Persistent Problem w/ INITIAL start-up; diy on how to replace alternator?

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Old May 8, 2008 | 03:01 AM
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Persistent Problem w/ INITIAL start-up; diy on how to replace alternator?

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So, as I've mentioned before, cars been having a hard time start up; she sits in the garage at home while i'm at my apartment on campus. Every time I start her up after shes been sitting, she struggles. A handful of you guys told me maybe the batter, so I went ahead and replaced it with a yellow-top optima, but the problem still persists. It was MINIMIZED but still struggles to start up. What else is there to check/replace? Spark plugs? Maybe the alternator? I know I had that BAD acura battery in there for a couple of months WITH a system. Could it be the blunt of the stress went to the alternator? She starts up FINE (somewhat) after shes been driven? ANY input will be greatly appreciated please.

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Old May 8, 2008 | 04:12 AM
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check with the dealer on cost, sometimes they do it on good faith
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Old May 8, 2008 | 04:49 AM
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hm...acura of lynnwood? doubtful, but i'll give it a shot.
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Old May 8, 2008 | 06:02 AM
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Its common with hondas, it might be the starter motor from what I heard..
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Old May 8, 2008 | 07:22 AM
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there may be some sort of a drain on the system too. Not enough to kill the battery, but enough to make it start slow?

You said it starts fine after that initial start up. Say you come home after its been sitting, it starts hard. If you drive it for a bit then it sits untill the following day does it start fine, or hard again?
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Old May 8, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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Sounds like you have a slow drain
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Old May 8, 2008 | 08:15 AM
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You alternator seems to be doing its job since you mentioned it starts fine after its been driven. The reason it starts fine after being driven is because the alternator charged the battery. I'd just say your battery is drained... this happens all the time. If you leave any car sitting for too long it'll die =P
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Old May 8, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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yea a slow drain somewhere. do u have aftermarket electronics in the car??? or it could be a bad starter.....i had mine replaced a while ago its starting to have the same prob as i had before. im going to get it replaced again next week
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Old May 8, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Be-in my TL
You alternator seems to be doing its job since you mentioned it starts fine after its been driven. The reason it starts fine after being driven is because the alternator charged the battery. I'd just say your battery is drained... this happens all the time. If you leave any car sitting for too long it'll die =P
Alternators do not charge batteries...but maintain it's levels (if the battery is in good condition). The main function of the alternator is to convert power from the gasoline engine that drives you along the road, to electrical energy to keep the battery in tip-top condition.

Yellow Optimas are awesome, so I highly doubt it's the battery....

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Simple test to see if the alternator is bad:
"So, how can you tell if the alternator is failing without taking it apart and doing some measuring inside the alternator? It's really pretty simple. You will need a simple voltmeter. You can get one at Radio Shack for under ten dollars. Here's what you do - start the car, make sure all the accessories are off and rev up the motor to a fast idle. Set the Voltmeter to the DC scale (not AC or Ohms). Measure the voltage across the battery terminals - red lead of the voltmeter on the positive terminal, black on the negative (ground in most cars). The voltage should, and probably will, read around 14 volts. If it reads less than 12 volts you may indeed have a failed alternator and you can skip the next step. Next, turn on the heater, the rear window de-fogger, the radio, the headlights and anything else that draws power. Now rev up the motor and watch the voltmeter. It should still be reading around 14 volts. If it reads lower than 13 volts the chances are that your alternator is not up to snuff."
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Old May 8, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Just to throw this out there.. you do know sometimes the car will take longer to start right? Depending on what the car thinks needs to be done it will change starting procedure to minimize emissions / pollution..
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Old May 8, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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Parasitic drain trace it down.

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Old May 9, 2008 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MWalsh9152
there may be some sort of a drain on the system too. Not enough to kill the battery, but enough to make it start slow?

You said it starts fine after that initial start up. Say you come home after its been sitting, it starts hard. If you drive it for a bit then it sits untill the following day does it start fine, or hard again?
hm...that varies; typically, she starts hard on initial start-up after I come home within a week. it starts up fine the next day, usually.
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Old May 9, 2008 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Be-in my TL
You alternator seems to be doing its job since you mentioned it starts fine after its been driven. The reason it starts fine after being driven is because the alternator charged the battery. I'd just say your battery is drained... this happens all the time. If you leave any car sitting for too long it'll die =P
well, thats what we all thought initially too, so I went out and bought a Optima Yellowtop...and the problem still persists! bbooo...
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Old May 9, 2008 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fleshy
Just to throw this out there.. you do know sometimes the car will take longer to start right? Depending on what the car thinks needs to be done it will change starting procedure to minimize emissions / pollution..
when you mentioned "longer to start" what exactly do you mean? in my case, she whines really slowly (ya know like if you doing a cold start, but of course it's not)...
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Old May 9, 2008 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Tripnbeats
yea a slow drain somewhere. do u have aftermarket electronics in the car??? or it could be a bad starter.....i had mine replaced a while ago its starting to have the same prob as i had before. im going to get it replaced again next week
may i ask how much it cost you? i'm thinking it's probably the starter...difficulty? thanks for your input man!

...and everyone else! i'll keep you guys posted once i get her checked out!
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Old May 9, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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cost... nothing. acura tested it and said it wasn't good anymore....replaced it no questions. warranty. but the cost of the part is about 150. I noticed in ur signature it says u have 57k miles. they did mine at 55. who knows id have em look at it.
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Old May 9, 2008 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by erick3
when you mentioned "longer to start" what exactly do you mean? in my case, she whines really slowly (ya know like if you doing a cold start, but of course it's not)...

I think in this case it would be longer cranking before the car fires up
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Old May 9, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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^yup i believe so
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Old May 10, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TeknoKing
Alternators do not charge batteries...but maintain it's levels (if the battery is in good condition). The main function of the alternator is to convert power from the gasoline engine that drives you along the road, to electrical energy to keep the battery in tip-top condition.
What? It sends electrical energy to keep the battery in tip top shape?

No, it is restoring the charge to the batteries. AKA charging it..........

http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/function.html
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 02:15 PM
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hm...i've been driving lately and my car will randomely turn off! Ill be slowing down to turn or park and my car will just turn off...does that sound like an alternator issue? and when i try to restart my car it has trouble restarting...it does this more often when i am running the AC
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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without hearing other symptoms I would say it's fuel related... possibly the fuel pump.
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