JayVee's 3G TL
02-10-2014, 09:40 PM
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02-11-2014, 09:17 AM
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well...it was. Now things are slowing down and I had to cancel a 2 week wait time at the shop to get my LTH & X pipe installed. 
All because of tuning. My tuner at AED/Shaun wants me to return the car back to stock including the stock air box and remove the BAMA tune that is downloaded. At that point he wants me to data log the car open road and wot so he is able to take that info and send me a baseline tune removing the BAMA. After my mods are installed, he then will need another data log of the car sent to him in return, will final tweek the baseline stock to to reflect the mods installed. One more data log may need to be done just to make sure everything is running at its full peak. This tuning crap is a PITA! Now I see what BOOSTED guys go through. And they go through A LOT! more headaches then this.
All because of tuning. My tuner at AED/Shaun wants me to return the car back to stock including the stock air box and remove the BAMA tune that is downloaded. At that point he wants me to data log the car open road and wot so he is able to take that info and send me a baseline tune removing the BAMA. After my mods are installed, he then will need another data log of the car sent to him in return, will final tweek the baseline stock to to reflect the mods installed. One more data log may need to be done just to make sure everything is running at its full peak. This tuning crap is a PITA! Now I see what BOOSTED guys go through. And they go through A LOT! more headaches then this.
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02-11-2014, 09:46 AM
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as for installing the LTH & X pipe...sorta kinda. I always at the shop and have some sort of hands on. Same shop I was always at working on the TL. As for tuners, this is the man when it comes to mail order "Canned" Tunes. He was even recommended by a BIG TIME BIG DAWG Mustang Builder/tuner locally when it comes to "Canned" tunes on SCT devices. A actual DYNO tune is not needed or required and is known with a full bolt-on app as a waste of money. When crossing over to INDUCTION or NITROUS, that is when a DYNO tune is mandatory and required.
02-11-2014, 10:15 AM
#2570
U remove motor mounts, suspend the engine or secure it from falling slap out! remove steering rod shaft and like everything else. It minus well be a motor swap FO REALZ! 
So, OFF TO THE SHOP IT GOES FOR THAT JOB! No Brainer!
02-11-2014, 01:02 PM
#2572
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How much better will the tune be after going through all that trouble? I'd rather take the car to the tuner and have him adjust everything while it's on the dyno. Justin @ VMP tuned my Cobra on his portable dyno at a Mustang meet. I had the car on the dyno a few other times since then and all the tuners said it was a solid tune. It just seems like a waste to return it to stock to get a baseline and then reinstall everything for the tune. Throw all the parts on and then datalog it.
02-12-2014, 02:14 AM
#2574
How much better will the tune be after going through all that trouble? I'd rather take the car to the tuner and have him adjust everything while it's on the dyno. Justin @ VMP tuned my Cobra on his portable dyno at a Mustang meet. I had the car on the dyno a few other times since then and all the tuners said it was a solid tune. It just seems like a waste to return it to stock to get a baseline and then reinstall everything for the tune. Throw all the parts on and then datalog it.
The reason why this was needed from AED is because of the BAMA tune. There is too much negative things going on or have gone on about their tunes being to aggressive on the timing or Knock Sensor issues. So Shaun is requesting this making sure before he takes the job, the motor is not in jeopardy in any way so there is no pre-existing liability he takes on or the finger pointed at him on a later date. After talking to Shaun, I then understood why which I didn't and the issue was rather frustrating...just like u asked Adam.
I decided to do away with BAMA not from all the threads and haters out there but when I was talking to Collin at RACING INTEGRATION, he confirmed the feeling about BAMA. Collin is one of the top builders and tuners in the immediate Tampa area and is well known to have some of the sickest Street Mustangs. And when Collin said last week to me BAMA is garbage! I was really concerned at this point. He expressed their tuning methods and things that can be "UN SAFE" for these advanced Coyote engines. He went on telling me a Dyno tune is not needed at all for a full Bolt-On build unless steeping to the dark side of Forced Induction or Nitrous. Then he finished off by saying when it comes to "Canned" tunes, look toward AED, that guy knows his shit!...Or Collin will dyno tune it if I wanted to throw $500 away.
So, in the end, I bet it will be all worth the frustration, confusion and delay.
Hope this also sets you guys clear with a better understanding of my tuning dilemma. 
BTW, Not for nothing, but when I removed the BAMA tune last night, WOW!!! what a difference is feel and comfort. The car is 100% more comfortable and smoother. The guy that rode with me to data log everything said the same thing when he removed the BAMA tune and when he went with AED after having several recorded data logs knocks and pulling timing way more then what was needed, he went with AED and said their tune feels smooth just like stock...until you hit the throttle
and last, ITS SAFE! I personally don't have $7-9 Grand for a new Coyote 5.0 engine.
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02-12-2014, 02:40 AM
#2575
besides Tuning or DATA LOGGING last night, Gabe (TCToyz) and I managed to finally install the final pc of the BOSS 302 front end. Just added the BOSS 302 Splitter to the fascia itself completing the Boss 302 look to the front of my Coyote GT. ~ Looks so MEAN from the front!
02-12-2014, 07:38 AM
#2578
Well, I wasn't "concerned" per se...it's your car and your headache, you just made it sound like it was going to be a LOT more work than it ended up being. I can understand the guy
wanting to not take on the liability of a previous tune though, that makes sense. Long as you're happy...
and what exactly does "being a rockstar" entail?
wanting to not take on the liability of a previous tune though, that makes sense. Long as you're happy...
and what exactly does "being a rockstar" entail?
02-12-2014, 07:57 AM
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Well, I wasn't "concerned" per se...it's your car and your headache, you just made it sound like it was going to be a LOT more work than it ended up being. I can understand the guy
wanting to not take on the liability of a previous tune though, that makes sense. Long as you're happy...
and what exactly does "being a rockstar" entail?
wanting to not take on the liability of a previous tune though, that makes sense. Long as you're happy...
and what exactly does "being a rockstar" entail?
U know I am just fkn with u. That was meant as our designated A~hole or smart ass position is already taken and fully invested. Therefore, we don't need another one.
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02-12-2014, 09:59 AM
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02-12-2014, 10:05 PM
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460 is approaching Stingray range!
02-12-2014, 10:32 PM
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^^^ that is what the engine makes...you put down around 410-415whp and wtq....
if he is aiming for 500whp, that will be more than the C7...however, in a drag race, the better driver will win AND on the track, the C7 will
if he is aiming for 500whp, that will be more than the C7...however, in a drag race, the better driver will win AND on the track, the C7 will
02-13-2014, 03:09 AM
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This is true. The 5.0 Coyote makes 420-ish TO THE CRANK! Which subtracting approx 15% in loss when speaking DYNO #s. So the thing was when Jeremy's friend claimed 485 TO THE WHEEL #s with Bolt-ons is off. With my FULL bolt on build I will be at 485ish... again, to the crank. Which like Steve and Anil said, it is hitting C7 #s since that is all reported by CRANK #s anyways by manufacture (C7)
02-13-2014, 06:41 AM
#2589
460, not 485. Honestly though, it's splitting hairs. That car is more than enough bone stock. The reason I don't think it's to the crank is because he didn't say it was AND because I think he got dyno tuned so the measurement would have likely be taken at hte wheels.
Doubt I'll hear back from him about his car...saw on FB something personal happened in his family and he didn't answer when I called last night.
Doubt I'll hear back from him about his car...saw on FB something personal happened in his family and he didn't answer when I called last night.
02-13-2014, 06:49 AM
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460, not 485. Honestly though, it's splitting hairs. That car is more than enough bone stock. The reason I don't think it's to the crank is because he didn't say it was AND because I think he got dyno tuned so the measurement would have likely be taken at hte wheels.
Doubt I'll hear back from him about his car...saw on FB something personal happened in his family and he didn't answer when I called last night.
Doubt I'll hear back from him about his car...saw on FB something personal happened in his family and he didn't answer when I called last night.
This is true. The 5.0 Coyote makes 420-ish TO THE CRANK! Which subtracting approx 15% in loss when speaking DYNO #s. So the thing was when Jeremy's friend claimed 465 TO THE WHEEL #s with Bolt-ons is off. With my FULL bolt on build I will be at 485ish... again, to the crank. Which like Steve and Anil said, it is hitting C7 #s since that is all reported by CRANK #s anyways by manufacture (C7)
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02-13-2014, 10:24 AM
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Yep, no way around that, man. I don't look forward to facing any of that any time soon with loved ones. 
I saw a non brembo, projector style 2012ish 5.0 at the light today, black and all, slightly lowered. I thought of you. Killer car.
I saw a non brembo, projector style 2012ish 5.0 at the light today, black and all, slightly lowered. I thought of you. Killer car.
02-13-2014, 10:09 PM
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Whatever goes to the wheels, it will be great!
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umm...462.5687363454 gets my vote
02-14-2014, 11:29 PM
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Hello jayvee. I just went thru the last 5 pages on this thread and sorry what happened
to the coyote 5.0 but it looks like everything worked out in the end.
Congrats on the GT 5.0, Like the black color. I'm not to familiar with the new gen
mustang/retro late 60's look, but do like the looks 012's and newer mustangs.
A few pages back you mention you used to have a (notch) meaning a mustang right
If so what yr you had? the reason I'm asking, I used have a 91 hatchback black on
black interior which was a hard to find color. But black interior was hard to find for
fox bodied car.
My 91 hatch I had, I was just going to do a couple of mods to it (we know how that
goes). Man I'll tell you! I went crazy with that car.
My mods I did.
Full griggs street suspension (front tubular k-member increased my wheel base 1''
and tubular front a arms with koni yellow coilovers).
Rear panhard adj bar and torque arm and konis in back also had the rear torque
boxes welded for added strength.
I had inner and outer subframe connectors all welded in.
A 6 point roller bar put in custom bend from the loop to the front doors floor
easy to get in and out.
bear brakes 13/12's
Heads, cam and intake. It was a cobra intake xtruded honed and fully polish.
auto meter gauges, racing seats.
Real cobra wheels powder coated grey with yokohama 032R tires.
And extra fab work.
The alignment I had done coast 400 they weighted the car to do the alignment.
all this was done 1999. I do have pic's of that mustang. I just gotta find a way
to put them on my laptop. So I'll be checking your GT from time to time.
Have fun
to the coyote 5.0 but it looks like everything worked out in the end.
Congrats on the GT 5.0, Like the black color. I'm not to familiar with the new gen
mustang/retro late 60's look, but do like the looks 012's and newer mustangs.
A few pages back you mention you used to have a (notch) meaning a mustang right
If so what yr you had? the reason I'm asking, I used have a 91 hatchback black on
black interior which was a hard to find color. But black interior was hard to find for
fox bodied car.
My 91 hatch I had, I was just going to do a couple of mods to it (we know how that
goes). Man I'll tell you! I went crazy with that car.
My mods I did.
Full griggs street suspension (front tubular k-member increased my wheel base 1''
and tubular front a arms with koni yellow coilovers).
Rear panhard adj bar and torque arm and konis in back also had the rear torque
boxes welded for added strength.
I had inner and outer subframe connectors all welded in.
A 6 point roller bar put in custom bend from the loop to the front doors floor
easy to get in and out.
bear brakes 13/12's
Heads, cam and intake. It was a cobra intake xtruded honed and fully polish.
auto meter gauges, racing seats.
Real cobra wheels powder coated grey with yokohama 032R tires.
And extra fab work.
The alignment I had done coast 400 they weighted the car to do the alignment.
all this was done 1999. I do have pic's of that mustang. I just gotta find a way
to put them on my laptop. So I'll be checking your GT from time to time.
Have fun
02-15-2014, 01:55 PM
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^^Yeah RS143 the fox bodied mustang yrs 79-93 were the rage,especially the
87-93 yrs. I forgot to mention,I had full exhaust. 5 lug conversion sn95 spindals.
and 5 lug axles/355 gears.Front fender work for the increase wheel base and
I can't remember a bunch of other fab work. That care handled like a ra%#&p
date. Sorry JayVee I'm not hear to HIGHJACK your thread. Just reminiscing.
87-93 yrs. I forgot to mention,I had full exhaust. 5 lug conversion sn95 spindals.
and 5 lug axles/355 gears.Front fender work for the increase wheel base and
I can't remember a bunch of other fab work. That care handled like a ra%#&p
date. Sorry JayVee I'm not hear to HIGHJACK your thread. Just reminiscing.