As the title states, after I was comming home today I started a slow stop and my brakes made a shrill squeek. I've only heard this when my brakes needed to be changed. Since that initial incident they are constantly squeeking at low speeds as I make my stop.

Usually I would be like ok, time for a brake change, but the car is only 2 months old and has 6k miles from highway driving. I do a lot of stop and go in the mornings and evenings, but brake wear seems way too premature to me.

What do you guys think?

 

The pad squeeler is very obvious and heard best at low speed braking

More likely you have glazed the pads in stop and go driving
you can clean them with some hardcore bedding
http://heeltoeauto.com/httech/YaBB.pl?num=1184261899
That is for new pads but the idea is the same- get them hot hot several 70-30 slow downs at threshhold braking- smoking hot
and then 2 medium pressure slow downs 65-40 to establish new pad layer on the rotor-

drive 15-20 minutes cruising without stopping or using brakes- so rotors and pads cool nicely- then park 15 minutes to let them cure and good as new
should fix you right up

 

I dont know if that's a good idea though. Here are some pics because I'm not sure if my brakes are too worn down from my stop and go 2 months of driving...

left brake



rightbrake




Don't they seem really worn down? I compared it to my lexus es330 and the lexus has like a 1/3 of an inch.

 

is it that clip thing that makes the squeek? I doubled checked my other car actually has almost double the brake with 20k miles.

 

That is the brake squeeler- it looks like its even with the pad- is that correct?

Your rotors look grooved- or is it the pic
Run your fingernail across the rotor face- is it ridged?
This is a brand new car???
How much stop and go - what kind of speeds- are we talking here?

 

Yes the car is 2 months old, which is really the reason why I'm confused with my situation because I thought brakes last more than 2 months. If not this is going to be an extremely expensive car ...=(

1 hr stop and go in the morning and 1-1.5 hrs in the evening. Speeds range from 1-40. I do some highway driving, but never any real hard braking in my duration of ownership. Yes the rotors are grooved. Is that normal?

 

That repeated 40 to zero eats pads- and it looks like rotors too
Call Acura at 1-800-382-2238 x5 m-f 6-5 pacific
ask them if any service notices or recalls on the brakes, you have extreme!!! wear
Something may be wrong and your calipers on hanging in the on position-
slight grooving is ok- heavy- catch your fingernail type grooves are bad news

hows the gas mileage been?

Call dealer and speak with the SERVICE MANAGER not a writer
Then get it in right away

 

TL-S brakes routinely exhibit various noises. Mine "groan." The dealer resurfaced the front rotors, replaced the front pads and they STILL groaned.

Then they let me randomly select a new TL-S; I drove that briefly and the brakes did the same damn thing.

These brakes suck. Many TL-S owners won't admit that, since they refuse to view the matter objectively. They're noisy, dusty and the rotors are too small for the car. Park next to ANY TL-S competitor and notice how silly your rotors look in comparison.

I'm going to replace my front pads with "something" once I determine what the best alternative is. I'm leaning towards these:

http://www.buybrakes.com/store/EBC-DP31210C

 

^^^Thats exactly what Im getting. I already put them on my buddies car...

hardrvin, I think at this point we can do without your hatred towards the car. In almost all of your posts you try to prove the brakes suck, okay, you've made your point. Just help the guy out if you can and leave out the emotions...

 

You could always do a serious upgrade over OE brakes and go with rotora with their ceramic padss which will last and not make too much dust

OR RacingBrake with their pads- the rotors are long lasting and the pads stop the car now!!

see OFF TOPIC sponsored sales area

 

I posted a link for EBC RED pads. I also told him that brake issues are common for this car.

How is that not "helping him out?"

I am not the only person on this website who has expressed a negative opinion of these brakes.

 

UPGRADE UPGRADE UPGRADE~

Since when is OE the best thing?

They build cars like NASA builds rockets
3 million parts built and assembled by the LOWEST BID contractor

 

read my post again. I said help him out but lose the emotions about how you feel,.

thats how these 8 page debates get started. you've made your point. no need to put another round in the dead horse IMO...

 

Wasn't that the first time I mentioned it in THIS thread?

The OP clearly didn't read any of the other threads that address similar/identical topic(s). He was therefore unaware of previously stated facts.

I don't recall expressing any "emotions" on here at all. It's the REACTIONS that are emotionally based.

Objectively speaking, these rotors are simply too small - relative to ALL of the car's competitors (not to mention many cars that are less expensive). The rear rotors aren't even ventilated and use very small calipers.

Compromises were therefore made in an attempt to "rectify" the situation at minimal cost. The result is excessive wear, brake dust and noise.

There is no "emotion" in any of that.

Better aftermarket front pads may help. EBC reds are a good bet.

No car is perfect. And no-one benefits when others pretend their's is.

 

Has anyone else installed the EBC red? is it better than green stuff? I can't find any posts with people using the ebc products.

Also do you have to bleed the brakes when you change the brakes? I've been pondering that question all weekend.

 

Your brakes definately look too worn for 6k+. I would agree with the other members and see if there is a technical issue that has caused such accelerated wear. Also, as stated by others, the rotors should not be that heavily grooved. Wish you good luck in trying to resolve this.

I have a 2006 TL 6MT that has 22,580 miles on it and at the latest service last week, the dealer tells me my front pads are worn to 3mm and should be replaced asap. That seems very premature to me, at least in my personal experience. Have any of you with the 6MT/Brembo cars had similar wear?

Also, the dealer wants $490 to replace the front brake pads. That sounds very expensive to me also. Do any of you have experience with aftermarket pads?

 

rotora and hawk make aftermarket pads for brembos
the min thickness is 2mm of pad material so you are right there for replacement
dealer normally includes resurface rotors and new pads- often they surface them on the car which helps some brake noise issues

or a private shop can do the job as well for less
the OE pads suck IMO

 

The OE pads list at ~$200 per set. So, replacing the pads at $490 sounds like to me.

You sure that's *just* Front Pad Replacement?

 

thats probably resurface rotors and install new pads- just fronts
labor at dealer 100-129 per hour- 1 hour per side plus whatevers-

 

Yes, the quote was only for the front brakes.

I found a local shop that will do it for a little over $200, using Hawk HTS pads. The pads run $115 plus another $115-130 in labor. I have used this shop before for my previous cars plus company vehicles so I feel I can trust them. He assures me the pads will work fine with the Brembo calipers/rotors that are on the car.

Like a lot of others on this forum, it amazes me how much dust the OEM pads produce. Within a day of washing the car I can see that the front wheels showing a coating of black.

Unless any of you have had negative experience with the Hawk HTS pads, I think I'm going to pull the trigger and get them installed. I'll see what the experience is like compared with the OEM pads.

Thanks for the replies and information.

 

^^

Everybody says changing the Front Pads is EASY. When mine are ready, I'm going to have a freind show me how to do it and save the shop charges.

Something to consider if you're mechanically inclined or know someone who is.

 

I'm willing to be that 8 out of 10 brake jobs done by backyard mechanics are done incorrectly as well....

Let me see...forgetting to lube critical parts, not replacing hardware, not checking rotor runout, not checking rotor thickness, not washing rotors, not resurfacing rotors using an OCL or use runout correction shims, etc

Point is, anyone can change brake pads...but few do it correctly.

 

Especially on a 4 piston caliper setup- there is a right way to retract the pistons and several other ways that screw them up

Race track brake jobs and street car are very different

 

You do mean Hawk HPS, High Performance Street right?

They make dust as a byproduct of friction- which is what stops the car

Wax your rims- 3 coats of Synthetic wax helps big time
carnuba wax wont take the temps and melts off

 

Ok, so I went ahead and had the Hawk pads installed. The mechanic said that for my car, they recommended Hawk HPS ceramic so that's what they installed. $120 for the pads plus $96 for labor. Not bad.

So far, after a week, I've been very happy with them. Stopping power has improved very slightly and overall seems to be back to normal. I just washed the car and I'll now see if there is any improvement in brake dust.

I completely understand about the existence and reasons behind brake dust. However, going all they way back to my 85 Jetta, 95 GTI VR6, 01 Eclipse GT, 01 Montero, and 03 Mazda 6, I have never had a car produce SO much dust SO fast. That was the reason I brought it up. Anyway, thanks for the tip on waxing the wheels with synthetic wax. Do you think Zaino would be fine? Again, thanks for the info.