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The reason the Accords and Camrys of the world continue to thrive is because of decent fuel economy. The current gen TLX had no chance!
If people buy the TLX and then don't like the gas economy, they should have checked that out before getting the TLX. I get 20 mpg around my area and 30-33 mpg on the highway. I could drive my all day long and not feel tried and a great riding car. The touchpad is so easy to use, don't understand how
many people complain about it. Everything in my car just works as I now have almost 11,000 miles of no problems at all.
I really don't know what I would get next if the TLX is gone when my lease is up. Guess I will have to wait until that time and see what I like.
If people buy the TLX and then don't like the gas economy, they should have checked that out before getting the TLX. I get 20 mpg around my area and 30-33 mpg on the highway. I could drive my all day long and not feel tried and a great riding car. The touchpad is so easy to use, don't understand how
many people complain about it. Everything in my car just works as I now have almost 11,000 miles of no problems at all.
I really don't know what I would get next if the TLX is gone when my lease is up. Guess I will have to wait until that time and see what I like.
I agree with you here. The TLX could be perfect with minor upgrades to the existing platform. I don’t see Acura getting rid of the TLX.
Bad comparison. Kia is economy brand. Acura is entry luxury. Add in the G70 2.5t AWD, you'll find it has less fuel economy than the TLX. Some features are "optional" that are standard on the TLX. Then the rating, per that site, falls short of the TLX.
Bad comparison. Kia is economy brand. Acura is entry luxury. Add in the G70 2.5t AWD, you'll find it has less fuel economy than the TLX. Some features are "optional" that are standard on the TLX. Then the rating, per that site, falls short of the TLX.
On paper, fuel economy is identical b/w the Stinger 2.5 and a TLX 2.0 (City/Hwy/Combined at 21 / 29 / 24 MPG). I know from my experience that the TLX 2.0L underperforms compared to EPA estimates where other cars I've owned either meet or exceed them for the same roads (including my current X3)! Since both the TLX A-Spec and Stinger GT-Line are both porky at near 4000 lbs, I expect the Stinger doesn't meet EPA estimates either!
Yes, Acura and KIA have different customers but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking at the Stinger before I pulled the trigger on the TLX! Surely I wasn't the only one making such comparisons back in the day?
On paper, fuel economy is identical b/w the Stinger 2.5 and a TLX 2.0 (City/Hwy/Combined at 21 / 29 / 24 MPG). I know from my experience that the TLX 2.0L underperforms compared to EPA estimates where other cars I've owned either meet or exceed them for the same roads (including my current X3)! Since both the TLX A-Spec and Stinger GT-Line are both porky at near 4000 lbs, I expect the Stinger doesn't meet EPA estimates either!
Yes, Acura and KIA have different customers but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking at the Stinger before I pulled the trigger on the TLX! Surely I wasn't the only one making such comparisons back in the day?
Nothing about the interior of a Kia is premium luxury feel. You may have looked at it, but once inside it probably didn't meet minimum expectations. I owned a Kia Optima SLX or whatever the top trim was brand new off the lot and was not premium. So no one, from my own experience will convince me a Kia competes with an Acura.
Exactly. They all miss something so I wouldn't say TLX is so flawed that's why people are not buying them. I had the 21 so pricing was excellent (before Acura raised it) and it came with a lot of options that US cars didn't get. Similarly optioned Germans were $20K+ more. Major issue is the security system. So f*n easy to steal them. Once my got jacked it was time to move on to ze Germans....
On paper, fuel economy is identical b/w the Stinger 2.5 and a TLX 2.0 (City/Hwy/Combined at 21 / 29 / 24 MPG). I know from my experience that the TLX 2.0L underperforms compared to EPA estimates where other cars I've owned either meet or exceed them for the same roads (including my current X3)! Since both the TLX A-Spec and Stinger GT-Line are both porky at near 4000 lbs, I expect the Stinger doesn't meet EPA estimates either!
Yes, Acura and KIA have different customers but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking at the Stinger before I pulled the trigger on the TLX! Surely I wasn't the only one making such comparisons back in the day?
I'm looking at my spec for my 2023 TLX and it's 22 city and 30 highway (Front wheel drive) and around town I get 20-21 and highway 31-33 depending on distance. It's also how you drive will affect your mileage, heavy foot, speed, etc.
I'm looking at my spec for my 2023 TLX and it's 22 city and 30 highway (Front wheel drive) and around town I get 20-21 and highway 31-33 depending on distance. It's also how you drive will affect your mileage, heavy foot, speed, etc.
Yes, that's why I qualified my statement by saying "my roads", etc. My only point of comparison amongst different cars is how I use it for work, errands, vacation, long trips, etc.
I'm sure the TLX is the perfect car for a lot of folks but we've already established it's become more and more niche. If the TLX was profitable, they wouldn't be limiting production in favor of RDX models that are just as long in the tooth as my X3!
On paper, fuel economy is identical b/w the Stinger 2.5 and a TLX 2.0 (City/Hwy/Combined at 21 / 29 / 24 MPG). I know from my experience that the TLX 2.0L underperforms compared to EPA estimates where other cars I've owned either meet or exceed them for the same roads (including my current X3)! Since both the TLX A-Spec and Stinger GT-Line are both porky at near 4000 lbs, I expect the Stinger doesn't meet EPA estimates either!
Yes, Acura and KIA have different customers but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking at the Stinger before I pulled the trigger on the TLX! Surely I wasn't the only one making such comparisons back in the day?
Meh. Thing is; there were a few reviewers that was saying the Stinger was in a class of it's own. Other than the Maxima and Ford Fusion Sport, I don't think there was anything else Kia built the 3.3t to go up against. It was just....there. Interiors on Kia is always below standard to the usual buyer. You might have looked at the Stinger before the TLX but the general public that's looking at the TLX isn't looking at Kia at all.
Exactly. They all miss something so I wouldn't say TLX is so flawed that's why people are not buying them. I had the 21 so pricing was excellent (before Acura raised it) and it came with a lot of options that US cars didn't get. Similarly optioned Germans were $20K+ more. Major issue is the security system. So f*n easy to steal them. Once my got jacked it was time to move on to ze Germans....
Correct it is not overly flawed but it's a big sedan without any of the benefits, the Type-S is sporty but is it as sporty as it should be for the money, etc.? There is a gap between what the TLX is vs what it should be and that is why it is rapidly dying.
Originally Posted by ELIN
I'm sure the TLX is the perfect car for a lot of folks but we've already established it's become more and more niche. If the TLX was profitable, they wouldn't be limiting production in favor of RDX models that are just as long in the tooth as my X3!
Exactly, more niche when it can't afford to be right now.
[QUOTE=ESHBG;16943416]Correct it is not overly flawed but it's a big sedan without any of the benefits, the Type-S is sporty but is it as sporty as it should be for the money, etc.? There is a gap between what the TLX is vs what it should be and that is why it is rapidly dying.
To capture more of the market they could've put the Type R engine in the Aspec trim. With some mild handling/tire upgrades (like in the 1G TLX Aspec) it would be a very attractive package for a lot of buyers.
As a former 1G TLX owner and current Stinger owner, I'll weigh in.
The 1G TLX felt like a Buick, relatively. During my test drive of the Stinger, I immediately noticed the Stinger's lower driving position and its smoooooth ride. I bought the '21 2.0L GT-Line, and haven't missed the TLX other than the V6's instant off-the-line response. The Stinger's quality is generally premium, not luxury, but that's fine for me. The interior is still a nice place to spend time, with classically styled vents and knobs, and a great sound system with touchscreen CarPlay. I love the wine-red leather seats: visually exciting, but not garish. I've averaged 26 MPG over the life of the vehicle, with a heavy mix of 75+ mph highway and rush hour stop-and-go driving. On lighter traffic days, I record 31-32mpg getting to work.
I really wanted to like the 2G TLX, but it's just too huge and wide... not just visually, but it actually won't fit in my garage next to our MDX. Acura badly needs to reintroduce the TLX as a tidier sportback. I put my fishing poles in my Stinger this morning, and 2 week's worth of groceries from Costco in it this afternoon. I wouldn't rule out a sedan in the future, but I'll look first at liftbacks.
As a related aside, I looked at the A5/S5 Sportbacks, but they felt 1" smaller in every dimension. I felt like the door was pressing on my shoulder; the rear seats were super snug. They look cool as hell though, and they still turn my head when I see them on the road. Size-wise and style-wise, the Stinger is just right, just like Honda/Acura used to be.
As a former 1G TLX owner and current Stinger owner, I'll weigh in.
The 1G TLX felt like a Buick, relatively. During my test drive of the Stinger, I immediately noticed the Stinger's lower driving position and its smoooooth ride. I bought the '21 2.0L GT-Line, and haven't missed the TLX other than the V6's instant off-the-line response. The Stinger's quality is generally premium, not luxury, but that's fine for me. The interior is still a nice place to spend time, with classically styled vents and knobs, and a great sound system with touchscreen CarPlay. I love the wine-red leather seats: visually exciting, but not garish. I've averaged 26 MPG over the life of the vehicle, with a heavy mix of 75+ mph highway and rush hour stop-and-go driving. On lighter traffic days, I record 31-32mpg getting to work.
I really wanted to like the 2G TLX, but it's just too huge and wide... not just visually, but it actually won't fit in my garage next to our MDX. Acura badly needs to reintroduce the TLX as a tidier sportback. I put my fishing poles in my Stinger this morning, and 2 week's worth of groceries from Costco in it this afternoon. I wouldn't rule out a sedan in the future, but I'll look first at liftbacks.
As a related aside, I looked at the A5/S5 Sportbacks, but they felt 1" smaller in every dimension. I felt like the door was pressing on my shoulder; the rear seats were super snug. They look cool as hell though, and they still turn my head when I see them on the road. Size-wise and style-wise, the Stinger is just right, just like Honda/Acura used to be.
Appreciate your Stinger insight! Big sedans are going the way of the dinosaur and it may just be down to Camry and Accord left when the dust settles!
Looks like a sign of the times. Cost of living and consumer goods has gone up over the last few years, pair this with higher interest rate on loans and the data is now showing us that consumer demand has softened. Although I’m sure there’s other factors that vary by automotive manufacturers, nonetheless vehicle sales are slowing down.
As a former 1G TLX owner and current Stinger owner, I'll weigh in.
The 1G TLX felt like a Buick, relatively. During my test drive of the Stinger, I immediately noticed the Stinger's lower driving position and its smoooooth ride. I bought the '21 2.0L GT-Line, and haven't missed the TLX other than the V6's instant off-the-line response. The Stinger's quality is generally premium, not luxury, but that's fine for me. The interior is still a nice place to spend time, with classically styled vents and knobs, and a great sound system with touchscreen CarPlay. I love the wine-red leather seats: visually exciting, but not garish. I've averaged 26 MPG over the life of the vehicle, with a heavy mix of 75+ mph highway and rush hour stop-and-go driving. On lighter traffic days, I record 31-32mpg getting to work.
I really wanted to like the 2G TLX, but it's just too huge and wide... not just visually, but it actually won't fit in my garage next to our MDX. Acura badly needs to reintroduce the TLX as a tidier sportback. I put my fishing poles in my Stinger this morning, and 2 week's worth of groceries from Costco in it this afternoon. I wouldn't rule out a sedan in the future, but I'll look first at liftbacks.
As a related aside, I looked at the A5/S5 Sportbacks, but they felt 1" smaller in every dimension. I felt like the door was pressing on my shoulder; the rear seats were super snug. They look cool as hell though, and they still turn my head when I see them on the road. Size-wise and style-wise, the Stinger is just right, just like Honda/Acura used to be.
Interesting. While I agree regarding the TLX largish proportions and given that garages have differing dimensions, I generally have no spacing issues between my 21 A-Spec and 4G MDX.
The TLX is not optimally sized for utility and every time I hop into my 16 AV6 Touring, I’m reminded of this. But, it’s still been a great ownership experience since day one back in 21. (Still getting my fair share of complements from complete strangers. 😎
Interesting. While I agree regarding the TLX largish proportions and given that garages have differing dimensions, I generally have no spacing issues between my 21 A-Spec and 4G MDX.
The TLX is not optimally sized for utility and every time I hop into my 16 AV6 Touring, I’m reminded of this. But, it’s still been a great ownership experience since day one back in 21. (Still getting my fair share of complements from complete strangers. 😎
Side note: that is a sweet garage setup!! As I begin looking to buy my first home I am gung ho about having a garage lol
TLX Just isn't a strong seller though that yearly units-sold drop from 2023-2024 is attributed to them "halting" production on the TLX
If they cranked the production and actually offer some discounts on all trims I'm confident they would sell just fine. However, Honda is flip flopping not sure where they are going. I bet you they changed plans last minute again. Where is the all new RDX??? If Acura goes all electric now they may just turn to next Infiniti with low sales and dealers shutting down. Demand for EVs is not there and the prices are too high.
Interesting. While I agree regarding the TLX largish proportions and given that garages have differing dimensions, I generally have no spacing issues between my 21 A-Spec and 4G MDX.
Nice stable of vehicles and garage!
My garage is single-door style with little depth on any side. If I don't veer over slightly to the left when parking the MDX, and keep my Stinger's passenger side mirror as close to the garage frame as possible when pulling in on the right side, then I have to squeeze getting out of my Stinger as it is. I've been in the house 20 years and never gave a thought to the size of our cars until recent years. We've always had a family hauler and a sedan (e.g., Odyssey and 3G TL, or the 3G MDX and 1G TLX). I'd like to move into something larger (Audi A6/A7, previous gen BMW 5-Series, even the TLX) but cars in general have gotten huge, and the house hasn't kept up with size inflation.
My garage is single-door style with little depth on any side. If I don't veer over slightly to the left when parking the MDX, and keep my Stinger's passenger side mirror as close to the garage frame as possible when pulling in on the right side, then I have to squeeze getting out of my Stinger as it is. I've been in the house 20 years and never gave a thought to the size of our cars until recent years. We've always had a family hauler and a sedan (e.g., Odyssey and 3G TL, or the 3G MDX and 1G TLX). I'd like to move into something larger (Audi A6/A7, previous gen BMW 5-Series, even the TLX) but cars in general have gotten huge, and the house hasn't kept up with size inflation.
....just after I submitted my reply, the thought that you may have the single door style garage came to mind. I can see where that could get hairy given TLX proportions. As it is, it's only about 50% of the time that I'm able to slide my MDX or TLX into the garage with a single movement. With my 9G Accord, I don't even have to pay attention as it has a ton of clearance.
This dude's better off getting cars that you can "remote control" into the garage! LOL!
If people want to be lazy that's on them,
the vehicle on the left just has to back in and can have better access to get out without worrying about a wall.
Well that's interesting. Someone on r/Acura who claims to have been a chassis program manager for the TLX says that the reason the rear legroom on the TLX is so bad is because it uses carryover seats from the RDX (apparently Honda didn't want to invest money in new seats). That seems to track, since I always felt that the overly thick front seatbacks really eats into the knee room for the rear passengers, and now that I think about it I think the TLX does indeed have the same seats as the RDX.
Well that's interesting. Someone on r/Acura who claims to have been a chassis program manager for the TLX says that the reason the rear legroom on the TLX is so bad is because it uses carryover seats from the RDX (apparently Honda didn't want to invest money in new seats). That seems to track, since I always felt that the overly thick front seatbacks really eats into the knee room for the rear passengers, and now that I think about it I think the TLX does indeed have the same seats as the RDX.
Whats bad about that if I may ask as dumb as it may sound of me asking lol
I guess it's not so bad if the brakes are good. I've owned both a Camry and a Sienna. Camry brakes take more foot power to stop than other cars. Sienna was a heavy car that never seemed to stop when you need it to (reminded me of my A-Spec). Let's just say I wasn't overly confident in either Toyota's stopping power!
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