Tony Pac

I think by summer 2024, we will hear some news about the “2025 RDX”. The car may come late 2024 or like mdx in Q1 of 2025. But it’s due for a change for sure

Pens Fan

RDX is a very important vehicle for Acura so taking a bit longer to release the new model is a smart move.

ELIN

Wow, so you guys don't think Acura considers the ZDX a complete replacement for the RDX? It's apparent they didn't hedge very well since there's not an Acura hybrid in sight and probably put all their eggs in the EV basket!

Tony Pac

Agreed! I remember when they came up with 2019 model, Acura said, they have to be very careful with RDX as this is a very important car for them. I prefer Acura takes their time and build another successful RDX just like previous and current gen

Pens Fan

ZDX in size is close to the MDX so it was never likely considered a "replacement" for the RDX.

fiatlux

This. The ZDX is a replacement for the RDX as much as the Prologue is a replacement for the CRV (i.e. not at all).

KidK

I hope Honda, like Toyota, is rethinking the 100% BEV strategy. More performance hybrids and less 100% Electric until the charging networks are in place and able to sustain is my vote. Regardless of model.

vertigo2

Especially on electric vehicles like the ZDX which is just a repackaged Chevrolet. No thanks.

Tony Pac

I just checked and no sales numbers for MB. I am assuming they are fudging their numbers to look "GREAT" just like most German manufactures do joking!

F23A4

Although they are going with NACS starting with the 2025 model year, I agree with Toyota's strategy as well. EVs still need a little more time to bake and coupled with GM EV tech, I'd probably wait until the 2G Prologue or ZDX before considering Honda EVs.

Legend2TL

[QUOTE=F23A4;16921430]Although they are going with NACS starting with the 2025 model year, I agree with Toyota's strategy as well. EVs still need a little more time to bake and coupled with GM EV tech, I'd probably wait until the 2G Prologue or ZDX before considering Honda EVs.[/QUOTE]

+1, with alot of US BEV sales growth mostly in Tesla this is a wise business decision.

Legend2TL

This is already happening at Honda with their latest hybrid drivetrain in the Accord/CR-V proving to be the majority of sales. Next the Civic will get the same treatment. Remains to be seen if it transitions back to Acura, which have LOTS of hybrid experience.

fiatlux

Hah I hit the nail on the head. 32,698 is the final tally for the C-Class: https://media.mbusa.com/releases/mer...-sales-q4-2023

jhb31

With this run of cold weather the downside of modern EV's is really showing up. Batteries too cold to charge, which I have heard directly from tesla owners at my work. Range loss of 30% overnight just from it being cold out. Also reports of owners going to charge and it taking 4 hours in cold weather to get the same charge that normally takes a half hour due to not only the batteries taking longer to charge in cold weather but the owners running the heat so they don't freeze to death while it's charging. Meanwhile the people waiting on the charger run their batteries dead keeping warm in line. Not everyone can always charge at home or has the ability to do it. The govt trying to force people into EV's which are not ready for prime time is crazy. Who wants the headache? Imagine driving by 10 gas stations looking for a working charger and then when you do there is a line for it. May not be the norm everyday but it is happening to people.

Tony Pac

Wow! Nailed it!

Tony Pac

Updated numbers as of Jan 18:
A quick recap of cars sold last year similar to TLX:
BMW 4 Series: 50,778 = 24%
BMW 3 Series: 33,816 = 16%
C-Class: 32,698 = 15%
Audi A5: 23,807 = 11%
Lexus IS: 22,521 = 11%
Acura TLX: 16,731 = 8%
Audi A4: 13,369 = 6%
Genesis G70: 13,246 = 6%
Infiniti Q50: 6,201 = 3%

fiatlux

Worth noting that Volvo's slow-selling S60 even notched 12K sales last year.

ELIN

Does that include the Recharge? Alex on Autos made a very compelling case for that trim on the latest TLX Type S video review, ironically.

fiatlux

It should

Flapjackura

Interesting that the IS is outselling the TLX. In the NW suburbs of Chicago, I hardly ever see 2021 or newer models of the IS out on the road. I see 1 or 2 2021 or newer TLX's pretty much every day, not including the base TLX that belongs to one of my neighbors that I see every night.

fiatlux

Must be regional. Here in the Bay Area, I see a TLX once every couple of months, whereas I see multiple IS's daily. It's bizarre because the previous gen TLX was pretty popular and I'd use to see them all the time. Now, I can count on one hand the number of current gen TLX's I've ever seen in the wild. My wife (who had a previous gen TLX) didn't even know there was a new generation until a few months ago when I pointed out that I finally saw a Type S on the streets.

F23A4

To me they seem to outnumber the 2G TLX near me, both with growing prevalence. Central Jersey is a sales mecca for Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus products, and a black hole for brands like Genesis.

I am surprised regarding the A4 numbers as I definitely see enough B9.5s on the roads yet not exactly a ton of A5s.

Flapjackura

Since the last exterior refresh, which was a couple of years ago now, I can count on the fingers of one hand how many G70's I have seen in the wild. I see a fair amount of Kia Stingers by comparison. Odd that the Stinger has been canceled and the G70 has not. I have a lot of respect for the G70, but Genesis has pulled an Acura in terms of head-scratching decisions for the 2024 G70: Even after a website posting boasting that a full digital cluster would be coming for the '24 G70, when it finally showed up on their website for pre-orders a couple of weeks ago, that feature is still missing - and you still have to put up with the weird (and ugly) half analog half digital cluster.

mvl

Headscratching sales drop in January. Down Y-O-Y, every Acura model dropped except the RDX. All Honda's went up except for the Passport/Odyssey.

Probably Honda is deliberately going downmarket due to the high-interest rates. Also, I think the announcement of substantial refreshes to the MDX, minor refreshes to the RDX, and a new ADX probably have the buyers now waiting on what MY25 is bringing.

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-co...o-sales-up-103

GhostTL09

iTrader: (1)

People are buying the ZDX. TLX not so much. Whats weird is the volume sold is consistent.