0-60 & 1/4 mile times
#361
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So, serious question to the guys more knowledgeable on auto transmissions, geared (no pun intended) more towards the Type S ... what kills auto transmissions with high horsepower mods? Can they hold reliably with more power on highway pulls where not as much stress is put on them? Or will they die just the same as being launched hard? Wonder if the Type S would cope well as being a highway "monster" with a larger turbo to make something in the neighborhood of 500HP or thereabouts ... or if it would just mean blown trannies left and right. I don't know how much aftermarket support there would be for beefier components for this 10AT.
#363
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So, serious question to the guys more knowledgeable on auto transmissions, geared (no pun intended) more towards the Type S ... what kills auto transmissions with high horsepower mods? Can they hold reliably with more power on highway pulls where not as much stress is put on them? Or will they die just the same as being launched hard? Wonder if the Type S would cope well as being a highway "monster" with a larger turbo to make something in the neighborhood of 500HP or thereabouts ... or if it would just mean blown trannies left and right. I don't know how much aftermarket support there would be for beefier components for this 10AT.
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#364
So, serious question to the guys more knowledgeable on auto transmissions, geared (no pun intended) more towards the Type S ... what kills auto transmissions with high horsepower mods? Can they hold reliably with more power on highway pulls where not as much stress is put on them? Or will they die just the same as being launched hard? Wonder if the Type S would cope well as being a highway "monster" with a larger turbo to make something in the neighborhood of 500HP or thereabouts ... or if it would just mean blown trannies left and right. I don't know how much aftermarket support there would be for beefier components for this 10AT.
#365
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Very interesting. Especially the possibility that it's the SH-AWD system, particularly the diff and clutch packs being the weak links. I wonder if doing some redneck engineering and adding something to make the fluid more viscous (ie: those Lucas additives ... which I'm still convinced just make the fluid thicker) would help cope with higher outputs. Probably not, but you never know. I know many shouted that the Tremec T56 was recommended to use Dex III ATF in GM applications and most people shouted anything else would destroy the transmission. Decided to go against the grain and added Synchromesh and everything shifted so much smoother. It didn't cure the notchy 2nd gear (synchros were notorious for being incredibly weak), but it made a very noticeable difference. Yes, completely different application and perhaps an exception as opposed to the rule, but I'm convinced Honda recommends fluid based off MPG over anything else. Even the diff fluid is basically the same viscosity as ATF.
Eh, who knows ... purely throwing baseless sh*t into the universe. Hopefully some YouTuber gets their hands on one and decides to try to go for stupid power to find the limit of the powertrain and surprises everyone by making lots more power than we all thought the puny SH-AWD could take. Unless they tune out the torque mitigation at launch ... then even stock it'll likely eat itself alive.
Eh, who knows ... purely throwing baseless sh*t into the universe. Hopefully some YouTuber gets their hands on one and decides to try to go for stupid power to find the limit of the powertrain and surprises everyone by making lots more power than we all thought the puny SH-AWD could take. Unless they tune out the torque mitigation at launch ... then even stock it'll likely eat itself alive.
#366
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Reportedly it drops down to 5.3s after it breaks in. Even more awkward. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
Sounds about right, based on the frame numbers after I pulled the video, I got ~6.6s (see https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16633375 for proof).
#367
There must be something in the air in the Santa Cruz mountains...either that or he knows the secret Konami code to unlock launch control in these cars.
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#368
So some of the major publications have given out their estimates...
Car and Driver: 5.7 to 5.9s
Motor Trend: 5.7 to 6.9s (yes, 6.9s)
Automobile Magazine: 6.5s
Autoblog: 5.5 to 6.0s
Keep in mind these are just estimates and have been way off before (eg. the RDX was about a full second slower than C&D's estimates).
EDIT: And also Motor Authority: "an Acura rep told me it’s about the same as the last car’s V-6, which would put it at about 5.7 seconds."
Car and Driver: 5.7 to 5.9s
Motor Trend: 5.7 to 6.9s (yes, 6.9s)
Automobile Magazine: 6.5s
Autoblog: 5.5 to 6.0s
Keep in mind these are just estimates and have been way off before (eg. the RDX was about a full second slower than C&D's estimates).
EDIT: And also Motor Authority: "an Acura rep told me it’s about the same as the last car’s V-6, which would put it at about 5.7 seconds."
#369
Alex-on-Autos got 5.7s, but before you get excited, he also got 5.7s for the RDX. Video timestamped below...
So Close To Greatness | Acura TLX First Drive Review
So Close To Greatness | Acura TLX First Drive Review
Some of those posts did not age well at all...
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#370
2021 TLX DOES 0-60 in 5.7 SECONDS!!!!!!
The first reviews have been released. The 2021 TLX does 0 to 60 in 5.7 seconds. That’s the fastest out of all slower competitors in the segment!! (Again, not comparing the faster German rivals; however I suspect the V6 Twin Turbo Type S will give them a run for their money). Not only that but it is also among the best handling and most fun to drive!!!!
ACURA IS BACK!!! Eat that haters!!
#371
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The first reviews have been released. The 2021 TLX does 0 to 60 in 5.7 seconds. That’s the fastest out of all slower competitors in the segment!! (Again, not comparing the faster German rivals; however I suspect the V6 Twin Turbo Type S will give them a run for their money). Not only that but it is also among the best handling and most fun to drive!!!!
ACURA IS BACK!!! Eat that haters!!
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Yea, Alex on Auto got that. Probably better than using YouTube videos and timestamps to estimate, since speedometer lag quite a bit to actual speed when you are going full throttle (i.e. speedometer may show 50mph when you are already at 60mph).
#373
It's definitely better than timestamping youtube videos. When we're talking differences of milliseconds, the lag from a speedometer AND relying video footage makes a world of difference. You need to use a dedicated accelerometer at this level of precision.
#374
"The TLX base-spec (SH-AWD) is only a little lighter than the current RDX, so I'd say 0-60 in 6.2s, and 1/4-mile of 15.0s."
Ultimately any TLX with SH-AWD (non-Type-S) and regardless of the package, these are the numbers that will apply...
From my recollection of 15 years ago model: 2005/2006 NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE/SE-R had 0-60 times as 5.9 to 6.2 (man/AT) with only 250 crank hp and FWD... 14.1 was the quarter-mile run... and it was between 23-28k USD.
Where does TLX fit into this picture?!?!?!?!?! Not only Odyssey can beat you... but a 15 year-old car has better specs with the FWD, 250 crank horse power and almost HALF THE PRICE!
ULTIMATE FAIL on Acura's part... ULTIMATE FAIL!
Ultimately any TLX with SH-AWD (non-Type-S) and regardless of the package, these are the numbers that will apply...
From my recollection of 15 years ago model: 2005/2006 NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE/SE-R had 0-60 times as 5.9 to 6.2 (man/AT) with only 250 crank hp and FWD... 14.1 was the quarter-mile run... and it was between 23-28k USD.
Where does TLX fit into this picture?!?!?!?!?! Not only Odyssey can beat you... but a 15 year-old car has better specs with the FWD, 250 crank horse power and almost HALF THE PRICE!
ULTIMATE FAIL on Acura's part... ULTIMATE FAIL!
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I'm just going to go ahead and say i think the type S will do 4.8.
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justnspace (09-25-2020)
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"The TLX base-spec (SH-AWD) is only a little lighter than the current RDX, so I'd say 0-60 in 6.2s, and 1/4-mile of 15.0s."
Ultimately any TLX with SH-AWD (non-Type-S) and regardless of the package, these are the numbers that will apply...
From my recollection of 15 years ago model: 2005/2006 NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE/SE-R had 0-60 times as 5.9 to 6.2 (man/AT) with only 250 crank hp and FWD... 14.1 was the quarter-mile run... and it was between 23-28k USD.
Where does TLX fit into this picture?!?!?!?!?! Not only Odyssey can beat you... but a 15 year-old car has better specs with the FWD, 250 crank horse power and almost HALF THE PRICE!
ULTIMATE FAIL on Acura's part... ULTIMATE FAIL!
Ultimately any TLX with SH-AWD (non-Type-S) and regardless of the package, these are the numbers that will apply...
From my recollection of 15 years ago model: 2005/2006 NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE/SE-R had 0-60 times as 5.9 to 6.2 (man/AT) with only 250 crank hp and FWD... 14.1 was the quarter-mile run... and it was between 23-28k USD.
Where does TLX fit into this picture?!?!?!?!?! Not only Odyssey can beat you... but a 15 year-old car has better specs with the FWD, 250 crank horse power and almost HALF THE PRICE!
ULTIMATE FAIL on Acura's part... ULTIMATE FAIL!
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pyrodan007 (09-25-2020)
#380
The official 0-60 from Acura is 6.5s
MilesPerHr on YouTube posted that 6.5s 0-60 time in his video description on his latest TLX review. Someone asked him how that was obtained and this was his reply:
"I didn’t measure the 0-60 personally. This is the estimate from Acura. Time may change in independent tests."
MilesPerHr on YouTube posted that 6.5s 0-60 time in his video description on his latest TLX review. Someone asked him how that was obtained and this was his reply:
"I didn’t measure the 0-60 personally. This is the estimate from Acura. Time may change in independent tests."
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"The TLX base-spec (SH-AWD) is only a little lighter than the current RDX, so I'd say 0-60 in 6.2s, and 1/4-mile of 15.0s."
Ultimately any TLX with SH-AWD (non-Type-S) and regardless of the package, these are the numbers that will apply...
From my recollection of 15 years ago model: 2005/2006 NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE/SE-R had 0-60 times as 5.9 to 6.2 (man/AT) with only 250 crank hp and FWD... 14.1 was the quarter-mile run... and it was between 23-28k USD.
Where does TLX fit into this picture?!?!?!?!?! Not only Odyssey can beat you... but a 15 year-old car has better specs with the FWD, 250 crank horse power and almost HALF THE PRICE!
ULTIMATE FAIL on Acura's part... ULTIMATE FAIL!
Ultimately any TLX with SH-AWD (non-Type-S) and regardless of the package, these are the numbers that will apply...
From my recollection of 15 years ago model: 2005/2006 NISSAN ALTIMA 3.5 SE/SE-R had 0-60 times as 5.9 to 6.2 (man/AT) with only 250 crank hp and FWD... 14.1 was the quarter-mile run... and it was between 23-28k USD.
Where does TLX fit into this picture?!?!?!?!?! Not only Odyssey can beat you... but a 15 year-old car has better specs with the FWD, 250 crank horse power and almost HALF THE PRICE!
ULTIMATE FAIL on Acura's part... ULTIMATE FAIL!
Ultimate fail on Genesis', Volvo's, Audi's, Lexus', Infiniti's part?
#382
Do we need anymore proof that this car accelerates similarly to the RDX and is not a sub-6 second car? At what point will the last holdouts finally accept the truth?
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#383
Do we need anymore proof that this car accelerates similarly to the RDX and is not a sub-6 second car? At what point will the last holdouts finally accept the truth?
https://youtu.be/tnyDlDjnqnQ
https://youtu.be/tnyDlDjnqnQ
#384
Do we need anymore proof that this car accelerates similarly to the RDX and is not a sub-6 second car? At what point will the last holdouts finally accept the truth?
https://youtu.be/tnyDlDjnqnQ
https://youtu.be/tnyDlDjnqnQ
#385
Well here's the good thing: 5-60 should be no worse than 6.8s, which is already better than the RDX and less than half a second behind the 330xi and C300.
#387
If we take the above video at face value, it would be about 0.8s slower 0-60, around 0.9s slower 5-60, and 0.4s slower in the quarter mile. I suspect under ideal test settings, the numbers will go down a bit, but that's a huge gap to try to attribute just to testing procedures. There's no two ways about it, the 2.0T is slower than the V6, just like in the RDX. The only question is by how much. One thing to note, the delta between 0-60 is smaller than the quarter mile, which suggests the 2.0T makes up time at higher speeds. IIRC, someone here (me?) mentioned that the ECU pulls power in lower gears to protect the driveline. Maybe that person isn't full of crap after all?
Don't for a second think I forgot to bookmark this (yes, I'm petty like that). Yeah, I know, we still need to wait for C&D or MT, but so far my guess is looking to be right on the money based on multiple videos we've seen thus far.
I didn't get to be so arrogant by being wrong all the time .
I already did last month:
https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16622034
But let’s expand on that. Assuming Acura made no updates to strengthen the drivetrain, for the SHAWD version I stand by my guess of 0-60 in 6.2, and guess a 5-60 of 6.6 and quarter-mile time of 14.7@97mph. If they did beef up the drivetrain and you can launch it with some gusto and without the ECU pulling power, then I guess 0-60 in 6.0, 5-60 in 6.5, and quarter mile of 14.4@100mph. All times are based on C&D testing procedures. Even with an ideal setup it’s going to be slower than the Accord 2.0T; there’s just no way around the extra weight.
Don’t worry, I’ll bookmark this so we can come back and see whether I’m more Nostradamus or if I’m more Homer Simpson.
https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16622034
But let’s expand on that. Assuming Acura made no updates to strengthen the drivetrain, for the SHAWD version I stand by my guess of 0-60 in 6.2, and guess a 5-60 of 6.6 and quarter-mile time of 14.7@97mph. If they did beef up the drivetrain and you can launch it with some gusto and without the ECU pulling power, then I guess 0-60 in 6.0, 5-60 in 6.5, and quarter mile of 14.4@100mph. All times are based on C&D testing procedures. Even with an ideal setup it’s going to be slower than the Accord 2.0T; there’s just no way around the extra weight.
Don’t worry, I’ll bookmark this so we can come back and see whether I’m more Nostradamus or if I’m more Homer Simpson.
I didn't get to be so arrogant by being wrong all the time .
#388
Peeps, if this car had any remotely good 0-60 time, don't you think Acura would have already shoved it down our throats? The car can be bought today, right now. There's no more embargo or secret. If it was any good, we would already know what it is. Obviously it's similar to RDX (upper 6s) and that directly contradicts their "best sport sedan in 35 years" BS.
I said.
I said.
#389
If we take the above video at face value, it would be about 0.8s slower 0-60, around 0.9s slower 5-60, and 0.4s slower in the quarter mile. I suspect under ideal test settings, the numbers will go down a bit, but that's a huge gap to try to attribute just to testing procedures. There's no two ways about it, the 2.0T is slower than the V6, just like in the RDX. The only question is by how much. One thing to note, the delta between 0-60 is smaller than the quarter mile, which suggests the 2.0T makes up time at higher speeds. IIRC, someone here (me?) mentioned that the ECU pulls power in lower gears to protect the driveline. Maybe that person isn't full of crap after all?
Don't for a second think I forgot to bookmark this (yes, I'm petty like that). Yeah, I know, we still need to wait for C&D or MT, but so far my guess is looking to be right on the money based on multiple videos we've seen thus far.
I didn't get to be so arrogant by being wrong all the time .
Don't for a second think I forgot to bookmark this (yes, I'm petty like that). Yeah, I know, we still need to wait for C&D or MT, but so far my guess is looking to be right on the money based on multiple videos we've seen thus far.
I didn't get to be so arrogant by being wrong all the time .
With all the mfr. incentives, gently USED 2020 TLX are actually more expensive than NEW ones.
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#390
THIS is exactly why I got my 2020 TLX V6. Very happy with the vehicle and its size. I need to maneuver and park it in a city. Only wish I could have got an A-Spec or Advance, but they've been sold out for some time in my region. Got my new V6 Tech cheaper than you can get an Accord 2.0T for these days.
With all the mfr. incentives, gently USED 2020 TLX are actually more expensive than NEW ones.
With all the mfr. incentives, gently USED 2020 TLX are actually more expensive than NEW ones.
Go figure.
#391
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So then whats the best equivalent to get in this price range ( without test driving yet )
A4/BMW 330i? Smaller cars though
I REALLY want that new sound system though.
I think for a practical everyday driver, the new TLX should be fine
A4/BMW 330i? Smaller cars though
I REALLY want that new sound system though.
I think for a practical everyday driver, the new TLX should be fine
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#392
I think the ELS in the 2020 are just fine if you have a higher quality source like a CD, FLAC, Tidal Hifi or Amazon Music HD. The 2016 Accord system sucked regardless of the source. Heck highly compressed Sirius XM sounds MUCH BETTER on the 2020 ELS than a CD ok the Accord system.
#393
What about the G70 with the base engine? You could also go for the Buick Regal Sportback?
#394
But yes there are much better vehicles out there for much more $$$.
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#395
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This is the 2020 V6 Version of his review. By these numbers, the new TLX is basically the same or slightly better...
Just comparing apples and oranges to todays speed test
#396
I'm done with Accords. While they are fun to drive, there is way too much road noise, uncomfortable seats, and lousy sound systems (the newer ones can boom but the clarity sucks).
I think the ELS in the 2020 are just fine if you have a higher quality source like a CD, FLAC, Tidal Hifi or Amazon Music HD. The 2016 Accord system sucked regardless of the source. Heck highly compressed Sirius XM sounds MUCH BETTER on the 2020 ELS than a CD ok the Accord system.
I think the ELS in the 2020 are just fine if you have a higher quality source like a CD, FLAC, Tidal Hifi or Amazon Music HD. The 2016 Accord system sucked regardless of the source. Heck highly compressed Sirius XM sounds MUCH BETTER on the 2020 ELS than a CD ok the Accord system.
#397
Where I am I see base G70s advertised at $35K. You could get some options and make a deal and still have one OTD for well under $40K. I had a quote on a G70 3.3t for $42K pre-TTL.
I think the 2020 TLX might be a better car with the V6 against the base G70, but if you step up into the higher specs, it's not as clear.
#398
The interior space in the G70 is actually pretty good. I wouldn't think it's a small car (say like an A3 is a small car).
Where I am I see base G70s advertised at $35K. You could get some options and make a deal and still have one OTD for well under $40K. I had a quote on a G70 3.3t for $42K pre-TTL.
I think the 2020 TLX might be a better car with the V6 against the base G70, but if you step up into the higher specs, it's not as clear.
Where I am I see base G70s advertised at $35K. You could get some options and make a deal and still have one OTD for well under $40K. I had a quote on a G70 3.3t for $42K pre-TTL.
I think the 2020 TLX might be a better car with the V6 against the base G70, but if you step up into the higher specs, it's not as clear.
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https://youtu.be/-A9wG93ZAj0
This is the 2020 V6 Version of his review. By these numbers, the new TLX is basically the same or slightly better...
Just comparing apples and oranges to todays speed test
This is the 2020 V6 Version of his review. By these numbers, the new TLX is basically the same or slightly better...
Just comparing apples and oranges to todays speed test
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