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06-04-2009, 09:49 PM
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Bfobrian can u tell me what kind of LED strips u got man? those are sexy as hell... acutally i saw ur thing and it said Oznium but are those the Flexible LED strips or what? i need your help man =) thanks a lot
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06-04-2009, 11:09 PM
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Brian I knew you would finally do Varianzas one of these days, after we talked about it so many times, lol. The WBC looks perfect on your NBP. Those rears are simply crazy man! HAHAHA! I knew you would keep stretching the envelope. Now that you started you can't stop can you??? How do you possibly top this??? Let's see what your July set looks like!
06-06-2009, 02:13 PM
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I will never understand it. To me "tire stretching" looks like shit. Wheels that stick way out of the fender looks like shit (especially the rears on a FWD car), and all that camber just looks civic to me.
06-06-2009, 03:24 PM
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We used to do this kind of stupid stuff back in the 80's when 15" wheels were considered large. There were some serious safety issues and that trend died out for good reason. I hope the shops that are mounting these tires have their liability insurance paid up. No tire manufacturer will warranty these ridiculous fitments.
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it!
06-06-2009, 04:57 PM
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its a thing, the longest threads are made with pix of stretched tires and aggressive fitments.
06-07-2009, 01:54 AM
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Geez man another set of rims?! lol I LOVE the black chrome. Please keep these -_-
Anyway in B's defense... we gotta remember we actually have to drive these cars plus B lives in the city. I would like some, if not all, of you to drive a car with that set up in the city. I think he is doing awesome given circumstances *point taken?
on the car B
Also... for those who say he should buy a type-s for more power. He could've easily done that a long time ago and easily supercharged his current car. But we got to remember that it's HIS car and he's put so much work into it... it's his baby. He won't sell his kid that he's raised for so long not until later. Yes I own a tsx please don't flame me. I can easily buy something faster but again... it's my baby. Gnite folks!
Anyway in B's defense... we gotta remember we actually have to drive these cars plus B lives in the city. I would like some, if not all, of you to drive a car with that set up in the city. I think he is doing awesome given circumstances *point taken?
on the car BAlso... for those who say he should buy a type-s for more power. He could've easily done that a long time ago and easily supercharged his current car. But we got to remember that it's HIS car and he's put so much work into it... it's his baby. He won't sell his kid that he's raised for so long not until later. Yes I own a tsx please don't flame me. I can easily buy something faster but again... it's my baby. Gnite folks!
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06-07-2009, 02:37 PM
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We used to do this kind of stupid stuff back in the 80's when 15" wheels were considered large. There were some serious safety issues and that trend died out for good reason. I hope the shops that are mounting these tires have their liability insurance paid up. No tire manufacturer will warranty these ridiculous fitments.
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it!
Anyway in B's defense... we gotta remember we actually have to drive these cars plus B lives in the city. I would like some, if not all, of you to drive a car with that set up in the city. I think he is doing awesome given circumstances *point taken? on the car B
Also... for those who say he should buy a type-s for more power. He could've easily done that a long time ago and easily supercharged his current car. But we got to remember that it's HIS car and he's put so much work into it... it's his baby. He won't sell his kid that he's raised for so long not until later. Yes I own a tsx please don't flame me. I can easily buy something faster but again... it's my baby. Gnite folks!
on the car BAlso... for those who say he should buy a type-s for more power. He could've easily done that a long time ago and easily supercharged his current car. But we got to remember that it's HIS car and he's put so much work into it... it's his baby. He won't sell his kid that he's raised for so long not until later. Yes I own a tsx please don't flame me. I can easily buy something faster but again... it's my baby. Gnite folks!
06-07-2009, 04:19 PM
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What serious safety issues? I have yet to see a case where stretched tires lead to a tire unbeading or blowing out (and stretching is quite common in the VW world so I've seen quite a few cars with it). The only cases where anything happened to the tire seem to be when they are under-inflated which could lead to the bead unseating. My car has had some pretty serious stretch (225/40/18 on an 18x10) for a few years with daily driving on the awesome roads of NY and never had any problems. In regards to tire manufacturers, Falken for example makes tires with reinforced sidewalls and such specifically for stretch, hell, they sponsor drift cars that run their tires and stretch the fuck out of them
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06-07-2009, 04:36 PM
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I am not going to get into a pissing match with a 21 year old. Just because you have not heard of anyone blowing a tire does not mean it does not happen. You have just been lucky. What do yo consider daily driving? Daily driving for me is 80+ miles per day. Those wheels with the stretched tires would not last a week on the highway I drive on. I still grit my teeth with my 245/40-18's around here. There is no tire manufacturer that designs a tire so that it can be stretched beyond reason and support a negative camber such that the side wall touches the ground. Drifting? Please don't tell me drifting is good for your tires either. Fads come and go. Again, we used to do this foolish stuff before you were born and then we grew up.
Thats the thing, your "old" or older and dont understand. Older people have such a HUGE mind set and dont open it to other things. Federal and falken both make stronger and reinforced side wall to handle stretch. And yes, drifting is a HUGE test to stretched tires. We're talking 70+ MPH hard turns with breaking the tires loose. so YES drifting is a really good example of how strong a stretched tire is.
If you dont like it, then just dont look. thats the beauty of it all
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06-07-2009, 04:50 PM
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Thats the thing, your "old" or older and dont understand. Older people have such a HUGE mind set and dont open it to other things. Federal and falken both make stronger and reinforced side wall to handle stretch. And yes, drifting is a HUGE test to stretched tires. We're talking 70+ MPH hard turns with breaking the tires loose. so YES drifting is a really good example of how strong a stretched tire is.
If you dont like it, then just dont look. thats the beauty of it all
"Not trying to get into a pissing match with a old man"
If you dont like it, then just dont look. thats the beauty of it all
"Not trying to get into a pissing match with a old man"
Let me be clear. No tire manufacturer makes tires that are designed to be stretched beyond reason. Drifting is NOT a testing ground for tire manufacturers. The "Overstretched Look" is still a fad preferred by a small percentage of car owners and that is still OK. Just know that there is a safety risk and use caution.
Yes, I normally just look away. But............sometimes a little wisdom is warranted.
06-07-2009, 09:33 PM
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I am not going to get into a pissing match with a 21 year old. Just because you have not heard of anyone blowing a tire does not mean it does not happen. You have just been lucky. What do yo consider daily driving? Daily driving for me is 80+ miles per day. Those wheels with the stretched tires would not last a week on the highway I drive on. I still grit my teeth with my 245/40-18's around here. There is no tire manufacturer that designs a tire so that it can be stretched beyond reason and support a negative camber such that the side wall touches the ground. Drifting? Please don't tell me drifting is good for your tires either. Fads come and go. Again, we used to do this foolish stuff before you were born and then we grew up.
I could never do it, I noticed my cars handling characteristics change from just putting a 15mm spacer in the rear instantly and sold them a week after...I couldn't imagine running a staggered setup with useless stretched tires, I had to talk myself out of a set I was going to get for this very reason.
06-07-2009, 10:27 PM
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06-09-2009, 04:09 PM
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I am not going to get into a pissing match with a 21 year old. Just because you have not heard of anyone blowing a tire does not mean it does not happen. You have just been lucky. What do yo consider daily driving? Daily driving for me is 80+ miles per day. Those wheels with the stretched tires would not last a week on the highway I drive on. I still grit my teeth with my 245/40-18's around here. There is no tire manufacturer that designs a tire so that it can be stretched beyond reason and support a negative camber such that the side wall touches the ground. Drifting? Please don't tell me drifting is good for your tires either. Fads come and go. Again, we used to do this foolish stuff before you were born and then we grew up.
Daily driving for me is about 12k a year and many trips to and from school (which I won't be doing anymore). I know people running as much if not more stretch than me who drive close to 30k a year without ever suffering a tire failure.
Is there stretch way beyond reason? Absolutely, my rear wheels probably fit into that category. Is it enough to cause tire failure or bent wheels? Not from my experience and that of many others. Keep in mind that to a lot of people, a 225 on an 8.5 is a "stretched" tire when in actuality it's within spec of the tire.
And to the guy talking about handling characteristics being ruined by stretched tires: A TL is a FWD car that's relatively heavy and has extremely light steering (stock at least). Are you really driving your car around everyday on the street like it's an autocross or something that it makes that huge a difference to run some spacers?
I'm not trying to start anything with anyone, just giving the point of view of someone who's in a car scene that has a LOT of stretch going around and overall more exposure to it.
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06-09-2009, 08:11 PM
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Back on Topic guys.....Brian I know you aren't listening to these clowns who are hating the look. Your car is one of a few that has transformed into a whole level above the rest. Keep it up and knowing you, a new set of rims are on orded by winter. You need your winter set, right?
06-09-2009, 09:33 PM
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What pissing match? What's age got to do with it also? Why does that need to be brought into play? When I say I haven't heard of anyone stretching and having a blowout or any other failure, I meant anyone in the entire VW/Audi community, which is quite large and international and stretching has been going on there for over a decade at the very least. So no, it's not just luck
Daily driving for me is about 12k a year and many trips to and from school (which I won't be doing anymore). I know people running as much if not more stretch than me who drive close to 30k a year without ever suffering a tire failure.
Is there stretch way beyond reason? Absolutely, my rear wheels probably fit into that category. Is it enough to cause tire failure or bent wheels? Not from my experience and that of many others. Keep in mind that to a lot of people, a 225 on an 8.5 is a "stretched" tire when in actuality it's within spec of the tire.
And to the guy talking about handling characteristics being ruined by stretched tires: A TL is a FWD car that's relatively heavy and has extremely light steering (stock at least). Are you really driving your car around everyday on the street like it's an autocross or something that it makes that huge a difference to run some spacers?
I'm not trying to start anything with anyone, just giving the point of view of someone who's in a car scene that has a LOT of stretch going around and overall more exposure to it.
Daily driving for me is about 12k a year and many trips to and from school (which I won't be doing anymore). I know people running as much if not more stretch than me who drive close to 30k a year without ever suffering a tire failure.
Is there stretch way beyond reason? Absolutely, my rear wheels probably fit into that category. Is it enough to cause tire failure or bent wheels? Not from my experience and that of many others. Keep in mind that to a lot of people, a 225 on an 8.5 is a "stretched" tire when in actuality it's within spec of the tire.
And to the guy talking about handling characteristics being ruined by stretched tires: A TL is a FWD car that's relatively heavy and has extremely light steering (stock at least). Are you really driving your car around everyday on the street like it's an autocross or something that it makes that huge a difference to run some spacers?
I'm not trying to start anything with anyone, just giving the point of view of someone who's in a car scene that has a LOT of stretch going around and overall more exposure to it.
As far as the spacers go, I can feel a lot of changes in my car because I take the same road to get home everyday and i'm not easy on that road. The front track of the TL is obviously wider for a reason
I'm sure the handling difference wouldn't have been as noticeable if I spaced out the front, but I only did the rear, and it was like night and day. I have 245/35R19 FK452's and i'm riding on Tein SS coilovers (12F/10R) with a comptech RSB, my car can take some pretty brutal turns before it even attemps to break loose. Spacers just made hard turns sloppy....
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06-09-2009, 11:22 PM
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Back on Topic guys.....Brian I know you aren't listening to these clowns who are hating the look. Your car is one of a few that has transformed into a whole level above the rest. Keep it up and knowing you, a new set of rims are on orded by winter. You need your winter set, right?
BTW JJaber, he doesn't believe in ricer theories....
06-10-2009, 12:00 AM
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I don't know what you're arguing...tires weren't designed to be stretched, sidewalls were designed like they are for a reason. You can argue it all you want with your ricer theories, but facts are facts. Its simply a fad that has spread from the Vdub world to other car forums. The "car scene" that you speak of is full of retards with more money than brains, I learned that pretty early in life when I used to go to HIN and shake my head at some of the things people did to their cars.
As far as the spacers go, I can feel a lot of changes in my car because I take the same road to get home everyday and i'm not easy on that road. The front track of the TL is obviously wider for a reason I'm sure the handling difference wouldn't have been as noticeable if I spaced out the front, but I only did the rear, and it was like night and day. I have 245/35R19 FK452's and i'm riding on Tein SS coilovers (12F/10R) with a comptech RSB, my car can take some pretty brutal turns before it even attemps to break loose. Spacers just made hard turns sloppy....
As far as the spacers go, I can feel a lot of changes in my car because I take the same road to get home everyday and i'm not easy on that road. The front track of the TL is obviously wider for a reason
I'm sure the handling difference wouldn't have been as noticeable if I spaced out the front, but I only did the rear, and it was like night and day. I have 245/35R19 FK452's and i'm riding on Tein SS coilovers (12F/10R) with a comptech RSB, my car can take some pretty brutal turns before it even attemps to break loose. Spacers just made hard turns sloppy....Is every mod on your car function>form? Are your coilovers corner balanced and is the car set at the level for optimal handling at that height? Does running big wheels like yours help performance? The unsprung weight and rolling resistance of bigger wheels is actually quite detrimental to all aspects of performance btw. My point is that not everything needs to be function>form, If that were the case, you should have some 255 or 265 tires and some lightweight 17s. How is running stretched tires any different from running oversized wheels or a suspension that isn't properly tuned for optimal handling? It's for looks much like the two mods I just mentioned are, so saying stretching tires is retarded and a stupid fad really doesn't make much sense, since the same could be applied to any other mod people do to their cars.
And it makes me feel really good that you're tearing up the road on your drive home like it's a racetrack. Take it to a road course if you want to do that, public roads aren't a car playground