TLX SH-AWD
VEHICLE TYPE front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan Curb weight Curb weight: 4026 lb lb

2019 BMW 330i xDrive
VEHICLE TYPE front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan Curb weight: 3709 lb


2020 Acura TLX
VEHICLE TYPEfront-engine, front wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan Curb weight 3784 lb

2019 BMW 330i
VEHICLE TYPE front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan Curb weight: 3681 lb

Quote:

3) calling TLX 5.9 0-60 slow is all relative. To me that still seems fast

Does that make the 4 cylinder 330 @ Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec is also fast? Just wondering what the cutoff point is.

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree the TLX G 2 has had an excellent launch. But the 2G, 3G, 4G & 1G TLX certainly kick the always reliable legend right in the ass. Like the Germans it seems that Acura has now cleaned up its act. Only issues against the German cars are you allowed now to go back in history to prove a point like the 2010MY vid. Have to leave at that or a 2G, 3G, 4G, 1G TLX post on real TL/TLX-1 issues would most likely get deleted by Tony Pac.

norsairius

I agree that 177 ft is pretty long for a 70-0 stop, but for a vehicle to stop from 70 in ~130ft, you're looking at the likes of Ferrari, Porsche 911 GT2s or GT3s, Dodge Viper ACRs, etc.: https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...raking-tested/

That said, the M4 put in a very respectable 146 ft. 70-0 stopping distance: https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m4

And the M340i, 155 ft (scroll wayyy down): https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/

While we're using Car and Driver numbers, they got 165 ft. with the Type S: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/ - The Car and Driver link you provided was for the non-Type S and on a TLX wearing the mediocre OE Michelin Primacy A/S grand touring tires.

The M340 and Type S were both using summer tires, though the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S summers on the Bimmer are arguably among the best summer tires you can get. I have no idea how the Pirelli P Zero PZ4s on the Type S compare. The Michelins do have a higher customer survey score on Tire Rack though. That said, that extra half car length makes sense considering the extra heft of the Type S (almost 400 lb more than the M340, using the weights noted in the articles linked above).

Edit: Car And Driver's numbers for the 330i, 165 ft. 70-0 stopping distance with all season tires: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ - still shorter than the "regular" TLX though, but the 330i also ~300 lb lighter. Not saying 177 ft. is good, it isn't, but there is some rationale behind it. I think it could be better and better tires would easily improve braking distances for both cars.

BEAR-AvHistory

The first thing you check when your M4 comes in is the tire sidewall. If it has Pirelli's PZ4 instead of the Michelin PS4S you lost the tire lottery. If you lose see if you can work out a trade with the dealer.

Tires are one of the key items the other is the weights. That said the TLX-S brakes made a bad showing at LL even with the optional pads. Its something to be concerned about IMHO. Its not the only generation that has had brake issues.

norsairius

Agreed. I'm thinking the weight of the TLX contributed to much quicker wear on the brakes which would explain the Type S's poor braking performance. The TLX simply can't escape its portliness but seems to handle surprisingly well despite that. I assume C&D's numbers in the articles I linked are probably from their instrumented tests and represent the best distances they achieved.

We've beaten the proverbial dead horse to a pulp on the Type S not being intended to be a track monster and Acura's marketing with the car at Laguna Seca implying otherwise (yadda, yadda) but I'd imagine that the rotors/pads on the Type S are reasonably sufficient for the average enthusiast that may have some occasional fun on public roads in relatively short bursts. On a track though, again, not so much.

I think Acura should've advertised the TLX as a grand touring premium sedan with sporty aspirations rather than primarily as a sports sedan. My experience with the TLX is that it's amazing for everyday comfort/usability, long distance drives, and occasional fun.

richii0207

Can you show the source/reference for this? I’ve seen you claim this several times.

Tony Pac

Super happy for you! Congrats and I must say a beautiful car. I am sure you will enjoy and have lots of fun!

Tony Pac

I have no problem with people comparing and saying BMW 3 series is better and compared with TLX....go ahead and post if it makes you feel better. But if I see anything that is irrelevant will be deleted! I do not want to see BMW 8 series engine and Ferrari gauge cluster here.

robnalex

⬆️ This is false.

2022 BMW M340i: 3,849

2022 BMW M340xi: 3,968

2021 Acura TLX SH-AWD: 3,982

2021 Acura TLX Type-S: 4,221

Our current M340xi is only 14 pounds lighter than our previous TLX SH-AWD, so I'll give you that, but the Type-S, at 4,221, is 253 pounds heavier.

ELIN

As an owner of a 2.0L TLX, I provided information that supported my feelings on stopping power after well over a year.

ELIN

I’ve owned many cars and the car that has worse brakes than my TLX was a 2011 Sienna minivan. My experience definitely shows “better” is out there.