princelybug

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Recently, I've noticed that on any incline or decline, my e-brake does not hold the car in place when I engage it. Even if I have the handle fully engaged to the lock point, my car slides. So I HAVE to leave the car in gear when I park, at all times. I want to fix this.

There was another member who replaced the e-brake pads, but I don't remember who it was, or which thread (I searched).

Can anyone provide a schematic, part # for the e-brake drum pads, and a DIY? Any/all of these would be appreciated.

TIA!

nfnsquared

There are at least 10 different threads there for rear brakes/pads...

It may not be your pads. It may just be the cable that needs adjusting. This procedure is also in the Garage

avs007

It's possible that you only need to have your parking brake cable adjusted. That happened on my other car... e-brake fully engaged, but not holding car... Adjusted parking brake cables, and now it works like it was brand new...

princelybug

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Well, like I said, I did a search, but this is different than rear brakes/pads. I guess I could've looked more thoroughly.

I've actually done this a couple of times on my car. I'll try it again!

princelybug

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Although I've done this a couple of times, don't our cars have "self-adjusting" parking brakes?

nfnsquared

My bad, those are for rear brakes/pads, not the e-brake. Here's the thread for e-brake/p-brake:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-problems-fixes-114/e-brake-assembly-replacement-761003/

Sorry about that...

ATTENTION MODS:

There doesn't appear to be any thread in the 3G Garage that covers e-brake/p-brake. You might consider adding the above link to the Garage....

princelybug

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No problem. Thanks for finding it!

avs007

I don't think so... But if you've done this a couple times already, maybe you really need shoes... I've never worn out my e-brake shoes, so I don't know...

princelybug

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I'm pretty sure the e-brake is self-adjusting. Maybe someone else will chime in to confirm it.

I haven't went to adjust the brake yet, but after I do it, and it still isn't fixed, then I'll look into the pads.

avs007

I only heard of self-adjusting drums, when your actual rear brakes are drums, because they adjust when you press the brake while rolling backwards.

WIth that being said, I've only ever had to adjust the cables on cars that had rear discs with the cute little parking drums... Although I suppose the parking drum could auto-adjust the same way, but I never engage the ebrake while moving, so I don't know...

But even then, the adjustment, is the distance from shoes to drum... Your cables could still be stretched, and need to be adjusted to take up the slack...

Hapa DC5

Chill off those burn outs brah

princelybug

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Right. That's why I said they should self-adjust, because the e-brake pads are like a drum setup.

blkaspec

i dont park on many hills but i got in the habit of using the ebrake on my last car when my auto trans went out...kinda paranoid and would rather wear that out instead of always making the trans hold me. not a big fan of it in this car though, never seems to do a great job...but, i have never done the adjustment. remember reading something about it in the service manual but didnt see anything about changing a pad, just adjusting it if it didnt hold hold after a certain number of "clicks".

blkaspec

great link, good find!

Majofo

They're shoes not pads sucka!

If they look good I would just adjust both sides. I hope you get it worked out , otherwise let the next guy deal with it..

ccrun1800

Same thing happened to me car rolling down inclines and such. I adjusted my e-brake cable and all was right after that.

6spdtl-s

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replacing the ebrake assembly was such a b*tch, good luck. make sure to order all new hardware, especially the clips.

princelybug

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I'm going to try and adjust the cable first. Hopefully this fixes it.

nfnsquared

There a thread started by mmade that has the scans for e-brake adjustment. It was the thread were he parked at a rest stop and his car rolled across the parking lot. I'll try to find it.

Here it is:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=58

princelybug

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^
Yup. I read that thread, and I've adjusted the parking brake cable a couple of times. Thanks!

princelybug

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I adjusted my parking brake to where it'll only go 8 clicks, and my car still slides when I apply the e-brake on either a decline or incline. The Acura allotted number of clicks for the e-brake is between 6-10 clicks.

I think I'm stuck trying to replace the rear drum shoes.

nfnsquared

Did you try the major adjustment procedure? I find it hard to believe that parking brake shoes are worn to the point of needing replacement, but they could be. The only way to know for sure is to pull the drum and look at the shoes. If the shoes look OK, then doing the major adjustment, followed by the minor adjustment should solve your issue.

Majofo

PB's Asian.. he probably drove 1k miles before noticing his ebrake engaged. :troutslap


btw.. my advice stands from post #15

princelybug

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I might have to do the major adjustment. You're right, it's probably almost impossible for the drum shoes to be worn down.

:sigh:

princelybug

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princelybug

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I wish the diagram under #7 was larger. I have to do this on both sides, correct?

Majofo

orale carnale

princelybug

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Nice! Now come on down and do it for me.

Majofo

I wish..

I need more car projects to keep me occupied.. The new house is not nearly as fun, this weekend I looked at drapes.. FML.

Although I did check out some tool chests.. I'm going to build a work bench as well

princelybug

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Come on down. You're only about 300 miles away.

Majofo

I wish.. More like $300 away.. I live in Austin ~1500 miles from So Cal.

princelybug

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^


I got it. Fly in!

nfnsquared

Decent pics of the sprocket in this thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/d-094-diy-complete-brake-job-pics-624404/

Kind of hard to see the sprocket because it is behind the spring, but it's there. With a flashlight and a regular screw driver, you should be able to reach it.

Majofo

Let's meet halfway ... how about Vegas?! BIL has a house with a garage in Vegas so we're golden.

princelybug

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Are we free to use his place?

Majofo

yeah.. no problem, me actually getting consent to go back to Vegas is probably an issue, especially since we just came back a couple months ago. I'm no longer master and commander of this journey..

nfnsquared

Hehe, she's got it locked in her top dresser drawer, eh? Hate it when that happens

princelybug

iTrader: (16)

Well, it turns out that I indeed did need new parking brake shoes.

Here's the back story: On about 3 separate occasions, I performed the "minor adjustment", without doing the "major adjustment" at all. As a result, what happened was that the parking brake shoes were pressed up against the rotor so much , that even when I disengaged the parking brake, it was still rubbing . This, after a while, wore out my parking brake shoes, and also put a nice glaze on the inside of the rear rotors as well. On to the pics:

Here's what the inside of the rear rotors looked like: (The other side was worse)



Here's a pic of the new brake shoes:



Here's a close-up of a new brake shoe: (Note the pad thickness, not very thick at all)



Here's some pics of the old shoes still on the hub:







Here's a comparison pic of the new shoe (top) and old shoe (bottom):



Here's a comparison pic of the old shoe (top) and new shoe (bottom):



Finally, a shot of the new brake shoes on the hub :



All in all, it was too much work just for the darn parking brake. But, I'm glad I have it functioning, now. I've learned my lesson...no more messing with the parking brake.

KzooTL

When you put the new brakes on did you have to adjust it at all?

Also where is the "Console boxlid" for the minor adjustment. In the cab under the armrest?

princelybug

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Yes, you do have to adjust it. Look at letter "D" in post #27. This is the adjustment that is necessary. You'll also need to do the minor adjustment, and the way to get to that is to take the center console apart. You can get to the adjusting nut through the center storage console, but it's easier to adjust by taking apart the center console, pulling the center console storage unit back, taking out the cupholders, and adjusting from there.